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The Thunderdome - Justifiable?

  • 09-06-2006 9:51pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,088 ✭✭✭✭


    Having just read the last few pages in the CSG thread in the Thunderdome, I'd like to repost a point I made here to get the opinions of those who are responsible for and own this site, as well as fellow users.

    The thread in question is now at 25+ pages and contains post after post of personal attacks and bullying of this one particular user, apparently based solely on her posts in other threads.

    Now what I'd like to ask is this...

    How can the administrators and owners of this site allow such a forum to exist on an increasingly commercial and popular website which anyone - of any age - can access? (I note that the normal swear-word/content filtering appears to be disabled which only highlights the problem).

    The apparent justification that "anything goes" isn't good enough in my opinion and is in fact hypocritical when one considers that if some of those aforementioned posts were made in other forums, the users in question would have be banned ages ago (and probably for a lot less).

    I'm sure someone new to the site, or a parent, teacher, reporter etc won't immediately see or care that someone decided that this behaviour "is ok" in this one forum. Rather they'll see threads upon threads of personal abuse and spam and the online equivalent of playground bullying - something increasingly in the news with mobile phone and bebo bullying on the rise.

    By allowing this forum to exist I would suggest that Boards.ie's owners and administrators are (I'm sure unintentionally) condoning such behaviour and damaging the overall image and reputation of the site/business by allowing it to continue.

    Or is it just me?
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    well, imo, it is tucked away and hidden from general view, and posts there dont come up on the new posts thingy, and finally, there is the arguement that it would just happen elsewhere.

    i wonder why you didnt notice the people defending the person you spoke of.

    it is the nature of human interaction and groupings that people will pick on other people. the answer isnt to deny them that, but to teach them its wrong through experiential learning, imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭Time Magazine


    I see your point, but for me at least the Thunderdome has to exist for all the sh*te. Boards wasn't set up for kids and all that, it was a gamers' forum. Maybe the thread is a little over the top, I dunno, but if it was maybe it should be locked as opposed to the TD being shut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,088 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    well, imo, it is tucked away and hidden from general view, and posts there dont come up on the new posts thingy, and finally, there is the arguement that it would just happen elsewhere.

    i wonder why you didnt notice the people defending the person you spoke of.

    it is the nature of human interaction and groupings that people will pick on other people. the answer isnt to deny them that, but to teach them its wrong through experiential learning, imo
    I see the point you're making but I'd argue that it's not a classroom, it's a commercial website which (rightly) frowns upon such behaviour on all other forums here.

    Also, I acknowledge that many posters have defended CSG (myself included), but my point is that these back and forth attacks shouldn't be happening in the first place. In my opinion, the thread should be locked and action taken against some of the posters in line with general policy on the other forums regarding personal insults, spam and general muppetry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,088 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I see your point, but for me at least the Thunderdome has to exist for all the sh*te. Boards wasn't set up for kids and all that, it was a gamers' forum. Maybe the thread is a little over the top, I dunno, but if it was maybe it should be locked as opposed to the TD being shut.
    I agree with you that originally Boards was very different from what it is now (I'm here a while myself), but I'd counter that it is the responsibility of the admins/mods and owners to adapt to the growing and diverse population and forums which do now exist today and modify the rules accordingly (which DOES happen in other sections of the site with the updating of charters etc).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Kaiser2000 wrote:
    but my point is that these back and forth attacks shouldn't be happening in the first place.

    i dont agree with that point, as i believe there is a demand for exactly this type of forum, as can be seen by the many pages of 'input' from people.

    i think this forum should maybe be restricted, but not removed. better have it here where we can keep an eye on it than on some rogue board with absolutely no rules.

    so, in summary:p , its there because there is a demand for it, and because it represents such a small proportion of the overall good wholesome fun that is boards


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,088 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    i think this forum should maybe be restricted, but not removed. better have it here where we can keep an eye on it than on some rogue board with absolutely no rules.
    Actually I think if this was to occur and the forum moderated as is any other (albeit perhaps with a bit more leeway given the idea behind it) that this would address the concerns I raised whilst allowing people to "vent" (within reason) and also protecting Boards as an entity from things getting too out of hand - as is the case (in my opinion) with the CSG thread now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    protected from what may i ask


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,088 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    protected from what may i ask
    Well personally, I love this site and I think the benefits that the increased userbase/awareness of the site, new forums, and of course increased revenue bring are great for everyone involved with Boards.ie - from owners to the general population.

