Uk Licence

drdre

Hi i want to get a provisional uk licence and then full.does anyone know how do i go about applying for provisional licence first.im going to uk on monday so what details and what other stuff do i need to apply for it.
also is there a theory test like here.


any info or websites will be a help.

thanks in advance

Alun

Are you going to be moving permanently to the UK, i.e. be resident there?

If not you can't legally get a UK licence. You could of course use the "have an address there" excuse beloved of many posters here, in other words lie, and therefore obtain the licence fraudulently thus rendering it not worth the paper it's written on, of course ...

EDIT: stuff removed that was clearly rubbish .. must engage brain before typing in future

unkel

drdre wrote:

Hi i want to get a provisional uk licence and then full

I presume you have a provisional Irish license? If so and if you are moving permanently to the UK, I'd advice to get your test here if you can wait that long. The test here is easier and once you've passed you can change your full Irish license for a UK license whenever it expires

Stark

I assume he's asking because his trip to the UK is less than 14 months away

OP: I found this page when googling: http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/applydl.htm

Be wary that unlike in Ireland, the police are strict on the accompanying driver rule for provisional licence holders. You might need to book yourself into a driving school so be prepared for the expense. On the plus side, the insurance is far lower over in England. I remember reading an article where a father was complaning that his 17 year old son had to pay £200 on their 2.0 litre car :rolleyes:

Gatster

And then there's the legality of driving an IRL registered car here on a UK licence

And what exactly is the legality of this then or is this just your opinion, I've never had any problems?

jimmycrackcorm

Alun wrote:

Are you going to be moving permanently to the UK, i.e. be resident there?

If not you can't legally get a UK licence. You could of course use the "have an address there" excuse beloved of many posters here, in other words lie, and therefore obtain the licence fraudulently thus rendering it not worth the paper it's written on, of course ... And then there's the legality of driving an IRL registered car here on a UK licence, but we won't go there

I don't know whatyour gripe is as it sounds like a complete rant. If the OP is living in the UK for any length of time he is fully and legally entitled to a uk drivers licence. And where did you get this notion about driving an Irish reg car with a UK licence from? You might be thinking of the reverse where the customs don't like people with Irish licences driving uk cars here.

drdre

guys i have a full irish licence.i just want to get a full uk licence as well.my father has both and uses both eg uses uk licence when he goes to uk.

i am thinking i get a duplicate licence from here and go to uk and tell them im moving to uk and hand in my duplicate licence and get a full uk licence.:) .is this possible.thanks

i am not really moving to uk.but i want to get a uk licence.

drdre

Gatster wrote:

And what exactly is the legality of this then or is this just your opinion, I've never had any problems?

Do you have a uk and irish licence?

drdre

Stark wrote:

I assume he's asking because his trip to the UK is less than 14 months away

OP: I found this page when googling: http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/applydl.htm

Be wary that unlike in Ireland, the police are strict on the accompanying driver rule for provisional licence holders. You might need to book yourself into a driving school so be prepared for the expense. On the plus side, the insurance is far lower over in England. I remember reading an article where a father was complaning that his 17 year old son had to pay £200 on their 2.0 litre car :rolleyes:

id love to get a gti and have insurance of around 200 pound.that would be a dream come true:D

Stark

drdre wrote:

i am not really moving to uk.but i want to get a uk licence.

Why would you want a UK licence? As an EU licence, your Irish licence is perfectly valid in the UK. The only reason you would ever need a UK licence is if you were living long term in the UK and your Irish licence expired, in which case you would get a UK licence when you renew.

drdre

Stark wrote:

Why would you want a UK licence? As an EU licence, your Irish licence is perfectly valid in the UK. The only reason you would ever need a UK licence is if you were living long term in the UK and your Irish licence expired, in which case you would get a UK licence when you renew.

i just need it, its a long story.

so does anyone know a way of getting one.

mdebets

Stark wrote:

Why would you want a UK licence?

