Irish army weapons

KdjaCL

Anyone know the exact rifles of the irish army?

From anti tank ...lol to assault


kdjac

GrumPy

Standard Rifle I always see them with outside banks when the secure van thingys are dropping off money is the AUG 5.56 Irish Military Rifle

"In the Irish Defence Forces the Steyr AUG was selected after more than two years of exhaustive technical assessment by the Army Ordinance Corps and field trials by units throughout the Defence Forces. Initially a total of nine weapons (Beretta AR70/90, the Colt M16A2, the Enfield L85A1, the FN FNC, the HK G41, the IMI Galil, the FAMAS, the SIG SG550, and the Steyr AUG) from various countries were evaluated technically in firing trials, each firing thousands of rounds while their accuracy and reliability were gauged. Deliveries of the Steyr AUG to the Irish Defence Forces began in 1988. Today the Steyr is the primary infantry weapon of the Permanent & Reserve elements of Ireland's military forces, although it was not introduced into the Reserve Defence Force until some time later."

tom_ass19

KdjaC wrote:

Anyone know the exact rifles of the irish army?

From anti tank ...lol to assault


kdjac

here if you rly want to find out more I can ask my uncle if you want. He's a officer up in the curragh and he specialises in weaponry...send me a pm if you want..

Irishpimpdude

Id love to know too... can you not just tell us all the info?

Manic Moran

Carl Gustaf is an 84mm recoilless anti-tank rifle, though it has a variety of warheads from anti-personnel through illumination.

Snipers and ARW chappies get a little more leeway in their rifles, they're not confined solely to the AUG.

NTM

GrumPy

Manic Moran wrote:

they're not confined solely to the AUG.

NTM

Never said they were. But it is the standard Irish militray issue rifle firearm.

Hagar

Manic Moran wrote:

Carl Gustaf is an 84mm recoilless anti-tank rifle, though it has a variety of warheads from anti-personnel through illumination.

Are they still using those? I fired those live in the Glen of Imaal in 1974. I suppose they are still effective. Are there any plans to update them?

ISAW

Manic Moran wrote:

Carl Gustaf is an 84mm recoilless anti-tank rifle, though it has a variety of warheads from anti-personnel through illumination.

Snipers and ARW chappies get a little more leeway in their rifles, they're not confined solely to the AUG.

NTM

Yeah I used that thing. thats where I confused HEAT with SABOT in our other exchange. I dont think the illumination included WP does it?


the 60 and 80 mmm mortars were also standard. Might well be gone now. They used have the bolt action Lee Enfield .303 and the FN befoer the stryr (FN-FAL) I think. there is also a Gustaf SMG and pistols e.g. BAP which are standard issue for NCO's and officers.

http://www.62infantry.com/Infantry_Company_Jobs.shtml

skink

Ok to make this easier, i am only going to name current weapons in use,

Bap 9mm(pistol)
Steyr AUG 5.56mm(assult rifle)
FN GPMG 7.62(general prupose machine gun)
Bren LMG .303(light machine gun in use by rdf only)
Browning .5 hmg(heavy machine gun)
Accuracy international sniper rifles, two calibres, 1 .5 and one 7.62 or something similar, i am 100% sure on it.
81mm long barrel mortar
vektor 60mm mortar
120mm mortar(not sure on what is happening here, possibly up for a change soon enough)
carl gustav 84mm recoiless rifle(explained already)also hagar, the sight system is very good on it, and you know the saying if it ain't broke don't fix it!
sraaw(short range anti armour weapon, disposable)
underslung m203 grenade launcher for the steyr
L119 and L118 105mm howitzers(artillery)
25pdr field gun(artillery)
El 70(anti aircraft)
RBS 70 SAM (anti aircraft)
Javelin(anti tank)

then if you want to go into fighting vehicles
Scoprian cvrt
Aml 20
Aml 90
and the mowags

i have probably left out a few things, did not include any weapons used by the arw, as in use by willie o'dea in that infamous photo, alot fo the stuff is old but still useable and still effective.

Hagar

skink wrote:

carl gustav 84mm recoiless rifle(explained already)also hagar, the sight system is very good on it, and you know the saying if it ain't broke don't fix it!

Agreed ! I really enjoyed firing it.

Manic Moran

The US Army Rangers are using the Carl Gustaf these days, it's a handy little piece of portable fire support.

The Irish ones were upgraded a few years ago with new sights, and kicked up a level as the AT-4 became the new section anti-armour weapon.

