Morgans fuel.?

vectra

Anyone got any views on this stuff?? (Where's coolwings? )

Morgans Fuel


Blends.


The reason I ask is because I have been informed the the particular Tornado 25% I have got is the "Sar" version and not the "Monster Truck and Buggy" version
The difference being as far as I know is the car one has 8% Oil
The Monster Truck/Buggy stuff has 12% oil
My one apparently is not the best for cooling.

Now I will use it up in my 2.5r engine but i am dubious about putting it in my new 3.3 to run it in.
I was going to let the 3.3 run in on the remains of the Model technics 16% and then use up my Blue Thunder 20%

After that it will be a case of "What do I use now?"

A) Drive to waterford { 60 Miles each way} for MT16% ( or 25%)
Drive to Limerick { 60 Miles each way}for Tornado ( making sure it is the MT/Buggy nitro this time)
OR
C) Try Noel Barret's in Cork ( only 20 Miles each way0 foir some Morgans Sidewinder 25% ( 125 oil)

Cheers

coolwings

Quotes:
"... worldwide recognition "
"... the ultimate performance fuel"
" ... phenomenal heart-thumping ride to those prepared to take it! "
" ... obsessive about raw power"
" ... combustion enhancer without overheating or pre-ignition"
" ... a stealthy additive that will not show up"

WOW ! This guy can really write! If I get some of this all my problems will disappear? It's on the internet so it must be true.
(BTW Will it improve my you know what as well? )

More seriously - It's ok stuff. They really push the boat out to sponsor competitors, so a disproportionate number of magazine photo ops will feature users of coolpower, esp heli users.

I don't buy it cos it costs more than the ModTech GoGlo + I use. However I have no criticism of it performance wise, just the price.

You're right - in Cork Noel does it (I suspect Omega) but poss Coolpower also.

vectra

Decisions..Decisions..

is Omega an ok fuel in terms of performance?
How about i go for something like 25% Model Technics.. ( or what blend would you reccomend for Sheer Power):D

coolwings

vectra wrote:

... or what blend would you reccomend for Sheer Power):D....

No question about the ultimate mix for sheer power. It has been proven in unlimited racing long ago.

Originally called Wildcat by the racing fraternity, but now some smart alecs in the US or is it OZ are selling a fuel branded under the same name, NOT THE RACING BLEND WILDCAT IS JUST ORDINARY AND VERY VERY EXPENSIVE FUEL so we now have to sell the race mix under the newer name Go Glo Turbo.

2 blends

Blend 1 Goglo trubo 30
35% nitro, 20% EDL synthetic (the best) oil, 2% castor oil, 43% methanol 99.99% purity.

Blend 2 Goglo Turbo 65
65% nitro, 20% EDL synthetic oil, 4% castor oil, 11% methanol

Despite the doubling of the nitro - goglo turbo 65% is only maybe 1/2% more performance than goglo turbo 35%

vectra

coolwings wrote:

2 blends
Blend 1 Goglo trubo 30
35% nitro, 20% EDL synthetic (the best) oil, 2% castor oil, 43% methanol 99.99% purity.

35% ..!! :eek:
Would that be a bit high?

coolwings wrote:

Blend 2 Goglo Turbo 65
65% nitro, 20% EDL synthetic oil, 4% castor oil, 11% methanol

Despite the doubling of the nitro - goglo turbo 65% is only maybe 1/2% more performance than goglo turbo 35%

I only want to drive it.. i dont want to stick wings on it and fly it around

Plug

65% nitro:eek: That would blow the engines to smideriums.

vectra

I was just looking on Green Model and Hobbies website and noticed this
HIGH COOLING MIXES
High in cooling ability for running in new and tight high revving engines esp. cars:
Long Life & Running-In
1 litre
8.95


Would that be what i am looking for to run the 3.3 in with and maybe get a high(ish) % and stay running on it?

