Dublin taking the Double

dahooligan

Hey, maybe I am wrong forum, but who reckons Dublin are in with a shot of taking the Double, Leinster and All Ireland?
I reckon that would be a bet worth making! Can I bet on a double online?

Dapos

I'd say ye are favourites to win leinster but i think it is gas how ye win one game and all of a sudden ye have the all-ireland practically won. Would dublin of beat the laois that played tyrone?

dahooligan

Well I know that Kerry and Armagh are faves to win the All Ireland, but I reckon if Dublin take the leinster it will give them they buzz they need to give the all Ireland a good lash.
I have a feeling that if Dublin win the Leinster that the odds will change to tip Kerry, then Dublin, then Armagh as faves for the All Ireland.

Dapos

Ah i do think that if dublin can't keep the heads down and play like they last did they can go fair. Just don't forget teams like Galway and Derry, maybe even cork the way they played last week. Just annoying the way the media are going on about dublin. Tis like england and the world cup.

connundrum

TBH I think Offaly will do the biz on Sunday.. was checking out the odds for Offaly to win Sam - 40/1!! I think that's worth a fiver

Dahooligan, no one has answered your question as to whether you can do a double bet online, my guess would be that you may have to go into a bookies and place it yourself I'd say they might give odds of 5 or 6/1 at the mo

whassupp2

I can see dublin winning Leinster but definately not All Ireland...they're the England of the GAA.

dahooligan

whassupp2 wrote:

I can see dublin winning Leinster but definately not All Ireland...they're the England of the GAA.

*SAID THROUGH BRENDAN GRACE STYLE GRITTED TEETH






"If you ever say that to me again, I'll put your head... through the wall"

connundrum

dahooligan wrote:

"You ever say that to me again, and I'll put your head... through the wall"

Father Ted kicks ass, was watchin that episode last night on dvd!

whassupp2

dahooligan wrote:

*SAID THROUGH BRENDAN GRACE STYLE GRITTED TEETH






"If you ever say that to me again, I'll put your head... through the wall"

Ok I take it back but seriously, They won't win All Ireland.


*Hope this post doesn't come back to haunt me*

Breezer

whassupp2 wrote:

they're the England of the GAA.

Whassup may have taken this back, but I'd like to point something out here. Dublin are not the England of the GAA.

When England play crap, the media still says that they put in 'a spirited performance' or something along those lines. When Dublin play crap, the media points out their faults and says they'll have to pick it up if they want to stay in the championship.

England fans start fights and disrupt matches. Dublin fans may be loud and sometimes obnoxious, but they're rarely arrested in large numbers for causing trouble and I've yet to see a Dublin match being cancelled because of their fans hurling missiles onto the pitch.

England are still blaming Ronaldo for getting Rooney sent off in the World Cup. If a Dublin player gets sent off, Dublin accept it and get on with it. If it seems like a harsh decision they might criticise the ref, but that's no more than any other county would do.

I could go on but I think you get the idea.

Why is it that when a Dublin fan even mentions the word 'All-Ireland' there's suddenly a backlash of "Oh here we go again," yet Joe Kernan can go on record saying that an Ulster title isn't enough for Armagh this year and people respect him for it? Granted, Armagh have been more successful than Dublin in recent years, but it seems like the rest of you won't be happy unless we're permanently pessimistic about our team's chances and qualify every word of praise with "Oh but we might lose next time." Any team, including Dublin, might lose next time, it's all on the day. That's no reason not to be optimistic and talk up our team's chances.

Sorry if this post was a bit of a rant but I'm sick of this.

Dapos

Breezer wrote:

Whassup may have taken this back, but I'd like to point something out here. Dublin are not the England of the GAA.

When England play crap, the media still says that they put in 'a spirited performance' or something along those lines. When Dublin play crap, the media points out their faults and says they'll have to pick it up if they want to stay in the championship.

England fans start fights and disrupt matches. Dublin fans may be loud and sometimes obnoxious, but they're rarely arrested in large numbers for causing trouble and I've yet to see a Dublin match being cancelled because of their fans hurling missiles onto the pitch.

England are still blaming Ronaldo for getting Rooney sent off in the World Cup. If a Dublin player gets sent off, Dublin accept it and get on with it. If it seems like a harsh decision they might criticise the ref, but that's no more than any other county would do.

I could go on but I think you get the idea.

