Dublin v Laois

mchurl

Thought id get this going nice and early. Dublin have named their team already with a few changes in it.



DUBLIN (SF v Laois) - S Cluxton; D Henry, B Cahill, P Griffin; P Casey, B Cullen, C Goggins; C Whelan, S Ryan; C Keaney, A Brogan, K Bonner; T Quinn, R Cosgrove, J Sherlock. Subs: J Leonard, P Andrews, N O'Shea, D O'Callaghan, M Vaughan, Senan Connell, D Lally, P Christie, D Bastick, B Brogan, G Norton, D O'Mahony, R McConnell, C Prenderville, S O'Shaughnessy.

Putting Cullen centre-back is a great move imo, it is his best position. After our last performance against Longford, i have to say im not overly confident, but with a full house in Croker, the majority being Dubs, we have a very good chance. IMO this is the Leinster final for both sides, no dis-respect to Offaly or Wexford. Opinions?

sgarvan

great move putting Cullen into centre back. Good to see cosgrove been given another chance, after hitting 10 points a game for crokes

*marie*

The Laois team has been named as well, with the only change from the Carlow game being Billy Sheehan replacing Gary Kavanagh. There is going to be some atmosphere in Croke Park on Sunday...

The Rooster

sgarvan wrote:

great move putting Cullen into centre back. Good to see cosgrove been given another chance, after hitting 10 points a game for crokes

10 points a game!

How many times has he scored 10 points in a game over the last 12 months? Once, I'd say!

Here is his scoring record (oldest game first etc) in championship games for Kilmacud over the last year (and I've put Mark Vaughan's scoring record in those games beside it for comparison):

Brigids 0-0 mv:0-6(2f)
Parnells 0-0 mv:0-5(2f)
T Davis 0-2 mv:0-8(5f)
Vinnies 0-1 mv:1-8(5f)
Na Fianna 0-5 mv:1-6(5f)
Dunboyne 1-10(5f) mv:susp
Rhode 0-2 mv:1-5(2f)
Rhode 1-1 mv:0-2(2f)
Salthill 0-0 mv:0-4(4f)
T. Davis 1-3 mv:0-7(5f)
Towers inj mv:0-4(3f)

If you ignore frees Cossie has scored 3-19 and Vaughan has scored 3-20. So very close, although 25% of Cossie's scores came against Dunboyne who put up no resistance. Vaughan has the added advantage of being able to take frees, but the disadvantage of having a suspect temprement. Personally I'd prefer Vaughan, but wish Ray all the best on Sunday!

Interesting that Caffrey decides a few days before the biggest game of the year to revert to playing Cullen at centre back, when he's been playing in the half forwards all year! Probably the right decision, but it definitely weakens our forward line.

jobonar

mchurl wrote:

Thought id get this going nice and early. Dublin have named their team already with a few changes in it.



DUBLIN (SF v Laois) - S Cluxton; D Henry, B Cahill, P Griffin; P Casey, B Cullen, C Goggins; C Whelan, S Ryan; C Keaney, A Brogan, K Bonner; T Quinn, R Cosgrove, J Sherlock. Subs: J Leonard, P Andrews, N O'Shea, D O'Callaghan, M Vaughan, Senan Connell, D Lally, P Christie, D Bastick, B Brogan, G Norton, D O'Mahony, R McConnell, C Prenderville, S O'Shaughnessy.

Putting Cullen centre-back is a great move imo, it is his best position. After our last performance against Longford, i have to say im not overly confident, but with a full house in Croker, the majority being Dubs, we have a very good chance. IMO this is the Leinster final for both sides, no dis-respect to Offaly or Wexford. Opinions?

i agree with Cullen at centre-back! 1 of the best players in that position in the country and needed to be put back there for a while! still dont like seeing Ryan in midfield but there's nobody else really except Bastick but he's still a bit raw i feel!

Cosgrave deserved a chance alright and glad to see Vaughan dropped... suspect temperment adn he has never brought his club form into Dublin games but he is a good option with free's should mossy be having a stinker!

indosilverclub

what time is throw in?

The Rooster

2pm throw-in.

The Leinster Junior final between Louth and Meath is on first - 1215 throw-in or thereabouts.

cruiserweight

mchurl wrote:

IMO this is the Leinster final for both sides, no dis-respect to Offaly or Wexford. Opinions?

IMO opinion Wexford can match either of those teams on their day! I hope it is Dublin we owe you one for our last 2 narrow losses! Assuming we beat Offaly

kaimera

I dunno, very similar run like last year.

Dubs not convincing v Longford, last year they had a tough game prior to the Leinster final.

We beat Carlow easily, last year hammered Kildare.

and we all remember what happened in last years Leinster

Hope it's a good game.

Laois ftw obviously but not 'that' confident.