NTM

babybundy

skink wrote:

i have probably left out a few things, did not include any weapons used by the arw, as in use by willie o'dea in that infamous photo, alot fo the stuff is old but still useable and still effective.

that was the sig p226 arw wepon the gardai are getting them now they are so good
arw also have mp5's various types they have the spas shot gun for knocking on doors in a nice way i've heard they got the acc. international in a 50 cal

Alkers

skink wrote:

Ok to make this easier, i am only going to name current weapons in use,

Bap 9mm(pistol)
Steyr AUG 5.56mm(assult rifle)
FN GPMG 7.62(general prupose machine gun)
Bren LMG .303(light machine gun in use by rdf only)
Browning .5 hmg(heavy machine gun)
Accuracy international sniper rifles, two calibres, 1 .5 and one 7.62 or something similar, i am 100% sure on it.
81mm long barrel mortar
vektor 60mm mortar
120mm mortar(not sure on what is happening here, possibly up for a change soon enough)
carl gustav 84mm recoiless rifle(explained already)also hagar, the sight system is very good on it, and you know the saying if it ain't broke don't fix it!
sraaw(short range anti armour weapon, disposable)
underslung m203 grenade launcher for the steyr
L119 and L118 105mm howitzers(artillery)
25pdr field gun(artillery)
El 70(anti aircraft)
RBS 70 SAM (anti aircraft)
Javelin(anti tank)

then if you want to go into fighting vehicles
Scoprian cvrt
Aml 20
Aml 90
and the mowags

i have probably left out a few things, did not include any weapons used by the arw, as in use by willie o'dea in that infamous photo, alot fo the stuff is old but still useable and still effective.

You then have the Navy, not typing it out, it's all listed here: http://www.military.ie/naval/weaponry.htm

babybundy

Simona1986 wrote:

You then have the Navy, not typing it out, it's all listed here: http://www.military.ie/naval/weaponry.htm

they have much more not shownor said on the internet

cushtac

babybundy wrote:

that was the sig p226 arw wepon the gardai are getting them now they are so good

Only certain Garda units got the P.226. The Gardai will be replacing their revolvers with Walther P.99's and/or P.99 C's.

ISAW

Manic Moran wrote:

The US Army Rangers are using the Carl Gustaf these days, it's a handy little piece of portable fire support.

The Irish ones were upgraded a few years ago with new sights, and kicked up a level as the AT-4 became the new section anti-armour weapon.

NTM

I remember using this nearly 20 years ago, so it nust be the old sights. The coaching was vrey bad because NCO's went on at length about how the ground rocks and the fire coming out the back and so on. Similar to telling guys that a .303 has such a kick. Normally when suchlike guys get up to the fire line their first few shots are invariably all over the place because they are gripping the thing with a vice like perconsception of imminent trauma.

Anyway if I am correct either the Argentineans or the Brits actually sunk or crippled a ship with an 84 in the Malvinas.

This might be it http://www.naval-history.net/F14sgeorgia.htm
In the south Georgisa invasion:

Now "Guerrico" sailed in to support the landings and opened fire on the British positions, but it was her turn to be hit by hundreds of rounds of small arms fire as well as 66mm LAW and 84mm Carl Gustav anti-tank weapons before heading back out into the Bay.

Here is another one: http://www.raf.mod.uk/falklands/inv1.html

No.4 Section, on the north side of the harbour near the entrance, detected a landing craft trying to pass through the narrows into the harbour, and fired their 84mm Carl Gustav at the ship. The round holed the side of the vessel, which shortly sank...

ISAW

skink wrote:

Ok to make this easier, i am only going to name current weapons in use,

So the 9mm Gustav SMG is gone then?

By the way Karl Gustav was the King of Sweden. People may think of Sweden as a civilised peaceful nordic country but they are a member of NATO and have an international weapons business. Those SAAB cars are part of a company which makes fighter jets.

http://www.counterpunch.org/sulerhia10312005.html

Saab Cashes In

skink

ISAW wrote:

So the 9mm Gustav SMG is gone then?
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Yep gone completely once the steyr was introduced

civdef

People may think of Sweden as a civilised peaceful nordic country but they are a member of NATO...