Why is it that when a Dublin fan even mentions the word 'All-Ireland' there's suddenly a backlash of "Oh here we go again," yet Joe Kernan can go on record saying that an Ulster title isn't enough for Armagh this year and people respect him for it? Granted, Armagh have been more successful than Dublin in recent years, but it seems like the rest of you won't be happy unless we're permanently pessimistic about our team's chances and qualify every word of praise with "Oh but we might lose next time." Any team, including Dublin, might lose next time, it's all on the day. That's no reason not to be optimistic and talk up our team's chances.

Sorry if this post was a bit of a rant but I'm sick of this.

When i said it reminded me of england and the world cup i was critising the media and people who go along with the hype. Dublin can play great football and sure if ur looking for scrappy play look at some of the ulster teams. But to be fair teams like kerry, armagh and tyrone (until last saturday) can come out and say they are going for all-ireland because they have great players and are consistent. Dublin have won one game well. Not enough IMO to claim for sam. Every team can have great performances, champions do it consistently.

DUB

Where is all this hype people are talking about? Maybe I'm reading the wrong papers but the highest accolade I've seen for Dublin is that the performance v Laois has made us possible contenders for the all Ireland. Thats hardly going way over the top. Now any Dublin fan who has more then a one match memory knows well this team can unravel at any stage so I'm just hoping for another good performance v Offaly. Every one of our full back line are better half backs so I'm nervous enough, we'd be the first team to retain LEinster in 11 years and I'd be delighted with that. Just look at the way the qualifiers are shaping up, there any number of teams in there that could beat us, that said for me Armagh and Kerry are still the teams to beat.

REBEL CORK

Erra a real double is winning the All-ireland hurling and football championships.We in Cork know alot about that.:D

Danno

It won't be too long before Dublin will be competing for Sam and Liam in the one year IMHO - Watch this space...

Lemlin

They have to get by Armagh and Kerry first. Not to mention Mayo, Galway and Cork.

DUB

Lemlin wrote:

They have to get by Armagh and Kerry first. Not to mention Mayo, Galway and Cork.

Not to mention Offaly!

Danno wrote:

It won't be too long before Dublin will be competing for Sam and Liam in the one year IMHO - Watch this space...

I wish, while the underage hurlers have made great strides in recent years challenging for Liam is a long way off. They'd have gone further over the last few years only we seem to get stopped at minor and u21 every year by the fantastic underage conveyor belt of talent that kilkenny have been producing. Having said that we've as strong a u21 team this year as I can remember so here's hoping they can [finally] beat kilkenny!

Bluetonic

Lemlin wrote:

They have to get by Armagh and Kerry first. Not to mention Mayo, Galway and Cork.

Pretty much impossbile they would have to get past all these teams, they can't meet them all under any sceanario.

The Rooster

Dapos wrote:

Just annoying the way the media are going on about dublin. Tis like england and the world cup.

Where exactly are the media "going on about Dublin". You're just dreaming that up or going along with the "oh someone said it, so it must be true".

Certainly Dublin dont get any more media attention than they deserve in the proper media, i.e. RTE, Irish Times, Irish Independent, Examiner.

The Herald is the only national paper that gives the Dubs extra, but thats because its readership is mostly Dubs. Its practically a local paper, and all local papers give extra coverage to their own team.

The Rooster

Lemlin wrote:

They have to get by Armagh and Kerry first. Not to mention Mayo, Galway and Cork.

That should read they have to get by Armagh or Kerry last. Mayo and/or Galway would have to be beaten first, but probably no need to mention Cork.

Dublin can only play one of Armagh, Kerry, Cork and Donegal. And if they do play one of them it can only be in an All Ireland final.

The same goes for Galway, Mayo and Offaly. Its a great chance to make an All Ireland final. Offaly have a close to 50% chance of beating Dublin, but either way I think there is a place in the All Ireland final up for grabs between Galway, Mayo and Dublin. Not a whole lot between any of them, and whoever gets through will be underdog in the final. However there's no reason why fans of Galway, Mayo and Dublin should not be confident of reaching an All Ireland final. It should also be said that some of the qualfiers might fancy their chances of an appearance in the All Ireland final if they get into the easy side of the draw, notably Fermanagh IMO, but perhaps some of the others either.

Dapos

The Rooster wrote:

Where exactly are the media "going on about Dublin". You're just dreaming that up or going along with the "oh someone said it, so it must be true".

Certainly Dublin dont get any more media attention than they deserve in the proper media, i.e. RTE, Irish Times, Irish Independent, Examiner.

The Herald is the only national paper that gives the Dubs extra, but thats because its readership is mostly Dubs. Its practically a local paper, and all local papers give extra coverage to their own team.