    As a result I'd hate to see all the positive things about the site and it's image/reputation damaged by a few rogue posters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    firstly, i dont think its a few rogue posters

    secondly, i think that there is no bad publicity

    thirdly, i dont know what type of person it would scare off. parents stopping their child posting - maybe they shouldnt be on anyway etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    Or is it just me?

    It might just be you.

    The Thunderdrome posts have "notify" buttons on them just like any other forum. If you think something is really bad, report it and let the admins decide.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,984 ✭✭✭✭Lump


    I assume that posts made there don't increase the posters post count? Anyway, I agree that it's a good Idea having it, if we didn't that rubbish would just appear in After hours no doubt.

    John


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    Just ban Kiera for her personal crusade to "educate" CSG.
    Thunderdome takes a life of its own and is mostly not taken seriously by anyone who posts there or is insulted there. It is seen as a bit of craic and a piss take but in this case however I think a line has been crossed with the amount of personal abuse CSG received, which was unwarranted. I think CSG comes out of this smelling of roses. I think it’s a credit to CSG that she remained as dignified as she did on the thread. Definitely earned my respect and my opinion of that thing Kiera went way down with her behavior.

    The problem CSG has is that other boards members aren't as open and comfortable about themselves as she is. More their problem than hers but she does get a lot of stick from the bitter jealous brigade.

    Leave Thunderdome as it is but possibly close the thread in question as it’s unfair on CSG. I would be in favour of harsh measures taken against Kiera for her constant attempts at character assignation on CSG, attempts which back fired imo with me for one becoming a big fan of CSG for the way in which she handled the situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Hobart


    Couple of points.

    The swear filter is site wide. AFAIK the Thunderdome is not an exception to this rule. There are ways around by using size tags etc. It's not really that hard. I find **** normally gets the message across.

    The internet is huge. It's varied and it contains a diversity of things. I doubt the Thunderdome would rate high of the list of things not to look at on the internet, from a parent, teacher POV.

    Buffybot makes a valid point, if you find any post offensive, report it.

    If you don't like a forum, don't go into it. It does not stop you having an opinion on it, but your ultimate sanction is available to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Hobart


    clown bag wrote:
    Just ban Kiera for her personal crusade to "educate" CSG.
    Thunderdome takes a life of its own and is mostly not taken seriously by anyone who posts there or is insulted there. It is seen as a bit of craic and a piss take but in this case however I think a line has been crossed with the amount of personal abuse CSG received, which was unwarranted. I think CSG comes out of this smelling of roses. I think it’s a credit to CSG that she remained as dignified as she did on the thread. Definitely earned my respect and my opinion of that thing Kiera went way down with her behavior.

    The problem CSG has is that other boards members aren't as open and comfortable about themselves as she is. More their problem than hers but she does get a lot of stick from the bitter jealous brigade.

    Leave Thunderdome as it is but possibly close the thread in question as it’s unfair on CSG. I would be in favour of harsh measures taken against Kiera for her constant attempts at character assignation on CSG, attempts which back fired imo with me for one becoming a big fan of CSG for the way in which she handled the situation.
    I actually agree and disagree with some of your points. I think PSI made a very valid point when he accused some users of bullying anotyher. His wit actually made one or two users appear very foolish.

    I also agree with your points wrt CSG. She has come out of it very well, even though the whole point of the thread seemed to be to attack her.

    I don't agree with closing it tbh. I find some threads make no sense, but I don't actually see that as a reason for closing them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    I think the reason for closing this particular thread might be out of respect for CSG as no matter how well she takes it (no pun intended) some of that abuse has to affect her. I for one think her attitude is refreshing and wouldn't like the thread to affect her in a negative way.