OR
Would i be fine to just run this from day one?
Supaglow 20
20% nitro
4.551 L
1 gall
31.50

Plug

vectra wrote:

I was just looking on Green Model and Hobbies website and noticed this
HIGH COOLING MIXES
High in cooling ability for running in new and tight high revving engines esp. cars:
Long Life & Running-In
1 litre
8.95

I'd run the engine on that stuff first better not risk it on high % nitro.

vectra wrote:

Would that be what i am looking for to run the 3.3 in with and maybe get a high(ish) % and stay running on it?

OR
Would i be fine to just run this from day one?
Supaglow 20
20% nitro
4.551 L
1 gall
31.50

20% is a bit hard for a new engine I would think.

vectra

Plug wrote:

I'd run the engine on that stuff first better not risk it on high % nitro.

20% is a bit hard for a new engine I would think.

Remember that I ran in my 2.5r revo engine on Blue Thunder 20% and that thing is "buzzing"

Ran the T-Maxx engine in on MT16% and that thing is "DEAD"

Makes you wonder about %

Plug

vectra wrote:

Remember that I ran in my 2.5r revo engine on Blue Thunder 20% and that thing is "buzzing"

Ran the T-Maxx engine in on MT16% and that thing is "DEAD"

Makes you wonder about %

Yeah I know what your saying MT are basically sh!t. They are in fact not the best make on the planet, its probly made in a shed somewhere in north England. Blue thunder, side winder, o Donnell and traxxas topfuel are probly the best out there but look at the price, like you paid E60 for a gallon of stuff, I'd rather drink a gallon of piss than pay for that. I know its good fuel but c'mon, go to America and tell them you paid that much and they'll laugh at you and then give you the lethal injection. Right I amit it Mt are crap towards all these fancy rocket fuels but I save a good bit buying model technics. My T-maxx can shift into second and wheelie on the stuff(yours can't:p:D), maybe its down to my good tuning more than anything else:D
End of rambling;)

vectra

Plug wrote:

My T-maxx can shift into second and wheelie on the stuff

Wheres the Video evidence of that?

Plug

Ah don't worry if I ever get my hands on a video camera I'll show you first:p:D

vectra

Plug wrote:

Ah don't worry if I ever get my hands on a video camera I'll show you first:p:D

Use your phone same as I do.. :rolleyes:

Plug

Don't have a video phone but goldwing does. As soon as I get a engine mount and the weather cleers I'll show you;)

vectra

Plug wrote:

Don't have a video phone but goldwing does. As soon as I get a engine mount and the weather cleers I'll show you;)

Ah.
That engine mount
Look at Kevin's Post on here with stuff for sale
He has some leftover T-Maxx parts. Just might be a mount there.

Plug

I PM'ed him the other day, no luck:(

vectra

Plug wrote:

I PM'ed him the other day, no luck:(

And what about the one I pointed out to you on Ebay?

LOL
I hope Fobia dont look in on this post..
I startet off with.
Morgan fuel
went to
Wheelies
Engine mount
and now to Ebay

Plug

vectra wrote:

And what about the one I pointed out to you on Ebay?

LOL
I hope Fobia dont look in on this post..
I startet off with.
Morgan fuel
went to
Wheelies
Engine mount
and now to Ebay

I might get one friday if I come up on some dosh.
Yeah when you look at it, its kinda changed a bit:D

Fobia

Whenever my name's mentioned I feel an odd need to post.

I look in on ALL posts, literally

vectra

Fobia wrote:

Whenever my name's mentioned I feel an odd need to post.

Maybe we just enjoy reading you posts so use the excuse to get you on here..

coolwings

vectra wrote:

35% ..!! :eek:
Would that be a bit high?

I have used it myself in racing boats - very high power, beats other performance pre-made blends too!

Plug wrote:

65% nitro:eek: That would blow the engines to smideriums.

Not if you pay enough attention to cooling, we had water cooled heads, for a heatsink head you would place a fan blowing the air onto it.

vectra wrote:

I was just looking on Green Model and Hobbies website and noticed this....Would that be what i am looking for to run the 3.3 in with and maybe get a high(ish) % and stay running on it?

That has xero nitro - I reckon you would find 5% an easier starter to run it in on.

vectra wrote:

Supaglow 20

Supaglo is Model Technics version of the high power blend. Must say I prefer GoGlo Turbo myself.

