Alien 5

berengar

Anyone know if the rumours about Ridley Scott wanting to do this are true ?

It would be great if he could do one more just to try and redeem ALien4 which was a big pile of ****e.

Or even if Cameron would do it , it could be good with the right script.

NutJob

After the las 2 alien filma + alien vs preditor it has to be dead

berengar

Yeah, well Ive also heard talk of an AVP2 ....

The Bollox

Cameron ftw

Necronomicon

I've never understood the hatred towards Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. They were good damn it!

Karl Hungus

Necromomicon wrote:

I've never understood the hatred towards Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. They were good damn it!

While I'm with you on Alien 3, I just cannot agree with Resurrection. I truly found it to be a genuine pile of crap.

Vokes

Pretty sure AvP2 is on the way in 2007.

Zombrex

Necromomicon wrote:

I've never understood the hatred towards Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. They were good damn it!

Alien 3 is just not a great movie compared to Alien and Aliens. Alien Ressurection is pants ... the bit at the end with the Queen and the hybrid ... just pants ...

I would say Alien 5 is going to be crap, but I doubt Weaver would sign up to it after the reception Alien Resurection got.

Karl Hungus

I think at this stage, we'd sooner see a remake than another sequel.

BlitzKrieg

the rumour was (and it had many sources)

that before AvP was officially announced, James Cameron and Ridley Scott started talks about doing a Alien 5 together. James Cameron would write it and Ridley Scott would direct. But when AVP was announced the two of them took very big steps away from the franchise.


I'm kind of glad (and disapointed) that it never went anywhere. One of my favourite things about the alien franchise is that they get a fresh director for every sequel, and its usually an excellent director too.


Aliens -James Cameron -fresh from doing Terminator (his first big movie)
Alien 3 -Fincher -alien 3 was actually his first big film (went on to do seven etc)
Alien Resurrection -jean pierre jeunet (did city of lost children)


regardless of how you feel about the films, one must respect a series that allows a fresh look at the material from a director with some credibility (another reason why AVP is oh so bad)


and my opinion Alien 3 is fantastic, and alien resurrection is good enough until the last 20 or so minutes...then it gets really bad.

berengar

yeah I agree, Alien 3 wasn´t bad but Alien4 ****e, Scott said on the DVD commentery on Alien (I think) that if he was to make another Alien film he would like to have it set at the planet they are from.. interesting idea..

BlitzKrieg

Alien film he would like to have it set at the planet they are from

I personnally wouldnt want that, I like the fact that they are these creatures that appear in the deepest darkest cornors of space...sort of a intergalatic boogey man.

setting it on earth or the alien homewolrd, kills alot of the mystery and fear of the creatures.

esp. if they go the route the comics did, revealing that the aliens were kept in check on the homeworld by other species, sort of deflated the creatures.

projectmayhem

BlitzKrieg wrote:

I personnally wouldnt want that, I like the fact that they are these creatures that appear in the deepest darkest cornors of space...sort of a intergalatic boogey man.

ridley scotts idea was intriguing though. he wanted to go from where alien resurrection left off, and have ripley track down where the aliens come from, to destroy them... but in some way cause some sort of plot loop that links the last film to the first film, ending the series

BlitzKrieg

I'm curious to the last part, cause time travel doesnt fit in well with the universe they built. (I mean cloning sure...but time travel noooo) unless its a metaphorical loop. (she becomes the pilot of a intersteller ship full of the last alien eggs.)

DOLEMAN

Why do we need Ripley? I only care about the Aliens!

mike65

Alien 5 would have all the merit of Police Academy 6

Mike.

BlitzKrieg

Cause Ripley is one of the few female horror stars you can actually believe in or respect...even if she gottens too old, they have to have her in it so she can go down like Ahab and they'll need someone interesting to replace her (not some tart with big tits or some uber big rising star). Someone with staying power.

-I actually thought the idea of having winona ryder sort of taking the torch was a good idea when i first heard about Alien 4, but when she did such a dreadful job at the character, i quickly withdrew my support.



(sidenote: the alien franchise as you may have guessed is the only movie franchise that i am a 100% total fanboy of, so on this sort of thread expect alot of comments from me.)

