Karma

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

Karma is a sum of all that an individual has done is currently doing and will do. The effects of all deeds actively create present and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain in others.

Anyone who has seen My name is earl, would be familiar with the ways of karma and how they work!

Do you believe in this? Or is karma really a load of bull :rolleyes:

As for me I'm an avid believer of karma as there have been way too many coincidences in my life for there not to a greater force at work out there good or bad:D

Degsy

Your karma would be to have a bunch or grammarians chasing you up the street!:D

GerryRyan

I believe it a little bit - but not into that whole 'butterfly effect' ****e.

qz

I'd like to believe in karma, only when it doesn't affect me negatively!

WhiteWashMan

i believe that for every thread you start, one year will be deducted from your life.

you down to about 40 years at the moment.

Pighead

Pighead has done some ****ty things to people over the years. If there really is such a thing as Karma then I fully expect to end up heading off home drunk in a taxi with coolsmileygirl on my lap.

Karma is the law of cause and effect; it tells us that actions have consequences. That's all. There's not that much to "believe", until you add on how it is connected to your dharma, and the type of karma that is not fulfilled until another life.


Always a useful explanation: http://www.buddhanet.net/fundbud9.htm

Nevyn

Surely this thread should be in the buddist forum or the spirituality forum ?
as it is not just a buddist or pagan belief.

and yes I do believe in it.

The Hill Billy

I'm not sure if it is exactly the same, but I'm a firm believer in "what goes around, comes around".

On the negative side - If someone really p1sses me off I am generally quite happy to say schtum & think "Fcuk you!" & just sit back & wait for (divine?) retribution to be meted out. (There are a couple of people I have had the bad luck to deal with who just won't know what hit them.)

On the positive side - One good turn does deserve another. Pay it forward! It's worth it in the long run.

WhiteWashMan

WhiteWashMan wrote:

i believe that for every thread you start, one year will be deducted from your life.

you down to about 40 years at the moment.

I've started 65 threads and i'm here since November:)

Funsterdelux

Thaedydal wrote:

Surely this thread should be in the buddist forum or the spirituality forum ?
as it is not just a buddist or pagan believe

and yes I do believe in it.

I agree, and I like Karma, the idea of it anyway, i just dont have much time for this world anymore.

Funsterdelux

Thaedydal wrote:

Surely this thread should be in the buddist forum or the spirituality forum ?
as it is not just a buddist or pagan believe

and yes I do believe in it.

I agree, and I like Karma, the idea of it anyway, i just dont have much time for this world(its people anyway) anymore.

Degsy

coolsmileygirl wrote:

I've started 65 threads and i'm here since November:)

65 threads?If i beleived in karma as you do i wouldnt set foot outside the house!!:rolleyes:

Hill Billy

Hill Billy wrote:

On the negative side - If someone really p1sses me off I am generally quite happy to say schtum & think "Fcuk you!" & just sit back & wait for (divine?) retribution to be meted out. (There are a couple of people I have had the bad luck to deal with who just won't know what hit them.)

I agree with this kind of approach too, I think its just because I'm a lazy bitch and I have a little faith in mankind that things come around my way again

Hobbes

Karma is just something to help those who got screwed over feel a bit better.

Degsy

Pighead wrote:

Pighead has done some ****ty things to people over the years. If there really is such a thing as Karma then I fully expect to end up heading off home drunk in a taxi with coolsmileygirl on my lap.

Not drunk pighead...not drunk!

18AD

If it is real than believing in it or not won't make a difference.

Unless the belief in it is what makes it come true.

If so I like to think it's real. Only without the reincarnation aspect as that seems highly unfair.

mikedragon32

ThatGuy wrote:

I believe it a little bit - but not into that whole 'butterfly effect' ****e.

The "butterfly effect" relates to the Chaos Theory, not Karma.

The "butterfly effect" has sound scientific basis, pioneered in the 60's by an MIT scientist called Edward Lorenz.

Pighead, nobody has been that bad to deserve that kind of fate!

Pighead

Pighead wrote:

Pighead has done some ****ty things to people over the years. If there really is such a thing as Karma then I fully expect to end up heading off home drunk in a taxi with coolsmileygirl on my lap.

you wish!!!

scojones

Pighead wrote:

Pighead has done some ****ty things to people over the years. If there really is such a thing as Karma then I fully expect to end up heading off home drunk in a taxi with coolsmileygirl on my lap.

Surely you haven't done something bad enough to deserve that treatment Pighead. I get the feeling this thread is a stab at Kiera being banned. If so, it should probably be closed. If not, it should probably be moved as Thaed said.

I "believe" in Karma. I like the ideas behind it, and I've read a good deal about it. That wiki article isn't that bad, considering it's wikipedia of course.

Pighead

coolsmileygirl wrote:

Umm you wish!!!

