Kadman and Rooferpete

galwaydude18

Hey guys are ye still out there? What is the story! We need ye back on here! I'm suggesting to start a campaign to get ye back on here!

They give so much to this form with their expertise! There's not many around here if any that no so much about there respective trades as these guys do! They are sorely missed be me! There posts are a wealth of information!

I VOTE FOR YE TO COME BACK AND FOR YER POSTS NOT TO BE CENSORED

galwaydude18

Lads please come back onto this fourm! I miss ye and I know a lot more around here do as well!

Gandhi

Half the homeowners on boards will have had their houses fall down within a year without those lads around.

Come back, lads!!!

mad m

If I was in their shoes I wouldnt come back..

muffler

mad m wrote:

If I was in their shoes I wouldnt come back..

Why?

Viking House

Hi I'd also like them experts back.
Why were they banned?

kadman

Just to put the record straight, and in fairness to the mods. I was not banned.

It was a personal choice , relative to recent decisions made on the forum .
One of my light hearted posts , relative to a closed thread of Rooferpetes, being sent to the recycle bin being one of the reasons. Draconian.

kadman

delly

kadman wrote:

Just to put the record straight, and in fairness to the mods. I was not banned.

It was a personal choice , relative to recent decisions made on the forum .
One of my light hearted posts , relative to a closed thread of Rooferpetes, being sent to the recycle bin being one of the reasons. Draconian.

kadman

All true, nobody has been banned, and users who do not post are doing so by personal choice.

Carb

I'd love to know who voted that they didn't want them back. Although things may have got heated on the eastern bloc workers debate (although I doubt this was the reason for their disappearance), I've found both Kadman and Rooferpete a great help both on this forum, and in off thread discussions. I think this forum as deteriorated lately, whether its due to the time of year or not, I don't know, but the absence of our resident experts is not going to help any.

The Hill Billy

You're sadly missed guys.
C'mon back - y'hear!

Elfish

As a lurker here, I've always found Pete's posts to be very useful. Any moderator who has banned him, really needs to stand back and realise that it is the contribution of people like Pete with his obvious wealth of knowledge that makes Boards somewhere worth coming to.

Even if Pete ain't banned, mods shouldn't have even threatened such action.

Rules schmules.......come back pete!

De_man

I must agree with everyone else, come back lads we do miss the
very informative posts cmon lads you don't want our houses to fall down


i'll even send ye a pint of plain




a pint of plain is yer only man

FrankGrimes

All was perfectly well in this forum for God knows how long. Then we get a post asking what direction people want the forum to go in, though I saw no evidence of anyone asking for change. We then get a new moderator in the forum and now the two main posters have been suitably upset to feel they shouldn’t invest so much of their valuable time and energy if they are going to be treated so harshly by the moderator.

Delly – I can’t ever remember seeing any posts on here by you before you became a mod (though I may be wrong) – how aware are you of the absolutely massive amount of assistance that rooferPete and Kadman have given to hundreds of posters on this board? They should be shown due respect because of this and, personally, I would afford them some leeway. I read all the supposed offending posts you moderated and while I feel you had a point and I think you treated both harshly and overreacted, and I feel an apology from you to both rooferPete and Kadman is in order for the greater good of all those who use this board.

yop

FrankGrimes wrote:

All was perfectly well in this forum for God knows how long. Then we get a post asking what direction people want the forum to go in, though I saw no evidence of anyone asking for change. We then get a new moderator in the forum and now the two main posters have been suitably upset to feel they shouldn’t invest so much of their valuable time and energy if they are going to be treated so harshly by the moderator.

Delly – I can’t ever remember seeing any posts on here by you before you became a mod (though I may be wrong) – how aware are you of the absolutely massive amount of assistance that rooferPete and Kadman have given to hundreds of posters on this board? They should be shown due respect because of this and, personally, I would afford them some leeway. I read all the supposed offending posts you moderated and while I feel you had a point and I think you treated both harshly and overreacted, and I feel an apology from you to both rooferPete and Kadman is in order for the greater good of all those who use this board.

I second what Frank has said. I have been a reader/poster on here for the last 1.5 years on a daily basis and have never seen the need for a mod. Everyone has been exceptionally behaved, polite and informative. There have been a few but even those have been few and far between.

