Battle royal Remake

RAIN

I cant believe there going to do this ....boycott this movie !!! Just leave the classics alone !! how in the america we know today are they going to market , make or sell this movie as a pg13 idotised remake ??

Dont be at yourself

Oh good, we havent had a moan about remakes in a while!

RAIN

i Know but seriously its about kids killing each other ??...in america ....probly staring the guy with the stupid head from the o.c Its gna be ****e .....

Vegeta

RAIN wrote:

i Know but seriously its about kids killing each other ??...in america ....probly staring the guy with the stupid head from the o.c Its gna be ****e .....

do you have a link where i can read up on this

Dont be at yourself

i Know but seriously its about kids killing each other ??...in america ....probly staring the guy with the stupid head from the o.c Its gna be ****e .....

You know absolutely nothing about what the movie will be like, as nothing has been announced. Why are you getting your knickers in a twist? Some of the greatest movies have been remakes of other movies.

TerrorFirmer

I'd welcome this news. Battle Royale is a great film but it could be extremely entertaining if nothing more to see a geared up hollywood remake with all the bells and whistles. That said though, they wouldn't want to stray too far into Battle Royale II territory....twas a decent film, but paled majorly in comparison to the first, they went too far out with the storyline.

RAIN

Hey your rite i dont know anything about what its like and if you check back iv never cared about or bitched about remakes before HERE anyway its just seriously how can they make this movie in america ??
Heres the aintitcool story
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Hey folks, Harry here... Here's a project that could either be utterly fantastic or a steaming pile of ****. I know some of the folks involved in this film. Allegedly it's going to be an extremely Hard R - serious-minded Americanization of BATTLE ROYALE. Personally... in an ideal world... they'd hire Ed Neumeier and Michael Miner to adapt the script and Paul Verhoeven to direct. And they'd just turn them totally loose. Either that... or hire Larry Clark loose on this material and just set the world aflame. The scary part of this project is the tragically hip producer, Neal Moritz is producing... And that pretty much means any chance of this being an extremely hard-nosed brutal american telling of this Japanese classic... well is just about as sure as pissing a straight line outside during a hurricane. Not very likely. Let's hope for the best. At this point, there's no screenwriters and no director. It's just been reported that Neal Moritz and Roy Lee are producing at NEW LINE CINEMAS a remake of BATTLE ROYALE. Let us pray for the best!''

Goodshape

Similar to Havok, I'd actually be interested to see what they do. The original will always be there.

garred

I'm looking forward to this remake. I've liked what the yanks have done with some of their remakes (better than the originals in some cases). Battle Royale was a great concept with violence (kids on an island killing each other) for me it was'nt about mood, acting, story, etc, so I'd say that Hollywood might do it justice.

madrab

still dont get the ending of the movie

monkeyfudge

It can't be any worse than Battle Royale 2... which is almost virtually unwatchable garbage.... easily the worst sequel ever made.

super_furry

First The Wickerman, now this? Nuke Hollywood!

Necronomicon

I just wonder will they leave in that bizarre scene where

Takeshi Kitano gets shot, dies, but then gets up when his phone rings and pours himself a glass of milk. I said it before and I'll say it again, WTF?!?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

well

time to find bin laden and pledge my allegiance

Makaveli

Necromomicon wrote:

I just wonder will they leave in that bizarre scene where

Takeshi Kitano gets shot, dies, but then gets up when his phone rings and pours himself a glass of milk. I said it before and I'll say it again, WTF?!?

Funniest part of the fim, also he eats the last cookie he doesn't drink milk.

Crucifix

A remake will probably suck for anyone who saw/enjoyed the original, because the "wtf" value will be gone.

projectmayhem

Goodshape wrote:

Similar to Havok, I'd actually be interested to see what they do. The original will always be there.

that's true, but at the same time, the original is so good, and so recent, i don't see the point of a remake

Ivan

At worst, it'll be a crap filled, horridly twisted version of a Japanese classic, which I will never watch. At best, it might be a semi-decent remake of a classic movie, which might just put some other people on to seeking out the original.

