Officials angry at Terenure for leaving early

mustang68

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Did anyone get dirty/snide comments from officials for leaving terenure early?

One of my friends did, it was his first show and he had to go to a family thing and he got an earfull, told not to bother coming next year he was a bit annoyed as he had paid to get in and should be able to leave at any time.

Mr. 'H'

This is the e-mail I sent to the Jag Club.

Bad Treatment by Irish Jag Club Official at Terenure

to bmccoy, patrickjwalsh2, chairman,


Dear Sirs,

I attended the Terenure car show on Sunday with my 1941 Buick, which is in pristine, and completely original condition.

I had arrived at 10 a.m. and had to leave early to attend a prior arrangement at 3 p.m. (my sister in law's engagement party).

When I was leaving I was asked that by an Official (in a green suit jacket), if I planned to come back next year. He then proceeded to tell me that I shouldn't bother.

I find this attitude completely repugnant and unacceptable. I had paid my €15 contribution upon entry and I was fully entitled to leave early if I wished, without the fear of being verbally accosted by an official.

I note that there is already an internet forum discussion about this behaviour which, apparently, other vintage car exhibitors experienced also.

Unless I receive some sort of explanation for this unacceptable carry on, I will be making a written complaint to the College Authorities, and to whoever else I need to, in order to draw this matter to a conclusion.

Yours sincerely,

Blue850

I left at 4 with no comments but there should have been a marked exit route and marshalls cos getting out thru people was a nightmare.

I once got a bollocking from an asshole marshall at the Strabally Steam rally for showing up at 1 (Car trouble on way) , never been back.

MercMad

I am sorry lads, I understand your respective predicaments, but it IS clear, and has always been clear, that the terms of acceptance of entry is such that car owners agree to stay there until 5.00PM !

Its on the form !

It is also in the interest of public safety AND they are trying to raise money for charity here so when they go to this amount of organisation it could be problematic if cars left as punters paid up to walk in !

Having said that there is no cause to be rude about it and an explaination should be forthcoming, after all without cars there IS no show, and bad press can easily amount to Clubs boycotting the event, which could spread !

Where are the other forums you speak of ?

mustang68

Just to clarify:

• the friend I was talking about was mr H
• corktina posted "we got chewed off by the organisers for leaving at 3.30 (having arrived at 8.30....) only had to drive 160 odd miles home...."

So I was wondering did anyone else have that happen to them?

Mr. 'H'

MercMad wrote:

I am sorry lads, I understand your respective predicaments, but it IS clear, and has always been clear, that the terms of acceptance of entry is such that car owners agree to stay there until 5.00PM !

Its on the form !

The only form I recieved when I paid in was a blue entry card. I do not recollect it being "on the form!".

However I will check this later at home.

Incidentally MercMad, what is your involement with this show's management?

dubtom

I left near 5 when I was at a jag for sale stall and seen a que forming, I had planned to leave earlyer than that because of work but didn't. I don't recall seeing anything on the form I downloaded about leaving at atleast 5, but I didn't read it completly either.I understand people being pissed at a bad attitude but I do hope that their are no bad feelings that may affect the show in the future,I think we all lose if that happens.

mustang68

The form says:

"The Grounds will be open from 8 am and in the interests of Public safety we cannot have Cars moving around the grounds while large numbers of the public are present there fore [sic] we ask that all vehicles be in place before 1 pm. Late arrivals will park in a special area of the public car park."

Those who arrived on the day only paid the money and were handed the card.

There wasn't a "your not getting out until five" clause.

1275gt

they need to sort this out, charity or not, PLI or not.

overdriver

" Charity"....I've done enough charity events as a musician to be suspicious of that word. Charity or not, I think it's bad form to charge the exhibitors. Sorry and all.

Mr. 'H'

I'm actually from the area, and I have a lot of friends who attended the College.

It indeed left a bad taste, and it reflects very poorly on the Jag Society I'm afraid.

Rudeness, IMO, has no place amongst vintage car enthusiasts.

I'm afraid I won't be attanding next year.

MercMad

Incidentally MercMad, what is your involement with this show's management?

..........none at all !

I am involved in the Mercedes Club, thats it, nothing to do with this event !

" Charity"....I've done enough charity events as a musician to be suspicious of that word. Charity or not, I think it's bad form to charge the exhibitors. Sorry and all.

........thats a different argument, and we've had it already ! You dont like paying, stay at home. Sorry that sounds more blunt than I actually mean it to !

I've checked my forms, and you are correct. The standard form does not mention the 5pm thing however the Club Stand Booking form does mention it, therefore I feel they have no reason or right to enforce this on people who were not informed. I DID inform my members and most, not all complied !

overdriver

........thats a different argument, and we've had it already ! You dont like paying, stay at home. Sorry that sounds more blunt than I actually mean it to !

er...missed that one, and I don't have a car to show, so it's not like I DID pay, other than as a spectataor.

