History - The Response

delta_bravo

well i thought the documents were ok but i was shocked to see just 1 case study from my topics! some others were kind of hidden in other questions but the oil crisis was the only full question. i do think lots of ppl will be disappointed. i was hoping for a b1/a2 but now only expect a b3 . bye bye trinity:D

Attractive Nun

Fairly bad paper, I'd say a lot of people made a mess of it what with the lack of case studies. I got lucky and I think I nailed it, however. So I shan't be complaining!

GrumPy

I'm sure I passed, but It was a messed up paper.

schnupi

ye i was very disappointed as well. i used to get a1 - b1's in history but was really disappointed. i totally ****ed up the question bout sovietisation gave totally wrong facts and all.. well thats not gonna be more then 20 marks :mad: then once again i thought the question on the rise of facism was quite handy. i was surprised though to see nothing on 1916 or fianna fail.. i did the question on irish culture (topic3)as i didnt ve enough thing to say bout the other questions

ah well what can ye do.. the documents where handy enough though i hate questions 2 and 3... such a pain in d arse

i really think i ll get nothing better then a c in this paper... **** it sure:rolleyes:

HoboJesus

The documents were grand enough. I thought the Stalin one was quite nice actually, pretty broad topic, didn't even give a timeframe. Yacked on about 5yr plans and collectivisation a bit. My Sov/Part question was a bit meh, really broad topic but in the bad way, asks for specific parts of about 5 essays worth of information. I'm hoping As/Bs for those but the Oil Crisis question DEFINITELY brought me down. Ran out of time so only got about 2 pages down, a lot of it was waffle and I forgot to focus on the west and went a bit into petro-dollars >.<. Hopefully the first three and my topic will get me a mid-high B. Dissappointed though since my teacher was rooting for me to get an A1 =C.

Dagnir Glaurung

I thought it was the most beautiful paper I've ever seen. I made sweet pen love to it.

Setun

Dagnir Glaurung wrote:

I thought it was the most beautiful paper I've ever seen. I made sweet pen love to it.

Jaysus

I thought it was a moderately successful exam for me. Strange questions though, did anyone else do the Opposition to Sovietisation Q?What'd ya talk about?

Holsten

Horrible, made stupid mistakes, I'll be happy with a D tbh.

joxer05

Modern Ireland question was a bit wierd, "How do you account for the political instablility and economic problems during the period 1949-59". could only think of the mother and child crisis for political instability. forgot to mention Ira border campaign.

Rockerette

Dagnir Glaurung wrote:

I thought it was the most beautiful paper I've ever seen. I made sweet pen love to it.

ditto. almost!





to quote myself yesterday in another thread

"ideal world:

-Anti-Semitism in France and Russia from Nation States..
-Stalin's Red Terror & The Moscow Show Trials from Dictatorship & Democracy
-Cumann Na nGaedhael's Economic Policies, OR N. Ireland during WW2, including the Blitz and all that jazz.


that my friends, is probably very unlikely, but i would be a very happy girl if those came up."




there is a god




I LOVED the question on crisis in Russia, about anti-semitism, and also the effects of industrialisation, and the war. couldnt have asked for a better question.

the one of Stalin's economy and society was beautiful too...


And N. Ireland and the Rep. during the war. niiiiice.













the documents were grand, i was just a bit stumped about what to write about Parnell :eek:
But im not lettin that get me down, im too happy.
its not that im thinking "OMG! i SO got an A!!" - its just that this was hte only exam i was really worried about, and it went almost perfectly.. i dont expect an A.. i just now dont have to worry about getting a D.... hopefully...

randomchild

The document was nice, and I liked the question about stalin, the question abou the EEC was a bit queer (Should have had a longer time span), and the we get to irish history...Couldnt do any of the questions that came up (where's the rise of Sinn Fein love? No Dev? WTF...) So I waffled for 3 pages about emigration and foriegn irish people. (probally failed that question). But that was a nasty paper. Few peple in my school were happy about it.

Dave Larkin

It wasn't the best paper, but I gave it a good go. The documents questions were pretty nice, to be honest. When I looked through the paper initially and saw no case studies in the topics I'd studied, I was pretty shocked. Our teacher put special emphasis on them. In the sample paper given out by the SEC, one case study came up in each topic. It was a bad feeling, but I got it done in the end.