In either case, its not that big a deal. I think we can all safely agree at this stage that hollywood is running out of ideas, I mean look at 'The Grudge' and the 'Ring' remakes, if it werent cheap advertising for some quality movies I would be genuinely sickened. Still, I'll hope for the best.

Oh and BR2 wasnt too bad...

Tar.Aldarion

Time to massacre my favourite film, woohoo!

BlitzKrieg

ughh...correct me if i am wrong but isnt the original battle royale banned (or at the least not properly distribuated) in the US?


-I remember something along the lines of school children slaughtering each other not to be something the american audience should see.

So I fear the remake will have 30 something year olds playing high school students who are all just over 18...

Call Me Jimmy

projectmayhem wrote:

that's true, but at the same time, the original is so good, and so recent, i don't see the point of a remake

I would imagine somebody sees an opportunity to make some serious
ka-ching off the back of a film that the vast majority of westerners haven't heard of, let alone seen.

Karl Hungus

NekkidBibleMan wrote:

Some of the greatest movies have been remakes of other movies.

In fairness, with the exception of the Thing, and a few others, what remakes are you refering to as "Some of the greatest movies"?

Patricide

O jaysus why lord why????

Dont be at yourself

In fairness, with the exception of the Thing, and a few others, what remakes are you refering to as "Some of the greatest movies"?

The Magnificent Seven? Heat? King Kong? Wasnt the 'original' preceded by a TV movie? And hasnt Star Wars oft been described as a remake of Kirosawa's Hidden Fortress?

Karl Hungus

NekkidBibleMan wrote:

The Magnificent Seven? Heat? King Kong? Wasnt the 'original' preceded by a TV movie? And hasnt Star Wars oft been described as a remake of Kirosawa's Hidden Fortress?

Granted, The Magnificent Seven is a great film, but The Seven Samurai is far better. But Heat? Yeah, decent film, but one of "The Greatest"? Not by a long shot. King Kong? I suppose, if you like a spectacle, you could do far worse. Star Wars being a remake of The Hidden Fortress is a bit tinfoil hattery to say the least. I assume you mean Heat/LA Takedown when you say the 'Original' being precedeed by a TV Movie?

Don't get me wrong now, as I've had a blog entry about how I love a good remake, mentioning of such films as The Fly and Invasion Of The Body Snatchers are remakes that are to me the definate versions. But come on, "Some Of The Greatest Movies" is a rather large stretch, you have to admit. Would you honestly consider Heat up there with Apocalypse Now?

Dont be at yourself

Sorry, by the 'original' being preceded by a TV movie I was referring to Ringu.

And yeah, I would say stand by my statement that certain remakes are amongst the finest movies ever made. The Magnificent Seven is a classic, as is The Thing. King Kong is the greatest blockbuster in the last 10 years. Heat is perhaps debatable, but the scenes between De Niro and Pachino, and that shoot-out contribute it to make it one of the more noteworthy movies of recent times - time will tell if it can be compared to true cinematic greats.

But hey, I say white, you say black. My original point was that it is ridiculous to slate a movie when next to nothing is known about it, just because it's a remake, and I guess we can at least agree on that one, yes?

ixoy

I think this one isn't the worst remake we could have. Granted, I was distinctly underwhelmed by the original, but the movie's concept should be easy to translate.

I imagine the university young adults (and it'll be a university prolly..), will have the usual assorted crew: the geeks, the jocks, the cheerleaders (one of whom is a nice person unlike her bitchy cohorts), etc. There wasn't too much personality, I found, in the original kids so it shouldn't be too much of a problem as long as they keep up with the idea of all the different weapons - from lids to machine guns. And of course the ever-decreasing survivor count and collars....

monkeyfudge

NekkidBibleMan wrote:

Sorry, by the 'original' being preceded by a TV movie I was referring to Ringu.

