Tribeca Update

peeko

Do any of PPP heads know if Tribeca is going to get a complete overhaul upgrade any time soon?

Other software is so nice to use compared to Tribeca (PS and FT especially). Internet players play on a variety of different sites, and I always choose others over tribeca and only ever really play them to clear bonus's. Other players seem to do the same (from what I hear on this site). Surely Tribeca Clients are loosing a lot of money because of this.

The new update to Full Tilt, and addition of more games is a nice refreshing change, and I hope Tribeca will follow suit some time soon.

bohsman

Yes I was told around a year ago that completely new software was coming in 1-2 months.

ArmaniJeanss

Peeko
what sort of thing do you not like about Tribeca ?.
I use Crypto, Tribeca, and Island (culchie) poker sites, and find Tribeca very good, nice clean easy-to-use interface. I'd have a couple of gripes, but I wouldnt see why a complete overhaul is needed.

AJ (not having a pop, just interested).

An Gaiscíoch

Peeko, is your problems with Tribeca just the infamous connection problems ??? I find PPP along with Pokerstars the nicest sites to play on. Theres something homely about PPP !!!

Imposter

An Gaisc&#237 wrote: »

Theres something homely about PPP !!!

It's because they spend a lot of time making a connection with you

califano

I think a slider raise bar would be a good improvement. Also what you type in the raise box should be the total raise instead of the blind being added to the raise. This is confusing and annoying.
Other than that i think its a good interface.

peeko

Appart from the connection issues (not that I have a come accross this as often as the players in here) I have a few issues with the software.

Software loading. I don't like the way the News window comes up. I close this window before the main window comes up and then it pops up again. I was playing on another site this morning, and when I loaded PPP the news window took over, it was up to me with Q10s after calling to see a flop, and I had to wait until the software actually loaded before being able to see the flop.

Table Selection I find this screen ugly all though it does serve it's purpose. But it just looks bad IMO... Small gripe I admit, but it's all the little things that add up.

Actual Game Raising functionality is bad. I like to bet 3/4/5/10 times the blinds, it's nice to use the slide feature implemented on most other sites. Or if you are not going to have it it would be nice to be able to type in the amount you want to bet and whack the enter key! (sometimes you want to bet quite quickly). The chat window is just in the way, especially if you are multi tabling.

Also the lagging can be quite irratating. ie when you are all in preflop with someone, you see the first card, you see the second card, then a lag, then all 3 in one go!

All in all the software is old and dated in comparison to PS, PP and FT. But the amount of players on Tribeca is on par with Full Tilt, and yet i find myself wanting to play on Full Tilt before tribeca.

There are also a lot of features they could add. Changing BGs, adding ur own avatar, adding more sound options, transfering money, game selection filters. I think if tribeca implemted some new software there would be a higher amount of players playing there instead of playing primarily on PP/PS. Anyone agree? Or do you find the amount of players that play there to be to low? Or is this even a conisderation?

peeko

rounders123 wrote:

I think a slider raise bar would be a good improvement. Also what you type in the raise box should be the total raise instead of the blind being added to the raise. This is confusing and annoying.
Other than that i think its a good interface.

ya got there before me rounders

Ollieboy

I would love to see what the total chips in play is somewhere on the screen.

Also, the tourneys structure in general could be improved a lot, its a bit of a crapshoot after the 200/400 level, all-in action etc.

robinlacey

the tournament structure could certainly do with an overhaul,also it'd be good if the list of players and stacks loaded much quicker in the lobby-this was a feature of the last party upgrade and it's really helped...also,it'd be good if the cards that were folded in a showdown were in the hand histories like on other sites...
however i think the problem is that,unlike other networks,gambling is a priority for most of the tribeca sites and not poker...
i don't know why anyone would want a slider though-they're so fiddly!

An Gaiscíoch

I'll ask some questions next week when I start there and any feedback I receive I'll post up (unless it's top secret !!!) After all it's in their interest to give the customer the best service they can. (God I'm being brain-washed by them already !!!)

bohsman

They still dont know how to balance tables in tournaments, that and the reg on rebuys are my main reasons for not playing tournaments there.

FastMachine

peeko wrote:

Table Selection I find this screen ugly all though it does serve it's purpose. But it just looks bad IMO... Small gripe I admit, but it's all the little things that add up.

