Fantasy WSOP

Scotty #

There was a good bit of interest in this before so here goes.


The budget for each team is $30 million taken from this all time money list.

Rules:

1. Teams must consist of 12 players.
2. Teams must contain at least 4 European players.
3. Teams must contain at least 1 female player.
4. Teams must contain at least 2 players not on the all time money list.

Closing date for entry is 27th July. Posts edited after this date are disqualified!!
Points are awarded according to finishing position in the main event. 1st= 1 point, 33=33 points etc. Only players who finish in the money in the actual event are awarded points. Whoever's team has the least amount of points is the winner.


I don't know how accurate the money list (from Hendon mob) attached to this post is but it's the official one as far as this competition is concerned (Thanks ocallagh!!)

When submitting your team please include the value on the WSOP money list (if any) for each player and a Team total on the bottom. Also indicate who your European players are. Give your team a name.

There is a €50 wager on offer on this. Please CLEARLY state on the post WITH your team if you wish to be included in this or not. We'll sort out how the winner gets paid after the event. I think nearly everyone on here knows someone who knows someone so it shouldn't be too hard to get paid.

Leman_Russ

Well, this is interesting. I'll definately be into this!

here is my list. If there is anything wrong (or so blatently stupid that i deserve to be shot for) please say.

Greg Raymer $5,699,232
Doyle Brunson $4,468,779
Isabelle Mercier (f) $371,818
Mike 'The Mouth' Matusow $4,032,473
Dave 'Devilfish' Ulliott $3,656,166
Jeff 'Iceman' Lisandro $1,248,567
Chris Tsiprailidis (€) $2,023,660
John 'Large' Kabbaj (€) $1,231,580
Diego Cordovez $1,227,094
Max Stern $1,203,159
Ivan Donaghy (€)
Dave Masters
Total: $25,162,528

Final list.

Rnger

12 x randomers

Mr. Flibble

Scotty #, I presume if you picks finish out of the money they actually get points? perhaps all the same amount of points, one point more than the last player itm.
If not I pick Stu Ungar 12 times.

Scotty #

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Scotty #, I presume if you picks finish out of the money they actually get points? perhaps all the same amount of points, one point more than the last player itm.

Sure that wouldn't make any difference to the team placings. Would it?

Scotty #

Leman_Russ wrote:

Andrew Black (€) $N/A

Leman, Andy Black is indeed on the money list!!!

redzerdrog

Scotty # wrote:

Sure that wouldn't make any difference to the team placings. Would it?

If none of your picks finish in the money then you would win with the least amunt of points

shoutman

Its the team with the least amount of points that wins redzer.

Its so hard to cash in the WSOP I think it should be done the other way around. Whereby the team with the most points wins.

Im not sure if anybody has any ideas how many people are going to be paid this year but I think that the difference between the bubble and the first person out who was itm is at least five points.

ntlbell

Mike Sexton 2.9m

Mel Judah 2.5m

Layne Flack 3.4m

Ram Vaswani 2.4m

Howard Lederer 3.2m

Phil Ivey 6.1m

Phil Lakk 900k

Donnacha O'Dea 900k

Erik Lindgren 4.3m

Kathy Liebert 3.3m

Not on list

Ivan Donaghy

Daitho

Stick me down for the wager

MrPillowTalk

Need a new way to score it otherwise the team who gets no one in the money would win on 0 points, thats if Im reading it correctly.

I think the best way to score it is on the ammount of money won, i.e. you add up the prizes claimed by everyone in your team at the main event and team with highest dollar total wins.

shoutman

Its kinda silly posting up your team here, because obviously people are gonna go hmmmm he's a good one I'll stick him in, I think its a better idea if we were to pm our teams to one person and then once the closing date is passed post them up here to compare them all.

Scotty #

redzerdrog wrote:

If none of your picks finish in the money then you would win with the least amunt of points

Ahh c'mon now.


If people want to pm me their list I will post them just before the closing time. Make sure to be clear about the wager!!

Mr. Flibble

redzerdrog wrote:

If none of your picks finish in the money then you would win with the least amunt of points

Scotty # wrote:

Ahh c'mon now.

This is what I was trying to point out. Think the scoring must be rethought.

Scotty #

Mr. Flibble wrote:

This is what I was trying to point out. Think the scoring must be rethought.

Only players who finish in the money are eligable. Therefor any players outside the money (and their 0 points) are not counted.

If anyone can suggest a better points system let me know. If we give points for money it could be a bit unfair. eg. player a is 800th and gets $12,500 player b is 702nd and gets $12,500.

cardshark202

Points could be awarded like this: If player A finished 89th out of 1000 then he would get (1000-89) points. Simple really.

Mr. Flibble

Scotty # wrote:

Only players who finish in the money are eligable. Therefor any players outside the money (and their 0 points) are not counted.

If anyone can suggest a better points system let me know. If we give points for money it could be a bit unfair. eg. player a is 800th and gets $12,500 player b is 702nd and gets $12,500.

I wouldn't say its unfair, they both did equally well. Its not about postiton, its about money.