The film was the first adaptation I believe, they made it and Rasen at about the same time which are adaptations of the first 2 books. There was a rather dull TV series at one stage though, but it's never been released outside Japan as far as I know. Rasen was a flop, so they made another film which was a direct sequel to the first film and completely ignored the events in the book.

The Korean version, The Ring Virus, is probably the closest to the original book as it keeps in a lot of important elements about Sadako that were left out of the other versions.

Battle Royale is also originally a book by the way, so the US version doesn't actually have to be a remake, but another adaptation... but I doubt they'll go that way really... seeing as how the US Ring didn't go anywhere near the book and just borrowed the scares from the Japanese Ring.

TomCo

HavoK wrote:

could be extremely entertaining if nothing more to see a geared up hollywood remake with all the bells and whistles.

For shame Havok, for shame.

Incidentally I bough the Collectors Edition of Battle Royal in perfect condition at a market stall a few years ago for €10, score!

projectmayhem

TomCo wrote:

Incidentally I bough the Collectors Edition of Battle Royal in perfect condition at a market stall a few years ago for €10, score!

i paid like €30 for that

Call Me Jimmy wrote:

I would imagine somebody sees an opportunity to make some serious
ka-ching off the back of a film that the vast majority of westerners haven't heard of, let alone seen.

i like the idea of battle royale being cult though

BlitzKrieg

i checked up on Battle Royale being banned in the US, its not, just none of the distributors will touch it cause of its content. Hence the only versions available are pirated versions or the tarten version (which is the UK release).

Remember while I was in New York last year a bunch of american film students got their hands on battle Royale and where watching it in the hotel, the *hush* 'this film is impossible to find but i got a pirate copy' attitude the owner was expressing to his classmates in awe was entertaining to watch.

TerrorFirmer

Gamestop are selling Battle Royale II dvd with the cardboard outside glossy sleeve for 4.99 preowned. Bargin.

Grab it while you can.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

battle royale 2 hurt me, deep inside.

BlitzKrieg

Grab it while you can.

how about no

monkeyfudge

Grab it... nail it to a frisbie and fling it over a rainbow!

BlitzKrieg

i found a copy of tomb raider 2 on the street once...best damn dvd frisbee i ever had...

Karl Hungus

monkeyfudge wrote:

The film was the first adaptation I believe, they made it and Rasen at about the same time which are adaptations of the first 2 books. There was a rather dull TV series at one stage though, but it's never been released outside Japan as far as I know. Rasen was a flop, so they made another film which was a direct sequel to the first film and completely ignored the events in the book..

Nope, Nakey is correct in this reguard, as there's a 1995 TV Movie that came first. Rasen was filmed directly after Ring.

NekkidBibleMan wrote:

Sorry, by the 'original' being preceded by a TV movie I was referring to Ringu.

And yeah, I would say stand by my statement that certain remakes are amongst the finest movies ever made. The Magnificent Seven is a classic, as is The Thing. King Kong is the greatest blockbuster in the last 10 years. Heat is perhaps debatable, but the scenes between De Niro and Pachino, and that shoot-out contribute it to make it one of the more noteworthy movies of recent times - time will tell if it can be compared to true cinematic greats.

But hey, I say white, you say black. My original point was that it is ridiculous to slate a movie when next to nothing is known about it, just because it's a remake, and I guess we can at least agree on that one, yes?

Ok, I'll go as far as to say that certain remakes have been very standout films, because it's true, there have been some absolute classics. But as far as slating a movie because it's a remake, I don't agree.

First of all, there's a whole air of "It's not even been made yet, how do you know it's going to be crap?" going about, and it's not just yourself, but many people on many message boards who go in for this arguement. I think there's definetly a degree of predictability at work with a lot of films from a certain lot, if you follow me, and I don't think the current lot of Hollywood remakes is any different. Likewise, I'd have no bother going out on a limb and saying that if a film happens to be a Romantic Comedy staring Sandra Bullock, it's not going to be any good. The same with a lot of mediocre Horror movies coming from asia these days, a lot of them seem to be riding on the coat-tails of films like Ring, The Eye, A Tale Of Two Sisters and so on, with nothing original to offer. So while I've not seen Cello for example, I think I know exactly what to expect from it, another luke-warm South Korean ghost story.

