is rock n'roll dying

thebaz

just wondering is rock music in a serious state of decline, or do people care ?
or is it just me as i get older and head for middle age !!

Where are todays Elvis, Stones, Beatles , Iggy Pop ...
God forbid where are todays Oasis , Stone Roses , Nirvana ?

With Oxegen reported as an overpriced money making exercise for MCD , U2 flogging ipods , and Raps culture of bling .... is there a place for the true spirit of Rock nRoll, or will it become filed along with jazz ,as an old obsession of the late 20th century ?
The only new music that does anything for me is the Arcade Fire .

Hail 2 Da Chimp

U2 proved to be the biggest crowd of shills ever flogging iPods...

The only decent rock band out there now has got to be Radiohead. Cant actually think of any others.

Bard

is rock n'roll dying

No.

Creamy Goodness

i do believe it's still there, it's just that you have to look for it now more so than ever.

during the times of the bands you mentioned, they were at the top of their game and were everywhere, eg, nirvana were played on mtv. now mtv has changed and don't play music :rolleyes:

the likes of arcade fire type bands are still there, they just have to be found.

www.pandora.com is good for finding similar artists.

people will follow whats being pushed upon them and it seems that the gansta/rap or whatever you want to label it is selling so they won't stop it until it stops making money for them.

Robbo

It can't die as long as long as Sandi Thom still wishes she was a punk rocker with flowers in her hair. It just can't.

tj-music.com

Rock and Roll has always been a question of definition. Bands like KISS for instance would be classed a hard rock bands but they class themselves a a rock and roll band for instance.

There are too many boxes in which to put music nowadays imho.

thebaz

will we ever see a revolution like punk, from way back in 1977?
hip/hop and Rap have left there mark , but something new needs to happen now , otherwise i fear modern music will follow top of the pops.

el rabitos

tj-music.com wrote:

Rock and Roll has always been a question of definition. Bands like KISS for instance would be classed a hard rock bands but they class themselves a a rock and roll band for instance.

There are too many boxes in which to put music nowadays imho.

kiss? hard rock?, your on crack.

kiss are glam rock, and they is shizite to the mizax, word.

Lust4Life

As with Disco, it will never die - It just goes into The Witness Protection Program for a while and emerges with a new identity.

the Internet is a blessing and a boon. It is killing CD sales.
But it is also helping us open doors to find more listening choices that we would normally never stumble across.
It is also breaking up the record companies that have been making money off of other people's talents for decades.
Anybody can record these days and put it out there for all to see. We just need to know where to look.

L4L

Cardinal

This is a pretty obvious no. There are several bands in this weeks Irish top 10 albums which fall under the wide umbrella of rock music. Maybe there aren't many rock bands around that you personally like. But that's hardly grounds to say the genre is dying. The term 'rock' is far too widely encompassing to ever die really.

What is it about the bands you've mentioned that makes them so much better than anything around today? Primarily, it's that they've stood the test of time and become classics, representing the apex of their genres. How can we say now who the bands from the present who will be remembered so well will be? We can only speculate. It also stems from the fact that they had huge popularity in their time.
U2s immense popularity will certainly earn them a place of respect. (Though I personally can't see what the fuss is about.) I would hope Radiohead will be remembered as one of the greatest bands of all time.

nesf

Rock/Metal ftw tbh.

Oh and just to emphasise the point, thread moved.

MisterAnarchy

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote:

U2 proved to be the biggest crowd of shills ever flogging iPods...

The only decent rock band out there now has got to be Radiohead. Cant actually think of any others.

Radiohead are nowhere near a Rock band.

Karl Hungus

Nothing ever dies. It simply moves out of the public eye.

Tar.Aldarion

I hate the rock genre, die by my bath'leth!
I find maybe one or two songs max to be good by any 'rock' band.
What are good ones these days for the masses?

pbsuxok1znja4r

Rock 'n' Roll isn't dying, but dying is Rock 'n' Roll.

Which means Rock 'n' Roll can never die. It would only perpetuate its very essence by doing so.

wrote:

Radiohead are nowhere near a Rock band.

The hell you talkin' bout? I can only assume you actually mean they transcend the genre. Otherwise, you're just wrong.

ANarcho-Munk

Theres a very good garage rock band in dublin called The Last Call. There really good kinda gritty punk influenced garage rock in the form of iggy and the stooges.

http://www.myspace.com/thelastcallishere

Theres also a very cool band called The Dangerfields who are in the hi-octane rock kinda genre.
http://www.myspace.com/thedangerfields

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Karl Hungus wrote:

Nothing ever dies. It simply moves out of the public eye.

spot on...

kinaldo

A long, long time ago...
I can still remember
How that music used to make me smile.
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those people dance
And, maybe, they’d be happy for a while.