    If the CSG thread is not closed hopefully it can just move on to a more general slagging match between other users. Its one thing slagging a user name who only exists on the internet, its another thing to bring real life into it and tell someone how to run their life.

    anyway, definetly think the call to get rid of the thunderdome is too much. I read through it sometimes just for a laugh with most users posting there just saying stupid funny stuff and obviously not taking it too seriously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    in fairness tho, for the last few pages its been a slagging match between hobbart, me you, psi, sjones and a few others. not even sure if csg is mentioned much


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,100 ✭✭✭muckwarrior


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  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Just noticed that the charter isnt there. There ARE rules for The Thunderdome they are just a bit different to the usual ones for civility. Illegal (ie libelous) comments are still not allowed but remember that Gross Abuse is not actionable.

    Every house has a sewerage pipe.

    DeV.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    everyone gets their turn in the thunderdome....


  • Subscribers Posts: 9,716 ✭✭✭CuLT


    HavoK wrote:
    everyone gets their turn in the thunderdome....
    We don't need another hero!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    DeVore wrote:
    Illegal (ie libelous) comments are still not allowed but remember that Gross Abuse is not actionable.


    DeV.


    Does that excuse * the abuse that this user has put up with in the thread in question? I read that thread about a month ago and I was surprised that it was let go as far as it was then,

    It can take very little to nudge some people over the edge and cause them physcological damage. The user in question appears to have taken much of the abuse in her stride, but appearances can be deceptive. I would say she has to be affected by some of the comments.

    The comments in the thread may not be actionable but IMO there is the potential for some bad publicity for this site from that thread if the target is not as solid as she portrays herself.

    The thunderdome is a good idea and is somewhere to let off steam but the thread in question oversteps the mark IMO.

    (*I,m not suggesting you are excusing it)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,446 ✭✭✭✭amp


    The Muppet wrote:
    Does that excuse * the abuse that this user has put up with in the thread in question? I read that thread about a month ago and I was surprised that it was let go as far as it was then,

    It can take very little to nudge some people over the edge and cause them physcological damage. The user in question appears to have taken much of the abuse in her stride, but appearances can be deceptive. I would say she has to be affected by some of the comments.

    Well it's hard not to read a forum when there's a gun to your head. Oh wait! There was no gun!
    The comments in the thread may not be actionable but IMO there is the potential for some bad publicity for this site from that thread if the target is not as solid as she portrays herself.

    And boards requires good publicity for what? It's stockmarket price?

    If you can't stand the heat then get the hell out of the Thunderdome. Nobody forces anybody to read it. Nobody forces anybody to reply. If you decide to post there then you are fair game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    amp wrote:
    Well it's hard not to read a forum when there's a gun to your head. Oh wait! There was no gun!.

    Wheter I read the thread or not is irrelevant. The thread would still be there and all the nastiness towads on particular member of this community would still be there.. I said I don't have a problem with the thunderdome but that thread has no place in this community IMO.

    amp wrote:
    And boards requires good publicity for what? It's stockmarket price?!.

    I never mentioned Good Publicity. I would be pretty sure taht the owner's of this site not want the negative publicity that could be generated if something terrible happen because of bullying and abuse on that thread.
    amp wrote:
    If you can't stand the heat then get the hell out of the Thunderdome. Nobody forces anybody to read it. Nobody forces anybody to reply. If you decide to post there then you are fair game.

    See above. AFAIK the user that is/was teh main focus of the abuse did not opt into that thread. If it were my child I would be very pissed about what wasallowed happen in that thread. I suggest most parents would fell the same.

    As I said I dont have a problem with the existance of teh thunderdome but to allow a teenager take the personal abuse that was dished out in that thread is dangerous .

    I have voiced my opinion as the Op raised the issue and expressed similar opinions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    The Muppet wrote:
    The thread would still be there and all the nastiness towads on particular member of this community would still be there.

    well actually it began as a CSG vs keira thread, and since keira and CSG have both stopped frequently posting in it, its degenerated into hobbert and sjones and amp vs everyone else regarding anything.

    this should be proff enough that the thunderdomes function is to let off steam and argue for the sake of it.

    people cant shoot you if you dont give them ammo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,446 ✭✭✭✭amp


    The Muppet wrote:
    Wheter I read the thread or not is irrelevant. The thread would still be there and all the nastiness towads on particular member of this community would still be there.. I said I don't have a problem with the thunderdome but that thread has no place in this community IMO.

