dublin should be burned down.

allmixedup

this city is a ****hole full of scumbags who should be shot, the match today is a perfect example. one poxy pointless game of boggerball is enough reason to justify the loutish scumbag behaviour by these so called "fans" who also always make it out to celtic games.
pissing on streets, throwing glasses at random buses going by, jumping on car bonnets. fighting on the roads. what happened today wasnt celebrations it was hoolaganism. certain stands should be only available for the cross section of people who behave like this and burned down, we'll identify the bodies by the sovereigns and gold chains,
rant over - backlash begins

SpAcEd OuT

bye now

Volvoboy

SHUT THE F**K UP

Its dublin, get over it, nothing that happend today as you described would be the 'Norm' at temple bar at 3am am on a saturday night!

Riamfada

I understand and agree with your point, to an extent but I do think you could have expressed yourself a little more eloquently (and coming from me thats saying something )

Hal1

Let the napalm carpet boming comence... :rolleyes:

Ruu_Old

Good grief, I wouldn't be the biggest fan of Dublin but theres a fierce amount of hate in that post there OP. :eek:

DonkeyStyle \o/

allmixedup wrote:

this city is a ****hole full of scumbags who should be shot,

Yeah, but we're not allowed to shoot people or orchestrate acts of genocide, no matter how hilarious.
Any other suggestions?
Gold hoopy earrings that make people sterile?

Dub13

Allmixedup Banned for a week,you have some issues you need to deal with.

dubtom

Dub13 wrote:

Allmixedup Banned for a week,you have some issues you need to deal with.

Wow,seems you have some issues too.

fitzyfitzboobs

Holy crap thats a lot of anger, I wouldnt think dublin is the best place on earth but bombing it off the face of the earth isnt the answer either - maybe just cut it out of ireland and replace it with a tropical island full of topless beauties, happy days.

Dub13

dubtom wrote:

Wow,seems you have some issues too.

1)He is Trolling.

2)He insulted everybody who was at the match (80,000 plus people),Celtic fans,all GAA fans thats a lot of people.

3)He suggested people be burned and "identify the bodies by the sovereigns and gold chains".

4)He is only banned for a week.

BendiBus

I walked along the boardwalk on Eden Quay on the way to work this morning and felt angry at the absolutely disgusting amount of empty beer cans, vodka bottles, McDonalds wrappers etc. It was knee-deep.

I wouldn't burn down Dublin however. My preference would be a snipers rifle and a position on top of O'Connell Bridge House. Selective culling is more effective (and more satisfying)

Kimbot

dubtom wrote:

Wow,seems you have some issues too.

In all fairness I agree with the mod on this one!! My son and my mother were at the game yesterday and the OP basically insulted them with his post!!

r3nu4l

dubtom wrote:

Wow,seems you have some issues too.

Punishment seemed fair enough to me, on other forums he would probably be banned for good!

I think that the general tomfoolery (euphamism for scumbaggery) seen after some matches is unfortunately typical of a certain element of society and to be honest is also seen in other towns and cities across Ireland albeit on a smaller scale by virtue of demographics.

There is very little that can be done with these people as they do not see that society has a right to expect better vehaviour of them and their inevitable response to such expectations is somewhere in the region of "F*** you!". Modern life I'm afraid.

The vast majority of fans are well behaved, a (somewhat imperfct)solution to the problems seen yesterday would be to ban certain people from receiving match tickets in future.

super_furry

If anything a week is too leniant.

peepingtom

i think he has a valid point (in a fashion)..... people over here are always going on about football hooliganism by english football fans ..... GA fans are no different (well maybe slightly ) .... obviously its the minority in both cases let me stress.

I have been living over here for 6 years now, and over the last years i have noticed increasing levels of anti-social behaviour (not just in the media, but things i have seen for myself), especially in the city centre, and more so on match days when dublin are playing. Once you get a few scumbags together + beer = trouble.

Let the cull begin!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Inclined to agree with the OP in principle but not in intensity.

