I'm back with another outrageously stupid question.

TerrorFirmer

RE: Protein shake. Is it ok to mix protein shake with my porridge? Like I just made a massive bowl of porridge, by throwing the powder onto the oats and pouring milk into it, and mixing it all up.

Of course, while I know there's nothing wrong with this and that people do it all the time, but is it in anyway taking away from the nutritional values or purpose of the protein? I assume there's no problem with mixing it all together at once as opposed to pouring an already made shake into the porridge?

Really dumb question I'm sure but I've heard stranger....

Duck Soup

Well without knowing your training, aims etc, I'd be shooting in the dark to a certain extent, but FWIW here's my thoughts. The usual purpose of porridge is to kickstart your metabolism in the morning. It's a slow release carb and it raises your metabolic rate. Ideal if you're looking to trim down or stay lean.

The usual purpose of a protein shake would to be increasing mass - in other words muscle tissue. Proteins are the building blocks of muscle. Now I'll defer to more serious trainers than me, but I would have thought that the best time to have a protein shake would be after a workout, especially after weights/resistance training.

Your body requires a steady supply of protein anyway, but I'm not sure that a great deal of the benefit of a protein shake wouldn't be wasted unless you're training in the morning. I don't think the body requires that much protein at that time of day (unless you're really hammering into the weights) and I'm guessing that a lot of the protein will just be flushed out of your body.

Mr E

Vanilla Protein + Porridge = Yum.

No problems at all.


Edit - in response to Duck Soup: It depends on how many shakes the OP has per day. If training seriously, he could have 3 or 4. I don't see any harm in porridge + protein as long has he has a shake after his workout (when it has the most benefit)

yomchi

HavoK wrote:

RE: Protein shake. Is it ok to mix protein shake with my porridge? Like I just made a massive bowl of porridge, by throwing the powder onto the oats and pouring milk into it, and mixing it all up.

Of course, while I know there's nothing wrong with this and that people do it all the time, but is it in anyway taking away from the nutritional values or purpose of the protein? I assume there's no problem with mixing it all together at once as opposed to pouring an already made shake into the porridge?

Really dumb question I'm sure but I've heard stranger....

Its perfectly fine to do this. Some people will say take your carbs seperate to your protein due to the differring acids produced in your stomach to digest both. But I've always taken carbs and protein together with no ill effects.
Porridge oats are a great way to start your day, whether your bulking up trimming down or just staying healthy. As was stated they are a complex carb and will release energy throughout the first few hours of the day.

Just remember that if you are serious about getting the right amounts of carbs and protein make sure you measure everything out. I see you saying you have a huge bowl of porridge and you'll just throw the protein powder on to it. Ensure that for every gram of protein you take 2 grams of carbs. Therefore the ratio of carbs to protein is 2:1. Other wise it can be just a waste of time for your attaining your goals.

TerrorFirmer

Thanks lad. I am usually careful about what I eat relatively speaking but today I was so hungry after a workout at the gym. That is to say, I ate the porridge about 50 mins after workout, this evening. Nothin else in the house whatsoever so porridge for dinner it was. I do weights three times a week, for about 50 minutes....I just take a shake in the morning and evening usually, as close after a workout as I can.

Thanks again!

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t-ha

Jon wrote:

Some people will say take your carbs seperate to your protein due to the differring acids produced in your stomach to digest both. But I've always taken carbs and protein together with no ill effects.

That's because that whole food combining thing is TOTAL horsesh*t.

Why food combining is stupid;
http://www.skeptics.com.au/journal/1996/2_combining.pdf

and further to the point about needing alkilinity for carbs, look up the actual PH of the digestive products of common carb sources here;
http://www.trans4mind.com/nutrition/pH.html and you'll see most grains etc. produce acidic residues.

total, utter, rubbish.

Also, agree with Daveirl. If you want to bulk up first and foremost you need calories. Although muscle synthesis rates are linked to protein intake, on a calorie surplus your body won't be using up protein for energy so your dietary intake doesn't actually need to be that massive. Where protein comes into it's own is when you are trying to lean out and preserve the muscle you've got (or build more). In this case a good dietary intake of protein is essential to prevent your body catabolising skeletal muscle for energy.

yomchi

t-ha wrote:

That's because that whole food combining thing is TOTAL horsesh*t.

Why food combining is stupid;
http://www.skeptics.com.au/journal/1996/2_combining.pdf

and further to the point about needing alkilinity for carbs, look up the actual PH of the digestive products of common carb sources here;
http://www.trans4mind.com/nutrition/pH.html and you'll see most grains etc. produce acidic residues.

total, utter, rubbish.

Also, agree with Daveirl. If you want to bulk up first and foremost you need calories. Although muscle synthesis rates are linked to protein intake, on a calorie surplus your body won't be using up protein for energy so your dietary intake doesn't actually need to be that massive. Where protein comes into it's own is when you are trying to lean out and preserve the muscle you've got (or build more). In this case a good dietary intake of protein is essential to prevent your body catabolising skeletal muscle for energy.

LOL at one breast marked protein and the other marked Carbs.. if only :rolleyes:

Im in agreement T, I just read somewhere that people have the opinions that mixing both is bad. But its all I've ever done, right from the breast up!

Dermington

Sorry to hijack but would someone tell me what protein does for you?

I know its used to build muscle and mass to a certain extent but I'm unsure of what else it does metabolism wise and so on.

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Porridge with a shake sounds nice. Get some muesli in there too.

yomchi

It does many things!

I'd suggest starting a new thread and searching the site too its a very complex topic

Dermington

I never really considered supplements and maintaining a specific diet for training before so I have all these questions, mainly simple questions, to ask.

The people in the gym I go to are great but sometimes its nice to know what random people think too.

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Also, Dragan, I found out what a clean was last night. I never did squats, cleans or snatches before so I'm getting a whole introduction to the entire Olympic lifting area at the weekend.

MicraBoy

Havok there is also a whey protein available in "Natural" flavour(less), designed to be added to any food you want so that you don't have to have Mint Chocoolate flavour porridge

But whatever you are into yourself.

Dragan

Dermington wrote:

Also, Dragan, I found out what a clean was last night. I never did squats, cleans or snatches before so I'm getting a whole introduction to the entire Olympic lifting area at the weekend.

Excellent, i think you will find yourself making some excellent gains if you work these into your plans.

TerrorFirmer

MicraBoy wrote:

Havok there is also a whey protein available in "Natural" flavour(less), designed to be added to any food you want so that you don't have to have Mint Chocoolate flavour porridge

But whatever you are into yourself.

Hah, strawberry porridge is pretty nice anyway so I don't mind.

Speaking of which, I got different stuff this time around (york), and it actually tastes like a strawberry shake and not like bin water (maximuscle), I was shocked at the difference.

It seems that everytime I ask a question it leads to a whole new wealth of info, which of course, is always good, but sometimes a little worrying when you *think* you have the basics covered. Now I'm worrying that I'm taking too much protein, or even worse, taking it pointlessly.

I eat Porridge with protein shake for breakfast, brown bread and cheese or chicken for lunch, and usually a meat dish with potatoes for dinner, and another protein shake. I do weights 3 times a week for about 50 minutes, working all areas. I know this isn't overly specific but in equally vague terms, generally speaking, does this sound moderately right for someone looking to build limited muscle?

Thanks