Plug wrote:

Yeah I know what your saying MT are basically sh!t. .... not the best make on the planet,.... Right I amit it Mt are crap towards all these fancy rocket fuels

Very interesting Plug - Maybe I should tell the 800 happy users of Model Technics fuel in Ireland that they should contact you to learn what they are doing wrong? By the way ...how many of Model Technics various blends of fuel have you personally used to base this opinion on? How many engines have you used for your testing before you let us in these "facts" ?

vectra

coolwings wrote:

I have used it myself in racing boats - very high power, beats other performance pre-made blends too!
Not if you pay enough attention to cooling, we had water cooled heads, for a heatsink head you would place a fan blowing the air onto it.

That has xero nitro - I reckon you would find 5% an easier starter to run it in on.
Supaglo is Model Technics version of the high power blend. Must say I prefer GoGlo Turbo myself.

OK
I just checked my stock

I have about 1 1/2 Litres of MT 16% GoGlo

about less than one litre of Blue thunder 20% Race Formula

And under 2 gallons of Tornado 25% ( which I am now wary of after discovering that it has only 8% oil )
Would it be possible to put a few drops of "castor oil" into a bottle with some of this and mix it to give better protection? ( remember you were saying about a teaspoon of oil on another thread?)

Now.

When I put in my 3.3
Can I
A) run out this 16% that I have then progress to the 20% and run that out?
That should bring it to around 10 tanks or so and should be good and ran in by then.
Carry on with my Tornado 25% after that ( pure or mixed with castor oil)

OR

What would you suggest ?
Run it in on 5%
then get some of you 20% ( or higher?)

OR
make a suggestion.

@ Plug.
Have you got the run in procedure for these engines?

Plug

coolwings wrote:

Very interesting Plug - Maybe I should tell the 800 happy users of Model Technics fuel in Ireland that they should contact you to learn what they are doing wrong? By the way ...how many of Model Technics various blends of fuel have you personally used to base this opinion on? How many engines have you used for your testing before you let us in these "facts" ?

I have used 2 different MT blends one of which overheated my engine siverly. I used Dynoglow on a Cen engine, no go but worked with my T-maxx. All these good brands are blended by proper people who win proper races not some cheap race in england fianced by MT:D

vectra

Plug wrote:

I have used 2 different MT blends one of which overheated my engine siverly. I used Dynoglow on a Cen engine, no go but worked with my T-maxx. All these good brands are blended by proper people who win proper races not some cheap race in england fianced by MT:D

That sounds very confusing..

One worked in a T-Maxx but not in a cen.
Both were different blends of MT.

And the races were not cheap ones in england financed by MT...!!:rolleyes:

Are you voting for MT or not?

And you reckon Dynaglo is better than Goglo..?

Plug

vectra wrote:

That sounds very confusing..

A bit yes.

One worked in a T-Maxx but not in a cen.
Both were different blends of MT.

Dynoglow wouldn't work with the Cen for me it did with the T-maxx. Quik fire over heated my T-maxx.

And the races were not cheap ones in england financed by MT...!!:rolleyes:

That was a joke.

Are you voting for MT or not?

No.

And you reckon Dynaglo is better than Goglo..?

Never heard of the stuff.

coolwings

Plug wrote:

A...wouldn't work with the Cen for me it did with the T-maxx. ....

The .16 CEN engine tends to run very hot.
it needs a higher oil % fuel or to be run at a richer carb setting to keep temps down. 18% oil would be the lowest oil I would use with it, and I wouldn't advise going over 16% nitro, in fact 10% nitro is sufficient for this engine.

Vectra wrote:

I have about 1 1/2 Litres of MT 16% GoGlo
about less than one litre of Blue thunder 20% Race Formula

Why not pour them into the same container, after all they are similar nitro content.

Vectra wrote:

.... 2 gallons of Tornado 25% ( which I am now wary of after discovering that it has only 8% oil )
Would it be possible to put a few drops of "castor oil" into a bottle with some of this and mix it to give better protection? ( remember you were saying about a teaspoon of oil on another thread?)