Delly I know you have to do your job but I don;t think you grasp the contribution that these guys have made to this forum answering on their own time some of the most basic questions to them but important to us lay people. Since you are relatively new to the DIY section and I also had to say to "who" when you were appointed, I understand your situation and appreciate the work done on stickys etc you have done, but to treat these 2 like you have is way out of bounds.
I know the board supposidly needs to be modded and it is a thankless job, but some appreciation has to be shown to the people who let us bounce ideas/questions off them.

delly

FrankGrimes wrote:

All was perfectly well in this forum for God knows how long. Then we get a post asking what direction people want the forum to go in, though I saw no evidence of anyone asking for change. We then get a new moderator in the forum and now the two main posters have been suitably upset to feel they shouldn’t invest so much of their valuable time and energy if they are going to be treated so harshly by the moderator.

Delly – I can’t ever remember seeing any posts on here by you before you became a mod (though I may be wrong) – how aware are you of the absolutely massive amount of assistance that rooferPete and Kadman have given to hundreds of posters on this board? They should be shown due respect because of this and, personally, I would afford them some leeway. I read all the supposed offending posts you moderated and while I feel you had a point and I think you treated both harshly and overreacted, and I feel an apology from you to both rooferPete and Kadman is in order for the greater good of all those who use this board.

I'm well aware of both posters contributions to the forum and feel its better for it.

For the record, no user has been banned. One thread was closed for more than one reason, one of which was a comment to another poster to ‘Foxtrot Oscar’ i.e. telling the other poster to F-off. Abuse is not allowed on any forum, and I fail to see why it should be allowed just because somebody is a regular poster.

Another thread was closed because said poster made allegations of ‘Conspiracy to defraud and theft’, again such an allegation can’t be allowed by any user. I fail to see how you can justify such posts, unless you feel that the forum should be a free for all?

tred

yop wrote:

I second what Frank has said. I have been a reader/poster on here for the last 1.5 years on a daily basis and have never seen the need for a mod. Everyone has been exceptionally behaved, polite and informative. There have been a few but even those have been few and far between.

Delly I know you have to do your job but I don;t think you grasp the contribution that these guys have made to this forum answering on their own time some of the most basic questions to them but important to us lay people. Since you are relatively new to the DIY section and I also had to say to "who" when you were appointed, I understand your situation and appreciate the work done on stickys etc you have done, but to treat these 2 like you have is way out of bounds.
I know the board supposidly needs to be modded and it is a thankless job, but some appreciation has to be shown to the people who let us bounce ideas/questions off them.

Hear Hear. We need skilled people like Kadman and Rooferpete on this forum., not Mods. This forum is only functional with these guys on board. Can we vote for Mods for groups or are they decided from above?

JimmySmith

I vote for them to come back too. Everyone here gets upset and has opposing views to others at some time. Its all healthy debate and no harm at all. Very contructive in fact.

I think maybe there has been a little over enthuastic modding

RooferPete and Kadman have always been valued contributers here.

Lex Luthor

A resounding YES.....

JamesM

Lex Luthor wrote:

A resounding YES.....

HEAR HEAR
Jim.

Gordon Gekko

Yes to all of the above. They have been a fantastic, selfless resource, and have certainly put my mind (not to mention my wallet) at rest on several occassions. Agreed also that it is only with the advent of active 'moderation' that we have now seen things develop to such a sorry stage.

C Fodder

TBH I didn't know who the mods were for this forum as they never seemed to be needed which is very unusual on boards but the two threads the lads got overly involved in needed cold water pouring on them. We need both kadman and rooferpete back here now asap even if it requires we send round a few cold cans of Bulmers (or other prefered cooling tipple) to sooth ruffled feathers. Imho, this forum will fall apart without them.

CJhaughey

I voted yes, I have in the past disagreed with statements that both have made and have discussed the issues in a heated manner, however I feel that the direction that this board has taken recently is a retrograde one, with the absence of qualified professionals information given is scanty at best.
The way that this forum has been moderated has been poor , a little more tact and PM'ing may have been in order.
If the forum withers and dies then you will all know where the responsibility lies....

mad m

Why not make Kadman&Pete mods of this forum,god knows they have given countless expert advice on here.

Idleater

CJhaughey wrote:

... with the absence of qualified professionals information given is scanty at best...
...If the forum withers and dies then you will all know where the responsibility lies....

I have no opinion either way, however, as the two people in question are "professionals" giving their time to answer questions on a Public Message Board, surely it is their right not to bother to post any more if they so choose.

The opinions given by "professionals" on any internet site should not be taken as "Gospel" truth so any reliance on people on a BB should be questioned.