I expect a C or a B.

exiot

I thought it was awful, documents were grand, The Irish questions were grand but the European questions were awful. I ended up doing the Oil Crisis, the worst thing about that question was it wasnt based on the actual Oil Crisis but on the effects in had on Western European countries only..

Rockerette

personally i didnt focus on the case studies really, but you couldve written about a good few of them no?

well, in the topics we did..


Sovreignty & Partition:
Blitz on Belfast
Eucharistic Congress

Nation States:
Naval Policy of Wilhelm II

Dictatorship & Democracy:
Show Trials
Jarrow March



thats 5 of out what, 9?

goodgod3rd

i loved the paper.

too bad i didnt know any of the facts.

the doc was sweet, but the partition question in topic 3 was a pain.. i rambled on, adn on..

and not one date. i scraped a pass i think....

but still, nice questions! he he our teacher said.. he didnt think the case studys would come up! ha ha! i thought he was being silly

Kovik

A bizarre, ludicrously arranged paper.

I had to compare church-state relations in the early 1870s to naval policy in the 1900s. I mean, what is the point of dividing the course into perspectives if you're going to do that? Ridiculous. Utterly, uttlerly stupid.

I shat all over the Dictatorship and Democracy question too. Two questions came up from the economic perspective, one from the cultural perspective. The sole question that came up from the political perspective didn't even involve any chapter or topic in particular. "The Rise of Fascism in Europe" is a crazily general question from a perspective that included the Weimar Republic, administration of four different states and an enormous web of foreign policy. Really absurd.

As for pursuit of sovereignty, I did the question on the north and south during the war. On the mock, this was my weakest essay. I really hope I improved it this time.

The layout of this paper was, put crudely, dumb as it could possibly have been. It utterly ignored the pretences of the sample paper, the inservice days and the content of the course itself.

I'll get no higher than a C1 in German, which leaves me in a position where I need an A1 from physics on Monday to get the points I need. I am not a happy sandwich.

casanova_kid

I thought it was tough enough. I thought question 1 was hard enough. I did the partition question, realised i was only at 1914 and time was going fast so i just fecked a few dates onto the page and concluded. Then the fascism one was alright and i did the sovietisation one and completely got mixed up with Gero, Rakosi and Nagy whehn writing about the hungarian uprisung

GrumPy

Kovik wrote:

A bizarre, ludicrously arranged paper.

I had to compare church-state relations in the early 1870s to naval policy in the 1900s. I mean, what is the point of dividing the course into perspectives if you're going to do that? Ridiculous. Utterly, uttlerly stupid.

I shat all over the Dictatorship and Democracy question too. Two questions came up from the economic perspective, one from the cultural perspective. The sole question that came up from the political perspective didn't even involve any chapter or topic in particular. "The Rise of Fascism in Europe" is a crazily general question from a perspective that included the Weimar Republic, administration of four different states and an enormous web of foreign policy. Really absurd.

As for pursuit of sovereignty, I did the question on the north and south during the war. On the mock, this was my weakest essay. I really hope I improved it this time.

The layout of this paper was, put crudely, dumb as it could possibly have been. It utterly ignored the pretences of the sample paper, the inservice days and the content of the course itself.

I'll get no higher than a C1 in German, which leaves me in a position where I need an A1 from physics on Monday to get the points I need. I am not a happy sandwich.

Good summary, it was indeed bizarre, and entirely NOT similar to the sample papers, and what my teacher predicted. Not only this paper though, both maths and biology papers this year have had alot of critisism.

piece of piss

Kovik

Irish GrumPy wrote:

Good summary, it was indeed bizarre, and entirely NOT similar to the sample papers, and what my teacher predicted. Not only this paper though, both maths and biology papers this year have had alot of critisism.

True. I'm beginning to suspect that the Grand High Examiner Alpha instructed those people laying out the papers to make the questions require some lateral thought in order to reduce the influence of 'tute types. The result of which being that they ignore, you know, the syllabus. If this is the case, I'm dreading physics on Monday. Oh Lordy, that one will be tough.

Rockerette

jees guys just cos it didnt suit you, dont call it "bizarre or obsurd". it was fine

GrumPy

Rockerette wrote:

jees guys just cos it didnt suit you, dont call it "bizarre or obsurd". it was fine

But it was?