But february made me shiver
With every paper I’d deliver.
Bad news on the doorstep;
I couldn’t take one more step.

I can’t remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride,
But something touched me deep inside
The day the music died.

more

Don Mclean re. Buddy Holly's untimely death

Bard

scouser.tommy wrote:

The hell you talkin' bout? I can only assume you actually mean they transcend the genre. Otherwise, you're just wrong.

tbh, I agree with him.

Radiohead USED TO BE a rock (and roll) band, but they changed into ... er ... something else.

Crucifix

As Kiss once told us, God put Rock and Roll in the soul of everyone. So brother and sisters, once you keep totally rockin out in your heart, no rap video shall ever harm your spirit. Amen.....amen.

gizmo

Meh, I've found that the publics view of Rock 'N Roll has changed in the last number of years. Nowadays its all (imho) ****e, commerically orientated generic sounding "indie" rock bands who claim they're hardcore rock and roll and all those other "lame" "emo, screamo, metal and guitar shredder bands" are terrible. Personally I can't stand a single one of them and the prefix "The" over the past few years has become my own warning sign to such music. When I want to get my rock n' roll fix I'll just slap on some AC/DC, sure its old but until something better comes along I'm happy where I am.

Cardinal

Some bands I do like at the moment who might be considered rock are, Arcade Fire, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, Belle and Sebastian, The Flaming Lips, Modest Mouse, Fugazi and Sigur Ros. Though those are often classed as 'alternative' which I think might be the sh1ttest genre of all.

FillSpectre

It can't really die as mentioned already. It may just not take up such a large portion of the music avialable.

The music industry is totally different now so you will never get one major artist conquring all like Elvis etc...

You also need to remeber Elvis and the Beatles were not actually all dominating and conquring. Pat Boone, Dean Martin etc... were still selling very well at the same time. Media tend to change what happened in the past. Punk was not as big as made out, in the 70s Prog Rock was far out selling punk when it was apparently dead and punk rulled, in fact prog rock sold more than ever in the years punk was apparently rulling.

Rock n' Roll is pretty much gone anyway if you listen to the music now compared with Chuck Berry

Karl Hungus

Check out Porcupine Tree. Give the song "Blackest Eyes" a listen to.

Slutmonkey57b

Muse.

gizmo

Karl Hungus wrote:

Check out Porcupine Tree. Give the song "Blackest Eyes" a listen to.

Great intro but then it descended to mildly generic "modern rock" for the verses and chorus. Still enjoyable though, ta for the tip.

JC 2K3

Chinese Democracy is out around August/September next year.

From the leaks it sounds like it'll be good.

I don't think it's a case of rock music dying, I think it's more a case of the amount of talented artists in the mainstream, "MTV" market declining because it's more profitable for record companies to have mediocre, easily disposable bands.

nesf

Faceless Man wrote:

Great intro but then it descended to mildly generic "modern rock" for the verses and chorus.

Agreed. The intro sounds like a different song, they were probably going for that effect but it didn't do anything for me.

MrJones

Faceless Man wrote:

Meh, I've found that the publics view of Rock 'N Roll has changed in the last number of years. Nowadays its all (imho) ****e, commerically orientated generic sounding "indie" rock bands who claim they're hardcore rock and roll and all those other "lame" "emo, screamo, metal and guitar shredder bands" are terrible. Personally I can't stand a single one of them and the prefix "The" over the past few years has become my own warning sign to such music. When I want to get my rock n' roll fix I'll just slap on some AC/DC, sure its old but until something better comes along I'm happy where I am.

live and let die

Den_M

Slutmonkey57b wrote:

Muse.

Oh yes. Muse are the shining light for rock these days for me.
Far too many scarf-wearing NME bands around.

Dyr

Crucifix wrote:

As Kiss once told us, God put Rock and Roll in the soul of everyone. amen.

Actually it was Argent who told us that

rock 'n' roll dying? Its dead

*pokes rock n roll with a stick*

Crucifix

Karl Hungus wrote:

Check out Porcupine Tree. Give the song "Blackest Eyes" a listen to.

"Trains" on the list there is worth a listen too.

Steoob

crucifix i love your sig pic where did you get it?

Crucifix

Steoob wrote:

crucifix i love your sig pic where did you get it?

It's a screenshot I took from the trailer for "A Scanner darkly".

Baggio

rock and roll..is a veryyy broard term ...I cant think of a single band mentioned so far that Id like to go see....maybe ACDC or KISS for the fun of it all....but the rest?...ughhh groan their all sooo lame, the word DULL springs to my mind every time I hear of another "amazing line up" for oxygen or any other festivals here....waste of money and time going to see the amaturs that appear at the outdoor shows...maybe The Who may have been worth seeing...the rest??...not worth even mentioning.