Yes, I would do that if it was me. Castor is the best, or maybe some EDL.

Vectra wrote:

A) run out this 16% that I have then progress to the 20% and run that out?

Mixing them deals with that.

Vectra wrote:

... should be good and ran in by then. Carry on with my Tornado 25% after that ( pure or mixed with castor oil)

Sounds fine. But I would add the oil, or possibly mix it with an equal quantity of MT 5% GX5 (20% oil) to drop the nitro by a bit and raise the oil by a bit .

Shake well

Plug

Coolwings does 16% quikfire tend to over head or was it a problem with my old engine. It started burning up when it was just Idling do you think i should chance it the new engine?

coolwings

Plug wrote:

Coolwings does 16% quikfire tend to over head or was it a problem with my old engine. It started burning up when it was just Idling do you think i should chance it the new engine?

Did it tend to cut out when you accellerated and tried to pass through the 25-35% throttle area?

Plug

The truck wouldn't even move with the stuff. How does it fair out with your car/truck? The lads in Waterford said it would cool it better than dynoglow but mine just over heated:(

coolwings

Plug wrote:

The truck wouldn't even move with the stuff. How does it fair out with your car/truck? The lads in Waterford said it would cool it better than dynoglow but mine just over heated:(

QwikFire =18% oil content (13% EDL and 5% Castor) with 10% or 16% nitromethane.

I have not used quickfire but I do use 18% oil fuel and I have used the oils that are also used in Quickfire to make fuels.

It is a higher cooling fuel than Dynaglow .... so something (or things) else is the cause of your trouble.

Plug

So you think it would be alright to put it in the engine?

coolwings

Just about any fuel with 15 - 20% oil and 5 - 20% nitro is ok in your engine.

Of course - you have to retune to match the new fuel.

All the stuff you hear about fuel problems is because of tuning misadjustment or mechanical problems eg air leaking in/out of pressure system.

Oil of lower than 15% or nitro of over 16% introduce problems in high revving engines that have to be allowed for, eg running slightly richer, extra concern about tank air pressure seal, escessive fuel tubing length, etc.

But lots of folks manage with these too - at a price - usually shorter glowplug, conrod, piston & liner lifespan. It is however doing things a slightly harder way, maybe for performance reasons in racing.

I am speculating that your hot running was something to do with engine temps going high enough to boil and vaporise the methanol as it passed through the carb into the lower crankcase.
In this situation the gaseous methanol continues to run the engine but dry as the oil remains behind below the piston. Then temps go up quite fast.
Trying to put fuel directly into the air intake will demonstrate if the metal is over the boiling point of your fuel, as it bubbles up and out instead of going down and in and cooling the engine.

Plug

vectra wrote:

@ Plug.
Have you got the run in procedure for these engines?

Ah only saw it now. Yes I do:)
Tank1: 1/4 trottle, 2 seconds, body off, apply trottle gradually. Cool: 15. minutes.
Tank2: 1/2 trottle, 2 seconds, body off, apply trottle gradually. Cool: 15. minutes.
Tank3: 1/2 trottle, 3 seconds, body on, reduce idle speed if nessesaery. Cool: none.
Tank4: Full trottle, 3 seconds, body on, don't allow to shift to second gear. Cool: none.
Tank5: Full trottle, 5 seconds, body on, accelerate over a 3 second count and hold for 2. Cool: none.

Plug

Coolwings I think that engine had an airleak when I think of it.

coolwings

coolwings wrote:

.... nitro of over 16% introduce problems in high revving engines that have to be allowed for, eg running slightly richer, extra concern about tank air pressure seal, escessive fuel tubing length, etc. .....

For example:
When I use fuel with nitro of over 16% I always have 20% oil in that fuel.
If my nitro is 20% I have 22% oil in the fuel
If my nitro is over 25% I have 24% oil in the fuel.

Minimum 3% castor oil, the rest preferably EDL synthetic oil , though I have used Klotz (€€€ !) and Model Lube.

More nitro and high rpm = high temps that have to be dealt with.

Poor mans way is to put a 2nd head gasket in to lower the compression a bit. But that is the same as using lower nitro.