Second of all, there's also a degree of predictability when you see the kind of talent that's being put forward for certain remakes. In the case of the Oldboy remake, the director of Annapolis and The Fast And The Furious: Tokyo Drift, Justin Lin was originally set to helm, but has since dropped out. I really don't think that with him in the director's chair that the film would have been any good. Infact, with the likes of Tokyo Drift in mind, I don't think it would be unfair of me to say that I know what kind of highly polished, limp, by-the-numbers Hollywood affair to expect.

Likewise, the Hollywood remake of The Eye from the writer of Gothika and Snakes On A Plane? 'Scuse me if I don't hold out for any rave reviews. I think it's all to do with who's involved. So while the previous films mentioned I wouldn't dignify with a cinema ticket, The Infernal Affairs Trilogy as directed by Martin Scorsese? Now I'm intruiged! It's certainly something I'm looking forward to seeing.

But at the end of the day, I'm really not bothered about yet another remake of an excellent Asian movie. And do you know why that is? Because most of these remakes are going nowhere. Oldboy has been in development hell for a long time now, and supposedly is all but cancelled. The Eye has also been in development for a long time now, with numerous directors dropping out. Hell, out of the dozens of remakes that were announced, very few have actually made it into the cinemas, namely The Ring, The Grudge, and Dark Water. I think after Dark Water bombed both commercially and critically, Hollywood has been quite anxious.

So, yet another Asian remake announced? I'll start worrying if it ever actually makes any progress past the announced stage.

Dont be at yourself

But as far as slating a movie because it's a remake, I don't agree.

OK, I do see your point. But, that being said, there's only so much of an opinion you can draw from such little information - and I dont think one should judge a book by it's cover, or a film by it's pre-production IMDB page! I mean the history of cinema is littered with actors and directors with a mediocre CV producing some surprisingly good films. Who could have honestly thought that Peter Jackson was capable of handling such a large-scale production like LotR, off the back of stuff like Braindead?

Yeah, I understand why people are sceptical of this remake. But I dont understand people already calling for boycotts and a nuclear strike on Hollywood.

As an aside, have you heard anything about nihon chimbotsu? It's some big-budget Japanese-made disaster movie where we get to see virtually every famous location of Japan blow up. Out here this weekend, woo-hoo!

Karl Hungus

NekkidBibleMan wrote:

OK, I do see your point. But, that being said, there's only so much of an opinion you can draw from such little information - and I dont think one should judge a book by it's cover, or a film by it's pre-production IMDB page! I mean the history of cinema is littered with actors and directors with a mediocre CV producing some surprisingly good films. Who could have honestly thought that Peter Jackson was capable of handling such a large-scale production like LotR, off the back of stuff like Braindead?

It's definetly presumptuous to say the least, but I'm always open to be suprised. I mean, the 2004 version of Dawn Of The Dead was excellent, and a remarkable effort for a first time director. The main thing that made the film so standout was that it was really it's own film, not a hollow impersonation of the original, like so many other by-the-numbers remakes.

I don't know, it's a little hard to put into words what's so objectionable about so many of these current remakes.

Peter Jackson producing LotR is a whole other can of worms though. Hell, you could just as easily say who expected him to direct Heavenly Creatures right after Braindead?

NekkidBibleMan wrote:

Yeah, I understand why people are sceptical of this remake. But I dont understand people already calling for boycotts and a nuclear strike on Hollywood.

Well, the very idea that a perfectly good film that's only just been out somehow needs the remake treatment is kind of insulting to both the subject matter and audiences. Recent remakes of Asian movies have been fairly poor films compared to the originals, with the remakes often overshadowing the superior originals, and I can understand how people don't want the same treatment for some other great films.