There are a few goood bands still around...but...yu need to go look for em...you all know my veryyy narrow music taste for a handfull of bands...who are now in their senior years at this stage...but what else is there?........rock and roll dying ? no.,.......in state of decay?..probably

ciao' amigos....Baggio...

mike65

Far too many scarf-wearing NME bands around.

People have been saying that since about 1975! (Hot Press effect)

For me 'rock' music came to an end about 15 years ago I dunno why but very little music by new bands since then has caught my casual ear.

Mike.

John

It's all about the post rock and the avant rock if I should believe The Wire.

kona

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote:

U2 proved to be the biggest crowd of shills ever flogging iPods...

The only decent rock band out there now has got to be Radiohead. Cant actually think of any others.

sadly yes it is dying,
ha ha ha u2 and radiohead aint rock music, neither are arctic monkey-sh1t, franz ferdinand, or the new chilli peppers stuff, my farts have more melody to be honest.
real rock is MOTLEY CRUE,VAN HALEN, GUNS N ROSES, KISS, PANTERA,NIRVANA,LED ZEPPLIN, MOTORHEAD,RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE, AEROSMITH,JUDAS PRIEST,METALLICA etc

look up the stories of the crue and guns n roses and compare them to the arctic monkeys, they make 'rock' bands like the arctic monkeys look like daniel o donnel.
the crue are real rockers

JC 2K3

kona wrote:

sadly yes it is dying,
ha ha ha u2 and radiohead aint rock music, neither are arctic monkey-****, franz ferdinand, or the new chilli peppers stuff, my farts have more melody to be honest.
real rock is MOTLEY CRUE,VAN HALEN, GUNS N ROSES, KISS, PANTERA,NIRVANA,LED ZEPPLIN, MOTORHEAD,RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE, AEROSMITH,JUDAS PRIEST,METALLICA etc

look up the stories of the crue and guns n roses and compare them to the arctic monkeys, they make 'rock' bands like the arctic monkeys look like daniel o donnel.
the crue are real rockers

I think we all acknowledge that the arctic monkeys, franz ferdinand etc. aren't rock, the post you quoted never even mentioned anyone besides U2(which they slagged off) and radiohead. Quite frankly the sentiment that Radiohead are not rock is stupid as their early albums(The Bands, Ok Computer) clearly are. Furthermore the bands you mention have little consistency and don't really prove your point. The Crue were glam rock, not "real" rock, same with KISS. Pantera, Motorhead, Judas Priest and Metallica are considered metal, not rock. So the only bands that are actually "rock" from that list are Van Halen, GNR, Nirvana(and you could argue and class them as grunge or something), ZeppElin, RATM and Aerosmith.

I personally am a fan of elitist posts, but only when they're intelligent and have a consistant argument.

gizmo

And from the latter list I'd say only VH, GnR, Zepplin and Aerosmith are proper Rock N' Roll with RATM being more metal imo.

Charm Offensive

Hmmm. What's changed since the "good ol' days" is obviously the proliferation of the modern media; the commercialisation of music. Music is a product, and the the mainstream is always going to be edging towards a superlatively efficient, cost-effective ideal - becoming more streamlined, vacuous and music-less as time goes on. However, the volume of original, genuine and truly worthwhile music being produced in any genre has not diminished in the slightest. I guess what you really mean by "rock and roll" though is as much the feeling of solidarity and having some sort of ethos and collective feeling of power to latch onto as well as enjoying the music. And yeah, that element of it has undoubtedly diminished, but having just turned twenty I never "felt" that happening so I'm not really qualified to talk about it. I grew up in the cold, bleak and dystopian musical landscape ( ) of the 90s... listening to people like Billy Corgan of the Pumpkins talking about how he saw, and felt, the revolutionary air that surrounded rock and roll music evaporating as he grew up. Personally, I've always had to furrow and investigate to find music that I loved and could really latch onto, it's never just appeared around me as part of the cultural landscape - aside from the recommendations of clued-in friends or siblings who themselves put a conscious effort into trying to find good stuff.

All that aside, if I wanted to be a brat about it I'd just say that people who are moaning about the death of rock and roll are old farts who are channeling their lamentations of lost youth into a whinge about the musical climate, denying the reality that revolutionary musical movements, if such a thing still exists (it doesn't), are the domain of the young, and they're just out of touch. And hey, if a new "ROCK AND ROLL REVOLUTION" (eugh) came along, you wouldn't be celebrating it, you'd be calling all the bands involved a bunch of derivative tossers!