I can't think how it could've sounded less blunt?

Mr. Presentable

I attended as a spectator. When I was leaving shortly after 4:00 there was a very long queue of exhibitors trying to get out (there might have been two members of the VW club still on show at this time, for example), while people were still coming in at the entrance! I put it down to the World Cup final being on, and would be surprised if everyone had other important engagements on a day they'd known about for months in advance.

1275gt

MercMad wrote:

however the Club Stand Booking form does mention it, therefore I feel they have no reason or right to enforce this on people who were not informed. !

sorry man, but i have mine here in front of me (Club stand booking form) and it says nothing about 5pm or a rule regading when you can and cant leave. there must be different forms in circulation.

id just like to point out that im not having a go at the organisers, it was one of the best shows ive ever attended and the work that was put in was mega. ive never a problem paying in to ensure future shows can go ahead, i was just dissapointed with the end bit.

green-blood

my bottom line is I leave when I want, without exhibitors there is no show, that said I'm usually last out at 8 pm, but we live local so its ok. I think the exit arrangements need improving as there is aalways a rush and a Q.

Cars leaving at an early stage must drive them nuts but its non of thier business.

Mr. 'H'

Dissapointment was the flavour of the day I'm afraid.

The cars were great, the location fantastic, the fact that it was for charity made it even better and more worth while.

I just feel really dissapointed that I encountered down right rudeness from a uniformed official on my way out! It really, really wasn't called for.

I really did NOT expect it. I was quite shocked.

And confused as to why someone would be so hostile to another vintage car enthusiast....

commited

We left at about 4 and received no grief at all.
My main reasons for leaving were food (mad queues) & the world cup.
Missed both of those as a friend of mine overheated in style on the M50

I personally feel that the show should end at around 4pm as we were all there for about 10.30am, and 7 1/2 hours is a long time to spend in a field on a Sunday! €15 is a fair whack to pay to show your car so that they can make further money from the public and on top of that encounter rudeness for leaving. It'd be one thing if they paid exhibitors to be there, but when exhibitors are paying, they reserve the right to leave when they like.

It was a fantastically organised show however, and I hope to return next year, though not quite as early.

corktina

I was a bit miffed at being told off like a naughty child....but I just ignored the prat and drove on....it was 3.30 and there was already a queue to get out and then an official INSISTED i turned right out the gate when i explaioned I had no idea where I was going if I went that way, he gave me directions......WRONG ones....doesnt know his left form his right!!!!!

These guys wants censuring by the Jag club.....especially thre guy in the green jacket...well out of order...

Otherwise the day was excellent, could have been a little better orgainsed parking wiese as many cars were just dumped anywhere......including a capri on our stand, blocking all of us in.....

oh and some prat drove over our Gazebo as we were putting it up and wrecked it....

green-blood

you'll slow down when ya get old, 7 1/2 hours to sit in a field looking at crs is my idea of heaven........

corktina

there were cars to look at?

the green jacket guy first asked me what club i was in and then where we were from...i bet he is a car-clamper during the week.....:)

green-blood

the first question I ALWAYS ask when any jobsworth asks me my name, and remember this applies to GARDAI as well, is "whats yours" not confrontationally or anything but just so we establish some facts, if you feel you have the right to question ME, you should identify yourself correctly first... did no one get this green jackets name..

ds20prefecture

I arrived at 12:45 and I left at 4 - very carefully at first, as it really was dangerous driving through people. Queue to leave was predictably long - it would be the same at anything with a thousand or so cars, and not really a hardship. The show was excellent, and I personally found the organisers courteous and helpful, as always.

It is unacceptable for marshals like this guy to spoil the day for someone like Mr. H who's made the effort with his car (spectacular car, BTW!). All I would say is not to boycot the event because of the actions of this small minded jobsworth - you and the people who love cars are the only ones who lose.

alastair

ds20prefecture wrote:

...someone like Mr. H who's made the effort with his car (spectacular car, BTW!).

The chocolate brown one? That is a beautiful car. The art deco touches on the dash and taillights are fantastic. One of my favourites on the day, and I'd tend to favour european classics.

On the leaving early, jobsworth, superior attitude thing; The show succeeds or fails on the willingness of the exhibitors to put their babies out in the field. If an exhibitor wants to leave early (and every year a certain proportion will), then the show should work around that reality. There's definitely a tendency for politics and factionalism in the car club world, and I know my father won't go to the Terenure show because of the attitudes of some involved in running the bash. I'd look a bit closer to home with regard to the running of the show, before I'd turn on exhibitors for pulling out early. Like I mentioned before, the food franchises were a disgrace, and how difficult is it to find decent coffee and food vendors in the capital these days? The layout was a bit eh, compromised, and the arrangements for any exhibitors who didn't stick rigidly to the designated system and schedule of arrival/departure seem to have fallen foul of little-hitlerism. I enjoyed the show, but a bit of honesty about the shortcomings can only help improve it next year.

commited

green-blood wrote:

you'll slow down when ya get old, 7 1/2 hours to sit in a field looking at crs is my idea of heaven........