Does anyone know how many get paid? For examply, if 800 get paid then I suggest that the you get points based on your position like Scotty suggests but everybody out of the money gets 801 ponts.

rag2gar

RAG2GAR'S TEAM

4 European players

Ram Vaswani $2,378,257
Dave Colclough $1,970,081
Paul Jackson $991,819
John Kabajj $ 1,231,580

2 Non-Money-Listed-Players

Paul Leckey $182,437
Don Fagan $219,285

1 Female Player

Jennifer Harmen $1,628,204

5 Extra Players

Phil Ivey $6,921,691
Phil Hellmuth $7,234,546
Tony Bloom $1,414,681
Patrik Antonius $ 2,061,492
John Cernuto $3,711,248
$29,945,321


I'll take part in wager too...........

rag2gar

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Need a new way to score it otherwise the team who gets no one in the money would win on 0 points, thats if Im reading it correctly.

I think the best way to score it is on the ammount of money won, i.e. you add up the prizes claimed by everyone in your team at the main event and team with highest dollar total wins.

this sounds good and straight-forward

Atlas_IRL

pm would be better, you can set up a league on fult tilt poker, if someone wants to do that anyway, wont work for me for some reason

roryc

Here's mine (no stealing )

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shoutman

Where exactly does the all time list stop?
Like are you not supposed to have people who just havent cashed in the WSOP?

5starpool

shoutman wrote:

Where exactly does the all time list stop?
Like are you not supposed to have people who just havent cashed in the WSOP?

....

Scotty # wrote:

Teams must contain at least 2 players not on the all time money list.

Mr. Flibble

5starpool wrote:

....

I think he is referring to people who have just cashed this year - do their winnings get included in the total?

5starpool

Mr. Flibble wrote:

I think he is referring to people who have just cashed this year - do their winnings get included in the total?

well in that case if it is being updated all the time then we'd better do teams sooner rather than later!!!!

Nalced_irl

Not in wager, just for fun

FEMALE:
Jen Harman $1,628,204

EUROS:
Phil Lakk $882,417
Marcel Luske $2,784,729
Ram Vaswani $2,378,257
Carlos Mortensen $3,960,540

NOT IN MONEYLIST:
MrPillowTlk
Dave Masters

OTHERS:
Phil Ivey $6,921,691
Greg Raymer $5,699,232
Mike Matasow $4,032,473
Andy Bloch $1,169,948
Roy Brindley $486,422

TOTAL: $29,943,913

MrPillowTalk

So are we scoring it by the ammount of money cashed by your team or what? I dont really see the points thing working.

And whats the wager say $50 a man?

Duff Man Jr.

1 E Ram 'Crazy Horse' Vaswani 2,378,257.00
2 E Massimiliano Pescatori 828,174.00
3 E Patrik Antonius 1,831,290.00
4 E Carlos Mortensen 3,960,540.00

5 W Jennifer Harman 1,619,473.00

6 Dan Harrington 4,795,153.00
7 Ted Forrest 3,654,120.00
8 Gavin Smith 2,548,907.00
9 Todd Brunson 2,035,309.00
10 Michael 'The Grinder' Mizrachi 5,251,316.00

11 Dave O Callaghan
12 Dave Masters

28,902,539.00


I'll do the $50 bet if its done like the world cup sweepstakes via pokerstars, otherwise just for fun because it'll be too hard collect my money from everyone.:D

Scotty #

Ok, The winning team is the one who cashes the most!! Final rule change!!!!!

Scotty #

Scotty Nguyen $6,538,269
Mike Matusow $4,032,473
Eli Elesra $1,332,040
Liz Lieu $379,000 F.
Michael Mizrachi $5,251,316
Todd Brunson $2,095,309
Dave Ulliot $3,656,166
Ram Vaswani $2,378,257 €
Surindar Sunar $2,967,220 €
Barny Boatman $979,622 €
Oliver Boyce €
Norwich Fan Rob

Total= $29,609,672

I'm in for €50 too

Scotty #

The winning Team is the team with the highest cashout in the actual main event. Point system is scraped due to popular demand.

I put it here in big red letters because I can't edit the original post any more.

rag2gar

How are we going to sort out getting money together for the wager?

Scotty #

We'll sort it out after. Poker site tranfer, postal order, in person. Everyone in is a regular so if someone dosn't pay up they'll be named and shamed.

Only two days to go if your interested!!

redzerdrog

sounds like fun and count me in for the €50

Cyndy Violette $928,317 (F)

John Gale $2,189,273 (E)
Barney Boatman $979,622 (E)
Dave Colclough $1,970,081 (E)
Patrik Antonius $2,061,492 (E)

Phil Ivey $6,075,247
Phil Hellmuth jr $7,304,212
Allen Cunningham $4,592,376
Sam Farha $2,039,555
Jeff Madsen $1,401,881

Mr Pillowtalk
Norwich Fan Rob

Total= $29,542,056

Scotty #

shoutman wrote:

WSOP fantasy.
Layne Flack 3.4M
Phil Laak 880k
Josh Arieh 4.1m
Mike Matusow 4m
Dan Negreanu 8.2m
Sam Farha 1.6,
€Andy Black 2.1m
€Patrick Antonius 1.8m
€Juha Helpi 1.15m

Female Player
Jen Harman 1.6m

Total 28.83m

Non Listed Players

Sverre Sundbo
Dathio

I will enter in this 50 euro wager.

regards
Luke

Shoutmans Team

shoutman

Well so far its been alright, Layne Flack is flying. Andy Black has done well on day 1a too.

