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Good play or abusing the rules?

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  • #32
    strewelpeter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭strewelpeter


    I hear what you are saying Dev, a TD has got to be able to apply the rules in a way that is even handed and that allows for the complicated situations that come up.
    But when is a rule not a rule?
    What you say about string bets is spot on, but that is the way its gotta be because otherwise people start bending and stretching the rules as far as they can. But it is a rule, everyone knows it is a rule and everyone forgets it occasionally but they will find it fairly applied to everyone in every pot. As you say no one is going to try using string betting for an advantage because they know that it would be a waste of time...they are going to be picked up on it immediately. Likewise I would say that the same should go for any similar rule , and I do believe that the mobile phone rule (no matter how much more sinister using it for advantage would be) is there for the same reason.
    Once there are rules they are part of the game. A while ago I was at a PE event and was sitting at the table looking at my cards for a good while when the action came around to me the dealer took my cards and told me I wasn't sitting when the first card was dealt. Fair enough. Much later at the biz end of a Sng the button arrives back in his seat in time for his second card to be dealt and he tries to steal my Blinds and the dealer is allowing him to. Now call me a Bollix if you like but I'm having the same rule applied now as was applied earlier. And I was a total bollix about it and when the stewards enquiry was over it turned out that different dealers had been told different things.

    The bottom line for me is I would like a rule book so that I know where I stand, sure leave room for TD to interpret and apply fairly but I want at least a framework to refer to.
    Connie is a very restrained man, fair play to you for not causing a scene, I do admire your attitude but I think you were treated very unfairly.


  • #33
    connie147
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭connie147


    strewelpeter wrote:
    I hear what you are saying Dev, a TD has got to be able to apply the rules in a way that is even handed and that allows for the complicated situations that come up.
    But when is a rule not a rule?
    What you say about string bets is spot on, but that is the way its gotta be because otherwise people start bending and stretching the rules as far as they can. But it is a rule, everyone knows it is a rule and everyone forgets it occasionally but they will find it fairly applied to everyone in every pot. As you say no one is going to try using string betting for an advantage because they know that it would be a waste of time...they are going to be picked up on it immediately. Likewise I would say that the same should go for any similar rule , and I do believe that the mobile phone rule (no matter how much more sinister using it for advantage would be) is there for the same reason.
    Once there are rules they are part of the game. A while ago I was at a PE event and was sitting at the table looking at my cards for a good while when the action came around to me the dealer took my cards and told me I wasn't sitting when the first card was dealt. Fair enough. Much later at the biz end of a Sng the button arrives back in his seat in time for his second card to be dealt and he tries to steal my Blinds and the dealer is allowing him to. Now call me a Bollix if you like but I'm having the same rule applied now as was applied earlier. And I was a total bollix about it and when the stewards enquiry was over it turned out that different dealers had been told different things.

    The bottom line for me is I would like a rule book so that I know where I stand, sure leave room for TD to interpret and apply fairly but I want at least a framework to refer to.
    Connie is a very restrained man, fair play to you for not causing a scene, I do admire your attitude but I think you were treated very unfairly.

    The reason I was "restrained" is because I run my own card club and Im a sticker on the tournament directors ruling being the final say.Where as I mightnt agree with the decision made,Id only question it in private.I was disappointed that player A didnt give an honest account of the length of phone call,but hey,if it was a tactic,he played it brilliantly and maybe I should have made my views known.But its not my style.


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