NekkidBibleMan wrote:

As an aside, have you heard anything about nihon chimbotsu? It's some big-budget Japanese-made disaster movie where we get to see virtually every famous location of Japan blow up. Out here this weekend, woo-hoo!

Nope, first I've heard of it. Let us know if it's any good though.

pbsuxok1znja4r

Karl Hungus wrote:

In the case of the Oldboy remake

In the case of the whatnow?! Please say it ain't so...If they do this they will be raping and defiling a part of me

I haven't seen BRI, but BRII was truly, truly awful nonsense, so good riddance to anything but the original.

Back in the day, hollywood did produce some truly great films that were re-makes. Hell, not even just hollywood, either; after "A Fistful Of Dollars" was released, Leone ended up in hot water over striking similarities with some Japanese film, the name of which eludes me right now. But that was back in the day...

I think it stands to reason that while re-makes may sometimes be good, they can never be quite as good as the original, for the same reasons as the original, anyway. (New developments in SFX and CG aside). Let it suffice to say that the ins and outs; the inherencies; the intricacies of the original reside in the brains of its original creators - not their contemporaries - giving the old-schoolers a distinct advantage.

Karl Hungus

scouser.tommy wrote:

In the case of the whatnow?! Please say it ain't so...If they do this they will be raping and defiling a part of me

Don't worry, the proposed remake has been all but shelved now.

Robbo

This is preposterous. Everyone who's ever read a thing on the internet knows that the Asian version of anything is always vastly superior.

There's no proof for it, but it's a scientifically proven INTERNET FACT.

Cactus Col

Sometimes it's hard to read threads about the asian film industry being more original than the west, especially considering the 28th Godzilla film was released only a couple of years ago

BlitzKrieg

Back in the day, hollywood did produce some truly great films that were re-makes. Hell, not even just hollywood, either; after "A Fistful Of Dollars" was released, Leone ended up in hot water over striking similarities with some Japanese film, the name of which eludes me right now. But that was back in the day...

the name that elludes you is Yojimbo...a great Kurasawa film.

monkeyfudge

Cactus Col wrote:

Sometimes it's hard to read threads about the asian film industry being more original than the west, especially considering the 28th Godzilla film was released only a couple of years ago

Ah... but you've got to think of him as the Japanese equivalent of James Bond.

adebisi

In relation to Battle Royale 2, the original director died half way thru, and his son took over, hence the almost ridiculous change of genre half way thru and the crapness of it all.

Remaking Battle Royale is a bad thing, imo, as someone said earlier, the premise of the film is something that rings very close to the heart in some parts of the States, so any remake would need to tread carefully around that, meaning that people into the original wont be into the remake at all. So just dont touch it (although it probably will end up in devolepment hell and be forgotten about.)

Cactus Col

monkeyfudge wrote:

Ah... but you've got to think of him as the Japanese equivalent of James Bond.

okay ... but only if I can think of the zatoichi films as the asian equivalent of carry on films.

(there were 27 zatoichi films if you count the one released a couple of years ago)

Ivan

Cactus Col wrote:

okay ... but only if I can think of the zatoichi films as the asian equivalent of carry on films.

(there were 27 zatoichi films if you count the one released a couple of years ago)

The one released by Takeshi Kitano that was simultaneously a quality samurai film and a fun musical type masterpiece...

Compared with the long awaited return of the "Carry on" series

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0447886/

Carry on London, staring Vinnie Jones, to say the least...

Wait, what was your point again...?

monkeyfudge

Who cares what the point was... It has led me to fantasize about a movie called Carry On Godzilla.


Ooooooh... Mothra!

Karl Hungus

Cactus Col wrote:

okay ... but only if I can think of the zatoichi films as the asian equivalent of carry on films.

(there were 27 zatoichi films if you count the one released a couple of years ago)

No, you're not allowed to think Zatoichi is the equivalent of Carry On films. Sorry.

Cactus Col

I'm thinking it anyway!

I can't remember what my original point was ..... something about the asian film industry not being any more original than the western film industry, they are just as prone to sequels and remakes as anyone else.