Patrick Antonius has been my only casualty thus far. When his AQ got runner runnered by Men the masters KQ, Men finished with trip kings.

I think only three of my picks have played so far.

Still 2/3 aint bad.

Actually Carlos Mortensen ended day 1a on about 4 or 5k if I remember correctly...

Still 2 and a half out of four aint disasterous.

shoutman

John Phan raises pre-flop, and he is called by Joe Berry and Sam Farha. The flop comes 964, Phan raises, Berry calls, and Farha re-raises. Phan folds and Berry smooth calls. The turn brings another 6, and once again, Farha bets into Berry who just calls. The river brings a 10, and Farha moves all-in. Berry calls and Farha flips over pocket 9s for a full house. Berry shows pocket 6s, and Farha can't believe his opponent turned quads against his top set. Farha is eliminated.

2 of my team gone now.

redzerdrog

nearly all my team gone!

shoutman

Daithio is another goner, all my team have gone out on bad beats....

Jen Harman is gone too, so thats four of me team out....

Daniel Negranu looks to be motoring though.

shoutman

Another one bites the dust.
At the ESPN featured table, Mike "The Mouth" Matusow calls all in on for approximately $10,000 on a flop of 9d4d7s, after heavy preflop betting. Both players flip up their hands, Matusow with 7h7c and his opponent with KdJ.d The Ah falls on the turn, and Matusow now has to dodge only a diamond or he will double up. The river brings the 3d, and a very dejected Mouth is sent to the rail.

I'm not sure of his opponents chip stack, i'm not even sure if that would justify calling 10k all in on a flush draw...

And that is five of my twelve gone....

rag2gar

Scotty # wrote:

Scotty Nguyen $6,538,269
Mike Matusow $4,032,473
Eli Elesra $1,332,040
Liz Lieu $379,000 F.
Michael Mizrachi $5,251,316
Todd Brunson $2,095,309
Dave Ulliot $3,656,166
Ram Vaswani $2,378,257 €
Surindar Sunar $2,967,220 €
Barny Boatman $979,622 €
Oliver Boyce €
Norwich Fan Rob

Total= $29,609,672

I'm in for €50 too

Jesus scotty it could well be the last 3 players you picked that will win it for you!

shoutman

I think I am down to my last remaining player:

Take it down Daniel!!!!

Negranu ftw

Scotty #

Scotty Nguyen
Mike Matusow
Eli Elesra
Liz Lieu
Michael Mizrachi
Todd Brunson
Dave Ulliot
Ram Vaswani
Surindar Sunar $34,636
Barny Boatman $14,597
Norwich Fan Rob
Oliver Boyce

redzerdrog

Cyndy Violette $928,317 (F) $30,512

John Gale $2,189,273 (E) I dont think he made the money
Barney Boatman $979,622 (E) made the money $14,597
Dave Colclough $1,970,081 (E) dont think he made the money
Patrik Antonius $2,061,492 (E) gone

Phil Ivey $6,075,247 gone
Phil Hellmuth jr $7,304,212 gone
Allen Cunningham $4,592,376 still in
Sam Farha $2,039,555 gone
Jeff Madsen $1,401,881 gone

Mr Pillowtalk gone
Norwich Fan Rob still in

Total= $29,542,056[/QUOTE]

shoutman

With Negranu gone I am officially player-less. I blame it all on Juha Helpi and Sverre Sundbo, damn unreliable scandis decided not to play the biggest game in town.

Scotty #

Only 2 of my pros made the money and they were prob least favs to do it.

C'mon ROBBIE!!

EDIT: actually now that I look at it I can't beat Red. as Cunningham is still there and we both have NF rob

redzerdrog

Do you know if anyone else can win it?

I am away on holidays today so i wont be around to check it for the rest of the week.

shoutman

redzerdrog wrote:

:d :d :d :d

I think we have a winner before it has even finished.

Congrats Redzer

redzerdrog

I hope so i cant see anyone else that win it

I will sort out my winnings next week when i am home from holidays

Scotty #

(provisional) CONGRATS!!!!

rag2gar

rag2gar wrote:

RAG2GAR'S TEAM

4 European players

Ram Vaswani $2,378,257
Dave Colclough $1,970,081
Paul Jackson $991,819
John Kabajj $ 1,231,580

2 Non-Money-Listed-Players

Paul Leckey $182,437
Don Fagan $219,285

1 Female Player

Jennifer Harmen $1,628,204

5 Extra Players

Phil Ivey $6,921,691
Phil Hellmuth $7,234,546
Tony Bloom $1,414,681
Patrik Antonius $ 2,061,492
John Cernuto $3,711,248
$29,945,321


I'll take part in wager too...........

could i not still win no?

Scotty #

Actually, YES. If Don finishes far enough ahead of Cunningham and Taylor.