I don't see any problem here. Very easy to find any game you're looking for. It could be you're just more used to the others.

Actual Game Raising functionality is bad. I like to bet 3/4/5/10 times the blinds, it's nice to use the slide feature implemented on most other sites. Or if you are not going to have it it would be nice to be able to type in the amount you want to bet and whack the enter key! (sometimes you want to bet quite quickly). The chat window is just in the way, especially if you are multi tabling.

I think the chat window is great on Tribeca. I like the fact that it's big and clear and you can go into it and get a quick review of all the actions on previous hands without having to go to the hand histories. Just close them off when you're playing, I close and open them several times a minute. Raising functionality, again it's what you're used to. And why can't you type in an amount and hit enter, works for me.

There are also a lot of features they could add. Changing BGs, adding ur own avatar, adding more sound options, transfering money, game selection filters. I think if tribeca implemted some new software there would be a higher amount of players playing there instead of playing primarily on PP/PS. Anyone agree? Or do you find the amount of players that play there to be to low? Or is this even a conisderation?

A money transfer feature would be good. It would be no harm to have the other features you suggest but I think it's fine the way it is. I think the interface is way better than party, prima and any other site I've seen. Haven't tried out pokerstars so I can't comment on that.

MadsL

PPP compared to party for instance is much cleaner. Hate the slider on Party.
you get stuff like I'll raise 1,322 (show animation of 699 assorted chips being pushed)

PPP just seems more sorted and uncluttered. Obvious amounts to bet (although I would like a 3x button to raise 4BB)

Gripes would be resizeable tables, poor multitabling and disconnects!

peeko

The slider on Stars is the way to go imo. Clicking the right hand side of it make icrements of the BB.

RE the table selection window, your right FastMachine, nothing wrong with the functionality of this screen. But it's just an eyesore to be honest. Look at the layout Stars and FT offer, and then look at this 1990's style dialog on Tribeca. It just represents cheapness in development. The effort that other sites have put into their software is evident when comparing them to VC. It's the same cheap reason I would never ever go and play pacific poker again.

PPP-Pit Boss

Hello all. Thank you for the feedback. I will try to address some of it:

lag / Disconnects: Over the last couple of months there have been three South American package issues which have affected all companies with servers in that region. This is not localised to Tribeca and certainly not to PPP who are part of that network. Last week PPP itself experienced an connectivity fit and the site went down for over an hour. We aplogise for this it doesnt happen very often. We did put on a $500 PPP is very sorry giveaway...
On a regular basis PPP also upgrade and release developements on our sportsbook. In order to facilitate this it is necessary to take the site down (This shuts off the site from the cashier) Whenever we have scheduled maintenance we announce it via the whats new and we normally schedule it at around 6 or 7am which is when poker is the least busy.
In general we have tested and retested and continually monitor the system for connectivity. Lag is not a symptom of a problem on the network, unless this is during one of the situations menetioned above. If it falls outside this it is due to personal bandwith issues which is out of our control.

News Window: Whats new window is there to promote current offers. I apologise if you do not like it but we feel it is a required marketing tool. In general once you hit the close button it does not reappear.

Slider bar: I think this is a preference thing. I have also heard people say that they hate these as you can accidentally bet over or under your intended amount. However should we receive sufficient requests for it I would definitely submit it for developement.

Table Selection: All I can say about this is that prior to upgrading to the tree system we had numerous complaints that players found it complicated to find and filter the tables as they desired. In general feedback on the new system is very positive. I believe there is still room for improvement though on the current design.

Chat Window: We implemented this style as most sites have an embedded chat window which some find irritating, this one can be closed down altogether. What exactly would you like done with it? (rude suggestions will not be added to the developement wish list!)

Tournament Structure improvements: On the way, in developement currently.

Table balancing: Fix in July

Resize tables: On develpemnt list we have received a lot of feedback about this and I agree, due to the way the site is programmed it is a massive developement task but we will get there.

Our next upgrade is due in the next six weeks.. I cant reveal what it contains but it is a sizeable change.

Please keep the feedback coming :0)

PPP-Pit Boss

bohsman wrote:

Yes I was told around a year ago that completely new software was coming in 1-2 months.