No I don't ya big ninny! Thats the whole point. Going home drunk in the back of the taxi with you salivating on my lap is payback for that time I seen a wasp on my young sisters head and told her to play the head slapping game with me.

sjones

sjones wrote:

Surely you haven't done something bad enough to deserve that treatment Pighead. I get the feeling this thread is a stab at Kiera being banned. If so, it should probably be closed. If not, it should probably be moved as Thaed said.

I "believe" in Karma. I like the ideas behind it, and I've read a good deal about it. That wiki article isn't that bad, considering it's wikipedia of course.

I was thinking of changing the sig i've had for the last few months and thought of the idea
and is Kiera actually banned ah well!!!:D

No more Kiera in AH then


anyway sjones the ideas behind a lot of theory's are ideal if not fitting but if you were doing somthing really bad(like a bank robbery or having an affair) would you ever stop to think, God I'm gonna pay for this !

Pighead

Pighead wrote:

No I don't ya big ninny! Thats the whole point. Going home drunk in the back of the taxi with you salivating on my lap is payback for that time I seen a wasp on my young sisters head and told her to play the head slapping game with me.

Ya love me really !!!

Degsy

coolsmileygirl wrote:

I was thinking of changing the sig i've had for the last few months and thought of the idea
and is Kiera actually banned ah well!!!:D

No more Kiera in AH then


anyway sjones the ideas behind a lot of theory's are ideal if not fitting but if you were doing somthing really bad(like a bank robbery or having an affair) would you ever stop to think, God I'm gonna pay for this !

During every single bank robbery/affair i think "God,i'm going to pay for this!".You've hit the nail squarely on the head.

Tobias Greeshman

Pigheads humour goes right over Coolsmileygirls head.

Yep!

monkeyfudge

Karma used to exist...

http://boards.ie/wiki/index.php/Karma

But not any more.

Pighead

coolsmileygirl wrote:

Ya love me really !!!

Sadly coolsmileygirl I do not. Pighead knows you may not be able to come to terms with this and will most probably sink to your knees and cry "Why oh why has he forsaken me?" But you must remember, life is cruel.

Look at the Magellanic penguins, the mother lays two eggs and allows both to hatch; only then does she begin to discriminate. Of the fish she brings to the nest, she gives 90 percent to the larger chick, even as the smaller one howls for food. In the pitiless cold of Antarctica, the underfed bird invariably dies.

As I said its a cruel cruel world.

Pighead

Pighead wrote:

the underfed bird invariably dies.

As I said its a cruel cruel world.

It dies thats terrible, really why would you tell me that:(

DaBreno

Of course there is no such thing. Bad people get away with it all the time and go on to live long and happy lives. Its not a fair world we live in and there is no all-seeing power keeping score on the actions of each individual. Sad really but there ya go.

mountainyman

Karma is an evil, evil idea that condemns 300 million indians to lives of misery and degradation.

Donegal Lass

or what about chi- give a little, take a little, save a little!!:D

Degsy

mountainyman wrote:

Karma is an evil, evil idea that condemns 300 million indians to lives of misery and degradation.

Thats a lot of misery and degradation.And it must've taken you ages to conduct a poll of that many people.

mountainyman

It took yonks Degsy absolute yonks

mountainyman

It took yonks Degsy absolute yonks

Ruu_Old

Karma ftw, close thread!

18AD

18AD wrote:

If it is real than believing in it or not won't make a difference.

If so I like to think it's real. Only without the reincarnation aspect as that seems highly unfair.

If it's you performing actions, it's hardly unfair that you bear the consequences, whether they're good or bad. I daresay you wouldn't be complaining if you were rich in another life as a result of some action(s) in this one.

Its not a fair world we live in and there is no all-seeing power keeping score on the actions of each individual.

Karma doesn't claim there is :rolleyes:

Karma is an evil, evil idea that condemns 300 million indians to lives of misery and degradation.

I'd say doing away with the caste system would be a better idea, they could still observe a dharma then and there'd be less misery.

Nevyn

mountainyman wrote:

Karma is an evil, evil idea that condemns 300 million indians to lives of misery and degradation.

no, that is the rigid caste system and that is curtural not to do directly with karma.

DaBreno

bluewolf wrote:

Karma doesn't claim there is :rolleyes:

Bad Karma for the smiley

Dave!

Hobbes wrote:

Karma is just something to help those who got screwed over feel a bit better.

yeah I agree, it's just like religion in general.

I'd like to believe in Karma, the world would probably be a better place if there were such a thing (or maybe not, I'll ponder that at some other stage... or maybe not), but I can't bring myself to believe in supernatural stuff like this.

DaveMcG

DaveMcG wrote:

yeah I agree, it's just like religion in general.

I'd like to believe in Karma, the world would probably be a better place if there were such a thing (or maybe not, I'll ponder that at some other stage... or maybe not), but I can't bring myself to believe in supernatural stuff like this.