I felt old that day - my back gave way after a few hours of standing looking at cars, so that kinda put a stop to my wandering around!

ds20prefecture

alastair wrote:

The chocolate brown one? That is a beautiful car.

I think it was this one - I immediately thought of the cover of Stephen King's "From a Buick 8". Isn't the grille a work of art?

corktina

not a lover of Yank Tanks....but I have to say that some of them there were simply stunning.......where do they get kept? they are so vast...even the small ones!

I was expecting Ritchie Cunningham ands the Fonz to appear any secx.....The Blues Brothers were there I saw....

Alfasudcrazy

I must say I was a bit taken aback at the mass exidous which began shortly before 4pm - just when the weather was really turning fine and sunny. I know people have committments etc but I think the latter part of the show was spoiled by it a bit.

I would not have have liked my classics to be stuck in slow moving traffic so I waited until just before 6pm. I think a lot of the people who left early were trying to get out before the rush but by doing so created a premature rush and nasty traffic jam themselves.;)

dubtom

alastair wrote:

The chocolate brown one? That is a beautiful car.

I agree, Mr H, don't go denying us the pleasure next year.

I'd tend to favour european classics.

Well there's none of us perfect Alister, you'll come around:D

mustang68

Most people who left early left because of the match, most people would have to:

Drive home, often not in dublin
Leave time for brerakdowns/problems
Put car back in storage/garage
Have a bite to eat


To assume that people would not be leaving from three on the day the world cup final was on would be crazy. Also you should be allowed leave anytime you want, after all, we did pay MORE in then the public and they were allowed to leave whenever they liked.

corktina

Owners leaving early is only a problem if they are acting irresponsibly, which nobody was...it's no different then driving out of Tesco's car park is it?

It is a stewarding problem to ensure it is done safely and efficently.....



Agree with the world cup comments.....extra people were bound to leave early for that reason....

I left behind my buddy in a capri....we travelled dead slow to match the pedestrians speeds around us and left a sizeable gap between us....

MercMad

Okay folks , firstly I owe you all an apology !

I cant find where its stated 5pm now. I did however have a few conversations with the organisers before the show, maybe it was mentioned then, but it was made clear to me at some point and i agreed to it and made our members aware !

The point I made earlier about WHY they want this rule is valid, but if they dont let folk know in advance, then they have no right to even TRY to enforce it !

If it was stated clearly on ALL entry forms then I would venture that once people "entered " they were bound by the rules .............no ?

Either way there is no excuse for the rudeness encountered, and as far as the food/coffee stands go maybe the organisers are getting greedy, it sure smacks of that !

I will be a bit more careful next year when booking a stand, I'll do it early and request a specific shape/size, otherwise I wont get involved !

overdriver

It certainly seems prudent to dispel any bad feeling sooner, rather than later. One could understand the organisers wanting people to stay because they can't guarantee the same quality of show to later arrivals if half the vehicles have left early.
However, like any service, it's your duty to complain if you're not happy.

corktina

would be nice to have a comment from "them" but I suspect they think a PC is a Constable.......

Mr. Presentable

As a non-exhibitor who attended the show, I noted the following.

The quality and quantity of vehicles on show. I am surprised there were so many after reading you had to pay to display. Surely if you dress your car and stay for x hours to allow the organisers to sell tickets to the public the least they could do is provide a showers marquee with refreshments etc. In fact I think you shouldn't be charged to show.

The long queue (20 minutes for me) to pay 2.50 for eight chips in a box. Fifth Avenue catering I think they were called. When I got to the head of the queue I was advised there were no dogs left - the reason I was in the queue in the first place! They had several trailers and I expect they had to pay the organisers too, which would explain the eight chips! Anyone know?

The abandonment of the show from shortly before 4pm by many of the exhibitors. OK, we all wanted to see the WC, and some exhibitors had a long way to travel. However, the date of the WC final has been known for 2 years, surely some account could be taken when setting the date for an exhibition which, no sexism intended, is going to have a clash of male interests.

As it was not my intention to either be rude or to cause offence I apologise and remove my remarks

Dades

Give a guy a jacket....

I left 4ish and didn't get any guff.
In terms of organisation a few more food options would be a great idea.

corktina

nipplenuts wrote:

to advise the organisers (The College I presume) of their responsibilities to both the show and the visitor, and stop raping them both!