Excuse me i am not dreaming up the media coverage of Dublin. The papers have given dublin way too much coverage, good and bad in both tablods, and broadsheets. Sure even the Dublin coach warned the team not to pay attention to it. I'd say it is u who doesn't read the papers. Also I'm sure wat was ment was dublin would have to go through Kerry and/or Armagh and/or etc.

DUB

Dapos wrote:

Excuse me i am not dreaming up the media coverage of Dublin. The papers have given dublin way too much coverage, good and bad in both tablods, and broadsheets.

So does coverage automatically mean hype? There's not been anyone harping on about 'God being a dub' or any of that kind of ****e the english media were at before the world cup. Nor has there been talk of 'a golden generation'. The odd interview with a player, almost all of who are making the right kind of noises. Kerry and Armagh are generally accepted as the teams to beat in any pepers I've read and rightfully so.

Also can I ask for a definition of swagger, never understood that one either.

Lemlin

The Dubs do get way too much media attention every year and are hyped way too much. That's why every other county likes to see them lose.

whassupp2

....just on a totally unrelated matter, there was a brilliant pic on Mondays Indo of the match in Croker and Pillar Caffrey looking on in Garda uniform. I'll see can I get it and post it here.

DUB

Lemlin wrote:

The Dubs do get way too much media attention every year and are hyped way too much. That's why every other county likes to see them lose.

The media cover Dublin to sell papers in Dublin ... and you have a problem with that why exactly? ... is coverge then the same as hype? ... There was an article last week about Offalys deadly forwards in the Irish Times, is that hyping Offaly? ...

Breezer

As regards the tabloids, I ended up reading the Sun today and there was a 4-page football section. The first two covered an interview with Dessie Dolan, with a few smaller articles concerning team news from other counties around the sides. The second two covered an interview with Niall McNamee. Again there were smaller articles around the sides, one of which was Dublin team news.

In other words, in that particular paper, Westmeath and Offaly got the major coverage today. On another day or in another paper, Dublin might have got the major coverage. It varies.

Also in the Irish Times, on Mondays the games that were played at the weekend get the major coverage. If Dublin played they're there, if not, they're not. Towards the end of the week it's the same story except covering the following weekend.

Where is this "way too much media attention"?

GAAman

whassupp2 wrote:

....just on a totally unrelated matter, there was a brilliant pic on Mondays Indo of the match in Croker and Pillar Caffrey looking on in Garda uniform. I'll see can I get it and post it here.

If you can please do man

Now onto this Dublin head in the clouds thing.

Its true sometimes fans get ahead of themselves. BUT Pat Spillane said *way before* the laois match he reckoned it was gonna be a Dublin Kerrry final. And Mick O'Dwyer reckons the Dubs are gonna go all the way as long as they dont balls it up. Some others that i cant recall so wont post until im sure have said the same stuff.

So it aint just the fans

Nalced_irl

Dapos wrote:

I'd say ye are favourites to win leinster but i think it is gas how ye win one game and all of a sudden ye have the all-ireland practically won. Would dublin of beat the laois that played tyrone?

Yes. Tyrone are not what they were last year even at full strenght, but with injuries, they are well beloew their 05 standard. Laois played very very well, but would Laois have beaten Tyrone of September 05? Not a chance. A big part of their victory was Tyrones losses in their starting 15. Anyway, i think the Dubs have a chance at the All Ireland but i would not call it a dead cert by any means. One thing you have to remember, is that you will never get the odds you deserve when backing the Dubs anyway.

DUB

GAAman wrote:

And Mick O'Dwyer reckons the Dubs are gonna go all the way as long as they dont balls it up.

Thats what the headlines said he said. Micko actually said Dublin 'could' go all the way. Big difference.

The Rooster

Lemlin wrote:

The Dubs do get way too much media attention every year and are hyped way too much.

Thats just utter crap. Unless you're just talking about the Herald or local papers?

Dublin receive no more attention in proper national media circles than any other team. Perfect example this week, where the Indo, Times and Exmainer have each given equal coverage to both Offaly and Dublin, and also shared their coverage pretty equal between the Connacht, Munster and Leinster finals. But sure what do facts matter? I'm sure some half-wit might disagree with me after I post this, but they'll have no facts to back it up. Maybe if they just read those papers they'd cop on.

Waylander

I believe there was certainly a time when the majority of GAA fans in other counties wanted to see Dublin lose, however, I think that was quite some time ago. Dublin have been so far away from winning Sam since 1995 that I think most people outside Dublin would be happy enought to see them win an All Ireland. Sure enough, there will always be bitter people like Lemlin with an irrational dislike of a reasonably good team, who play enjoyable football to watch, but there are also the likes of Culchie who seem to be happy to lend Dublin their support, as long as it not against Mayo.