If on the other hand, they were employed by Boards.ie or a subsidiary therof, and they chose not to post any more because they didnt like something someone said on a Public Board then that is another matter.

L.

dingding

I always found Rooferpete's advice excellent and he has been missed. Come back Rooferpete:)

JamesM

Hey Pete, I'm going up to Enniskillen tomorrow to sail against, and party with, Peter K, the pellet man
Let me pass on your greetings to him - Speak some words of wisdom

Basically - SPEAK TO US :mad:

Jim.

galwaydude18

LADS PLEASE COME BACK TO US! This fourm will fall apart without ye! Ye are our bread and butter over here!

muffler

This has to be one of the top forums on the boards and what makes it so is the fact that there are people who want help and advice about everyday practical problems around the home and there are people who are prepared to help and offer advice on issues in which they have a bit of expertise. A very sound recipy for a successful forum or at least it should be.

I have not got the full story behind all this but it appears that RooferPete and Kadman have decided not to post here again with both having their own reasons for making that choice and it seems that it has a fair bit to do with modding issues.

In that regard there is a charter that must be adhered to and if either stepped out of line then the mods had multiple choices - edit the posts, delete the posts, ban the offending parties etc. Nobody here is entitled to preferential treatment just because they have a wide and varying knowledge of construction related matters and contribute on a regular basis.

If they were unhappy with modding decisions they should have posted up a thread to that effect in the feedback forum (from personal experience I think that would have been a waste of time although there is a first time for everything) or contacted one of the admins about this issue.

Personally I would hope that both will reconsider their positions and continue to post but if they have their reasons for not doing so then we should respect that.

They are both adults and they make their own decisions but any talk of the forum collapsing without them is utter nonsense. The forum was here and going well before they became active and I'm sure it will remain so. Having said that I think their contributions have been greatly appreciated in the past and would be again if they choose to return

Debracd

mad m wrote:

Why not make Kadman&Pete mods of this forum,god knows they have given countless expert advice on here.

Thats a fantastic idea Mad M!

YES YES YES!!!! I'd love them to come back! I'm all for moderation in moderation, but the lads have been posting here for so long now that people(including myself!) actually come on here to ask for their advice alone on some matters!(appologies to other poster lol)

Here's hoping the foundations haven't been dug too deep with the heels of their boots!

Deb

LegacyUser

TBH - I have only posted a few times in this forum, but I have always found the posts by roofPete and Kadman to be extremely informative.

The last few times I was here I noticed that things seemed to be a little different - a lot of shifting posts around unnecessarily and abrupt answers when people asked what was going on. New mod, whoever you are, relax a bit!! There was no need to unsettle what was perfectly alright. Even if you did resurface your garden!!!

roofPete and Kadman - please come back - whatever happened - the rest of us appreciate your worth here.

Besides, you could at least have waited until Friday - with Davina!!!

Elfish

delly wrote:

One thread was closed for more than one reason, one of which was a comment to another poster to ‘Foxtrot Oscar’ i.e. telling the other poster to F-off. Abuse is not allowed on any forum,

Another thread was closed because said poster made allegations of ‘Conspiracy to defraud and theft’, again such an allegation can’t be allowed by any user.

Listen, you really sound like the school nerd who has been left in charge of the class when teacher is out.

Tell it like it is - he said "F-Off" not "Foxtrot Oscar"......... SO WHAT? Honestly do you speak like this in real life? Abuse? Its just an expression, get a life prude.

I don't ever remember any of your posts carrying anything like the level of detail of Petes - a particular favourite was the explanation of plastering a reveal whereby it was finished by moving the edge of the trowel to create a ridge to stop moisture.....:)

I suppose I've attacked your rights now by standing up for Pete?:rolleyes:

So Pete, hang about, I don't think the DIY section would be much without you!

JamesM

Elfish wrote:

Tell it like it is - he said "F-Off" not "Foxtrot Oscar".........

No, actually Pete was very polite and all he said was ‘Foxtrot Oscar’

patrickolee

As has been indicated above by many... moderation should be done with moderation. The fact that so many people have posted back to this topic, telling you to ease off, should be sounding alarms bells in your little mind. You could easily kill off this forum.

http://www.allinlondon.co.uk/restaurants/restaurant-370.php

The Hill Billy

Note to all: As per my previous post - Bring back the "Gardening/DIY 2"!