Breezer

kaimera wrote:

and we all remember what happened in last years Leinster

You damn near beat us, that's what happened :eek: Couldn't believe our luck when Munnelly missed those frees at the very end. Though he had been doing his little yard-stealing routine all day so perhaps it was rough justice IMO Dublin and Laois are very evenly matched, it'll all come down to what happens on the day.

Glad to see Griffin back in the full back line; possibly a waste of his talent at wing back but Niall O'Shea's still too inexperienced to be risked against Laois IMO. And sure he could always do a Ryan McMenamin if needs be and crop up in the full forward line every so often Cullen at centre back I'm not so sure about, he's rock solid but he's also well capable of scoring points up front even if he didn't perform against Longford (let's face it, no one bar Keaney and Cluxton did), and our forward lines need a bit of clout other than Keaney.

Cosgrove... I'm saying nothing. We'll see what happens

oxygen_old

Will the tickets for this will sell out. Its only a quater final,
should be able to get them at the gate?

Bluetonic

oxygen wrote:

Will the tickets for this will sell out. Its only a quater final,
should be able to get them at the gate?

You better tell the Lenister council, they are under the impression that it's a semi-final.

mchurl

oxygen wrote:

Will the tickets for this will sell out. Its only a quater final,
should be able to get them at the gate?

It's a Semi i thought

And i wouldnt say you'll be able to get them at the gate but you never know, there are n sale in Croke from today up until Saturday.

Breezer

A lot of people will be considering this the biggest game in Leinster this year, so I'd say it will sell out, yes. You can get tickets from the Leinster council on 057 8682000 or on ticketmaster

sharkman

I have 3 tickets for the Hogan Lower , if anyone is interested ...

conjon

Fingers crossed it's a good game. Sheehan coming in for Kavanagh I think will help Laois. After the disappointment of the way we lost the Leinster final last year, I really hope we do it. But it's too close a game to call.

mchurl

Anyone got any spare hill tickets by any chance?? i ordered one for myself through the club but a mate of mine is only back from holiday and i forgot to put his name on the list!!

kaimera

sharkman wrote:

I have 3 tickets for the Hogan Lower , if anyone is interested ...

At face value I assume...take it to FS if you do want to sell them.

sharkman

kaimera wrote:

At face value I assume...take it to FS if you do want to sell them.

Yes @ face value . Got them for 3 mates who cant get here .. Posted on FS tickets ...

The Rooster

mchurl wrote:

Anyone got any spare hill tickets by any chance?? i ordered one for myself through the club but a mate of mine is only back from holiday and i forgot to put his name on the list!!

I might have a couple of spares, probably the Hill. I wont know till tomorrow. You'd need to be able to meet me outside Meaghars before the game to collect. Face value of course.

PM tomorrow if you still need one, and I'll let you know.

squire1

Looking forward to the first decent game in Leinster this year. Two sides with great potential. I would not be surprised with a draw. Laois seem like the complete package but have this tendancy to self destruct. Dublin need a few more players to be a great side.

Playing Ryan in midfield is a mistake, expecially against Clancy and Garvin. If Whelan does not perform the Dubs could be starved of possession. If Ryan is there to take breaking ball then Whelan is going to have to be good to overcome both Clancy and Garvin who can both take clean ball. Cosgrave is a strange choice but I can see why they are giving him another chance.

It is by no means the "real" Leinster Final as either Wexford or Offaly have the potential to upset both of these unpredictable teams.

Predict Draw, Dublin to win replay.;)

The Rooster

The Rooster wrote:

I might have a couple of spares, probably the Hill.

Scratch that, Ive no Hill tickets, sorry. Just a heap of Lower Cusack tickets

Anyone who'd like to swap their 2 Hill for my 2 Lower Cusack let me know by PM.

The Rooster

squire1 wrote:

Playing Ryan in midfield is a mistake...

Who would you suggest?

With Magee injured, there was really little choice. Bastick and O'Mahoney might be useful subs later on, but you couldnt risk either from the start.

Ryan and Whelan did break even at midfield over the 70 minutes last year, so hopefully they can do the same, but having said that I would expect Laois to come out on top this time in that department.

kaimera

sharkman wrote:

Yes @ face value . Got them for 3 mates who cant get here .. Posted on FS tickets ...

Solid.

blackbelt

This fixture might sellout 5mins before it starts.I waltzed down to Parnell and got two tickets with no hassle albeit tickets for the Nally as all Hill 16 tickets were gone from Parnell Park.Not too sure about Croker but I think it would be impossible to get Hill 16 tickets from there.

My best bet would be to swap Nally tickets for Canal,Hogan or Cusack stand and then swap them to somebody else for Hill 16 tickets.