Sweden being a member of NATO may come as a considerable surprise to the Swedes...

babybundy

i fired the 9mm gustav once and didn't like it i miss the fn fal as ii found it to be a very good weapon i dont like the styre either too many parts and you cant slap someone with it because of the ballpup design

skink

babybundy wrote:

that was the sig p226 arw wepon the gardai are getting them now they are so good
arw also have mp5's various types they have the spas shot gun for knocking on doors in a nice way i've heard they got the acc. international in a 50 cal

cushtac covered the sig subject, also no, the arw the remington 870 combat shotgun, not a spas

babybundy wrote:

i fired the 9mm gustav once and didn't like it i miss the fn fal as ii found it to be a very good weapon i dont like the styre either too many parts and you cant slap someone with it because of the ballpup design

well if i had the choice between stripping a steyr or an fn in the dark i would take the steyr any day....
Also is ballpup some type of dog? or are you talking about the bullpulp design of the steyr?

Manic Moran

The corvette (French A-69 class) ARA Guerrico was not sunk by the 84mm, contrary to that website. It is still a serving vessel of the Argentine Navy.

It was, however, so shot up by everything fired at it (Not just the 84mm) that it returned home and did not take any futher part in the war. However, the exocet missiles were taken off the ship, flown to the islands, mounted on a flatbed trailer, and one hit HMS Glamorgan, killing a few people and sending the heavy destroyer back to the UK, so I guess all in all it was about an even trade.

NTM

babybundy

skink wrote:

Also is ballpup some type of dog? or are you talking about the bullpulp design of the steyr?

sorry i missed a button and i have been told by a good source they do use the spas and and i would assume you looked atthe df site you would see it says they use the 226

www.military.ie/army/arw_weapons.htm

Esel

skink wrote:

....
Also is ballpup some type of dog? or are you talking about the bullpulp design of the steyr?

Kettle/Pot tbh. If you're going to be picky, be correct!

6th

Irish GrumPy wrote:

Deliveries of the Steyr AUG to the Irish Defence Forces began in 1988. Today the Steyr is the primary infantry weapon of the Permanent & Reserve elements of Ireland's military forces, although it was not introduced into the Reserve Defence Force until some time later."

I remember going in to see a display of the Steyr when it came in, the lads where only too happy to pass over the Gustav to the Reserve Defence Force.

Esel

6th wrote:

I remember going in to see a display of the Steyr when it came in, the lads where only too happy to pass over the Gustav to the Reserve Defence Force.

Comparing the Gustav 9mm SMG and the Steyr is ridiculous, imo. Also, the RDF (FCA then) had the Gustav long before this.

One big problem with the Gustav was the possibility of an accidental discharge if the magazine was left loaded with the bolt fully forward (instead of locked in the safety position), due to the fixed firing pin. True, it only discharged one round, but wtf! Anyone know how many injuries/deaths were caused by this flaw? The US special forces used a .45 version of this SMG.

6th

I'm not comparing them as such, i'm just pointing out the big deal it was when they got the Steyr and shelved the Gustav.

Around the same time the Steyr was featured in some film (may have been Predator or something) and all the guys were excited as fu*k.

babybundy

die hard 1

6th

babybundy wrote:

die hard 1

That was it, i remember my brother was so excited ... was like christmas for him

babybundy

it got its main part on the roof try to kill bruce willis

Hagar

I'm not convinced Bruce Willis was in The Irish Defence Forces at the time.

Please make a better effort at staying on topic...

MySelf56

I took few pics of Irish army on Easter rising...i hope you all like them!!

babybundy

nice pic of the rangers f350

Hagar

Nice pics. Anyone got any more?

Victor

6th wrote:

I'm not comparing them as such, i'm just pointing out the big deal it was when they got the Steyr and shelved the Gustav.

The purposes of the Gustav SMG were to (a) provide light automatic fire in assault and (b) also close protection to the squad using providing automatic fire in the event of being flanked or overrun, something a bolt action rifle couldn't do. Providing the entire squad with automatic rifles removed this need.

One weapon could do both jobs. It made officers and NCOs less obvious to the enemy and it meant a reduced supply chain.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

skink wrote:

Ok to make this easier, i am only going to name current weapons in use,

Bap 9mm(pistol)
Steyr AUG 5.56mm(assult rifle)
FN GPMG 7.62(general prupose machine gun)
Bren LMG .303(light machine gun in use by rdf only)
Browning .5 hmg(heavy machine gun)
Accuracy international sniper rifles, two calibres, 1 .5 and one 7.62 or something similar, i am 100% sure on it.
81mm long barrel mortar
vektor 60mm mortar
120mm mortar(not sure on what is happening here, possibly up for a change soon enough)
carl gustav 84mm recoiless rifle(explained already)also hagar, the sight system is very good on it, and you know the saying if it ain't broke don't fix it!
sraaw(short range anti armour weapon, disposable)
underslung m203 grenade launcher for the steyr
L119 and L118 105mm howitzers(artillery)
25pdr field gun(artillery)
El 70(anti aircraft)
RBS 70 SAM (anti aircraft)
Javelin(anti tank)

then if you want to go into fighting vehicles
Scoprian cvrt
Aml 20
Aml 90
and the mowags

i have probably left out a few things, did not include any weapons used by the arw, as in use by willie o'dea in that infamous photo, alot fo the stuff is old but still useable and still effective.