Having spent the last two weeks in Northern Germany, in a very peaceful and clean environment. Coming back, I can't help but notice litter everywhere and smell the gas fumes in the city everywhere. Even on the outskirts.

I was in a pub the night Germany finished third. The celebrated as if they'd won the damn thing. One guy threw a bottle of beer into the ground and was quickly given out to by three other fans in their early twenties. At 11am the next monring, the place was spotless.

Dubliners, I am sorry, do not respect this city. They might respect it's GAA team, but not it's city.

SHUT THE F**K UP

Its dublin, get over it, nothing that happend today as you described would be the 'Norm' at temple bar at 3am am on a saturday night!

Why?

Saruman

as above... I would not burn down Dublin.. thats stupid! I wish the type of people he is talking about though did not exist.. Still its the same in every major city on the planet.. There will always be some element of society that are pretty much scum.

Dublin itself is a great city... infrastructure could be better but its not the worst either. It is after all a medievil city so we cant complain about the narrow streets. There should however be no reason to have so many cars in the city centre. We need better public transport and a higher density population living in the city centre.. in other words we need skyscrapers.... build them down the docklands area as is happening now.

lightening

Dublin is a great city, ask ANY tourist that visits. You need to do stuff to enjoy it though. Sitting on your couch pissing and moaning wont get you anywhere.

Go sailing in Dublin bay.

Climb the Sugarloaf, its only a hill.

Walk the full lenght of the Bull Wall.

Order chicken wings in Elephant and Castle.

Go to the botanical gardens.

Book Surfing lessons in Sligo or Donegal if you really need to get out of the city.

Shoot the sluice rappids on the river Liffey in a canoe.

Go to the Zoo.

Do the Kilmainham Gaol tour.

Go and see the bogmen in the museum.

Go to the National Art Gallery.

Take a trip to Irelands Eye.

Do the hop on hop off bus trip.

Go to a restaurant.

r3nu4l

Nice post!

Great to see some really positive things said about Dublin. HEre's a couple more, could go on for ages.

Walk the pier at Dun Laoghaire

Walk the pier at Howth (on your wayt o see Irelands eye )

Walk around Howth Head


Despite all the problems Dublin has, everytime I fly in from Stanstead I look over the city and feel relief and happiness to be home for a few days. I love it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

lightening wrote:

Dublin is a great city, ask ANY tourist that visits. You need to do stuff to enjoy it though. Sitting on your couch pissing and moaning wont get you anywhere.

Go sailing in Dublin bay.

Climb the Sugarloaf, its only a hill.

Walk the full lenght of the Bull Wall.

Order chicken wings in Elephant and Castle.

Go to the botanical gardens.

Book Surfing lessons in Sligo or Donegal if you really need to get out of the city.

Shoot the sluice rappids on the river Liffey in a canoe.

Go to the Zoo.

Do the Kilmainham Gaol tour.

Go and see the bogmen in the museum.

Go to the National Art Gallery.

Take a trip to Irelands Eye.

Do the hop on hop off bus trip.

Go to a restaurant.

Now the problem there is that every city has something similar. That said, I'm not doubing that Dublin has a lot of possibilities (but could do with some more varied nightlife!) However, it's the people that live here that is the point. We might love the city but, as I said earlier, disrespecting it or taking it for granted seems to be a positive characteristic around here.

r3nu4l

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Now the problem there is that every city has something similar. That said, I'm not doubing that Dublin has a lot of possibilities (but could do with some more varied nightlife!) However, it's the people that live here that is the point. We might love the city but, as I said earlier, disrespecting it or taking it for granted seems to be a positive characteristic around here.

I think the point was just that not everything about Dublin is negative, I don't think he was denying the existence of problems.