Pugsley

I thought alien3 the origional release was OK, not too great and not a touch on the 2 that came before, but an enjoyable film, but if you watch the directors cut one in the Alien Quadrilogy the full film is excellent and is definately on par with the 2 before it. Alien Ressurection isnt a real film, theres only been 3 alien films *repeats indefinately*. I'd be curiously cautious about an Alien5, Id want to see it but would wait for reviews first, but regardless of how bad of reviews it got I'd end up seeing it at some point.

ixoy

Pugsley wrote:

I thought alien3 the origional release was OK, not too great and not a touch on the 2 that came before, but an enjoyable film, but if you watch the directors cut one in the Alien Quadrilogy the full film is excellent and is definately on par with the 2 before it. Alien Ressurection isnt a real film, theres only been 3 alien films *repeats indefinately*.

Did you just read my mind and post what I was going to post? You've got it perfect there - Alien 3 ("Director's 'Envisaged' Cut") is the perfect ending to the Alien Trilogy. That's right - trilogy...

Patricide

Ok dont kill me for sayiong this but the alien franchise really really confuses me, im pretty sure ive seen them all but i dont know which one is which.can someone tell me which was which and if im missing one.
Alien
aliens
alien 3
alien resurection

Is that right? So confusing, and no im not counting that abomination aliens vs predator.

BlitzKrieg

Alien -Directed by Ridley Scott

The first in the series, introduces the basic xenomorph that is present in all the films. Also introduces Ripley the main protaganist. A ship transporting raw materials (think oil tanker on galactic scale) stops at a uninhabited planet to respond to a distress beacon. and if you've seen it you know the rest.

Aliens -directed by James Cameron

The second, which as you can guess from the title has multiple aliens, introduces the Alien Queen and the Marines, is a staple of Hollywood action films of the 80's the design of the space marines has been copied by so many other films, computer games etc etc. Hold the honour of being one of the few films which as a sequel is of the same standard, if not better then the original. Its also a rarity in that its an action film that was nominated an oscar for best actress. (which Weaver won a number of years later for Gorilla's in the Mist)


Alien 3 -Directed by David Fincher

The third film and one of two that are heavily slated. The film went through production hell and back, starting filming without a script (original script was dropped) the film suffered reshoots and technical problems galore. David Fincher has sworn off studio shoots because of his experiances of making Alien 3 and disowned it.

The film is set on a prison planet, with a new type of Xenomorph that suits a more animal stance to the original. nicknamed the 'dog alien/runner' Weaver goes bald for the film and in the end

kills herself to stop the alien within her from being born

-Fans hate this film for many reasons, the biggest being that massive plot hole in the films entire plot that hangs over it. (even the directors cut doesnt explain it)
-The Directors cut changes numerous events in the films and expands the characters, this solves the second major criticsm of alien 3, no one cared about any of the characters, they all looked the same (and as one review put it) were all British so the viewer couldnt care less if they were all killed.
-Despite this Alien 3 does have the largest number of on screen deaths in all the alien films.
-Another appeal of the directors cut is that it showed off the extent of the visual appeal of the film, which equals if not betters the other alien films in its representation of arse end of the universe.
-has actually become more popular since the success of Seven and Fight Club


Alien Resurrection -directed by Jean-Pierre Jeunet.

Set hundreds of years after alien 3, Ripley is cloned and a new group of aliens break loose on a military spaceship, Ripley tries escaping with a group of pirates, only to find her Dna has mixed with the alien queen's giving it the ability to give birth to a new breed of Alien.

-Universally panned for its new alien creature the 'newborn'
-The director actually warned the studio that he couldnt do a alien film, that it would become a dark comedy under his guidence.
-Is actually written by Joss Whedon spot elements of his Firefly crew in the characters of this film, and another reason for the films more humour based plot line over the previous films.




Trivia of the Alien series:
-The Alien Franchise, despite being owned by a Hollywood American studio has never had an American Director at its helm. So far the Alien series has had 2 British directors (Fincher, Scott), one Canadian (Cameron) and a French director (Jeunet). IF you include AVP there have been 3 British Directors.
-For 3 of the 4 directors, the Alien films was there first step into Hollywood mainstream cinema. Only Cameron who did Terminator previously had any experiance of Hollywood.

pearsquasher

I think it's pretty much agreed that Ms. Weaver screwed up the alien franchise with the daftness that ensued with that hybrid yokey in AR. She did the unthinkable and messed with the alien life-cycle, a sacred cow in the series - i mean the whole point was that they're aliens. As Ash says in Alien - "i admire their purity" (ie. unlike humans, his flawed creators).