Note to Mods: Yis are quick enough getting other threads moved. Surely this should be in Feedback & not muddying the waters for newbies to this forum? Dirty laundry/washing/public/etc...

delly

Hill Billy wrote:

Note to Mods: Yis are quick enough getting other threads moved. Surely this should be in Feedback & not muddying the waters for newbies to this forum? Dirty laundry/washing/public/etc...

Oh, so you want the mod to mod now? I had thought about moving it to feedback, but galwaydude18 might feel that i'm 'censoring' his view by shifting it off to another forum and I would not like to offend said poster.

In fairness if it is put in feedback its not going to make much sense over there as a thread titled 'Kadman and Rooferpete'. The OP stated 'Hey guys are ye still out there? What is the story!' and they aren't going to be checking out feedback so it is left here for the intended people to see it (which they have btw).

Feel free to start another thread over in feedback though, as I can't surpress anybody's posts in that section.

squire1

In fairness to delly, he is the mod of the forum. He has to do his job as he sees fit. Kadman and Rooferpete have decided to ignore the forum for their own reasons. They are grown ups (I presume) and can make their own decisions. They are both still members of boards and as such can be contacted by PM. It would be sad to see (or not see) people seeking advice outside of the public forum but if anyone need special advice I'm sure the two guys would be as helpfull as always through PM's. Pity to see the forum reduced to this but the guys made the decision to leave, not delly.

Any chance you could stickey this thread until the come back delly:)

The Hill Billy

delly wrote:

Oh, so you want the mod to mod now?

Merely a suggestion your Dellyness.

delly wrote:

I had thought about moving it to feedback, but galwaydude18 might feel that i'm 'censoring' his view by shifting it off to another forum and I would not like to offend said poster.

In fairness if it is put in feedback its not going to make much sense over there as a thread titled 'Kadman and Rooferpete'. The OP stated 'Hey guys are ye still out there? What is the story!' and they aren't going to be checking out feedback so it is left here for the intended people to see it (which they have btw).

That's fair enough. I bow to your wisdom O Sagacious One!

delly wrote:

Feel free to start another thread over in feedback though, as I can't surpress anybody's posts in that section.

Fcek it - I can't be ar$ed. This has gone on long enough. The lads will come back when they are good & ready. Maybe...

muffler

Hill Billy wrote:

Merely a suggestion your Dellyness.


That's fair enough. I bow to your wisdom O Sagacious One!


Fcek it - I can't be ar$ed. This has gone on long enough. The lads will come back when they are good & ready. Maybe...

I dont think your sarcastic comments are helping the situation at all.

There is a strong plea being sent to the 2 guys to return but the ball is in their court. If they choose to ignore the wishes of the majority here then so be it.

The Hill Billy

muffler wrote:

I dont think your sarcastic comments are helping the situation at all.

Muffler:

I wasn't being sarcastic. I was indicating my acceptance of Delly's point of view in not moving the thread to Feedback. I respect Delly as a mod.

I also stand by not being ar$ed in starting a new thread on Feedback. If they come back - great, the forum will be the better for it. If not - It is not the end of the world & starting another thread won't achieve anything.



Delly:

Apologies for any offence. There was none intended. Keep up the good work.

Carb

This all reminds me of Saipan a little bit. Maybe rooferpete and Kadman are going to do an RTE special to explain to the nation while they felt they had to leave, and to say that they want to come back but the ball is not in their court. Then everything will get left too long, and it'll become harder to reverse their decision. Eventually Boards will approach them, and they'll make a big comeback, but because they've been out of action for so long, they just won't be as good as they used to be. Does anyone know if Pete has a dodgy hip?:)

squire1

Carb wrote:

This all reminds me of Saipan a little bit. Maybe rooferpete and Kadman are going to do an RTE special to explain to the nation while they felt they had to leave, and to say that they want to come back but the ball is not in their court. Then everything will get left too long, and it'll become harder to reverse their decision. Eventually Boards will approach them, and they'll make a big comeback, but because they've been out of action for so long, they just won't be as good as they used to be. Does anyone know if Pete has a dodgy hip?:)

Post of the month

darkbeatz

fail to prepare, Prepare to fail


The DIY section just wont be the same without them. Please reconsider lads.

rooferPete

Hi Ladies and Gents,

I was surprised to say the least when I received an email telling me a poll was being run.

I wish to thank all of you who have taken the time to post and vote (whichever way you voted), it appears my style of posting has led to a clash with delly who has taken on a thankless job of moderator.

I didn't know until recently that this forum didn't have a moderator, testiment to general good manners and good humour that has been to the forefront of all who posted here.

