True Lives documentary on the murder of Jerry McCabe

ReefBreak

This was an excellent piece of television. The highlight was certainly the moment when she asked Gerry Adams what he knew of the murder. As usual, like a coward, he weaseled his way out of answering the question, preferring to resort to the usual meaningless stock comments that he makes in these situations. This was compulsive viewing for those Shinner-voting idiots that think these scumbags should be released from their hotel, sorry, prison. Ann McCave is a real hero.

gandalf

Damn I forgot this was on. Will it be repeated ?

possibly,I missed it aswell.
Someone with digiguide would know (ask here as they mostly all have it)

Great tv tool digiguide,tells you when/if everything is repeated.

oscarBravo

Saw it, for a wonder (I don't watch much TV). Ann McCabe's dignity and courage are inspirational.

I somehow doubt it will have much of an influence in the Republican movement. Anyone who is equivocal about the wrongness of cold-bloodedly murdering a family man doing his job is, quite frankly, living on a different planet from the rest of civilisation.

samb

Ye Brilliant. I think Anne McCabe may have single handily slowed the rise of SF/IRA's electoral gains by at least a seat or two. It's only right that she continues to make noise and hopefully in years to come history will not be revised and our streets will not be named Adams as they are Parnell.

Nuttzz

Brave woman to confront adams at a shinner fund raiser, he spoke to her like she was a small child, I'd love to see her run in the next election up against that gunner runner Ferris.

mountainyman

Forgot her husband was the only person killed. This documentary was an insult to Jean McConville.

ScottishDanny

mountainyman wrote:

Forgot her husband was the only person killed. This documentary was an insult to Jean McConville.

What about the other nearly 3,500 people killed in that conflict and the Catholic civilians still being attacked in 2006? Nobody has a monopoly on grief, I feel sorry for Mrs McCabe and the McConville family but when prisoners were released under the GFA it affected thousands of people on both sides of the divide who saw the killers of their loved ones walk free (for every Micheal Stone there was a Patrick Magee). They didn't like it but they dealt with it. Why are people so hung up about one Garda? AFAIK his killers are still serving their sentence. I'm not trying to provoke anything here I just don't understand how 1 Garda = 3,500 others.

And whats that about rape? First I've heard.

ScottishDanny

ScottishDanny wrote:

What about the other nearly 3,500 people killed in that conflict and the Catholic civilians still being attacked in 2006? Nobody has a monopoly on grief, I feel sorry for Mrs McCabe and the McConville family but when prisoners were released under the GFA it affected thousands of people on both sides of the divide who saw the killers of their loved ones walk free (for every Micheal Stone there was a Patrick Magee). They didn't like it but they dealt with it. Why are people so hung up about one Garda? AFAIK his killers are still serving their sentence. I'm not trying to provoke anything here I just don't understand how 1 Garda = 3,500 others.

And whats that about rape? First I've heard.

Ah you'll have to do better than the stock reply.

Lets have something more original than a deflection/avoidance of the awkward issue that the IRA apparently sanctioned/agree with the shooting dead of a respected catholic law enforcement officer of the Republic of Ireland.

ScottishDanny

OK,
Why is his religion an issue? I personally think the whole affair was wrong, it broke the conditions of the ceasefire and I'm sure the perpetrators are not eligible for early release under the GFA so I don't believe the shinners have a case for releasing them early. I also understand that the robbery contravenes the PIRA 'green book' (operations in the 26 counties, shooting of Garda or Irish Defence Forces)so yes there are a lot of questions there. Like why risk the whole peace process for a post office van in Limerick?

My point is why is Gda McCabe singled out by public opinion as some kind of lone martyr? Is that not a fair point?

Dirk Gently

ScottishDanny wrote:

My point is why is Gda McCabe singled out by public opinion as some kind of lone martyr? Is that not a fair point?

Maybe because it is a more practical way of stunting SF's electoral growth than lobbing all the deaths at them which they will brush off by citing deaths on their own side at the hands of British forces. They can’t really justify Mc Cabes death even by their warped standards.

It's not about one person being more important than all the other deaths; it’s about using this case as a focal point, representing public repulsion at acts of violence. This specific case is representative of all the victims as in it puts pressure on those who try to achieve their aims through violence against innocent people.

as for risking the peace process for an opportunistic raid, well not all Provo’s support the peace process and a spanner in the GFA works is just what some on both sides want even if the groups they're affiliated to support the agreement.

rcs

This was an excellent programme that showed Sinn Féin/IRA up for what they really are - a bunch of cowardly, cold blooded criminals & murderers.