Just a few more to add...

The Sig Sauer
H&K SG1
H&K MP5A3
remington combat shotgun
AI96 .308 Accuracy International

skink

babybundy wrote:

i have been told by a good source they do use the spas and and i would assume you looked atthe df site you would see it says they use the 226

ok well your "good source" is full of sh*t to be blunt about it, also i was referring to you saying that the garda are getting the sig, well at the moment only select units have them, and apparently it was not the pistol picked for future use in the recent trials.

tallus

The defence forces used to use Gustav sub machine guns too, back in the 70's. Dont know if they still do.
*edit*
Oops ok they dont now.
However I did have a mate who was a member of the permanent defence forces who told me that they all laughed their asses off when they saw the huge flame/muzzle flash from the Steyr in Die hard. He said it was nothing like the real thing.

MySelf56

Two more pics...

Bam Bam

Have fired the steyr a good few times, the only time you really see any flash is late at night and its only for a split second.

oglaigh

One or two more,
The ARW also use the P-90(the one in Stagate if your wondering), the FN 5.7 which uses the same round as the p90.They also aquired a hundred or so G36s a while back.

babybundy

skink wrote:

ok well your "good source" is full of sh*t to be blunt about it, also i was referring to you saying that the garda are getting the sig, well at the moment only select units have them, and apparently it was not the pistol picked for future use in the recent trials.

ya well wat are the new few (and i mean few thousand) pistols they are getting so

cushtac

babybundy wrote:

ya well wat are the new few (and i mean few thousand) pistols they are getting so

If you're talking about the Defence Forces, they're getting HK USP's. The Gardai have signed the contract for Walther P99 & P99C's.

skink

cushtac wrote:

If you're talking about the Defence Forces, they're getting HK USP's. The Gardai have signed the contract for Walther P99 & P99C's.

beat me too it!

mcguiver

The Gustaf SMG was origionally designed for use by paratroopers (hence the folding stock) ...I always thought they were great fun.

I remember opening cases of them in early 90's in Cathal Brugha, they were brand new and dated 1952!!

Never liked the Steyr.. nor robust enough for my liking.

muletide

mcguiver wrote:

The Gustaf SMG was origionally designed for use by paratroopers (hence the folding stock) ...I always thought they were great fun.

I remember opening cases of them in early 90's in Cathal Brugha, they were brand new and dated 1952!!

Never liked the Steyr.. nor robust enough for my liking.

not robust enough ??

what did you do to it ?
what broke?

KdjaCL

Is there pics of these weapons on any site?


Thanks.


kdjac

babybundy

muletide wrote:

not robust enough ??

what did you do to it ?
what broke?

recruit camp we broke 2 firing pins 1trigger 1 firing mech.and i have no idea how but someone cracked the body group on 1 riffle

mayhem#

skink wrote:

Ok to make this easier, i am only going to name current weapons in use,

Bap 9mm(pistol)

What?

E.

Manic Moran

It keeps in with the Irish habit of not using the official terms for equipment and just using the manufacturer.

BAP = Browning Automatic Pistol. In actuality, I believe it's the Hi-Power Mk II, but it's usually called the 'BAP'

Similarly MOWAG is really Piranha IIIH, or the old Fougas were really CM.170s, the Casas are really CN.235s, the FNs were FALs... You get the idea.

NTM

coyote6

I've shot the Steyr Aug some. I really like the quick detach barrel. Very easy to go from a 20" barrel to a shorty for entry. I shot the original with the built in site. The "pipper" reticle was quick and intuitive. The finger pressure transition from semi to full-auto is interesting and requires a little practice and finesse but I think it is a good idea. Ergonomically I think I like the M-16 better. Perhaps because of familiarity but also because you never have to chage your firing grip to keep it running. Right index for mag release, left hand slap on the bolt release, left hand charging handle manipulation etc. All in all I think the AUG was a wise choice as a very flexible and reliable platform.