Naturally there will be clashes of personality, maybe a hint of a hidden agenda, even the debate about different ways to tackle a particular problem when there are so many different people posting mainly to offer help or advice to one and other.

delly is correct I was not banned, in fact no ban was threatened, sadly the locking of two threads one of which was a way to continue the first thread without inferred profanity is in my view blocking the freedom of speech and expression.

I could try to say I was referring to Oscar a character in the Odd Couple a comedy programme most will not remember, and the Foxtrot is a dance, of course delly is spot on it was my of delivering a direct message.

I do not believe it any less repectful to use F### O## in fact in my way of thinking there are nice ways and not so nice ways of conveying a message.

I am sorry that I can't give delly the apology that a moderator could in fairness claim he deserves, simply because I am not sorry for using the term in the context it I used it and I certainly do not agree with locking a post before allowing the right of reply.

Like every other person who posts in a public forum I believe in good manners, delly was trying to enforce "Good Manners" and for that I think it wrong to penalise the moderator.

As one post has stated (not a direct quote) both Kadman and I are grown men who will make up our own minds and are free to post or not on any subject provided we do so within the rules.

I believe that up to recently we have posted within the bounds of decency, anytime I re-read a post after submitting it and noticed what may cause offence I would clarify the post and make sure an apology was included if I thought it was needed.

There is another side,

I have learned a lot from everyone who posts on this forum, some times about different products, others about different ways of approaching projects and even had old knowledged refreshed (Thanks James M).

Thank you one and all.

The weather is good so I will be cheeky and advise that you enjoy the weather while looking after the gardens and doing those outside jobs we all put off because it's raining

Kind Regards,

Peter.

The Hill Billy

Jaysus Pete - That put a stop to all those posts.

Good to hear from you.

tapest

If anybody reads my posts they will know the high regard that I hold RooKad in, so I'll not repeat the praise already lavished upon the "dynamic Duo". I've always enjoyed the banter especially between the pair of them.In other words I;ve lways liked their sounds...but I don't like the sound of
"The weather is good so I will be cheeky and advise that you enjoy the weather while looking after the gardens and doing those outside jobs we all put off because it's raining

Kind Regards,

Peter."

Peter is standing up for a point of principal, and that has to be supported as much as the man himself, but much I hate it 'cause it's us that'll be at the loss and suffer.
Just in case(and I hope not) we don't cross swords again here, many thanks for help and advise in past and sincerly the very best wishes.
The one good think about this thread is that you guys(mentioning the Kad again, in case he gets huffy,lol) is that you now know thatb you are / were appreciated
Best wishes
tony

Gordon

rooferPete has been sitebanned.

He threatened legal action against boards. If any harm came to boards from this guy then there wouldn't be a forum for you all to take advice from him, and others. So it's a bit of a catch 22 isn't it?

Its a shame really but if he threatens legal action then he doesn't really care about this place's existance so it seems.

Heinrich

Gordon wrote:

rooferPete has been sitebanned.

He threatened legal action against boards. If any harm came to boards from this guy then there wouldn't be a forum for you all to take advice from him, and others. So it's a bit of a catch 22 isn't it?

Its a shame really but if he threatens legal action then he doesn't really care about this place's existance so it seems.

That's not good. What sort of legal action was threatened?

There is something amiss here.

pitstop

This seems very odd and out of character!

and I see that my post which was going against the mod got moved as well!!

Interesting - time to move along I guess as I'm sure many will - if anyone knows if RooferPete or Kadman are posting elsewhere - please post it!

Thanks

Pitstop!

Fredser

What a childish situation.

Rooferpete should have been offered the job of Mod on this forum before the blow-in arrived and basically ruined it due to some form of egotistic low self-esteem.

I won't be back.

F

smashey

Fredser wrote:

What a childish situation.

Rooferpete should have been offered the job of Mod on this forum before the blow-in arrived and basically ruined it due to some form of egotistic low self-esteem.

I won't be back.

F

Be careful where the toys land when you throw them from the pram.

Get over it.

While rooferPete and kadman were very helpful and informative, they have made their decisions, and now, Pete is banned. Whether kadman comes back or not is up to him. I believe this forum will just continue as before as I think there are a lot of people out there who can help with any matter. Delly didn't get to be the mod because he was liked. He has a good knowledge of DIY matters as well.

Life goes on.

muffler

Fredser wrote:

...........due to some form of egotistic low self-esteem.

I won't be back.

F

Good luck:D