There was a chance for alien redemption with the AVP movie but it lacked so much of the style and solid scritping of the first 2 films and the predator movie combined that it can be fairly disregarded and i feel they could redo the basic premise - pradators hunting aliens with humans in between - in the future.

So A5? Well there's a whole world open up. You could continue from either aleins, a3 or AR and and get away with it if the movie was good enough and had the calibre of Scott or Cameron at its helm. You could bring in the alien pilot species from the first movie, like the comics do and open up a whole new dimension. As for Weaver... she messed things up so much for me i don't mind if she's out of it.

Basic ingredients required for A5:
- don't mess with the alien life-cycle idea. They hunt, capture, impregnate and chest bust and there's a queen and they're cunning and in multitudes
- the company should be equally devious and present in the films
- weapons, war, and tons of suspense.
- predators are welcome but not if they're now hunting in the bloody ice as we all know they're heat driven
- androids are another common theme
- i like the a "chestbusters mimic their hosts habits" idea in alien3.. a nice touch
- a retrospective on alien would be perfect.. how the alien ship got there.. did the company know about it origionally etc, who are these shipwreck aliens and why'd they crash. Just my thoughts!

TerrorFirmer

Necromomicon wrote:

I've never understood the hatred towards Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. They were good damn it!

I thought Resurrection was very enjoyable, Alien 3....the less said the better.

berengar

Alien 3
"-Fans hate this film for many reasons, the biggest being that massive plot hole in the films entire plot that hangs over it. (even the directors cut doesnt explain it)"


Can someone remind me what this plot hole was ?

Hugh Hefner

I've always loved 3 (and this thread really makes me want to pick up the boxset to see the Director's Cut) and enjoyed Ressurection, though realised it was inferior. It's still better than most sci-fi horrors today. Actually, I can't remember the last time there was a good sci-fi horror film. Event Horizon? Resident Evil? Help me here.

ixoy

berengar wrote:

Alien 3
"-Fans hate this film for many reasons, the biggest being that massive plot hole in the films entire plot that hangs over it. (even the directors cut doesnt explain it)"


Can someone remind me what this plot hole was ?

I'm assuming it refers to the fact that there was

an alien egg on board the Sulaco even though there was no real occasion for it to be placed there - even when the alien queen got on board, she had no time to lay eggs and her birthing sac had been incinerated on LV-426

Oh and most alien fans I know of, really like Alien 3 when you have the director's imagined cut (can't call it a director's cut really since Fincher had nothing to do with it but this is what they thought he was going for...).

berengar

oh yeah, of course that is a big hole isn´t it.

How was the directors cut different (at the end) then the cinema release ?

ixoy

berengar wrote:

oh yeah, of course that is a big hole isn´t it.

How was the directors cut different (at the end) then the cinema release ?

In a big way - there's far far better character development, for starts - you actually get to know some of the inmates.

There's a better focus on what

the loss of Newt

means to Ripley.

There's a lot more atmosphere and the story flows better. There's a full list of the scenes restored here for your perusal.

sutty

ummm... correct me if I am wrong. But Joss Whedan wrote a rough draft script that was not used. Just like Kevin Smith did for Superman Returns.

I always thought it was just a face hugger that got on the lifeboat. Not an egg. Its been a while since I seen 3 so I cant remember really.

madrab

yeah there were 2 eggs on the sulaco, but i think it makes sence to just ignore the eggs & pretend that a couple of face huggers were with the queen

i really liked resurection

iregk

Question for all the Alien fans. I was just discussing this with a mate and we couldn't figure it out/don't know.

Q: How did the alien race start?

What I know of the species they have a queen who lays eggs. Out of these eggs come face huggers who need a body to implant an egg that bursts out of the chest and is the alien as we know it. Now if they need bodies how on earth did they come about in the first place? Not just that but how did the Queen come about in the first place?

To me its a touch chicken and egg. Anyone know?

ixoy

madrab wrote:

i really liked resurection

Have got to ask - why? It was very different in tone from the trilogy - more lighter, more action pased and thus felt removed from the universe they had created. Additionally having several hundred years past, removing the whole Weyland-Yutani angle also took from the parallel story of corporate greed ("I don't know which species is worse - you don't seem f**king each other over for a goddamn percentage).

Ripley was a sort of pale imitation of herself (yes I know that's what she sort of is) but it didn't feel like any real character development.

And of course there's the alien hybrid thing, which spits in the face of what we've learned of the alien life-cycle, ignoring it for a chance for some artist to ruin Geiger's creation.