Personally, I dot think Dublin are the best team in the country, I think there are three teams that are better then them, and a couple more on a par or very close to them. If the draw is kind to them, I think they are definitely capable of reaching the AI Final, and on the day anything is possible. I think to say they have no chance is letting your judgement be clouded by your dislike.

DUB

Waylander wrote:

I believe there was certainly a time when the majority of GAA fans in other counties wanted to see Dublin lose, however, I think that was quite some time ago. Dublin have been so far away from winning Sam since 1995 that I think most people outside Dublin would be happy enought to see them win an All Ireland. Sure enough, there will always be bitter people like Lemlin with an irrational dislike of a reasonably good team, who play enjoyable football to watch, but there are also the likes of Culchie who seem to be happy to lend Dublin their support, as long as it not against Mayo.

Personally, I dot think Dublin are the best team in the country, I think there are three teams that are better then them, and a couple more on a par or very close to them. If the draw is kind to them, I think they are definitely capable of reaching the AI Final, and on the day anything is possible. I think to say they have no chance is letting your judgement be clouded by your dislike.

be careful now you're talking far too much sense for an internet forum!

blackbelt

I think this notion of Dublin getting too much coverage and being hyped up is utter crap.Lemlin,where are the facts that most people outside Dublin would want Dublin to lose?Did you do a census?

As stated before,some newspapers talk the game for Dublin simply to sell papers.Dublin do have a very good chance of doing the double as do Cork.Nobody knows what is going to happen.I gave Italy the only European country a chance to win the WC before the tournament started.I had written off France chances..look what happened.France made the final.

There is no fixed future...Armagh haven't been fixed to beat Dublin,Mayo or Kerry.Dublin have made steady progress since last year,although running hot and cold in the league,we might be able to attribute our losses to Monaghan,Cork and Fermanagh from the Omagh incident..those results were scalps.Armagh are an aging side with lots of experience which is paying dividends.Mayo are a side I fancy to reach the final.They played superb football in the league and were unbeaten until their Parnell Park meeting with Dublin.Everybody criticises Mayo for their performance against Leitrim but lets remember that Mayo will peak when they really need to.

As far as Dublin doing the double,its a high possibility.I didn't put them down to win Sam but I predicted them to win Leinster...its anybodies guess what will happen.

dahooligan

The Rooster wrote:

Thats just utter crap. Unless you're just talking about the Herald or local papers?

Dublin receive no more attention in proper national media circles than any other team. Perfect example this week, where the Indo, Times and Exmainer have each given equal coverage to both Offaly and Dublin, and also shared their coverage pretty equal between the Connacht, Munster and Leinster finals. But sure what do facts matter? I'm sure some half-wit might disagree with me after I post this, but they'll have no facts to back it up. Maybe if they just read those papers they'd cop on.

If you were to actually be fair then Dublin should get the majority of the coverage.. what with 1/4 of the population actually being Dubs like. But that's a bit technical

Anyhoo, I've got my tickets and that's all that counts!!

Lemlin

blackbelt wrote:

I think this notion of Dublin getting too much coverage and being hyped up is utter crap.Lemlin,where are the facts that most people outside Dublin would want Dublin to lose?Did you do a census?

You do a census and see. It's well known that people from the country like to see Dublin lose. I'm not sure if the reason is the hype or why but, trust me, country people prefer to see Dublin lose.

I thought it was just in Cavan/Meath etc. (area I live in) but after going to college in Sligo I see that it is not.

Although Mayo people despise Meath the most. And I mean despise.

Thats just utter crap. Unless you're just talking about the Herald or local papers?

Dublin receive no more attention in proper national media circles than any other team. Perfect example this week, where the Indo, Times and Exmainer have each given equal coverage to both Offaly and Dublin, and also shared their coverage pretty equal between the Connacht, Munster and Leinster finals. But sure what do facts matter? I'm sure some half-wit might disagree with me after I post this, but they'll have no facts to back it up. Maybe if they just read those papers they'd cop on.

That's a fantastic route to take: calling anyone who disagrees with you a half-wit. How about you let someone post their argument first? Then you can judge whether they are a half-wit or not.

If that's the way this board has gone, I think I'll leave yas to it lads. I only posted because of Blackbelt's outrageous thread in the first place. The Championship is already going down the route of the usual "how dare someone criticise the mighty Dublin" arguments.

One lesson for yas lads: learn to accept criticism.

jank

Ah this time of year again...