FYI This is not true, there are some major background improvements/developements being made but we will not be releasing completely new software.

5starpool

I think it is all down to personal preferences as was mentioned before. The site I started playing on is interfacewise (not graphics though) fairly similiar to Stars, i.e. same slider, same game layout screen etc, so when I started on Stars it was already a familiar type interface, and I therefore find Stars to be the best software out there, and also the most stable.

I don not particularly like the tribeca software as I find the graphics kinda clunky and unsophisticated to look at. I am also used to the integrated chat window with tabs for tournament information etc. I also think the HH could be improved big time to a format like Stars or Party. As said above though, most of this is personal taste, however, the HH is something I would definitely like to see improved. Good to see issues constantly being worked on though such as table balancing which can be a major pain in the arse at the business end of a tourney.

I prefer the tribeca interface in general though to the prima one. The small buttons, checkboxes etc on prima really wreck my head.

TrueDub

I play mostly on PPP and Stars, and have no strong opinion on which is "better". Everyone will have their own preferences and no site will be able to accomodate everybody's style.

The one thing that does irritate me intensely about PPP, and does not happen with other sites, is the News Window & Connection window remaining on top of all other windows. I tend to start a load of apps together, then flick between them while they load. Without the ability to "alt & tab" the PPP windows down the window stack they obscure everything else, which ranges from irritating to very very bothersome, especially if you're playing on another site and it obscures the action buttons!

This is the only thing I'd be bothered enough about to raise here. I think it'd be relatively easy to change this behaviour, and you still have to press OK on the News Window to access the site so you won't miss the marketing messages.

PPP-Pit Boss

So let me get this straight....

The what's new section makes it difficult for you to play on competitor sites and we should change it because.........
:0)

TrueDub

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

So let me get this straight....

The what's new section makes it difficult for you to play on competitor sites and we should change it because.........
:0)

Hmmm, good point, never looked at it that way.

Would it change things if I said it prevented me from reading my emails, or browsing the web, if only for the short time it takes to load? How about if I pointed out it's actually bad web design, although it serves the marketing purpose extremely well, satisfying the company if not the consumer?

Like I said above, it's annoying, but not something I'm going to lose sleep over, or abandon the site in a huff. I just thought I'd throw my tuppence worth in...

5starpool

TrueDub wrote:

Like I said above, it's annoying, but not something I'm going to lose sleep over, or abandon the site in a huff. I just thought I'd throw my tuppence worth in...

Well it ain't worth a ha'penny so keep schtum. Who'd be sending you emails anyhow?

jimbling

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

News Window: In general once you hit the close button it does not reappear.

this is not true... if you close the window while its still connecting, then it opens it again once its finished. Happens every time.

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

Slider bar: I think this is a preference thing. I have also heard people say that they hate these as you can accidentally bet over or under your intended amount. However should we receive sufficient requests for it I would definitely submit it for developement.

how about both? or extend the one you have to include the other multiples. (that would be my preference)
Or as already mentioned, the ps slider has the multiples at the side, so every click increments another BB.... very easy.

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

Chat Window: We implemented this style as most sites have an embedded chat window which some find irritating, this one can be closed down altogether. What exactly would you like done with it? (rude suggestions will not be added to the developement wish list!)

again... what about both? I really like the chat window in pokerroom as you can keep an eye on it via the small embedded chat window, but can expand to the 'ppp' style view with one mouse click. very user-friendly.

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

Tournament Structure improvements: On the way, in developement currently.

Table balancing: Fix in July

Resize tables: On develpemnt list we have received a lot of feedback about this and I agree, due to the way the site is programmed it is a massive developement task but we will get there.

I look forward to all of these improvements.

PPP-Pit Boss

TrueDub wrote:

Would it change things if I said it prevented me from reading my emails, or browsing the web, if only for the short time it takes to load? ..

Ah no Im only kiddin I will go off and test that stay open / open repeatedly issue and see what can be done.

TrueDub

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

Ah no Im only kiddin I will go off and test that stay open / open repeatedly issue and see what can be done.

Thanks, I'd appreciate that, even though it's only a minor quibble.

Now, could you sort out the fact that it's all rigged?

Note to all who fail to get sarcasm: the author of this post does not believe online poker is any way rigged. It's actually all controlled by little pixies in green outfits that allot the cards based on the phases of the moon, the player's shoe size (they know! they know!) and what sort of a mood they're in at the time...

peeko

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

So let me get this straight....