I go to fantastic places for my holidays but I'm sure in those cities and towns there are forum boards giving out about the impact of scumbags on the local community. Unfortunately there are scumbags everywhere but to post a hugely negative thread saying the city should be burnt down was a bit stupid. I don't want my parents house burnt down out in Lucan just because some lout jumps on a car bonnet and starts a scrap in Drumcondra :eek:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

r3nu4l wrote:

I don't want my parents house burnt down out in Lucan just because some lout jumps on a car bonnet and starts a scrap in Drumcondra :eek:

I'll assume that's meant for the OP rather than me...?!

lightening

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Now the problem there is that every city has something similar. That said, I'm not doubing that Dublin has a lot of possibilities (but could do with some more varied nightlife!) However, it's the people that live here that is the point. We might love the city but, as I said earlier, disrespecting it or taking it for granted seems to be a positive characteristic around here.

Not all cities have what Dublin has. No other city in the world has Dublin Bay;) Not many cities have beaches 4 miles from the city centre, two wildlife sanctuarys, a mountain range beside it. These ameneties offer a huge huge range of adventure sports and activities, kite surfing on Dollymount for one, mountain biking in Wicklow for another.

Go for lunch in Temple Bar on a Saturday morning, the atmosphere is great. Maybe you are hanging around places where a lot of scumbags hang around. Maybe you should start doing different things to appreciate the city. I never ever see scumbags in Ho Sen, the so cheap Vietnam restaurant beside the central bank, or in the national museum.

I avoid the boardwalk because I believe it is full of scumbags, let them have it... I get to annoyed when I see them.

Please, dont go Dublin bashing if you have not tried at least five of the things I have listed. Sitting at home watching TV and bitching about where you live is no use. You need to take advantage of what is around you.

irlirishkev

I've lived in the City Centre for the last few years, and my walk home from the pub usually means going up O'Connell St. I generally never see any problems.

Last night however, I was walking along Westmoreland St, heading northbound, and there was a gang of Dublin fans, kicking the living snot out of eachother, outside (surprise surprise) Abrakababra. Girls and guys involved, all in Dublin jerseys, and no sign of the Laois colours. Fighting amongst themselves. So much for team spirit.

Walking up O'Connell St. then, was pretty much more of the same. Fighting, and general uneasiness. I got repeatedly eyeballed by p*ssed up Dublin fans, staggering accross the pavement, many of whom were dropping rubbish on the ground and shouting at passers by.

What was special about yesterday? Why did so many people feel the need to be such dirty scumbags? Genuine question.

K.

r3nu4l

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

I'll assume that's meant for the OP rather than me...?!

that last bit was meant for the OP, yeah, should have been more clear.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

lightening wrote:

Not all cities have what Dublin has. No other city in the world has Dublin Bay;) Not many cities have beaches 4 miles from the city centre, two wildlife sanctuarys, a mountain range beside it. These ameneties offer a huge huge range of adventure sports and activities, kite surfing on Dollymount for one, mountain biking in Wicklow for another.

Go for lunch in Temple Bar on a Saturday morning, the atmosphere is great. Maybe you are hanging around places where a lot of scumbags hang around. Maybe you should start doing different things to appreciate the city. I never ever see scumbags in Ho Sen, the so cheap Vietnam restaurant beside the central bank, or in the national museum.

I avoid the boardwalk because I believe it is full of scumbags, let them have it... I get to annoyed when I see them.

Please, dont go Dublin bashing if you have not tried at least five of the things I have listed. Sitting at home watching TV and bitching about where you live is no use. You need to take advantage of what is around you.

I've done virtually everthing on that list, repeatedly. Why do you assume I just sit around watching tv and moaning...? Have you any evidence to support this?

I spend most of my time travelling. I've been in 19 different countries and God knows how many cities. And even Paris managed to put together a beach. AND IT WAS CLEAN.

monosharp

Not that i don't like Dublin, but what i've found about it is that it might as well be located in the midlands in England. Apart from the accent and the traffic signs theres very little/no difference between Dublin and an English City. Met English girls before when i was in Dublin who couldn't believe how similiar it was, and how different it was in comparison to the rest of the country. (Cork, Galway etc).