Putting in the recommended cool glowplug is also the same as using lower (cheaper fuel) nitro with a hotter glowplug.


I have used 5% nitro fuel in a T-Maxx with a medium-hot glowplug and short fuel tubing. It went fine.:)

Plug

I put in a MT medium-hot glowplug, started it up and the whole cil was gone with in a few seconds:eek: That was with dynoglow 16%

coolwings

Plug wrote:

I put in a MT medium-hot glowplug, started it up and the whole cil was gone with in a few seconds:eek: That was with dynoglow 16%

"the whole cil was gone "
Do you mean the glowplug element blew?
That would be the hot element and the hot nitro - not a match.
You need a cool glowplug with high nitro.

Plug

coolwings wrote:

"the whole cil was gone "
Do you mean the glowplug element blew?
That would be the hot element and the hot nitro - not a match.
You need a cool glowplug with high nitro.

Yeah it was gone altogether.

coolwings

With high nitro, you need a cool glowplug.
That would be any of these: OS No8, Model technics F4, or Novarossi C6

Plug

I use the traxxas ones, I find them very good, I still have mine from after the break in precedure and still going strong. 5 left to go throw yet:D

g5hn710m4xpdwy

I was running O.S 8 on 5% nitro!:)

Plug

I bet it felt lame, someone here a while back said its funny watching a T-maxx running with that stuff. How'd you get on with it?

vectra

Flunked wrote:

I was running O.S 8 on 5% nitro!:)

Walking more like... ( not running)

g5hn710m4xpdwy

great and I think Tallus said he might keep running it on all his models cause its cheaper and doesnt do a huge lot less, [I think]:D
I got a litre of if with my buggy for breakin then got another gallon, meh if i ever finish this gallon i will get higher % nitro

Plug

Exactly:D I think that stuff is only good for planes where performance is not nessesary.

coolwings

Plug wrote:

Exactly:D I think that stuff is only good for planes where performance is not nessesary.

He He He ...performance not necessary.
They'd look great running round on the ground.

The thing is .... a high compression engine is easier to tune to absolute spot on optimum with low or medium nitro.
With higher nitro, you may have more power but experience slight pre-ignition (rattley sound) which wastes the extra power you had, for no great benefit.

The MVVS aero engines, and buggy engine (no longer made :mad: ) was designed to give its best on straight 0% or 5% nitro from the drawing board. And the Savage engine - while not the same - has a lot of similar features.
Tends to be a tad hot on high nitro. Finicky tuning on high nitro. Generally easier all round on medium nitro.


Come to think of it - the CEN 16 engine was also easier on 10% than on 16%. Tho I admit, to win a race against others with 16 you had to tough it out with the 16, it was the harder route. There can be work added to modelling by choosing mismatched parts, and that goes for fuel too.

Getting back to the aero guys, they empty fuel tank after tank for months without unexpected cutouts. Utter reliability on 5% and 10%. First time starting time after time. Not something to be sneezed at.

vectra

coolwings wrote:

With higher nitro, you may have more power but experience slight pre-ignition (rattley sound) which wastes the extra power you had, for no great benefit.

Thats sort of expalins the sound I was getting out of my revo 2.5r when i used the Tornado 25% (rattley sound):o

coolwings

Really?
Can you extend the exhaust a bit ? Is it on a rubber manifold adapter piece that allows adjustment?

vectra

coolwings wrote:

Really?
Can you extend the exhaust a bit ? Is it on a rubber manifold adapter piece that allows adjustment?

Yup, it is on a rubber "coupling"
Not sure if I can extend it or not with the 3.3 but I will know when it arrives ..!!
Alright..!!
Alright..!!
WHEN it arrives..!!

coolwings

vectra wrote:

.....but I will know when it arrives ..!!
Alright..!!
Alright..!!
WHEN it arrives..!!

And so dear readers back we go to the beginning .........

Plug

vectra wrote:

Yup, it is on a rubber "coupling"
Not sure if I can extend it or not with the 3.3 but I will know when it arrives ..!!
Alright..!!
Alright..!!
WHEN it arrives..!!

It will;)