Perhaps because he is to loose his Irish licence and he thinks a second licence would allow him to drive legally afterwards.

mdebets

drdre wrote:

so does anyone know a way of getting one.

You'll have to go to a certain pub in Dublin and ask for Paddy. You give him 500€ and 2 photos of yourself. Come back in 2 days and you'll have a perfect UK driving licence, which is as legal as the one you would get from the authorities in the UK.

Hotblack Desiato

drdre wrote:

guys i have a full irish licence.i just want to get a full uk licence as well.

Can't be done legally.

unkel

drdre wrote:

guys i have a full irish licence.i just want to get a full uk licence as well

There is no need. Any EU license issued in any EU (25)country is valid throughout the EU without any implications for insuring a car in another country or anything else whatsoever

drdre wrote:

my father has both and uses both eg uses uk licence when he goes to uk

Eh? Why would he need to use a different EU license in a different EU country? To have two EU licenses is illegal afaik and he could be prosecuted. Serious stuff post 9/11. Please convince your father to comply for his sake

el tel

mdebets wrote:

Perhaps because he is to loose his Irish licence and he thinks a second licence would allow him to drive legally afterwards.

Maybe someone can correct me here, but aren't driving bans enforcable across other states?

5500

drdre wrote:

i am thinking i get a duplicate licence from here and go to uk and tell them im moving to uk and hand in my duplicate licence and get a full uk licence.:) .is this possible.thanks

i am not really moving to uk.but i want to get a uk licence.

You can only get a duplicate licence if yours has been stolen/lost can you not?Theres no real logical reason for needing a uk licence seen as you have a full one here,unless your trying to avoid penalty points by showing your uk licence or if you loose your irish licence when your back in court

Alun

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

I don't know whatyour gripe is as it sounds like a complete rant. If the OP is living in the UK for any length of time ...

I was reading between the lines, considering recent posts by the OP concerning an upcoming court case where he might lose his licence, actually.

Alun

Gatster wrote:

And what exactly is the legality of this then or is this just your opinion, I've never had any problems?

Yeah, sorry, my brain was malfunctioning there, was thinking of something else entirely Of course, that's completely legal, assuming of course you've obtained the licence legally in the first place which the OP is clearly not doing.

Alun

drdre wrote:

guys i have a full irish licence.i just want to get a full uk licence as well.my father has both and uses both eg uses uk licence when he goes to uk.

i am thinking i get a duplicate licence from here and go to uk and tell them im moving to uk and hand in my duplicate licence and get a full uk licence.:) .is this possible.thanks

i am not really moving to uk.but i want to get a uk licence.

Or in other words, lie through your teeth?

LikeOhMyGawd!

drdre wrote:

guys i have a full irish licence.i just want to get a full uk licence as well.my father has both and uses both eg uses uk licence when he goes to uk.

i am thinking i get a duplicate licence from here and go to uk and tell them im moving to uk and hand in my duplicate licence and get a full uk licence.:) .is this possible.thanks

i am not really moving to uk.but i want to get a uk licence.

Em, maybe you could ask daddy-kins how did he get his?

mdebets

el tel wrote:

Maybe someone can correct me here, but aren't driving bans enforcable across other states?

According to this, you can't exchange a foreign driving licence for an Irish one, if your were banned from driving on the foreign one. So I presume the same applies for the for other countries as well. I couldn't find anything about what happens if you obtain a driving licence legally in another country (doing al required training and testing there) after you lost your licence in Ireland, but I can remember reading something a while ago, that at least in Germany this second licence would be illegal as well, but I can't find anything about this for Ireland.
This is however anyway not relevant for the OP, as he tries to obtain his second licence illegaly, by pretendng to live in the UK, when he clearly doesn't (and even anouncing it on the Internet, how stupid can you be). This licence would be not valid in Ireland, and caought with it (and based on his other posts I presume he will be cought in a short time), he will be charged with driving without a licence and hopefully not ever be allowed to drive again, but then again, maybe Darwin's law will catch on to him first.