Dont worry when Dublin lose its back to business for the rest of the other counties.

dahooligan

jank wrote:

Ah this time of year again...

Dont worry when Dublin lose its back to business for the rest of the other counties.

Oh, how cute, an attempt at wit! Bless!

Nalced_irl

I would agree (to a very small extent) with Lemin that on the day of a double header in croker, the fans of the other match on (presuming its 2 country teams and not a minor game) tend to support the opposition to Dublin. I think that has more to do with the fact that Dublin have normally a 4:1 or 5:1 ratio of fans in the stadium tho and not out of spite. To say that all other counties like to see Dubs lose is utter bs tho. Back in the day im sure they did want to see us lose as we played a completely different game and it was rather rough but these days its completely different. Besides, for the over-hyped thing, in the last few years Dublin have been close to reaching All Ireland Finals on many occasions, getting to Quarter Finals and Semi Finals. Why would they not be up there with the favourites?? I still dont think we are good enough to win the All Ireland this year but stranger things have happened. With Tyrone out and a decent draw, we will be close.

And Jank...Good input. If Dublin lose, fools like you have no more reason to whine so it should be a sad day for you. Also, what time of year are you refferring to? Had you bothered to actually read this thread, you would see that most Dubs here are saying there are plenty of teams better and equal to us so nobody is overhyping them. Get your facts straight and lose your anti-Dublin attitude then try posting something meaningful and with any kind of point.

The Rooster

Lemlin wrote:

That's a fantastic route to take: calling anyone who disagrees with you a half-wit. How about you let someone post their argument first? Then you can judge whether they are a half-wit or not.

If that's the way this board has gone, I think I'll leave yas to it lads. I only posted because of Blackbelt's outrageous thread in the first place. The Championship is already going down the route of the usual "how dare someone criticise the mighty Dublin" arguments.

One lesson for yas lads: learn to accept criticism.

Absolute BS, as usual, Lemlin. Trying to twist things to suit your own argument and failing to listen to facts.

Show me the facts where the Dubs get more coverage in the proper media (Indo, Times, Examiner, RTE) than other teams? You can't because they don't. Each of the six teams in provicial football finals this week have received roughly the same coverage in the media. But it won't stop you spouting rubbish about "Dubs do get way too much media attention every year". But everybody is good at something I suppose.

Lemlin

The Rooster wrote:

Absolute BS, as usual, Lemlin. Trying to twist things to suit your own argument and failing to listen to facts.

Show me the facts where the Dubs get more coverage in the proper media (Indo, Times, Examiner, RTE) than other teams? You can't because they don't. Each of the six teams in provicial football finals this week have received roughly the same coverage in the media. But it won't stop you spouting rubbish about "Dubs do get way too much media attention every year". But everybody is good at something I suppose.

Read my quote please:

The Dubs do get way too much media attention every year and are hyped way too much. That's why every other county likes to see them lose.

I clearly say media. The fact that you have to bring the word "proper" into it shows that you must agree with my point. I fully agree that papers like Th Sun etc. are full of tripe but they do tend to concentrate on Dublin more.

I didn't twist any point. I made a fact that Dublin get more media attention (all types of media) in general and you obviously agree, otherwise you would not of used the word "proper" in your reply.

Btw, we haven't reached German style propaganda yet, you can't just label someone a half-wit before they even type their argument. How about you address that point?

Originally posted by Nalced_Irl
I would agree (to a very small extent) with Lemin that on the day of a double header in croker, the fans of the other match on (presuming its 2 country teams and not a minor game) tend to support the opposition to Dublin. I think that has more to do with the fact that Dublin have normally a 4:1 or 5:1 ratio of fans in the stadium tho and not out of spite. To say that all other counties like to see Dubs lose is utter bs tho. Back in the day im sure they did want to see us lose as we played a completely different game and it was rather rough but these days its completely different. Besides, for the over-hyped thing, in the last few years Dublin have been close to reaching All Ireland Finals on many occasions, getting to Quarter Finals and Semi Finals. Why would they not be up there with the favourites?? I still dont think we are good enough to win the All Ireland this year but stranger things have happened. With Tyrone out and a decent draw, we will be close.

And Jank...Good input. If Dublin lose, fools like you have no more reason to whine so it should be a sad day for you. Also, what time of year are you refferring to? Had you bothered to actually read this thread, you would see that most Dubs here are saying there are plenty of teams better and equal to us so nobody is overhyping them. Get your facts straight and lose your anti-Dublin attitude then try posting something meaningful and with any kind of point.