The what's new section makes it difficult for you to play on competitor sites and we should change it because.........
:0)

People like to play on multiple sites. I'd rather play on the better ones at the end of the day, I'm just stating my own opinion. Home from work, I'm launching PS and FT, because of the simple fact, they are better software. I think anyone in the software business will recognise this.

I do like the feel of PPP/VC though, so I look forward to any improvements. Thanks for answering my question.

MadsL

Oh, missed one thing - Those fold check/fold buttons do my head in. Make the clickable area include the word fold or whatever. By the time I manage to hit that itty bitty radio button - the real fold button has appeared. Bad GUI design tbh.

Imposter

And while we're at it put an option in to turn off those tournament notifications. When i'm busy mulling over whether to call an all-in bet with 7-2 I've no interest in knowing when the next crapshoot is on.

cardshark202

Best bet is to go to pokerstars, pay them for rights to use their software and switch. Then change you're tournament structure to match the stars tourney structure. Then increase the player base by about 10 times and voila we have one of the best sites on the net.
Good luck with the upgrade.

ocallagh

MadsL wrote:

Oh, missed one thing - Those fold check/fold buttons do my head in. Make the clickable area include the word fold or whatever. By the time I manage to hit that itty bitty radio button - the real fold button has appeared. Bad GUI design tbh.

have you ever checked one by mistake and then tried to uncheck it before it gets around to you and when you eventually manage to uncheck it, because your finger is still in quadruple click mode you check it again by mistake? repeat

califano

What about when you miss your turn because a goal went in and the software marks you as 'Temporarily away from table' then you wake up to see a good hand and action hasnt come around to you yet so you try to uncheck the sitting out box before its your turn but it doesnt take effect and your hand gets auto folded and you have to wait for the next hand:mad: ?.

MadsL

What about when you miss your turn because a goal went in and the software marks you as 'Temporarily away from table' then you wake up to see a good hand and action hasnt come around to you yet so you try to uncheck the sitting out box before its your turn but it doesnt take effect and your hand gets auto folded and you have to wait for the next hand ?.

Usually get this multitabling - big decision on one table - other table gets autofolded, I switch back to see the next hand (AA) autofolded :eek: Played a STT the other night AA 3 times, twice managed to autofold them - Agggh!

Tribeca defo has less thinking time - I'd like to see the 'time bank' idea borrowed from Party. Or a 'clock' button - click it to get 30 sec thinking time - comes up as 'player is considering' to the other players. Perhaps 2/3 mins of extra time in one MTT/STT.

PPP-Pit Boss

MadsL wrote:

Oh, missed one thing - Those fold check/fold buttons do my head in. Make the clickable area include the word fold or whatever. By the time I manage to hit that itty bitty radio button - the real fold button has appeared. Bad GUI design tbh.

Extended clickable area in next release :0)

PPP-Pit Boss

MadsL wrote:

Usually get this multitabling - big decision on one table - other table gets autofolded, I switch back to see the next hand (AA) autofolded :eek: Played a STT the other night AA 3 times, twice managed to autofold them - Agggh!

Tribeca defo has less thinking time - I'd like to see the 'time bank' idea borrowed from Party. Or a 'clock' button - click it to get 30 sec thinking time - comes up as 'player is considering' to the other players. Perhaps 2/3 mins of extra time in one MTT/STT.

Erm Im givin all me secrets away but.....
You will have this feature soon

califano

Could it be organised to have the table left open for at least a minute or so after a tournament?. Currently it closes too quick. Some people like to pass their compliments and what not back and forth to the winner?:)

Bp!

rounders123 wrote:

Could it be organised to have the table left open for at least a minute or so after a tournament?. Currently it closes too quick. Some people like to pass their compliments and what not back and forth to the winner?:)

Do you usually stick around to watch the end or something??

One feature which is *badly* needed is the "fold to any bet button"

Its simple but very effective

PPP-Pit Boss

rounders123 wrote:

Could it be organised to have the table left open for at least a minute or so after a tournament?. Currently it closes too quick. Some people like to pass their compliments and what not back and forth to the winner?:)

Hmmm interesting suggestion
Into the "good idea pile"

califano

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

Hmmm interesting suggestion
Into the "good idea pile"

Yeah i thought so. I remember when MrPillowtalk and NorwichfanRob won their irish open/wsop tickets people wanted to pass on their congrats etc but the table closed secondss after the final hand.