It was nothing like the state sample papers!!!

casanova_kid

I though there was some strange questions. paritition for 1912 to 1920, i could write a book on that.

foogirl

I thought it was a big ball of crap.

Rockerette

i wasnt exactly overly studying or anything, but i could've answered at least 2 from each section.. i dunno, maybe we just were lucky, or unlucky, with what we studied, but i had no problems with teh actual questions themselves either..





ok.. i'll go back into my box

brid_m

Bloody history!!!!!!!!!!!!! I totally fecked that up! :rolleyes:

GrumPy

I had at least 10 topics prepared fully, and a few half arsed, 2 ****in' topics came up. :rolleyes: I still passed it though.

d4gurl

Kovik wrote:

A bizarre, ludicrously arranged paper.

I had to compare church-state relations in the early 1870s to naval policy in the 1900s. I mean, what is the point of dividing the course into perspectives if you're going to do that? Ridiculous. Utterly, uttlerly stupid.

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I agree!I didnt have bismark and the church prepare (just bismarks foriegn policy!)so my whole essay was on the naval policy!wish i had learned coloinism!

Irish question I did on north and south - should of been easy - but I cudnt remember a lot

Stalin - society and econmy meant to be my best and most prepared still dont think it went as well!

Document: At first I was like WTF?? but i got through it and it made sense! Did anwyone say that the pic of gladstone represented his fall of power and how he cant hold on and also d split in liberal party?and dat parnelly cudnt do anything in the end he jus watchd it all crumbel? and d two little wee irish men were ireland and dey showed that land bil and home rule = social unrest?but doc A said the two wud lead to soloution to social unrest?

oh I dnt know!what a stupid paper!yuk!Rocrette - it was weird - well thats what most people think! just because it went beautiful for you :rolleyes:

RagShagBill

It was tough, but not shocking. In another thread, I said the department would be too scared to leave out case studies, but that - on the other hand - they wouldn't want everyone to get As, which would happen if Case Studies came up. Well, today the questions covered Case Studies, but demanded a little bit more.

Eg.
North and/or South Social and Economic: Belfast Blizt.
Opposition to Sovietisation: Hungarian Uprising.
Stalin's transformation of society and economy: Show Trials.

I think I did decently, though I won't maintain my A1 from the mocks. Including the Special Project, I'd be happy with a B1. I'm finished the Leaving Cert, and I'm almost certain I got my points.

Tellox

That was a toughie, I have to say. Tipped to make appearances in full question form were the rising, and Hitler - both only appeared as small portions of big questions.

Thankfully, I was well up to speed on CNG(Cosgrave), Stalin, and Imperialism. So everything was ok in the end.

One problem though - Most of the Dates entirely eluded me. I got a few in here and there, but not enough. How much could this get me docked?

A lot of people are complaining.. I think I did well enough to merit a B, so hopefully I can drift into the safety zone of the 300pts area, pending on how art history treats me. Then its Physics, Music, and freedom awaits!

<snip> Oh, and that case study was BEAUTIFUL. </snip>

fearcruach

The paper really caught you out if you were gambling on certain topics coming up ie the case studies. Our teacher got it sooo wrong. I'm really glad I think he's an idiot and stopped listening to him at Christmas and did my own thing. The Department seems to be asking different questions this year, stuff thats not straighforward, to see if people actually learn the thing not just learn off essays and stuff. It happened with Maths and Biology. People complained that it was weird. None of these papers were weird. They asked legitimate questions. People should stop blaming bad papers for lack of preparation. This is the leaving cert. Gambling on topics is what it is; gambling. My two cents:rolleyes:

Orizio

Rockerette wrote:

jees guys just cos it didnt suit you, dont call it "bizarre or obsurd". it was fine

They have a point.The Bismarck and Church Relations/Naval Policy was easy enough to me,but it was in itself a very strange way to ask a question.They aren't actually linked in anyway,and it was obvious that Naval Policy was far more damaging to Germany.

Screwed it up myself.Short on time,stamina and I was just sooooo tired that I left out part 4 on Parnell and didn't quite finish the Fascism essay.Story of my leaving cert really.Was expecting a B;should get a solid C which isn't good enough.

I can see a few people complaining about how the questions were asked really.,although it wasn't an overly difficult paper.

Yufster

After the History Exam my friend and I woed about it for a bit.