It also showed what a complete and utter liar Gerry Adams is. For how long after Gerry McCabe was murdered did he spin the line that this was not an officially sanctioned IRA operation? Then when the heat had died down and he knew it wouldn't affect his party, he came out and admitted that it was, in order to get his "colleagues" out of prison under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement.

You can't claim one thing and then when it suits you claim another, in order to get those men freed, who should be doing time for murder in Mountjoy, not manslaugter in the holiday camp that is Castlerea.

What sort of right minded people vote for these terrorists? God forbid the day Sinn Féin ever get into government down here.

I disagree

I found the programme to be pure dribble. It was over emotional and tried to portray this person as some kind of semi-God. It went over the top and it would have been better not to have shown so many home videos of that man. Ben was a right laugh with his sob poem.

rcs

I disagree wrote:

Ben was a right laugh with his sob poem.

I'd say you would be a lot of laughs too, if you were riddled with bullets and left to die

billy the squid

Ugh that stupid bint Toireasa Ferris winds me up. maybe something went off accidentily she says, yeah fifteen ****ing times. and in two groups of shots. the man who pulled the trigger sprayed the car with bullets, stopped, and sprayed the car with bullets again.

Brian Capture

Detective Jerry McCabe was killed accidentally by 17 stray bullets fired by a group of freedom fighters.

He died while they were trying to end British rule in Ireland.
Those men are heroes who should be freed.

Brian Capture

Brian Capture wrote:

Detective Jerry McCabe was killed accidentally by 17 stray bullets fired by a group of freedom fighters.

He died while they were trying to end British rule in Ireland.
Those men are heroes who should be freed.

yeah,like Gerry mcCabe was anything to do with the North and like the bullets werent fired at him or anything.
Did you run your statement by the health and safety dept for the bit about the stray bullets ? :rolleyes:
I'd like to see a united Ireland too,I'd campaign for it with billboard advertising if the bank would give me the money for to run the campaign,I wonder should I go into the branch with a double barrel shot gun and demand an increase in my overdraft or the first teller I see gets it? :rolleyes:

To tell you the truth,your little soundbite holds as much water as a sand riddle.

RedPlanet

I thought the program was rubbish.
It had it's moments alright, however RTE loves to venture into their anti-SF rants and it just devalues their calibre of journalism.
I love the part where (this one guy) was onabout how after the killers are released we'd see them paraded around the SF Ard Feis, lamented as heroes.
When in reality, this incident is hugely awkward for SF.

ReefBreak

RedPlanet wrote:

however RTE loves to venture into their anti-SF rants

I'm not sure what RTE you've been watching for the last 30 years.

oscarBravo

RedPlanet wrote:

When in reality, this incident is hugely awkward for SF.

...which explains why they've been abandoned to their own devices in Castlerea, with no visits from SF officials from one year's end to the next.

Right?

civdef

Ben was a right laugh with his sob poem.

I'd consider myself a cynic who isn't often surprised by the depths people can sink to, but well done, you just set a new marker.

RedPlanet

ReefBreak wrote:

I'm not sure what RTE you've been watching for the last 30 years.

you know, the one that enjoyed Section 31.

I disagree

civdef wrote:

I'd consider myself a cynic who isn't often surprised by the depths people can sink to, but well done, you just set a new marker.

I thought it was a bad poem that a child could make up in two minutes. Thats all.

DublinWriter

Brian Capture wrote:

Detective Jerry McCabe was killed accidentally by 17 stray bullets fired by a group of freedom fighters.

He died while they were trying to end British rule in Ireland.
Those men are heroes who should be freed.

Wow, I wish the world was as black and white for me as it seems to be for you.

You'll never destroy the church by pulling down a steeple.

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DublinWriter wrote:

You'll never destroy the church by pulling down a steeple.

but its a start...

mountainyman

I am bored of hearing about Gerry McCabe and his widow is just an ordianary woman who has gone mad with grief. She is not inspiring or uplifting. I am not learning anything from her. Her suffering has not ennobled her. I am sure if I was in that position I would be all about the forgiveness.

She should be more saintly.

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mountainyman wrote:

I am bored of hearing about Gerry McCabe and his widow is just an ordianary woman who has gone mad with grief. She is not inspiring or uplifting. I am not learning anything from her. Her suffering has not ennobled her. I am sure if I was in that position I would be all about the forgiveness.