Add to that a cast of extremely weak supporting characters and the whole enterprise felt like it was made by someone who had only the flimsiest familiarity with the series...

TerrorFirmer

ixoy wrote:

Have got to ask - why? It was very different in tone from the trilogy - more lighter, more action pased and thus felt removed from the universe they had created. Additionally having several hundred years past, removing the whole Weyland-Yutani angle also took from the parallel story of corporate greed ("I don't know which species is worse - you don't seem f**king each other over for a goddamn percentage).

Ripley was a sort of pale imitation of herself (yes I know that's what she sort of is) but it didn't feel like any real character development.

And of course there's the alien hybrid thing, which spits in the face of what we've learned of the alien life-cycle, ignoring it for a chance for some artist to ruin Geiger's creation.

Add to that a cast of extremely weak supporting characters and the whole enterprise felt like it was made by someone who had only the flimsiest familiarity with the series...

On a basic level it was a kick ass sci-fi action movie in a genre thats fairly boring these days....Compared against the franchise in general it does pale but its a completely different kind of experience, but all the better for it...

On the note of Sci-Fi/horror movies, I don't know if it counts as such, but Starship Troopers/SST2 were the best attempts I've seen in recent years. The second one in particular is much more focused on an "Alien" type senario rather then an intergalactic war and I thought it was great.

The rip off of Alien/Predator from NuImage, "Creature", was pretty good also in my opinion. Bit - in fact VERY - like Alien Resurrection.

I'm sure there are plenty other decent Sci-Fi/horror movies that came out recently I'm overlooking.

But "Doom" isn't one of them...

lostexpectation

so this isn't a new rumour,

there has to be aliens on earth film, I love to see them rampaging down a leafy suburb

Pugsley

For A:R you also cant forget that completely rediculous bouncing bullets off the pipes to shoot a guy in the head, and

making a shotgun out of a wheelchair, WTF?!

, A:R was all style and no substance, I couldnt take it seriously at all because I was too busy biting back tears at this abomination, between cringing.

BlitzKrieg

ummm... correct me if I am wrong. But Joss Whedan wrote a rough draft script that was not used. Just like Kevin Smith did for Superman Returns.

nope...he wrote it. check it on imdb.

Dan O'Bannon (characters) and
Ronald Shusett (characters)

Joss Whedon (written by)

-what was changed (and its a big part i feel) was his vision of the newborn, he wanted it to be a four legged albino skull like Alien. Not the crap we ended with.

Can someone remind me what this plot hole was ?

It was the Egg on the Sulaco...and the fact that for unexplained reasons there are more then one facehugger running around. The film never addressed this. There was an explanation planned...but it was never implemented. It was meant to be a Special Facehugger which has the Queen Alien's larva, but also a second sack to carry another alien to protect her. It is briefly (ever briefly) shown in the Extended cut.

I thought Resurrection was very enjoyable, Alien 3....the less said the better.

I'll never understand your taste in films.

projectmayhem

Pugsley wrote:

For A:R you also cant forget that completely rediculous bouncing bullets off the pipes to shoot a guy in the head, and

making a shotgun out of a wheelchair, WTF?!

, A:R was all style and no substance, I couldnt take it seriously at all because I was too busy biting back tears at this abomination, between cringing.

honestly i enjoyed A:R. of course it's no where near the calbur of the first three (i, unlike some it seems, thought alien3 was a great piece of film). yeah it was stupid... yeah it had moments that really should have been put on the cutting room floor, but overall, i enjoyed it for what it was.

garred

^ I agree. Was'nt as good as the other 3 (liked Aliens best) but was a hell of a lot better than some of the tripe that is out there. I have that 8 disk set so must get around to watching the extras, is the commentary any good?

projectmayhem

garred wrote:

^ I agree. Was'nt as good as the other 3 (liked Aliens best) but was a hell of a lot better than some of the tripe that is out there. I have that 8 disk set so must get around to watching the extras, is the commentary any good?

commentary provides a good few revelations (well, wouldn't go that far... more insights) but if i recall correctly, they're not all as fun as i like commentaries to be (i.e. bunch of people in the same room chatting)

BlitzKrieg

best thing about the boxset are the making of documentaries...probably some of the best i ever saw...esp. the Alien 3 one where everyone is trying to explain how all the problems popped up.

Hugh Hefner

BlitzKrieg wrote:

esp. the Alien 3 one where everyone is trying to explain how all the problems popped up.