P.S. Can we not turn this thread into a genre debate? There are few things in this world more utterly pointless.

kona

JC 2K3 wrote:

I think we all acknowledge that the arctic monkeys, franz ferdinand etc. aren't rock, the post you quoted never even mentioned anyone besides U2(which they slagged off) and radiohead. Quite frankly the sentiment that Radiohead are not rock is stupid as their early albums(The Bands, Ok Computer) clearly are. Furthermore the bands you mention have little consistency and don't really prove your point. The Crue were glam rock, not "real" rock, same with KISS. Pantera, Motorhead, Judas Priest and Metallica are considered metal, not rock. So the only bands that are actually "rock" from that list are Van Halen, GNR, Nirvana(and you could argue and class them as grunge or something), ZeppElin, RATM and Aerosmith.

I personally am a fan of elitist posts, but only when they're intelligent and have a consistant argument.

twas just thrownin in a few more names of **** bands that think they are rock!! they call oxegen a 'rock festival' iwhich it aint.
the crue started glam rock but they finished with it after 'theatre of pain', the crue say they hate glam too!!! id call Dr Feelgood and GirlsGirlsGirls rock albums as is , generation swine, motley crue, new tattoo. however they are usually found in the metal sections.
GnR are metal not rock so ill take back my comments, but wasnt 80s rock the birth of metal???i.e GnR,Metallica, Motley Crue etc....
and as for my list not saying rock bands , when i load my crue albums and the others they come up rock in windows media player , i know its a weak point but ill just put it there.

JC 2K3

kona wrote:

twas just thrownin in a few more names of **** bands that think they are rock!! they call oxegen a 'rock festival' iwhich it aint.

As much as I hate those bands none of them call themselves rock, they call themselves "indie" and last time I checked Oxegen called itself a "music festival".

kona wrote:

GnR are metal not rock so ill take back my comments, but wasnt 80s rock the birth of metal???i.e GnR,Metallica, Motley Crue etc....

GNR are hard rock, not metal..... but as Charm Offensive said, genre debates are pointless.

kona

JC 2K3 wrote:

As much as I hate those bands none of them call themselves rock, they call themselves "indie" and last time I checked Oxegen called itself a "music festival".



GNR are hard rock, not metal..... but as Charm Offensive said, genre debates are pointless.

yes they are pointless. in the papers oxegen is called a rock festival!!!

ANarcho-Munk

kona wrote:

yes they are pointless. in the papers oxegen is called a rock festival!!!

Nail.Head.The.Hit.The.On

mike65

wasnt 80s rock the birth of metal

Speechless. :eek:

Mike.

Dyr

Karl Hungus wrote:

Check out Porcupine Tree. Give the song "Blackest Eyes" a listen to.

And while we're splitting hairs on genres, how come stuff like porcupine tree is labelled "prog"? ehhnobatman...that sound was progressive back in the late 60s when the bands steve wilson et al imitate were banging it out. Nowadays its just unimaginative retro cack :mad:

LightofDarkness

Good point Bambi. While we're at it, Dream Theater are progressive HOW??? Don't get me wrong, they're good musicians and all, but it's the same as Porcupine Tree, a few complex arrangements and one or two off-time segments doesn't make you progressive when your basically just writing generock music.

GnR are metal not rock so ill take back my comments, but wasnt 80s rock the birth of metal???i.e GnR,Metallica, Motley Crue etc....

I don't do this much, but LOL. You should probably sit this one out....

The music scene sure does suck if you 're only counting the mainstream ballsack that dangles from the penis of MTV. Yes, there may be too many scarf wearing pseudo intellectuals that we call "indies" who think they know all there is to know about music because they read NME and knew about the Killers before the Lifestyle Sports ad, but that doesn't mean that's all there is. Go a-huntin', lads. I find plenty of good **** via trawling through websites. Is rock dying? GOD I hope so, then maybe people can just write music that they come up with and not play to a well-established blueprint. Like just yesterday I found a band called Alarum that I really like, plus I have an affinity for silly technical crazy bands like Sleep Terror, whom I find daily. Plus, if you don't like what's out there now, pick up a guitar and change it.

Karl Hungus

No idea, some bands just get called Prog that really aren't doing anything very prog.

AlanOB

Prog now seems to mean "reminiscent of the progressive bands of old" at times, rather than actually being used to denote bands who are truly doing "progressive" work.

Which is fine. I do this myself. If a band is in the vein of Floyd or Yes I'll say they're prog. If they are genuinely being progressive I'll use the full word.

There's no real need to be a pedant. People usually know what you mean.

JC 2K3

What is prog supposed to mean then? I always thought it was longer than average songs with complex structures.....