"What did you do for the Irish Question?" I asked casually. Then I paused and added: "OR DID YOU GET LLOYD GEORGE TO DO IT FOR YOU!?!" Then I laughed really hysterically for a bit and thought about how funny I am.


In other news, I can't believe I messed up the first question. I'm such a nonce. First of all I think I completely misinterpeted the cartoon... I said it represented Gladstone failing to get Home Rule but trying so hard that he erm, broke the liberal party, and that Parnell was pretending to help by holding his hat while Gladstone laboured away. I don't know! And then I did the worst thing ever. I couldn't think of any PARTICULARLY good or bad things that Parnell did, so I left the question for a bit and decided to go back to it after clearing my head a bit.

I ran out of time in the exam because my answer for 1912 - 1920 was so long. And I didn't go back to that question to finish it.

Easy marks lost. Ahh well.

Rockerette

i really dont get some of you guys... all these topics are in the book, so why shouldnt they come up as essays?!

someone mentioned something that was "tipped" - TIPPED BY WHO!??!?!!!????




just because not everything could be predicted on it, (like say the English paper...) people seem to be having a hissy fit.

d4gurl, of course im happy with it if it went well for me..! but thats not my point.. Im not the only one here who was happy with it, and im not some big history nerd or anything, i just used my head, and covered a good few topics...



Fair play to the Dept. for not being as predictable as most people expected...

GrumPy

Rockerette wrote:

Fair play to the Dept. for not being as predictable as most people expected...

I really dont think you get the point. The questions were very weird, nothing at all like the sample papers, and there was almost no case studies, again nothing like sample papers. :rolleyes: I passed, and I answered 2 of my three essays well. But thats not the point! It was still a nasty paper. Fair enough you had the right stuff covered, and hope you get the result you deserve, but I still think the paper was alot different to how it should have been.
And no, I am not pissed off cause it wasn't easy, I'm just a bit confused how random it was.

Rockerette

in the topics i did, there was 5 out of the 9 case studies that you coudla written about..




How "should" the paper have been can i ask?



im really not tryin to piss people off here or anything.. and im sorry that i didnt go as well as most of you hoped.. i know that feeling.. but.. i dunno. im really not trying to be arrogant or annoying here, i promise im not...!


Eg. Dictatorship & Democracy, what was wrong with the questions?

i genuinely dont see a problem..
- Reasons for growth of Fascism
- Stalin's influece on society & economy
- Britain between the Wars
- Warfare Technology..

Use your head to answer the bits like "to what extent", or "how successful"..

anyways, im sure im just pissing people off so i'll stop...

blahhh

I had a wee panic attack this mornin as....that's when i decided to start studyin for history :eek:

So I gave ordinary a lash.....twas very do-able......

although looks like all case studies i looked at came up on honours.. frig......... :mad:

anna.fun

I thought the history paper was easy enough and the questions were alright if you would have studied... the only thing was that I was stuck for time. Wrote about 2,5 or 3 pages for each essay and finished just at 4.50 ...

did South North WW2 impact on society and economy and included the Blitz of Belfast Case Study

Then did the Bismarck and Wilhelm 2. question and then the facism question...

think I'll be getting a B2 or B1

GrumPy

Rockerette wrote:

How "should" the paper have been can i ask?





Eg. Dictatorship & Democracy, what was wrong with the questions?

i genuinely dont see a problem..
- Reasons for growth of Fascism
- Stalin's influece on society & economy
- Britain between the Wars
- Warfare Technology..

Paper should have been asked like the SAMPLE papers. It's a bit like a sample of urine, if you get a blue sample back 3 months later, your like wtf?

The question you mentioned above was fine, now I'f I had the time to list all the little weirdass things I'd be hear all night, and I have art in the morning. (check out my semi-leet editing skills)

d4gurl

I agree with grumpy the most weird question on the paper was Wilhelm 2 and Bismark! Its my own fault for only studyin bismarks foreign poilcy, women in the work force in w2 and wilhelm shud of done bismark and church and colonism oh wel anwsered the question!the other two parts were grand!that question just got me down! I was like wtf? I kept saying Bismark and the church had bad relations but this was not as damagin as Wilhelm two's naval policy and then I went on a rant bout Wilhelm two and the hms dreadnought!hopefully special topic will bring me up!