No it was the Jag and Daimler club......

MercMad

The quality and quantity of vehicles on show. I am surprised there were so many after reading you had to pay to display. Surely if you dress your car and stay for x hours to allow the organisers to sell tickets to the public the least they could do is provide a showers marquee with refreshments etc. In fact I think you shouldn't be charged to show.

..........but they are providing a venue for the Show, and lets face it we all love driving our classics and talking to other owners about their cars, if they didn't charge enough to cover costs AND raise money then there would not be a Show at all !

Hey why doesn't someone write a letter to the Irish Vintage Scene magazine ! Surely some of the Jag/Daimler Club will read that , since they dont seem to have any forum on their site, although I'm sure they are reading this, but we may get a response that way !

Mr. Presentable

OK, I take your point on the exhibitors paying to show, but I still think they should provide a BBQ for them, after all they are enabling the organisers to make their money

overdriver

Vegetarian exhibitors do very poorly from BBQ's. Why not just poison everyone and have done with it??

MercMad

.............could they arrange to poison everyone who leaves early >>

Seriously at a lot of other shows the owners get tickets for free tea/coffee and sambos !

I know they gave us a plate, and despiote the fact it had a Mercedes on it , mine will never see the light of day aghain, in fact I have no idea where it is even now !

MrPillowTalk

nipplenuts wrote:

Ultimately I hope to attend the show again next year, and see as many of the same exhibitors and their vehicles as possible, but someone needs to advise the organisers (The College I presume) of their responsibilities to both the show and the visitor, and stop raping them both!

The shows organisers and volunteers give up their whole weekend and work damned hard to make it a good show. It creates a lot of revenue for charity. It is hands down the best classics show in the country and I think its completely understandable to not want exhibitors to leave early. Nobody is being "raped".

Their is no excuse for rudeness however I would suggest that anyone who has a problem with how the show is run do everyone a favour and dont come back next year

1275gt

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Their is no excuse for rudeness however I would suggest that anyone who has a problem with how the show is run do everyone a favour and dont come back next year

charming!!!

alastair

MrPillowTalk wrote:

I would suggest that anyone who has a problem with how the show is run do everyone a favour and dont come back next year

Like it or lump it, eh?

If you don't like discussion of the show, then why not do us a favour and don't come to this forum? How does that logic hang with you?

1275gt

MrPillowTalk wrote:

I think its completely understandable to not want exhibitors to leave early

If that was the case why didnt they tell us before hand, that was my point :mad:

MrPillowTalk

alastair wrote:

Like it or lump it, eh?

If you don't like discussion of the show, then why not do us a favour and don't come to this forum? How does that logic hang with you?

I feel allegations of people being raped by the organisers is absolutely outrageous considering that no one bar the charity gain anything out of the show.

Constructive criticism is fine, "raping" is not, like I said if your not happy dont go back, simple as.

MrPillowTalk

1275gt wrote:

If that was the case why didnt they tell us before hand, that was my point :mad:

This is why I said rudeness was unacceptable, it should have been on the entry forms.

Point is spectators are still arriving at 3, so if cars are leaving doesnt exactly inspire people to return next year.

mustang68

[edit: re read the post removed some stuff about "Raped"]

MrPillowTalk wrote:

I would suggest that anyone who has a problem with how the show is run do everyone a favour and dont come back next year

I don't know how much work you put into you car for the show, but I know I worked from 5-10 from tuesday until friday, all of saturday and was up at 7 on sunday making sure that the car would be in a show worthy condition and stayed at the show until five answering many questions that the general public had. If people like myself did "everyone a favour" and didn't come back, or did not offer some sort of constructive critisisim to help make things better to the shows organisers then there would not be a show.

1275gt

Point is spectators are still arriving at 3, so if cars are leaving doesnt exactly inspire people to return next year.

....and comments like yours do?

corktina

mr pillow talk , you are a disgrace....almost all the comments have been that the show was excellent, and the concensus is that we will ALL support it again next year AS WE HAVE FOR MANY YEARS PAST and the only criticism of any substance was the rudeness of one official who should be severely censured or at the very least apologised for..what do we get...? take it or leave it!!!

..I dont suppose by any chance YOU are that official?

MrPillowTalk

1275gt wrote:

....and comments like yours do?

My view on it is if you are not happy with how it is run, then dont go, judging by the fact that both entrant and spectator numbers at the show rise every year I dont envisage their being a problem.

The organisers of the show only want to run a good show and its true without exhibitors it wont happen, but I believe it is extremely well run and a lot of people put a lot of time into making it so. As I said there is no problem with constructive criticism, however what I responded to was FAR from constructive.

At this point I am withdrawing from the discussion, make of it what you will.