She should be more saintly.

well said, and so true... she is getting as tiresome as the mccarthy sisters...

and we all know who funded the mccarthy sisters, i wonder who is funding this campagne.

Meh

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well said, and so true... she is getting as tiresome as the mccarthy sisters...

Yes, I bet you republicans would like them to shut up with the inconvenient questions about how your "movement" murders, steals and lies. The comments in this thread disgust me, Sinn Fein supporters are revealing their true terrorist colours.

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Meh wrote:

Yes, I bet you republicans would like them to shut up with the inconvenient questions about how your "movement" murders, steals and lies. The comments in this thread disgust me, Sinn Fein supporters are revealing their true terrorist colours.

im not a republican and i have never voted sinn fein.

so start that moan again.

daveirl

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IronMan

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well said, and so true... she is getting as tiresome as the mccarthy sisters...

and we all know who funded the mccarthy sisters, i wonder who is funding this campagne.

Truly stomach churning stuff. Why do people like you hate the republic and this democracy so much?

daveirl

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daveirl wrote:

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SDLP... i thought this was common knowledge to people who take an interest in all this.

ya around election time.... oh where are they now, ah yes the election in the north is over...

i wonder do we have elections coming up in the next year or so.

come on people... lets look through the obvious smoke screen

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IronMan wrote:

Truly stomach churning stuff. Why do people like you hate the republic and this democracy so much?

we all voted for the good Friday agreement...and under that agreement they should be released... now that democracy.

ScottishDanny

Its 'McCartney' not McCarthy. Have you seen them in the media recently? No. Why? Because the story isn't 'sexy' enough for the media anymore - the public eye has moved on.

If RTE had a 'red and green' vision doesn't that mean they're more sympathetic to Stickies rather than Provo's?

daveirl

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Sand

yeah,like Gerry mcCabe was.....much water as a sand riddle.

Wow, I wish the world was as black and white for me as it seems to be for you.

I think he was being sarcastic - though confusion is understandable because Provos do think on those lines, as demonstrated in this thread.

Brave woman to confront adams at a shinner fund raiser, he spoke to her like she was a small child, I'd love to see her run in the next election up against that gunner runner Ferris.

Well, in his defence its the intellectual level he pitches his spiel to mostly. Id like to see her run against Ferris as well but in fairness - she shouldnt have to. Shes a widow, and she should be able to rely on the politicians and institutions of this state to defend her and her husband against the subversion of these mafia scumbags. Its deeply shameful that Bertie Ahern agreed to do a deal with Adams over the murder of a Garda, and deeply shameful that McCabe has to continue to fight because no politician appear willing to confront SFIRA - with the exception of McDowell who is loathed and consistently attacked by both Provo sympathisers and those too craven to stand up with him.

And its shameful that people will vote for Ferris when his daughter refuses to condemn the murder of a Garda, and her father - a serving TD - said he would never co-operate with any investigation into McCabes murder, and not pass on information to the Gardai. This is a serving TD, one of our lawmakers. The repeated message from the Ferris sick clan is that they endorse this murder, or at the very least would never lift a finger to see justice done. This is the calibre of "organisation" that people are voting for.

I somehow doubt it will have much of an influence in the Republican movement. Anyone who is equivocal about the wrongness of cold-bloodedly murdering a family man doing his job is, quite frankly, living on a different planet from the rest of civilisation.

It will have none. The people who vote for SFIRA do so in full knowledge of who theyre voting for. The bitter denials and demands to prove fire is hot and water is wet are simply an expression of contempt for others, that they consider others to be stupid enough to believe their ****e. When you vote for SFIRA you endorse their murder, crime and terrorism - it can hardly shock you when they commit murder, crime and terrorism.

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murphaph

I watched the programme too. I found it very sad first and foremost. I know guards just like McCabe, family men who almost treat the job as a sideline and are really jolly blokes. I reckon McCabe was a great family man.

Anyway, the scum who murdered him and attempted to murder O'Sullivan (both Gardai performing their duties for this state, that's for us!!) are beneath contempt as are anyone who dares defend those crimes.

The Ferris clan are out and out trash. There's just no nice way of putting it. That picture they showed of Martin Ferris stood shoulder to shoulder with them in Castlerea was truly sickening-a sitting TD in Dail Eireann openly supporting cop killers. You shouldn't be allowed back through the doors of Leinster House following that act. It should be called treason. A guard represents this state for God's sake.

Ann McCabe is clearly a shattered woman. She looks completely empty. It's really sad. She'll never get justice either.