Not that its a bad thing, its just i find it a little uncomfortable. Theres very little "Irishness" to Dublin.

Saruman

monosharp wrote:

Not that i don't like Dublin, but what i've found about it is that it might as well be located in the midlands in England. Apart from the accent and the traffic signs theres very little/no difference between Dublin and an English City. Met English girls before when i was in Dublin who couldn't believe how similiar it was, and how different it was in comparison to the rest of the country. (Cork, Galway etc).

Not that its a bad thing, its just i find it a little uncomfortable. Theres very little "Irishness" to Dublin.

Well most of the city was built in English times.. there are plenty if IRISH things though.. Irish signs, Temple bar has lots of Irishness... Love or hate Carrolls its very Irish


Dublin as was mentioned before has one of the best locations of any city in the world!! Few cities, like maybe Sydney for one has a better bay location for sailing etc with islands. Few major cities also have mountains within a few minutes drive (depending on traffic).
No major city in the world has a park as big as a Phoenix park!! (makes NY central park look like a back yard!).

Im often surprised when i go somewhere else like Paris or Prague how much Graffiti is everywhere.. beautiful buildings destroyed with it... barely an inch of free space anywhere... Dublin has very little compared to most major cities i have been to.

Dublin is a great city as i have said... and only a SMALL minority of people spoil it.

lightening

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

I've done virtually everthing on that list, repeatedly. Why do you assume I just sit around watching tv and moaning...? Have you any evidence to support this?

I spend most of my time travelling. I've been in 19 different countries and God knows how many cities. And even Paris managed to put together a beach. AND IT WAS CLEAN.

I dont have any evidence that you sit around watching TV, Its just that if you do all the activities above and experienced them how could you not like Dublin?

How could you turn around and say "in the city I live in i frequently sail on yachts in the bay, mountain bike in stunning beauty, walk in wildlife sanctuarys, eat in amazing restaurants, immerse myself in culture in some of the worlds best museums and art gallerys, kite surf on the beaches camp overnight on deserted islands drinking wine around an open fire with my freinds and sometimes I canoe on one of the worlds biggest marathon river on the calender...." And then say you dont like it.


Indeed, I also have visited many countrys (a lot more than 19) and trust me, there is scumbags in every single one of them Ikky poo. You just dont see them because you are in the tourist areas of these city.

Most Dubliners respect their city, your just caught up concentrating on the minority few who dont, they are in Athlone, Galway, Limerick, Cork, Paris, Saigon... everywhere.

DonkeyStyle \o/

<snip lol - doh>

tbh I like Dublin, I just hate about one in every two people here.

lightening

move out. If you live in a place where you acutally HATE half the people on your road, on the dart, on buses, you have to move out. You have a problem there, it will eat you up, no job or lifestyle is worth that.

lightening

monosharp wrote:

Not that i don't like Dublin, but what i've found about it is that it might as well be located in the midlands in England. Apart from the accent and the traffic signs theres very little/no difference between Dublin and an English City. Met English girls before when i was in Dublin who couldn't believe how similiar it was, and how different it was in comparison to the rest of the country. (Cork, Galway etc).

Not that its a bad thing, its just i find it a little uncomfortable. Theres very little "Irishness" to Dublin.

Good point. I get the same reaction when English people sail in Royal Cork Yacht club, they just cant get over the Britishness of the whole area. Its just one of those things, they left a bit legacy...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

lightening wrote:

I dont have any evidence that you sit around watching TV, Its just that if you do all the activities above and experienced them how could you not like Dublin?

How could you turn around and say "in the city I live in i frequently sail on yachts in the bay, mountain bike in stunning beauty, walk in wildlife sanctuarys, eat in amazing restaurants, immerse myself in culture in some of the worlds best museums and art gallerys, kite surf on the beaches camp overnight on deserted islands drinking wine around an open fire with my freinds and sometimes I canoe on one of the worlds biggest marathon river on the calender...." And then say you dont like it.