And where are you from? Dublin, woohoo, that's a surprise. Have you seen anyone from Dublin yet come on and disagree that people from other counties like to see them lose? I certainly haven't.

I fully agree Dublin could be close this year but that doesn't mean my point is any less valid. I'm not commenting on their performance I'm commenting on their media attention.

For example, alot of people dislike the easy run they got to the quarter finals a few years ago - London, Longford and Leitrim I think it was. Have you seen a team get a run like that in the qualifiers again yet? Nope, because the GAA wanted to keep Dublin in the Championship because they fill Croker.

Nalced_irl

Lemlin wrote:

And where are you from? Dublin, woohoo, that's a surprise. Have you seen anyone from Dublin yet come on and disagree that people from other counties like to see them lose? I certainly haven't.

I fully agree Dublin could be close this year but that doesn't mean my point is any less valid. I'm not commenting on their performance I'm commenting on their media attention.

For example, alot of people dislike the easy run they got to the quarter finals a few years ago - London, Longford and Leitrim I think it was. Have you seen a team get a run like that in the qualifiers again yet? Nope, because the GAA wanted to keep Dublin in the Championship because they fill Croker.

Ok, can i take a stab that you are based in Dublin? So you are whining that the Dublin papers go on about us too much?? Head down to Cork, im sure its the same or any other county for that matter with their citys papers. As has been said many times, the National Papers have been very equal on the coverage. RTE has been very equal apart from the documentary from last year, however nobody else has made one so theres none else to show. As for the fact that nobody has come on to say they dont want to see Dublin lose...why would they bother?? Its people crying about the fact that Dublin makes up most of the population of this country and so may from time to time get slightly more coverage like you that would be bothered, even tho if there is any extra, its very slight. If you started a thread about how you like to see another county lose, i wouldnt bother posting. What interest in it would i have?
Also, you are saying learn to take some criticism? Its actually quite a compliment that you seem to care so much about Dublin. The crap your spouting isnt even criticism, its just the darkage crap that some people are still stuck in.

PS. You forgot about the fact the we get to play in Croker more. For the next post eh?

Lemlin

Nalced_irl wrote:

Ok, can i take a stab that you are based in Dublin? So you are whining that the Dublin papers go on about us too much?? Head down to Cork, im sure its the same or any other county for that matter with their citys papers. As has been said many times, the National Papers have been very equal on the coverage. RTE has been very equal apart from the documentary from last year, however nobody else has made one so theres none else to show. As for the fact that nobody has come on to say they dont want to see Dublin lose...why would they bother?? Its people crying about the fact that Dublin makes up most of the population of this country and so may from time to time get slightly more coverage like you that would be bothered, even tho if there is any extra, its very slight. If you started a thread about how you like to see another county lose, i wouldnt bother posting. What interest in it would i have?
Also, you are saying learn to take some criticism? Its actually quite a compliment that you seem to care so much about Dublin. The crap your spouting isnt even criticism, its just the darkage crap that some people are still stuck in.

PS. You forgot about the fact the we get to play in Croker more. For the next post eh?

I'm in Dublin two days a week for work. I don't touch any Dublin paper for exactly the reasons outlined, particularly the Herald which is drivel anyway. Tablods like The Sun give more coverage to Dublin. Study it if you like. I admire the way you have gone from all but saying my point was garbage to now saying there is a slight favouring for Dublin. Great way to stick to your argument .

I don't care about Dublin. I'm sticking up for the post I made which The Rooster and you have tried to shoot down.

Btw, I held the Delaney Cup last year with two Dublin players, did you? I actually know a couple of the team. Strange that for someone who hates Dublin so much. Did you ever consider that I don't hate Dublin but I'm just giving my opinion?

If you'd like proof, I can point you to my cousin's Bebo where the pics are or, if you do ever get to hold the Delaney, look on the bottom. "Sucks ****" is scraped into the bottom of it.

You have failed to address most of my point eg. Dublin's easy run and why people dislike them. Another reason would be the conduct of the fans eg. the throwing of a flare onto the pitch last year when an opposition player was taking a penalty.

Breezer

The flare was a disgraceful but thankfully isolated incident. There were about 60,000 Dublin fans in Croke Park at the time and it only takes one half-wit to do something like that. It doesn't reflect the fans' attitude in general from what I can see.

I've already dissected a copy of Sun Sport and spewed out its contents here so I'm not going to do it again, but it'd be worth noting that whatever amount of coverage they give to Dublin, they give more to Big Brother. Says a lot, I think.