I wonder, McCabe was a Kerryman, right? If she did stand against Ferris, would she win? She just might bring out a different voter. I'd love to see that scumbag unseated by a decent human being like Ann McCabe.

Dirk Gently

Brian Capture wrote:

Detective Jerry McCabe was killed accidentally by 17 stray bullets fired by a group of freedom fighters.

He died while they were trying to end British rule in Ireland.
Those men are heroes who should be freed.

Was this not sarcasm?
Bad attempt at it alright but smells of sarcasm to me.
Maybe the poster can come back and confirm or else I got it wrong when thinking nobody could be so stupid (even ra heads)

ReefBreak

Detective Jerry McCabe was killed accidentally by 17 stray bullets fired by a group of freedom fighters.

He died while they were trying to end British rule in Ireland.
Those men are heroes who should be freed.

This is a direct quote from:
http://www.hotpress.com/discuss/topic.adp?d=248709&t=2867961

i.e. it was complete sarcasm.

ReefBreak

Sand wrote:

And its shameful that people will vote for Ferris when his daughter refuses to condemn the murder of a Garda, and her father - a serving TD - said he would never co-operate with any investigation into McCabes murder, and not pass on information to the Gardai. This is a serving TD, one of our lawmakers. The repeated message from the Ferris sick clan is that they endorse this murder, or at the very least would never lift a finger to see justice done. This is the calibre of "organisation" that people are voting for.

Sand is still the best debater on Boards.ie/politics as far as I'm concerned.

I would love to see Ann McCabe run against Gunner Ferris, but only if I was convinced she would win the seat.

Cork

ReefBreak wrote:

I would love to see Ann McCabe run against Gunner Ferris, but only if I was convinced she would win the seat.

I would like to see this as well.

We have an Irish political party refusing to condemn the murder of a Garda.

What is more, we have 8 or 9% of the electorate willing to vote for such.

BillyCom

Reefbreak, heres a blogsite run by a typical Shinner-voting idiot.
http://gaskinbalrog.blogspot.com/

Scroll down to the Thread entitled "Ferris won't betray trust " and you can see the calibre of the people running this site. :mad:

Tsar

I too think Sand is the best debater on Boards.ie/politics. I think it is a sad reflection on the people of this country that Martin Ferris is TD.

Sand

I too think Sand is the best debater on Boards.ie/politics. I think it is a sad reflection on the people of this country that Martin Ferris is TD.

With 1 post and just registered within the last 11 days, Id advise you to withold judgement and give the others a fair crack of the whip...

Scroll down to the Thread entitled "Ferris won't betray trust " and you can see the calibre of the people running this site

Despite protests about heirarchy of victims, SFIRA definitly operate and hold a very stict ranking of victims. Victims of republicans are expected to shut up and mind their place, victims of loyalists are expected to constantly remind everyone why they cant trust the PSNI, and victims of the British army are expected to constantly remind everyone why the Brits are the real oppressors at the end of the day.

Dirk Gently

Quite the little fan club you have there sand.

Think I might set up a few new accounts and pat myself on the back just to equal things out a bit.

Sand

Quite the little fan club you have there sand.

Think I might set up a few new accounts and pat myself on the back just to equal things out a bit.

Well, I dont know - half my fan club is ashamed to admit membership under their real identity. Not sure that Im pleased about being ranked up there with pot noodle fetishes in the appreciation/shame stakes.

mountainyman

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I like the eliding from the '70s to the present day. Who TODAY do you think is pro provo in RTE? Anyway I don't agree.

Eoghan Harris was fairly influential at that time; he hates the provos and always has/ RTE was heavily censored and the government of the state was aggressively anti provo. There was very little complaint from within RTE when censorship was brought in precisely because they were a bunch of lefties (though I think that's pretty unlikely : I am sure there were many more Fianna Failures than Workers Party).

daveirl wrote:

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I'd be interested in a couple of examples.
Morning dIreland today was all the cancer strategy (YAWN) and sNewstalk was all Roy Keane (good riddance to bad rubbish). Nothing about or from the northa at all.

In fact if you dislike the provos you should want as much news about them in the north as possible because their whole strategy down here is based on the lie trhat they are left wing.

MM

Jackie laughlin

Mrs. McCabe Versus Martin Ferris! Madness! Criminal Vs victim! What if she lost? The people of Kerry have enough choice already. Its simple really: SF/IRA versus democracy.

my_house

get over it people. the shinners are gaining power and will keep doing so, regardless of how many of you assume all shin fein voters are stupid.

SF/IRA? what is that?