Indeed, I also have visited many countrys (a lot more than 19) and trust me, there is scumbags in every single one of them Ikky poo. You just dont see them because you are in the tourist areas of these city.

Most Dubliners respect their city, your just caught up concentrating on the minority few who dont, they are in Athlone, Galway, Limerick, Cork, Paris, Saigon... everywhere.

Not getting caught up in the what-to-do-in-Dublin debate, because I agree with you.

The issue is respect. It's the people who think they've got the right to drive everywhere, pollute everything and delay everyone else. You can smell the gasoline in the air and we either ignore it ot accept it. Why? It's the attitude you get from bars and restaraunts. And the prices. It's the people who throw they're bigmac wrappers into an overcrowded bin (and while on the subject, why can't we arrange to empty the damn things?) and they're half-full pint glasses by the wall of Brown Thomas, still visible the next morning. And we think this is a positive - sure he hada good night out, didn't he? They come from all walks of life. There is a much higher level of disrespect for the city and it's people from the city and it's NOT limitied to 'scumbags'.

Dublin has the potential to be the best city in the world. No denying it. Geographically, as has been pointed out, we're in a perfect position. But the people make the city and that's what's lacking. ANd burying your head in the sand won't help.

Anotehr thing I loved about foreign cities is the ability to get around without having to invest in a car and add to the smell and the grime.

lightening

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Not getting caught up in the what-to-do-in-Dublin debate, because I agree with you.

The issue is respect. It's the people who think they've got the right to drive everywhere, pollute everything and delay everyone else. You can smell the gasoline in the air and we either ignore it ot accept it. Why? It's the attitude you get from bars and restaraunts. And the prices. It's the people who throw they're bigmac wrappers into an overcrowded bin (and while on the subject, why can't we arrange to empty the damn things?) and they're half-full pint glasses by the wall of Brown Thomas, still visible the next morning. And we think this is a positive - sure he hada good night out, didn't he? They come from all walks of life. There is a much higher level of disrespect for the city and it's people from the city and it's NOT limitied to 'scumbags'.

Dublin has the potential to be the best city in the world. No denying it. Geographically, as has been pointed out, we're in a perfect position. But the people make the city and that's what's lacking. ANd burying your head in the sand won't help.

Anotehr thing I loved about foreign cities is the ability to get around without having to invest in a car and add to the smell and the grime.

Well, I just don't get it, its a city, there is always going to be grime, dust and pollution, traffic, building and undesirable people. I really think city life just doesn't suit you?

I find the people friendly, my neighbours are all very nice, I lived in the inner city for 11 years, fantastic neighbours. I find the pubs friendly and I find restaurants and shops that are reasonably priced.

I recently walked in to a country pub and got stared out of it by everyone in the pub, people would not move out of my way to get to the bar, people were sneering at the girl I was with... not a good time, give me a packed Dublin bar any day.

DonkeyStyle \o/

lightening wrote:

I recently walked in to a country pub and got stared out of it by everyone in the pub

They were probably waiting expectantly for you to say hello and introduce yourself.
You should have given them some of the oul Dublin charm - "warra you bleedin lookin ah?!"
Where abouts in the country did this happen by the way?
Group-sneering sounds like great craic altogether, I might move there.

lightening

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote:

You should have given them some of the oul Dublin charm - "warra you bleedin lookin ah?!"

Yeah!! "yes mad muckers" That would have gone down a treat....

I did say hello to the nearest guy, he just smiled at his mate and shook his head. It was in Tuam in Galway...

r3nu4l

monosharp wrote:

Not that i don't like Dublin, but what i've found about it is that it might as well be located in the midlands in England. Apart from the accent and the traffic signs theres very little/no difference between Dublin and an English City. Met English girls before when i was in Dublin who couldn't believe how similiar it was, and how different it was in comparison to the rest of the country. (Cork, Galway etc).