Championship ties are decided by an open draw. While I suppose it's possible for this draw to be rigged I can't see to be honest. And look at the teams Dublin played last year: Longford (fair enough), Meath (big rivalry with Dublin so they were bound to be out in full force), Wexford (deemed then to be an up-and-coming side in Leinster), Laois (deemed then to be the best team in Leinster despite under-achieving) and Tyrone (recent All-Ireland champions who were threatening to go all the way, and did).

This year: Longford (again, but changed drastically from the team that played last year), Laois (still deemed to be a force, no one expected the hammering Dublin gave them), Offaly (said to have one of the best full-forward lines in the country).

Not to mention the fact that we came up against Kerry in the quarter-finals in 2004, and Armagh for the previous 2 years.

And I reckon most Cork fans would grudgingly support Dublin against Kerry, if the ones I know are anything to go on

Lemlin

Breezer wrote:

Championship ties are decided by an open draw. While I suppose it's possible for this draw to be rigged I can't see to be honest. And look at the teams Dublin played last year: Longford (fair enough), Meath (big rivalry with Dublin so they were bound to be out in full force), Wexford (deemed then to be an up-and-coming side in Leinster), Laois (deemed then to be the best team in Leinster despite under-achieving) and Tyrone (recent All-Ireland champions who were threatening to go all the way, and did).

This year: Longford (again, but changed drastically from the team that played last year), Laois (still deemed to be a force, no one expected the hammering Dublin gave them), Offaly (said to have one of the best full-forward lines in the country).

Not to mention the fact that we came up against Kerry in the quarter-finals in 2004, and Armagh for the previous 2 years.

And I reckon most Cork fans would grudgingly support Dublin against Kerry, if the ones I know are anything to go on

I have no qualms with you but you have twisted my point. My point was about the qualifier draw. Not the Championship draw.

Dublin got an easier qualifier draw than ever imaginable. London, Longford and Leitrim that year. You couldn't get much easier than those teams in that year and Dublin hockeyed them all while trying out a few squad players.

Nalced_irl

Lemlin wrote:

I have no qualms with you but you have twisted my point. My point was about the qualifier draw. Not the Championship draw.

Dublin got an easier qualifier draw than ever imaginable. London, Longford and Leitrim that year. You couldn't get much easier than those teams in that year and Dublin hockeyed them all while trying out a few squad players.

What i disagree with is that you think they get "way too much" coverage. Fact is, most of the countrys population is in Dublin so they may get slightly more. That is not way too much. Im not arguing that we all get exactly the same coverage to the very word in the paper or minute on TV, im saying that it is fairly equal.

Because Dublin played some easy teams last year, you have decided you want them to lose??? Good reasoning. If any other county got that run, would you decide the same? Of course not. To be honest, i know the GAA like Dublin to go far as it pays the bills however accusing them of rigging the draw (which was live on TV) is a bit over the top. You ever think the draw may just have gone that way?

The flare, fair enough, and i can understand people not liking the way the Hill can act at times, but again, not enough reason to want them to lose. This is probably about a handful of poeple in that stand that had anything to do with the flare so you can hardly decide to want us to lose because of that.

PS. Why do i care what cups you have held. I detest the way Tyrone have started to play over the last few years. Im delighted to see them out because 1. I think its good for the game that this style is quashed and 2. They are a threat and it makes 1 less tough team in the championship but if they were in my local club with the Sam and i got a photo taken, it does not mean anything.
Also, you know some of the players. My cousin plays for Meath, doesnt mean i want to see em win or anything like it.
PPS. With your "did you?" question, no i didnt hold the Delaney cup but i played with a few current Dublin players in my club back in the days when i played. Again, what this has to do with anything i really dont know.


Anyway, if you want your grudge against Dublin, fair enough. All i can say is, if i want any team to lose, it is because of the game they play or rivalry. As much as i dislike meath for rivalry reasons, i dont care if they win or lose accept against Dublin. Thats the way it should be. Care about your team winning and dont worry about others losing.

Nalced_irl

Breezer wrote:

I've already dissected a copy of Sun Sport and spewed out its contents here so I'm not going to do it again, but it'd be worth noting that whatever amount of coverage they give to Dublin, they give more to Big Brother. Says a lot, I think.

Spot on, tabloids print whatever they think will sell. Big Brother is big at the moment so they print it. Remember that a huge amount of the tabloid sales are in Dublin (nintey something percent i would say) so they print that to sell.

Breezer wrote:

And I reckon most Cork fans would grudgingly support Dublin against Kerry, if the ones I know are anything to go on

Surprisingly enough, my Dad is from Cork but i think he supports Kerry even against Cork!! Backwards or what!?