I guess newton's law of actions must be supernatural too :rolleyes:

Puteq

I would agree with DavMcG and Hobbes, there is no Karma, and as far as i can tell people who believe in it believe in it because they want to believe in it. Hell I even like the idea, its just that that does not make it so. Likening it to Newtons laws does not make it so either, not to mention the fact that Newtons laws break down when you introduce Quantum mechanics.

mountainyman

Thaedydal wrote:

no, that is the rigid caste system and that is curtural not to do directly with karma.

Karma is an Indian cultural construct. The caste system derives its justification from Karma. If you mean 'what goes around comes around' it doesn't.

If one sins in deed one becomes an insect in one's next life.
If one sins in word one becomes a bird or animal in one's next life.
If one sins in thought one becomes an untouchable in one's next life.

The fact of being an untouchable is proof of evil in a past life; one's literal darrkness (of skin) reflects a previous darkness of soul.

If one doesn't want to be an untouchable inthe next life one must accept submissivly the humiliations of this life and follow the dharma of one's caste.

bluewolf without Caste how can you have Dharma?



MM

mountainyman

mountainyman wrote:

bluewolf without Caste how can you have Dharma?



MM

Sanatana Dharma isn't the only one out there, that's all.
There's buddha-dharma for a start...

I would agree with DavMcG and Hobbes, there is no Karma, and as far as i can tell people who believe in it believe in it because they want to believe in it. Hell I even like the idea, its just that that does not make it so. Likening it to Newtons laws does not make it so either, not to mention the fact that Newtons laws break down when you introduce Quantum mechanics.

I'm just trying to point out that there's a lot of misconceptions on karma, and while I'm still studying a lot and don't claim to be an expert on anything ever, it just seems that a lot of people miss that the word just means "action" and generally speaking it's "actions have consequences". Yes there's a less straightforward aspect to it - reincarnation or rebirth - but for the most part I'm just trying to see if people say it's all just an idea know anything more about it, that's all

18AD

Actually I change my mind. I don't like Karma anymore If I do bad stuff I don't want any retribution. Also I prefer the Taoist idea of giving without wanting anything in return.

Also, based on absolutely nothing. Would it not seem like poeple who do nice things would believe in Karma and those who do bad things don't?

Black Swan

Like could it be that karma is linked to the notion of ultimate fairness in the world? Well, John F. Kennedy, the first and only Catholic president of the US, was a skeptic of sorts when he commented before his assassination, "If you expect fairness in this world, you are sadly misinformed." I would also think that his younger brother and later presidential candidate, Senator Robert Kennedy, would have agreed, if he had been given the chance, before he too was assassinated.

Puteq

Originally Posted by 18AD

Would it not seem like poeple who do nice things would believe in Karma and those who do bad things don't?

I think it is a mistake to confuse morally 'good' behaviour with belief in Karma (or Religion either for that matter). I dont know why, but a lot of people do good in the world without the fear that God will kick their ass in the next life if they don't, and without fear that it'll come back and haunt them if they don't. Also, I'm sure (though I have no proof) that there are a lot of people who believe in Karma, and plenty Religous types too, who do plenty bad in their time despite their professed beliefs.

18AD

Puteq wrote:

I think it is a mistake to confuse morally 'good' behaviour with belief in Karma (or Religion either for that matter). I dont know why, but a lot of people do good in the world without the fear that God will kick their ass in the next life if they don't, and without fear that it'll come back and haunt them if they don't. Also, I'm sure (though I have no proof) that there are a lot of people who believe in Karma, and plenty Religous types too, who do plenty bad in their time despite their professed beliefs.

I realise that many people believe in it for there own reasons no matter how they act.

I didn't mean that people acted nice because they believed in Karma, but rather the other way around. Nice poeple for selfish reasons, and not so nice people for selfish reasons also. Nice want nice, bad don't want bad.
Now that I think about it, this doesn't make sense if you don't assume that you're beliefs change the world around you. Sorry for my confusion

solas

I don't believe in this life past life stuff, I'm not a major believer in reincarnation, although I do believe in the concept of grace, which I figure is relatively akin to the concept of dharma which is living or existing in harmony with the laws of the universe or something of a gift gained through enlightenment.

i think.

judi

i am a huge believer in Karma!! definitly what you dish out be prepared to get back:D

Puteq

judi wrote:

i am a huge believer in Karma!! definitly what you dish out be prepared to get back:D

This is a fine theory and as I have said before I like the idea, but where’s the proof? Wouldn't that mean the Nazis who performed horrible experiments on Jews during WW2 would be suffering immeasurably now - instead of living to ripe old ages without anyone even knowing their pasts? I mean, there are plenty of examples of bad people who got what they deserved, but there are plenty of examples of bad people who didn’t, as well as examples of good people who had bad experiences throughout their lives and were never rewarded or recognised for their good.

The idea of some form of balancing force or Karma in light of this doesn’t seem plausible to me (unless you subscribe to the idea of payback in the next life, but as was previously pointed out this leads to the notion that if you are disadvantaged in this life, you deserve it, which is not a good theory in itself etc)