Not that its a bad thing, its just i find it a little uncomfortable. Theres very little "Irishness" to Dublin.

Well as someone who has worked in London and lives in Cambridge I can tell you that is absolute rubbish. There is a huge distinction between Dublin and UK cities. They are nothing alike. Even some of the D4 heads who try to adopt many British principles fail as the differences are so great. A friend of mine from Kildare visited me last year and without any prompting from me he remarked that there was a vast difference but that it was so subtle that he couldn't put his finger on it. I'm the same, I don't know what the difference is but it's obvious to any Irish person. There is plenty of Irishness in Dublin, you just have to know where to look for it. Irish bar staff for example are very different to British. In Britain they don't care how many people are gasping for a pint, they still take one order at a time and pour one drink at a time. That's one difference right there.

DonkeyStyle \o/

lightening wrote:

I really think city life just doesn't suit you?

Now I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I do relate to it... I don't think it's so much the people themselves personally that I hate, it's more the fact that there are so many of them and they're everywhere I go, right up in my face, making noise I don't want to hear, making smells I don't want to smell, inflicting themselves on me and invading my personal space... as I'm sure I invade theirs.
I think most people get over this by 'tuning out' the crowds and the noise, which I do aswell, but I all too often find myself tuning back in and getting irritated by it all.

Especially after I've spent a few weeks in the back arse of nowhere.
When you get back to Dublin, you realize that there's nowhere outdoors you can get near 100% silence, there's always something in the distance... the ambient hum of traffic or general people-noise... or if, like me, you live within 10 miles of the airport - forget about it.
Near 100% darkness is another one... which I never notice until I leave Dublin... all the light pollution, the orange sky at night when it's cloudy, not being able to see the stars.
And fresh air is another one... not even in the middle of the Phoenix park or the Botanic gardens do I feel like I'm really breathing fresh air the likes of which I'd get in some field in Kerry.

But that's city life and sure where would we be without it... I'm sure my MP3 player or LCD monitor were made in a city somewhere in the world... it's great for the economy and wonderful to have so many facilities within easy reach... so I'm really a hypocrite... I want to have my cake and eat it... but fúck it... nobody says you have to love the negetive aspects of an overall positive thing... I'm Irish and I'll moan all I bloody well like.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

lightening wrote:

Well, I just don't get it, its a city, there is always going to be grime, dust and pollution, traffic, building and undesirable people. I really think city life just doesn't suit you?

I find the people friendly, my neighbours are all very nice, I lived in the inner city for 11 years, fantastic neighbours. I find the pubs friendly and I find restaurants and shops that are reasonably priced.

I recently walked in to a country pub and got stared out of it by everyone in the pub, people would not move out of my way to get to the bar, people were sneering at the girl I was with... not a good time, give me a packed Dublin bar any day.

Copenhagen, Stockholm, Bremen ... all much cleaner than Dublin and roughly the same size. I like city life when the city is clean and well run.

A packed Dublin bar will do occasionally. Give me a nice well run spacious Parisienne coffee-bar by the Seine ahead of a bucnh yobs seeing how much alcohol they can pour into themselves in as short a space aspossible.

lightening

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Copenhagen, Stockholm, Bremen ... all much cleaner than Dublin and roughly the same size. I like city life when the city is clean and well run.

Move there. You wont get as good an atmosphere as Dublin, but you will get the daily efficiency and clinical atmosphere you seem to yearn. There are spacious well run cafes in Dublin, usuall full of Italians and French people. Check out the Italian quater, lovely cafes there.

Have you seen the prostitutes and drug dealers along the Seine at night?

lightening

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote:

... I want to have my cake and eat it... but fúck it... nobody says you have to love the negetive aspects of an overall positive thing... I'm Irish and I'll moan all I bloody well like.

Your not really, you seem to make the most of Dublin and get out when you feel like it... just like me.

Have you taken a trip out to Irelands eye? I think you would love the solitude.