Haha, that even sounds good.

Just to be sure, you are all talking about this boxset, right?

projectmayhem

Hugh Hefner wrote:

Haha, that even sounds good.

Just to be sure, you are all talking about this boxset, right?

yeah, i remember buying that for €80 or so :mad:

there's another version that looks like an alien head, which is VERY cool

garred

Paid around the same myself from dvdsoon (back when they were a decent crowd). Will check out the "making of" featurettes tonight so.

humanji

iregk wrote:

Question for all the Alien fans. I was just discussing this with a mate and we couldn't figure it out/don't know.

Q: How did the alien race start?

What I know of the species they have a queen who lays eggs. Out of these eggs come face huggers who need a body to implant an egg that bursts out of the chest and is the alien as we know it. Now if they need bodies how on earth did they come about in the first place? Not just that but how did the Queen come about in the first place?

To me its a touch chicken and egg. Anyone know?

There is a breed of wasp (not sure of the name or where to find them), that sting tarantulas and lay eggs in them. The tarantula happily goes about it's life, as a wasp larvae grows and slowly eats the tarantula from the inside. When it comes to term, it bursts out of the tarantula and flies off. Sound familiar?

So if you can figure out how this breed of wasp came about, then you'll have a reasonable answer to your question.

LegacyUser

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/546775

Lemming

If you read the Alien3 novel (which I did before I could see the movie), it kind of explains the whole Sulacco thing.

AFAIK, and I'll need to verify this from novel and various other things, an egg got planted inside the landing gear of the drop ship. The face hugger inside finds the cryo-tubes and tries to get into newts, cracking the glass and getting stabbed fatally by splinters of glass and then spewing acid all over the deck, which melts into critical components and starts the fire that ultimately destroys the Sulacco.

It also explains why newt drowned, since her cryo-tube wasn't sealed when the life-boat crash-landed in water.

Necronomicon

projectmayhem wrote:

yeah, i remember buying that for €80 or so :mad:

there's another version that looks like an alien head, which is VERY cool

Saw it in HMV when I was in dublin a few weeks back, it's unreal. It took me all my willpower not to take a little trip to my bank.

http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=12;-1;-1;-1&sku=363926

/me drools....

Hugh Hefner

Necromomicon wrote:

http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=12;-1;-1;-1&sku=363926

/me drools....

It's a good bit cheaper on Play.com: http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/872530/Alien_Quadrilogy_Alien_Head_Limited_Edition_Box_Set/Product.html

Maybe becasue of their sale?

Patricide

Thanks blitzkrieg for the unconfusion paragraph, as for all the films for 27.50 i may just go for it.

SirLemonhead

Pugsley wrote:

I thought alien3 the origional release was OK, not too great and not a touch on the 2 that came before, but an enjoyable film, but if you watch the directors cut one in the Alien Quadrilogy the full film is excellent and is definately on par with the 2 before it. Alien Ressurection isnt a real film, theres only been 3 alien films *repeats indefinately*. I'd be curiously cautious about an Alien5, Id want to see it but would wait for reviews first, but regardless of how bad of reviews it got I'd end up seeing it at some point.

I'm a big Alien 3 fan too...In fact i'd rather watch it over Alien..:o

I'd rather they just left the series alone at this point.

TerrorFirmer

Has anyone seen "Creature"/"Alien Lockdown"?

Anyone who likes Alien and/or Predator really should check it out.

Its the most blatant rip off of Alien I've EVER seen, and some predator thrown in for good measure as well....have a look at these screens, anyone recognise some familar "faces"?

It cost me 30 dollars to import it at the time - wasn't R2 at the time anyway and I don't know if it is yet either - but it was worth it !















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Probably the biggest thing I noticed about the film is how everyone miraculously squeezed every penny bone ****ing dry outta their meager B-movie budget. ALIEN LOCKDOWN really impresses on a technical and aesthetic level that's rarely seen in this particular type of genre filmmaking. Simply put, TIM COX and company are either money managing genuises or they conned the set and prop department (or maybe even the actors) to work for nearly nothing. Or the producers themselves raided every sci-fi movie storage locker they can find around Hollywood and drug it all back to the set of their film. I mean, everything looks exceptional. From the snazzy hi-tech guns (can anyone say ALIENS Pulse Rifle?) to the anime styled E-SWAT body armor to the eerie black faceless visors of the chopper pilots, everything just simply looks good. And this is certainly one of the main reasons that the movie goes over so well.