    Which community? The Feedback community or the Thunderdome community? Why has it no place in whatever community you're talking about?
    I never mentioned Good Publicity. I would be pretty sure taht the owner's of this site not want the negative publicity that could be generated if something terrible happen because of bullying and abuse on that thread.

    Why not have negative publicy? Do you think that will stop people coming to boards because one board out of god knows how many there are now, some nasty things were said? And if you think that what is being said there qualifies as bullying then you really need to understand what bullying is.
    See above. AFAIK the user that is/was teh main focus of the abuse did not opt into that thread. If it were my child I would be very pissed about what wasallowed happen in that thread. I suggest most parents would fell the same.

    If it was my child I'd laugh and give them some good lines to respond with. If that didn't work I'd come on myself and rip somebody a new asshole. And of all the terrible things that people can easily view on the internet do you really think the thunderdome with it's textual broadsides should be censored and threads locked?
    As I said I dont have a problem with the existance of teh thunderdome but to allow a teenager take the personal abuse that was dished out in that thread is dangerous .

    The teenager in question DOES NOT HAVE TO READ THE ABUSE. It's not like a school were the teenager has no choice but to attend. Would you let your teenager go to Temple Bar on a Friday night? NO! Why? Because it's not safe for them. Not that I'm suggesting getting beaten up by some drunken idiots compares at all to the ABSOLUTE HORROR OF NASTY THINGS BEING SAID!
    I have voiced my opinion as the Op raised the issue and expressed similar opinions.

    Well in my opinion your both entirely wrong. The only changes that should be made would be a charter for the thunderdome with a large notice warning people in advance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    mountain. molehill


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,088 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    amp wrote:
    And boards requires good publicity for what? It's stockmarket price?
    No, but what about it's sponsors/advertisers? Or the various journalists and (for example telecoms and computer) industry representatives that frequent this site and use it to liaise with customers/the public and other industry groups (I'm thinking Ireland Offline, Komplett etc).

    Boards is a great resouce to a lot of people besides the average joe in the street and by allowing things to get as carried away as they have in the Thunderdome, it can only have a negative effect on the site's image (particularly to those who may stumble across this particular forum and are unaware of the philosophy behind it).

    I do agree with you though that it needs a (strictly enforced) charter and maybe some additional boundaries need to be set.

    (Edited for clarity)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    why dont you write up a charter, and we'll see how it reads?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,446 ✭✭✭✭amp


    Kaiser2000 wrote:
    No, but what about it's sponsors/advertisers? Or the various journalists and (for example telecoms and computer) industry representatives that frequent this site and use it to liaise with customers/the public and other industry groups (I'm thinking Ireland Offline, Komplett etc).

    In your fantasy world a journalist reads the thread in the Thunderdome and writes a massive headline entitled "TEENAGER INSULTED ON INTERNET FORUM CREATED FOR INSULTING PEOPLE!!". The resulting scandal causes corporate entities to suddenly decide that advertising on boards will associate them with TERRORISM and decide to advertise on another large Irish bulletin board. Thanks to the lack of funding, boards dies.

    Meanwhile, in reality, if some mad journalist decided that there was a story in somebody getting insulted on the internet, the resulting publicity would only attract MORE people onto boards. Our corporate partners and advertisers would get more hits.
    Boards is a great resouce to a lot of people besides the average joe in the street and by allowing things to get as carried away as they have in the Thunderdome, it can only have a negative effect on the site's image (particularly to those who may stumble across this particular forum and are unaware of the philosophy behind it).

    Ah, I see, we should bow to the lowest common denominator. The stupid should dictate policy on boards.
    I do agree with you though that it needs a (strictly enforced) charter and maybe some additional boundaries need to be set.

    (Edited for clarity)

    Here's my proposed charter:
    THE THUNDERDOME CHARTER V1.0

    NORMAL PEOPLE:
    1. If you can't stand the heat get out of The Thunderdome.

    MORONS:
    1. IF YOU POST, PEOPLE SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT YOU.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Talliesin


    The Muppet wrote:
    If it were my child I would be very pissed about what wasallowed happen in that thread. I suggest most parents would fell the same.
    This hits on an interesting point.