Gatster

Do you have a uk and irish licence?

No, but then again I hold a UK Passport and have another home address in the UK and am, in actual fact, English, so as far as I can see I'm pretty fookin entitled to my English licence, which you certainly are not :mad:

I've been living in Ireland for 8 years and admittedly wouldn't consider an Irish licence as mine doesn't expire until 2045 and I don't know this for certain, but wouldn't I have to get two Irish licences, one for bikes and one for cars? They're both on my UK licence

was reading between the lines

Have to agree with Alun's summarisation of the reasoning behind your motives...

Hotblack Desiato

Gatster wrote:

No, but then again I hold a UK Passport and have another home address in the UK and am, in actual fact, English, so as far as I can see I'm pretty fookin entitled to my English licence, which you certainly are not :mad:

Citizenship is irrelevant, residency is what matters when applying for a licence. There's no obligation to apply for an Irish licence if you have another EU licence, but if you do you MUST surrender the existing one, having two licences isn't allowed.

but wouldn't I have to get two Irish licences, one for bikes and one for cars?

No. All of the categories you're entitled to will be filled in.

seamus

Clearly he's attempting to get a second licence either to commit fraud or attempt to avoid penaly points.

"I just need one" is not a valid reason.

Having your licence taken off you doesn't mean there's a loophole if you hold another licence, it means "Disqualified from driving", and you won't be permitted to drive any other vehicle in any European country.

Gatster

residency is what matters when applying for a licence

Exactly, and I was resident when I got my licence and for many years afterwards. My point was the OP is blagging this, and has no justification or legal claim to a UK licence

Alun

Gatster wrote:

My point was the OP is blagging this, and has no justification or legal claim to a UK licence

Quite. And he seems to have gone remarkably quiet, all of a sudden. I'm also wondering why his dad "needs" one too?

dermot_sheehan

drdre wrote:

guys i have a full irish licence.i just want to get a full uk licence as well.my father has both and uses both eg uses uk licence when he goes to uk.

i am thinking i get a duplicate licence from here and go to uk and tell them im moving to uk and hand in my duplicate licence and get a full uk licence.:) .is this possible.thanks

i am not really moving to uk.but i want to get a uk licence.

It is illegal to hold two driving licences from EEA member states, so there's not much point in getting two, only one could be valid at any point in time.

Does your father not know that DVLA over here sent his irish licence back to the motor tax office with a note to cancel it because it's been exchanged for another EEA licence. His irish licence is currently invalid.

Getting an original licence from scratch in another EEA state is against the rules, and they are supposed to be cracking down on it. The practicalities are that they're actually strict on identification requirements over here.

To get a photocard licence, you need to get someone to sign off on your identity (like a passport), or post your full passport to DVLA in swansea. They'll send your passport and photocard back to your UK address. They apparently also do an electoral roll lookup and credit search at the address you give, and may ask why you are applying for a licence for an address you've never been recorded as living at (This is all part of the fight against ID fraud).

Of course once you got your photocard, it means squat, next you have to apply for a theory and hazard perception test which takes 1-2 weeks. The test is done by computer. After you have the certificate from this test, you can drive accompanied (which is actually enforced over here). After that you can apply for the practical test which takes 6-8 weeks waiting. Finally after that you get a full licence.


I fail to see the benefit though. You appear to be up in court soon on dangerous driving with a possible disqualification. A UK licence would not change that. You will still be driving while disquallified if you drive in the republic of ireland. Your insurance will be void and you'll be committing a serious arrestable offence which is punished by imprisonment (which is the next step the district judge would take since a driving ban had no effect).

commited

Gatster wrote:

I've been living in Ireland for 8 years and admittedly wouldn't consider an Irish licence as mine doesn't expire until 2045

I'm pretty sure that you have to change to an Irish license, as you no longer reside in the UK. That's what my mother had to do (took her 20 years mind ).

dermot_sheehan

commited wrote:

I'm pretty sure that you have to change to an Irish license, as you no longer reside in the UK. That's what my mother had to do (took her 20 years mind ).