Tip:If you want Hill 16 tickets in exchange for seating tickets,approach a woman who by chance has Hill tickets in exchange for seating tickets.Women love their luxury.I did this for the Wexford match last year.Plus you get 15 euro in your pocket for the difference.Thats drinking money right there, so not only do you enjoy the craic of cursing and cheering with the Dub fans but you save money also.

mchurl

Only got 2 Nally through the club:( Any reckon what my chances of jumping over that little black fence are?

And i have two spare Canal Tickets atm if any is interested, face vaue of course.

As for the match, i have to say im very worried about our midfield. I dont think Ryan is up to it and Whelan drifts in and out of matches too much for my liking. I think Laois will win the majority of ball around the middle so we have to be alert to quick kick-outs etc. I think if we get it up the inside forward line, we will cause a lot of damage. I just cant wait for this now. Is there many on here heading in early for a few light refreshments?;)

Waylander

Like Rooster. I do not think we have many options apart from Ryan in midfield. I would be a bit concerned about Barry Cahill who I think was named in the team as he did some ligament damage in the last game and it seems a bit quick to me to recover from that. Last year I fancied Dublin as marginal favourites going into the match, but this year I think Laois are slight favourites. Unfortunately I cant go to the match but will be listening intently on the radio. Come on you boys in blue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kingp35

I cant wait for this game. Have been dying for the next Dubs game after my trip down to Longford. Im worried about the midfield as well. Ryan wont win any high balls but there really isnt any other options at the moment. I think alot will depend on how well Whelan plays because we all know he can be very hot and cold. I have mixed feelings about Cullen being played at centre back. Thats definitely his best position but the forward line looks weaker without im there. I hope its the right decision.

As for Cosgrove im not sure. He has been playing decent for Kilmacud but, even though I dont like him, I think Vaughan might be the better option. On his day he can be fantastic but again he is very hot and cold and hasnt really done it for Dublin yet. I expect him to come on at some stage in the game though, especially if Mossy is having one of his all too frequent stinkers.

I may be biased but Dublin to edge it

Shaque attack

Playing Cullen at centre back could be a very good move by the dubs. As well as it being his best position, he'll be marking billy sheehan who can be unreliable at the big games. could well upset the laois attacks and help dublin around the middle as well as going forward.

as for dublin's forwards, doesn't really say much when they're still relying on cosgrave and jayo to do the business... does it? opinions from dublin fans please.

On paper I can't see anything but a laois win (taking into account an obvious bias - gotta take these tinted glasses off!). If beano can get a good start and micko is willing to adapt to the changes dublin will make (something he didn't do last year) we will win. looking forward to it, should be a great game.

Danno

Laois 1-15 Dublin 0-13

Beano to score the goal. Put money on it - Ladbrookes give 10/1 for this!

Kingp35

Shaque attack wrote:

as for dublin's forwards, doesn't really say much when they're still relying on cosgrave and jayo to do the business... does it? opinions from dublin fans please.

I think its well known that the area Dublin have been lacking in in the last few years has been the forwards. Too many wides in games have cost us. I agree with you that it doesnt loo good when you hve to bring Cosgrove and Jayo back but to be fair Cosgrove has had a decent season with Crokes and maybe he deserves his chance. Jayo is still capable of doing it and the big games is when he plays well. I think alot depends on which Mossy Quinn turns up. He is a massive confidence player so needs to geta good start.

Its gonna be close but I still think Dublin still have enough to edge it.

eirebhoy

Shaque attack wrote:

On paper I can't see anything but a laois win (taking into account an obvious bias - gotta take these tinted glasses off!).

6/4 in Paddy Power!

chillywilly

good to see declan o mahony is one of the subs after his injuries!!

gerire

This is the bet to put on, im just not sure which team to put it on for though?


To win
Dublin 4-6 pts 10 - 3 Laois 4-6 pts 9 - 2

kaimera

Dublin 3-17 Laois 0-12

Holy ****ing ****

Glad I'm away right now. 've not talked to anyone so I await post match reports on how it went.

ffs.

Shaque attack

what the hell happened, i'm so depressed right now, congrats to the dubs all the same they fully deserved it.

but laois, wtf???

KeRbDoG

Did anyone else think the referee was fierce bad? Stopped the flow of the game many times, missed lots of fouls for both sides and also gave cards for small things?
It was like he wanted to be the center of attention. Was a good match other than the ref and I was up for the Dubs!

Kinetic^

Yeah the ref was woeful, good game apart from him though.

Anto McC

Ref wasnt great,what was that Dublin goal disallowed for?

Dublin were powerful,winning balls in the air and winning breaking balls that they havent won in a few years and the best part is,i honestly believe they could have kicked it up another notch,had the game warrented it!

flogen

Anto McC wrote:

Ref wasnt great,what was that Dublin goal disallowed for?