    Boards is a grown-ups site.

    It's not an "adult" site, since for some reason "adult" is taken to mean material of a pornographic nature (the fact that "adult" means this, rather than a wider range of material suitable for those who are not children, probably says something less than complimentary about our culture, but that's another matter).

    It's not a "mature" site, since "mature" sometimes means the same as "adult" above and even when it doesn't, this site is often pretty immature (not a bad thing, if it doesn't distract from the more sensible discussions).

    It's not a children's site either though. It's a grown-ups site. Some children have, from the sites conception, been able to hold their own and contribute meaningful intelligent posts, so we've never had an over-18s rule, and besides plenty of the inarticulate sub-morons around are well past the age of majority. None-the-less it's not a children's site and we don't have to think about the children.

    CSG doesn't tend to strike me as an intelligent poster (what is the point of the OP saying the attacks are "apparently based solely on her posts in other threads" - it's if they were based on anything other than her innane posts that it would be unfair) but has dealt with the thread in an intelligent manner; ignoring it and waiting until it quickly turned into a row between other people about other things, as any Thunderdome thread that doesn't just die will do.

    Personally I wasn't too sure of the whole idea of the Thunderdome, and I'm still not now, but this thread doesn't weigh against it much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Would a parent of some 10 year old be more concerned about a thread where two people are abusing each other or a thread where people are going on about being drunk and trying to pull? Or a thread about abortion? Or age of consent? Or denouncing the existence of God? etc etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 digit7


    Talliesin wrote:
    This hits on an interesting point.

    Boards is a grown-ups site.

    It's not an "adult" site, since for some reason "adult" is taken to mean material of a pornographic nature (the fact that "adult" means this, rather than a wider range of material suitable for those who are not children, probably says something less than complimentary about our culture, but that's another matter).

    It's not a "mature" site, since "mature" sometimes means the same as "adult" above and even when it doesn't, this site is often pretty immature (not a bad thing, if it doesn't distract from the more sensible discussions).

    It's not a children's site either though. It's a grown-ups site. Some children have, from the sites conception, been able to hold their own and contribute meaningful intelligent posts, so we've never had an over-18s rule, and besides plenty of the inarticulate sub-morons around are well past the age of majority. None-the-less it's not a children's site and we don't have to think about the children.

    <snip>

    As much as you would probably like that all to sound like fact, it is nothing more than your opinion. Unless you have done an indepth study on all the members, their ages etc etc?

    Where does it say boards.ie is a grownups site? Where does it say any where what type of site it is other than "a popular irish bulletin board"
    It grew from gamers. Back in the day circa 99-2000 it was prodominatly teens using it. Not nessecarily of the younger teen variety but teens none the less. The counter strike board would be a good example.

    You might be an "adult" now and the people you associate with "adults" now, but please don't speak on behalf of the other 50 odd thousand members in such a made up factual way. It makes you come across like one of those [qoute]inarticulate sub-morons around are well past the age of majority[/quote] you mentioned.

    Boards.ie is an irish bulletin board. That was the founders vision of the future. A very inclusive Irish bulletin board. You don't even have to be over 13 to post here but you do have to mention it if you are under 13 when signing up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    I think he was trying to highlight that boards isn't aimed at and doesn't pretend to cater for children and younger teens. They are not prevented from posting here but neither does the site aim to be "child safe" across the board. To be fair though, according to the Boards Census the vast majority of the posters here are over 18. So his points are justified in that sense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 digit7


    nesf wrote:
    I think he was trying to highlight that boards isn't aimed at and doesn't pretend to cater for children and younger teens. They are not prevented from posting here but neither does the site aim to be "child safe" across the board. To be fair though, according to the Boards Census the vast majority of the posters here are over 18. So his points are justified in that sense.

    CTYI Board?
    Junior Cert.

    I'd call that "catering for" and those boards where here before the Sex board.
    That CTYI board has been here for donkeys ages!