GrumPy

d4gurl wrote:

I agree with grumpy the most weird question on the paper was Wilhelm 2 and Bismark! Its my own fault for only studyin bismarks foreign poilcy, women in the work force in w2 and wilhelm shud of done bismark and church and colonism oh wel anwsered the question!the other two parts were grand!that question just got me down! I was like wtf? I kept saying Bismark and the church had bad relations but this was not as damagin as Wilhelm two's naval policy and then I went on a rant bout Wilhelm two and the hms dreadnought!hopefully special topic will bring me up!

"Bismarck's church relations didnt cause as much damage to Germany as Wilhelm's naval policy"- BOOOM

"In 1897, Admiral von tirpitz *3 pages later* to conclude, Wilhelm's naval poilcy was the single biggest cause of the outbreak of war in 1918, and clearly caused more damage than Bismarck to Germany in the depression that was sustained by the German economy during and after the inter-war period"

:rolleyes: yeah, so I basically just wrote about teh naval policy.

d4gurl

mine is the exact same!haha! I remember months ago however when are teacher gave us an essay on the ecconomic policies of Stalin and Lenin! back then he told us you only need to mention Lenin but make sure to refer to him! I just wish i had somehting on d stupid church! go on d HMS dreadnought!what an aniyalotor!! oh I got in this quote - Bismark had played chess Wilhelm had played poker! stupid corrector better mark that one a bit easy!!

GrumPy

d4gurl wrote:

oh I got in this quote - Bismark had played chess Wilhelm had played poker! /quote]

Not relevant to the question at all really :rolleyes: But Im sorry I didnt put it in It's a great quote.

d4gurl

Irish GrumPy wrote:

d4gurl wrote:

oh I got in this quote - Bismark had played chess Wilhelm had played poker! /quote]

Not relevant to the question at all really :rolleyes: But Im sorry I didnt put it in It's a great quote.

haha i know! I jus wanted to show of! hehe! Actually i think i brought it in sayin the church and bismark had bad relations that said bismark maintaind the peace of europe through his system of allinace while wilehm two broke thes down and destroyed germany

well alon those lines! why didn a lovely quesiton just on bismarks foreign policy come up?i would of gotten 100%

GrumPy

d4gurl wrote:

why didn a lovely quesiton just on bismarks foreign policy come up?i would of gotten 100%

Because your god is vengeful, and you had impure thoughts.

Gambra

Anyone else do the question on Alexander Solzhenitsyn & Simone de Beauvoir? I thought it was ridicuiosly easy. True I'd researched their stuff myself completly away from the history course but still.. I did it instead of the topic I was supposed to do, the Dictatorship & Democracy one. I'm well pleased..

d4gurl

Irish GrumPy wrote:

Because your god is vengeful, and you had impure thoughts.

bah humbug meath drogheda boy

GrumPy

Hey!! no fair! I am A Dub, moved house 2 years ago. Go back to your precious dubes.

d4gurl

u go back to ur dubes!! u are assuming so much about me just from my name!haha wel i did dat to u too grumpy!! change ur name from drogheda/meath!did u kno i was born in drogheda and lived in meath for like 5 year!??!!! woah! bye farm boy

Rockerette

d4gurl wrote:

I just wish i had somehting on d stupid church!

do you not have a text book???!

Tellox

Rockerette wrote:

in the topics i did, there was 5 out of the 9 case studies that you coudla written about..




How "should" the paper have been can i ask?



im really not tryin to piss people off here or anything.. and im sorry that i didnt go as well as most of you hoped.. i know that feeling.. but.. i dunno. im really not trying to be arrogant or annoying here, i promise im not...!


Eg. Dictatorship & Democracy, what was wrong with the questions?

i genuinely dont see a problem..
- Reasons for growth of Fascism
- Stalin's influece on society & economy
- Britain between the Wars
- Warfare Technology..

Use your head to answer the bits like "to what extent", or "how successful"..

anyways, im sure im just pissing people off so i'll stop...

Im sure your whinge about tips was directed towards me, so I'll reply.
The radio's, as well as many teachers, were tipping 1916 as of the 90th anniversary, and the first year of the marches. Hitler, teachers of a few schools were mentioning downfall, and his importance in him coming up.

But Im not complaining. I knew 2/4 questions on each topic, and answered them. Im just stating that some of the questions asked were very odd, and the less astute of us might have failed as a result.