Breezer

Lemlin wrote:

I have no qualms with you but you have twisted my point. My point was about the qualifier draw. Not the Championship draw.

Dublin got an easier qualifier draw than ever imaginable. London, Longford and Leitrim that year. You couldn't get much easier than those teams in that year and Dublin hockeyed them all while trying out a few squad players.

Sorry, a misunderstanding there, my bad

I accept your point about that year, but still, it's an open(ish) draw (by "openish" I mean the rule where teams can't meet a second time until the semis. Can't remember if that played a part on this occasion. Still though, with the amount of teams in the qualifiers it'd be rare that it'd influence it too much). Sometimes it'll work out well for a team, other times it won't. Pure chance, unless we're venturing into the realms of conspiracy theories here

bassist

Dapos wrote:

I'd say ye are favourites to win leinster but i think it is gas how ye win one game and all of a sudden ye have the all-ireland practically won. Would dublin of beat the laois that played tyrone?

yes!

Lemlin

Nalced_irl wrote:

What i disagree with is that you think they get "way too much" coverage. Fact is, most of the countrys population is in Dublin so they may get slightly more. That is not way too much. Im not arguing that we all get exactly the same coverage to the very word in the paper or minute on TV, im saying that it is fairly equal.

Because Dublin played some easy teams last year, you have decided you want them to lose??? Good reasoning. If any other county got that run, would you decide the same? Of course not. To be honest, i know the GAA like Dublin to go far as it pays the bills however accusing them of rigging the draw (which was live on TV) is a bit over the top. You ever think the draw may just have gone that way?

The flare, fair enough, and i can understand people not liking the way the Hill can act at times, but again, not enough reason to want them to lose. This is probably about a handful of poeple in that stand that had anything to do with the flare so you can hardly decide to want us to lose because of that.

PS. Why do i care what cups you have held. I detest the way Tyrone have started to play over the last few years. Im delighted to see them out because 1. I think its good for the game that this style is quashed and 2. They are a threat and it makes 1 less tough team in the championship but if they were in my local club with the Sam and i got a photo taken, it does not mean anything.
Also, you know some of the players. My cousin plays for Meath, doesnt mean i want to see em win or anything like it.
PPS. With your "did you?" question, no i didnt hold the Delaney cup but i played with a few current Dublin players in my club back in the days when i played. Again, what this has to do with anything i really dont know.

Anyway, if you want your grudge against Dublin, fair enough. All i can say is, if i want any team to lose, it is because of the game they play or rivalry. As much as i dislike meath for rivalry reasons, i dont care if they win or lose accept against Dublin. Thats the way it should be. Care about your team winning and dont worry about others losing.

This wasn't last year. It was about two years or so ago. Do you not even remember who Dublin played last year?

My point is that, if I hated Dublin so much, why would two players from the squad care to bring the cup round to my cousin's house and have pictures taken with him and me? Surely if I was a Dub hater, as you claim, they wouldn't be seen near me.

I didn't say I wanted Dublin to lose. I said it is a feeling around the country in general and TBH, you backing down so much shows that you must feel I am correct.

As for the draw being live on TV, do you not remember the conspiracy that hangs over it? For example, jason Sherlock going to a Childline concert a few years back and announcing that Dublin were playing Kerry before the draw had even been announced!

Seeing as you can't even remember who Dublin played last year though, I suspect not.

Lemlin

Breezer wrote:

Sorry, a misunderstanding there, my bad

I accept your point about that year, but still, it's an open(ish) draw (by "openish" I mean the rule where teams can't meet a second time until the semis. Can't remember if that played a part on this occasion. Still though, with the amount of teams in the qualifiers it'd be rare that it'd influence it too much). Sometimes it'll work out well for a team, other times it won't. Pure chance, unless we're venturing into the realms of conspiracy theories here

When a team ever gets that easy a draw again, come back to me. I certainly haven't seen it since.

monosharp

dahooligan wrote:

Hey, maybe I am wrong forum, but who reckons Dublin are in with a shot of taking the Double, Leinster and All Ireland?
I reckon that would be a bet worth making! Can I bet on a double online?

What ?

A double = Winning Liam (Hurling) and Sam (Football) in the same year.

Where in gods name do you get the idea of winning a province and the all-ireland as a double ?

bassist

ooh my cousin plays for meath, i held the delaney, i know a few dublin players!:

Come on dude's stop acting like women!
you know if Cirain Whelan wasn't such a fouling scumbag id be playing for Dublin not only this year but the last five years. he broke my leg and i tore the ligaments in my knee. but hey at least i still get to watch the beautiful game!