DonkeyStyle \o/

lightening wrote:

Yeah!! "yes mad muckers" That would have gone down a treat....

You never know unless you try it.
Throw in "de bleedin head on ye!" for good measure.

lightening wrote:

I did say hello to the nearest guy, he just smiled at his mate and shook his head.

That's classic... I wonder what was going on inside his head.
I must run this one by some of my country pals, see what they make of it.
Maybe it was some oul fella pub or it's just the same 20 regulars every single night.... hmmm.

lightening

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote:

Maybe it was some oul fella pub or it's just the same 20 regulars every single night.... hmmm.

It was. I had just finished a cross channel rowing race and was very beefed up and full of muscle... I reckon he thought I was some sort of gym going yuppie city sh*t head.

DonkeyStyle \o/

lightening wrote:

Have you taken a trip out to Irelands eye? I think you would love the solitude.

I've been there as a kid... but all I can recall of it now are the masses of ferns and some girl getting stung by a jellyfish. o_O
Must give it another look.

Getting away from it all once in a while is well and good, but it's the day-to-day bustle that grinds on my nerves... I'm like an anti-christ walking around town, people walking very very slowly infront of me, taking up the whole path... it's like a bloody obstacle course.
People with umbrellas poking you in the head... people slaming shopping bags into your legs... trying to trip you up with buggys... 20 people, each in their own car, preventing 40 pedestrians from crossing the road until they've passed... and choking them with fumes into the bargain.
All lovely people as individuals I'm sure, but collectively they're a total nuisance.
I'd prefer somewhere with a lower population density.

Pfff, listen to me go on... we have it so good compared to the war-torn and starving countries out there... isn't it wonderful that all we have to worry about is roudy drunk people smashing the place up... we can sleep soundly without fear of being hit with an air-strike or missile. (unless the OP has his way)
lol I'm such a malcontent, it's almost sickening... but that's a whole other thread for personal issues I think :eek:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

lightening wrote:

Move there. You wont get as good an atmosphere as Dublin, but you will get the daily efficiency and clinical atmosphere you seem to yearn. There are spacious well run cafes in Dublin, usuall full of Italians and French people. Check out the Italian quater, lovely cafes there.

Have you seen the prostitutes and drug dealers along the Seine at night?

I'm trying, believe me!! And yes you do get as good an atmousphere and friendliness. I've got an armful of German scarves from Bremen to prove it.

Sorry if efficiency and clenliness are things to strive for, but a guy's gotta have hisstandards

lightening

...so you going to move there then?

Collie D

lightening wrote:

Have you taken a trip out to Irelands eye? I think you would love the solitude.

How exactly do you get out there without your own boat? I go to Howth regularly, love walking on the seafront or the cliffs, trying to spot seals, having an ice=cream, great place to go, espacially when you're smashed. Always see the sign for motorboat to Howth but as far as I know the sign has been there for years and I've never actually seen the boat

Royale with Cheese

Been living in Cologne as a student since last October, coming home for good on Friday. I'm getting very depressed at that fact. Before I left I just wanted to live somewhere else for a while as I was bored with Dublin, but I never saw myself permanently living abroad. I missed Dublin a good bit in my first few months and really looked forward to trips home at Christmas etc. The idea of moving back now though really doesn't do anything for me. Suppose I was away long enough to break any attachment I had for the place.

r3nu4l

Collie D wrote:

How exactly do you get out there without your own boat?

This lot don't depart from Howth but do a trip that includes Ireland's eye.

I knew someone who went to DCU a few years ago and in 2004 they took a trip from Howth. I'm sure if you asked in any of the pubs or chippers they would know and failing that you could ask someone on the pier. Just be careful you don't get press-ganged into service on the high seas :eek:

lightening

r3nu4l wrote:

ThisI'm sure if you asked in any of the pubs or chippers they would know and failing that you could ask someone on the pier.

Initiative.... I love it. Collie D your gonna have to do a little bit of ground work.