    Basically he put across his opinion as fact. Be that intentional or not. You may try and presuppose him and as such back him up on it but that still does not make it so. It is his opinion and he is welcome to it. But it should be stated as such.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Talliesin


    Shut up Merc_Tilt, you're banned already, your opinions don't count for anything here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    Talliesin wrote:
    Shut up Merc_Tilt, you're banned already, your opinions don't count for anything here.


    on the contrary, the opinion of the poster (i dont assume to know who it is) counts for exactly the same as yours.

    and they do have a point. what you say is only your opinion, and not fact.

    but thats a different debate.

    personally i would wonder why someone would bother reading thunderdome if they dont like it, or get upset about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Talliesin


    Nope, Merc_Tilt's opinion isn't to be entered into this because he's not allowed to post on any forums except Prison (and if I'm wrong about it being Merc_Tilt, though his claiming to be able to read the admin's minds would indicate that, as would a few other matters, it's not someone who's any good at pretending to have registered in Jun 2006).

    Someone else having expressing the same opinion - fine. Merc_Tilt expressing any opinion - something for him to do on some site he isn't banned from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    personally i would wonder why someone would bother reading thunderdome if they dont like it, or get upset about it.

    I've found that if I assume that people just enjoy getting upset and complaining about it the world makes far more sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    ah yes, but we do all know that some people just like to complain because it gets them airtime....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    It is definitely a perk of the hobby.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Kaiser3000 this you knows: the years travel fast and time after time I done the tell. But this ain't one body's tell; it's the tell of us all, and you've got to listen it and member, 'cause what you hears today you gotta tell the birthed tomorrow.

    I's lookin behind us now, into history back. I sees those of us that got the luck and started the haul for home and I 'members how it led us here and how we was heartbroke cause we seen what they once was. One look and we knew'd we'd got it straight. Those what had gone before had the knowin' and the doin' of things beyond our reckonin', even beyond our dreamin'. Time counts and keeps countin' and we knows now, findin' the trick of what's been and lost ain't no easy ride.

    But that's our trek. We gotta travel it and there ain't nobody knows where it's gonna lead. Still, in all, every night we does the tell so that we member who we was and where we came from.

    But most of all we 'members the man who finded us, him that came the salvage, and we lights the city not just for him but for all of 'em that are still out there, cause we knows there'll come a night when they sees the distant light and they'll be comin' home.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    I hope you copied and pasted that Gordon ;)

    Ermmm I partook in the debacle thread in question, mostly out of boredom one day in work when it was quiet. I'll preface the rest of this post by saying, I probably have one of the lowest tolerances for idiots on boards and as such, I think I've read maybe 5 of CSGs posts ever (I wish I had a cool acronym that everyone used). I would guess that in all her posts she has never actually posted anything of worth.

    However, I've pretty much the same opinion of the majority of posters on that thread, especially the main protagonists.

    Now, I'm not at all concerned about a thunderdome thread (I was initially quite amused to find the place existed - and then quickly very bored) and threads of mass flamage are not a new thing to boards (or indeed me for that matter).

    What does strike me as a bit off is that some user should see themselves fit to follow another user around boards just to bully them. Now alot of users with rivalries tend to follow up one anothers posts on various forums, usually thats a two way thing. In this case one user has appointed herself the task of attacking the other until she learns the error of her ways. That is effectively bullying and it is not confined to Thunderdome.

    The fact that posts from Kiera and silas themselves contain the wit, intelligence and worth of the faeces of a diarrhoeal mongrel, compounds the problem.

    Take this doozy
    kiera wrote:
    Get bent PSI, just because she has fúck all cop on to defend herself against me doesn’t make me a bully! She’s not replying to me coz she’s a fúcking plank, no two ways about it. It is not my fault that I can hold my own and she needs internerds to defend her!

    It appears that by Kiera's reckoning, picking on people who can't defend themselves "isn't" bullying. I'm not an expert on bullying, but if that isn't bullying, can anyone come up with a definition for me?

    Personally, I think they should all be dealt with, preferably in a manner that concludes with the use of quicklime, but failing that I think that out-and-out bullying, as opposed to flamewars/rivalries should be eliminated from the site.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭scojones


    Lads, firstly nothing I say on the thunderdome should ever be taken too seriously. I only got involved in the thread to try and start the Kiera vs CSG thing up again. I actually don't care about any of it. It's only friendly banter. If you can't take a slagging then you shouldn't go to the thunderdome. Likewise, if someone slagging you off over the internet affects you psychologically (as suggested earlier) you should pull the plug out of your computer and never turn it on again, ever.