You used to have to do that, but not any more for EU licences. I was looking into getting a UK licence because my irish one was stolen over here. It would have cost me £38 versus €5 for getting my irish one reissued. The motor tax office had no problem posting it over here.

commited

Weird - whats your residence on your license though?

My mother started to feel guilty as she hadnt lived at the stated address for over 20 years

dermot_sheehan

My residence on the licence is the family home in Dublin. I'm still "ordinary resident" there. I just filled in my London address on the sticker on the licence application they place on the envelope. They had no problem posting it here. It might have helped that I submitted a police crime report with the application with my uk address on it.

parsi

Why don't you flash one of your many credit cards at someone and go the whole hog and buy a dodgy licence..it would save all this hassle of having to apply, go through tests etc...

drdre

parsi wrote:

Why don't you flash one of your many credit cards at someone and go the whole hog and buy a dodgy licence..it would save all this hassle of having to apply, go through tests etc...

nah i wouldnot do that.i rather do it the right way

drdre

mdebets wrote:

Perhaps because he is to loose his Irish licence and he thinks a second licence would allow him to drive legally afterwards.

no thats not the reason.its something else.

Esel

drdre wrote:

nah i wouldnot do that.i rather do it the right way

Have you been reading the thread? There is no 'right way'!

drdre

esel wrote:

Have you been reading the thread? There is no 'right way'!

alright thats fine.i will get this thread closed then
thanks for the comments

mike65

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Mike.

Stark

Since your court case has probably long been and gone drdre, I assume this means you lost your Irish licence?

maidhc

dre,

I would be very careful about talking about potentially illegal things when your sig reveals your real name, which is unusual enough to allow your address, telephone number and business interests be figured out in 0.5 seconds.

(P.S. Im not a voyeur, just very much involved in internet privacy issues to the degree that I have done a masters thesis and written a few publications on the issue)

mdebets

drdre wrote:

no thats not the reason.its something else.

So you have another court case comming up for dangerous driving.

unkel

drdre wrote:

no thats not the reason.its something else.

What is it?

drdre wrote:

i will get this thread closed then

mike65 wrote:

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Class, Mike!

Stark

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drdre

maidhc wrote:

dre,

I would be very careful about talking about potentially illegal things when your sig reveals your real name, which is unusual enough to allow your address, telephone number and business interests be figured out in 0.5 seconds.

(P.S. Im not a voyeur, just very much involved in internet privacy issues to the degree that I have done a masters thesis and written a few publications on the issue)

im not talking about illegeal stuff, im trying to find out a legal way.thats why i asked the question

drdre

Stark wrote:

Since your court case has probably long been and gone drdre, I assume this means you lost your Irish licence?

i have to go back on oct 5th, but the uk licence query is not because of my court case.

drdre

Stark wrote:

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what do you mean, i have a full irish licence so donot need a harry potter one:D

maidhc

drdre wrote:

im not talking about illegeal stuff, im trying to find out a legal way.thats why i asked the question

if it was easy and legal to get we would all have them. There is a certain attractivness in being immune from penalty points.

drdre

maidhc wrote:

if it was easy and legal to get we would all have them. There is a certain attractivness in being immune from penalty points.

i thought it was easy to get, thats why i asked the question but now i know its difficult

unkel

Dawood Aziz, why won't you tell us why you think you need a UK license? How did your father obtain both a UK and an Irish license?

Have you and / or your father something to hide?

I'm not one to get suspicious easily, but you need to answer a few questions here, mate. For your own sake!

Henry Ford III

Something is fishy here.

Fey!

1) Immune from points
2) Not easily traced by Gardai
3) ...no, that's it, I'm out of reasons!

If you obtain a duplicate, your original becomes void.
If you swap your Irish license for another European one, it's sent back here and declared void.

WRT getting a replacement Irish license from abroad (can't remember who posted that), the Motor Tax people here, from my experience, are the most helpful people you can deal with.