The Laois player who dropped the ball was pushed, at least that's what it seemed like (haven't seen the replay yet!).

The ref did do a poor job at times, he was too slow and was often too far away from incidents to make a real decision on the matter.

Great game all the same

The Rooster

The goal was disallowed because of "square ball", not a push. The Dublin lad was in the square before the ball. The ref whistled before the ball rebounded to Brogan. It was the correct decision.

Dublin played well, but Laois were awful. Totally threw in the towel.

Very unfortunate that Clancy broke his collarbone. He fell very awkwardly after his collision with Henry. But still thats no excuse for his team-mates to stop playing. Most of them even stopped trying.

mchurl

Delighted with that win for the Dubs. I thought we played very well, but Laois were very poor as well. The loss of Clancy was a big blow to Loais and was the turning point imo. Good to see the Dublin forwards really firing and i agree that they could of stepped it up if needs be. I just hope now people dont get too carried away with the result. Yes it was a good win, but its only one win.

squire1

Huge morale boosting win for the Dubs. We will know the true extent of it when Laois play Tyrone. I'm not sure they are up to much. Ultimately they were let down by the lack of options on the bench yesterday. Fair play to Dublin, they drove on for the full 70 mins and sent out a strong signal of their intentions for the AI.

Cosgrove was excellent and if he keeps it up he will have the Hill singing long into the Summer. Keaney took some brilliant scores and Cullen was excellent at centre back. DO NOT MOVE HIM FROM THIS POSITION. Whelan kept playing for the full game which is unusual and the two corner backs grew in confidence as the game went on.

I'd say Sennal Connell got some slagging over that late miss:D. Overall a good display but some sterner tests to come. A leinster title will not be enough this year.

smashey

On days like this, I refuse to buy a newspaper. The reason for this is the fact that all papers are so biased towards Dublin that the rest of us get the impression we should just give up and hand Sam over.

Anyway, it was a good performance by Dublin but i'm not too sure about the opposition. Remember how Longford made them work.

Culchie

Dublin were great tbh, they roasted Laois full stop.

The Dubs look powerful, fast and mean and they are well managed ...they are the team to beat this year.

munster30

Which is the real Dublin, the one that struggled to beat Longford, or the one that hammered Laois.

Culchie

munster30 wrote:

Which is the real Dublin, the one that struggled to beat Longford, or the one that hammered Laois.

That's Evening Herald talk.

They are both the Real Dublin, but against different opposition, on a different day, different pitch etc....
That battle in Longford's back yard is probably the making of that team.

Anyways, they're in Croker now for the rest of the campaign, so they have that going for them from now on.

blackbelt

I was at the match and managed to get into the Hill with my Nally tickets.Great game it was and the atmosphere was excellent.

Yesterdays performance was the best I saw from Dublin in a while.I was waiting for that typical 10-15 minute period where Dublin fall asleep but it never came.Dublin were completely dominant in all areas.Cosgrove stood out in my mind as man of the match.Brogan Whelan and Mossie Quinn also played well along with Jason Sherlock and Cluxton was good in goal although not tested too much.

I didn't want the match to end.Laois crumbled after 20 minutes when the goal was scored.I feel Laois will pick themselves up and perform better against Tyrone.Tyrone are hardly sending shockwaves through the all Ireland contenders.If you ask me Dublin,Armagh,Kerry and Mayo are the only teams capable of winning it this year although dark horses like Cork and Donegal will be hard to beat.

The referee was terrible in my opinion.He seemed a good 50 yards away from the action at the sideline but lets not cry over spilled milk.Did anybody see that fight on Clonliffe Road after...what a disgrace after such a great match.Beating your rivals on the pitch is good enough but when it spills onto the street,thats ridiculous.

Dublin are the only team in Leinster who will challenge for Sam.Go on you boys in blue.

Kingp35

There was some atmosphere on the Hill yesterday, I was loving it. Great performance from the Dubs but Laois were just terrible and were never in the game. I thought Casey was Dublins man of the match. He won everything, had some great catches and good runs going forward. Keaney took some great scores and Cosgrove has secured his final place after a good game. Dublin dominated all over the field and could have won by more as some stupid scores were missed near the end.

Lets not get carried away b if Dublin can keep this level up then it will be hard to beat us.

mchurl

munster30 wrote:

Which is the real Dublin, the one that struggled to beat Longford, or the one that hammered Laois.

Two totally different games and in both games Dublin came out on top. The Longford game could be crucial for our whole season now, it was the kick up the backside they needed to really get them motoring, and plus we will be in Croker for the rest of the year as well which is a great advanatage for us.

dcr22B

http://archives.tcm.ie/laoisnationalist/2006/06/22/story23211.asp

I would say this article inspired the Dubs on Sunday, apparently Pillar had it up on the wall in the dressing as motivation so to speak!