    Some people got worked up with what I was saying on there. I assure you none of it was serious. If people took me up the wrong way, which they obviously did, then that's your problem. I like the thunderdome because the insults can be hilarious. I don't think it's damaging at all. The same way I don't think freedom of information is damaging either.
    "Don't let those people read, they'll become intelligent and they could do ANYTHING!"

    Closing the thread or the forum would be silly IMO. Some of us have stressful lives and would love to have a go at someone because of something they say on a forum - the thunderdome allows you to do this without bringing the level of intelligent conversation a forum offers, down.

    I hope by now people will realise that I was never trying to help CSG at all. It was just a base from which I could get involved in the thread.

    So, Kaiser2000, you seriously need to lighten up buddy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    psi wrote:
    I hope you copied and pasted that Gordon ;)

    Ermmm I partook in the debacle thread in question, mostly out of boredom one day in work when it was quiet. I'll preface the rest of this post by saying, I probably have one of the lowest tolerances for idiots on boards and as such, I think I've read maybe 5 of CSGs posts ever (I wish I had a cool acronym that everyone used). I would guess that in all her posts she has never actually posted anything of worth.

    However, I've pretty much the same opinion of the majority of posters on that thread, especially the main protagonists.

    Now, I'm not at all concerned about a thunderdome thread (I was initially quite amused to find the place existed - and then quickly very bored) and threads of mass flamage are not a new thing to boards (or indeed me for that matter).

    What does strike me as a bit off is that some user should see themselves fit to follow another user around boards just to bully them. Now alot of users with rivalries tend to follow up one anothers posts on various forums, usually thats a two way thing. In this case one user has appointed herself the task of attacking the other until she learns the error of her ways. That is effectively bullying and it is not confined to Thunderdome.

    The fact that posts from Kiera and silas themselves contain the wit, intelligence and worth of the faeces of a diarrhoeal mongrel, compounds the problem.

    Take this doozy



    It appears that by Kiera's reckoning, picking on people who can't defend themselves "isn't" bullying. I'm not an expert on bullying, but if that isn't bullying, can anyone come up with a definition for me?

    Personally, I think they should all be dealt with, preferably in a manner that concludes with the use of quicklime, but failing that I think that out-and-out bullying, as opposed to flamewars/rivalries should be eliminated from the site.

    ^ what he said ^

    The problem is Kieras obsession with CSG. She obviously hates the fact that CSG is getting some action and she's not so decided to start a crusade against her by searching for all CSG posts and replying to them slagging her off.

    Rename the thread "Kieras pitiful bitter Jealous obsessive unprovoked attacks on CSG" and remind her to put CSG on her ignore list. (is there anyway admins can automatically make Kieras account ignore CSG) That would be great, drive the cnut mad.

    Do you reckon CSG turned down Kieras sexual advances at some stage and this is why Kiera hates her so much. Unrequited love perhaps?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,304 ✭✭✭✭koneko


    Nothing that extravagent I fear, clownbag, it's more a fight for attention. They both love it. Lately, CSG has been getting more attention than Kiera and it's killing her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    What a silly little twit you are, Clown bag! It’s the Thunderdome, like most have said in here, if you don’t like it then don’t go there! Its all a bit of a laugh. There have been many insults thrown my way and still I read it. I think too many of you take it to heart. Csg has admitted herself that she finds it funny so leave it be. The people who seem to be taking this to heart is everyone else bar myself and csg.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,613 ✭✭✭Big Nelly


    Can i use abuse in here or restricted to the Thunderdome?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    work away.

    although, the level of insults has gotten really bad recently. i cant even bring myself to post there anymore. its been an awful long time since i saw a good burn there.
    you may abuse in here if you wish. of course, you do run the risk of being banned by the admins, but if its a risk youre willing to take, go for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    Big Nelly wrote:
    Can i use abuse in here or restricted to the Thunderdome?

    Why bother. A few more clicks and you're in the safety of the thunderdome...


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