BP! wrote:

Do you usually stick around to watch the end or something??

Oh yeah its always nice to discuss with the winner how he called to win with 10 high!

peeko

rounders123 wrote:

Could it be organised to have the table left open for at least a minute or so after a tournament?. Currently it closes too quick. Some people like to pass their compliments and what not back and forth to the winner?:)

always such a gentleman rounders :P

theslick

I find it very difficult to look at the previous hand in the chat window as it keeps jumping to the bottom every time something new is added. A checkbox to disable autoscroll would be good.

robinlacey

theslick wrote:

I find it very difficult to look at the previous hand in the chat window as it keeps jumping to the bottom every time something new is added. A checkbox to disable autoscroll would be good.

yeah i actually went back and found this thread because i couldn't believe i forgot to mention this initially-this is so incredibly annoying its hard to describe...it happens with hand histories too,now when i play i have to keep a notepad open and ctr+a then ctr+c in the chat box and often it doesnt work the first time cause some other table has popped up...this really needs to be sorted out

peeko

Where's the love PPP-Pit Boss Nothing you promised came through!

Scotty #

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

Buddy list is not broken.. buddy list is being enhanced / developed it has been pretty much the same for the past couple of years and it is simply high time we made it better.

From Oct-05 - Buddy list did reappear soon after....but it was the exact same!!:rolleyes:

accensi0n

robinlacey wrote:

yeah i actually went back and found this thread because i couldn't believe i forgot to mention this initially-this is so incredibly annoying its hard to describe...it happens with hand histories too,now when i play i have to keep a notepad open and ctr+a then ctr+c in the chat box and often it doesnt work the first time cause some other table has popped up...this really needs to be sorted out

Pay great attention to this post PPP.

wayfarer

When some of the scandie names come up like "bj�rton", is that a fault with my computer or the Tribeca software? If it's my computer, how do I fix it?? and if it's Tribeca, SORT IT OUT!!

Fatboydim

One thing I've found in rebuy tourneys is that if you happen to be chatting at the time the add on box pops up - you can suddenly find yourself taking an add on you didn't want. This once cost me $200.

Also when you click the check/ fold box and the action passes you and someone bets the check/fold doesn't stick. V annoying with multi tables up.

As olly say a count of total chips and chip averages would be nice. And a couple of deep stack tourneys FO with good guaruntees.

Oh yeah and I'd like to win more too

ullu

wayfarer wrote:

When some of the scandie names come up like "bj�rton", is that a fault with my computer or the Tribeca software? If it's my computer, how do I fix it?? and if it's Tribeca, SORT IT OUT!!

That occurs when someone uses the € symbol, try it in the chat window and the same happens.

ianmc38

I was told 6 months ago that the payout structure was being changed from top 27 only. What happened that?

bohsman

ianmc38 wrote:

I was told 6 months ago that the payout structure was being changed from top 27 only. What happened that?

Expected in the next 2-3 weeks Im sure...

Anyone playing at GreenJokerPoker just email Tom or Mike with any questions, Im sure theyve nothing better to do, anyone playing on tribeca but not on GJP - Why in the world not???

Bandana boy

OKay
needed on tribeca

Fold to any bet button Cant believe you still do not have this

Extended buddy list every time i find a new fish i have to discard an old 1 and as i bounce between 1-2 to 3-6 plus PLO 30 is not enough

The hand history does not always show a hand that was mucked after showdown it should always

There should be a bet pot button

The raise should be what you raise to not what your raising on top

It would be nice to be able to postion your place on the table where you want ala Full tilt

ArmaniJeanss

Bandana boy wrote:

The raise should be what you raise to not what your raising on top

Nooooo, this would be a nightmare if they changed this just as I've finally got used to it. You might as well swap the Fold and Check buttons whilst you're at it.
No problem with the rest, all good ideas (Nice if you could follow a buddy to an STT though).

To Bohsman, re GJP, I went to their home page and thought it was badly laid out with no clear information, so didnt bother downloading the client.