Dealers Shafted by Pokerevents

Kimba

After working the weekend at Citywest for Pokerevents, i have to say that they are the worst people i have ever worked for! The Charity event was a disaster for them, numbers wise, which resulted in about 15-20 dealers being sent home after an hour of arriving. (They dont pay petrol costs either, although they did get people to the luas!)

They sent away people that lived locally, that work for them usually in favour of the dealers they brought from other areas that they had put up in the hotel.

The only person who actually acknowledged the dealers and thanked them for coming was Stephen. The first words out of Donal's mouth to me were "Are you going to deal at all tonight?" which were uttered to me 30 minutes after i had been told i was finished.

Pamela's idea of being nice, is to tell the dealers they are finished and then laugh at them. Her idea of being organised, is to order people where to go. I dont think i heard a please or thank you out of her the whole weekend.

Fintan actually requested a dealer to the table he was playing on, to take an order from everyone and go to the bar and get the drinks.

After being sent home the first day, i was guaranteed by Stephen that there would be work for me the rest of the weekend. I showed up the next night and after an hour was once again told i was being sent home. I was raging and after speaking with Stephen was told to go back in and deal.

They pay 10 euro an hour but only to deal tournanments if you deal a sit n go you dont get paid, you do get to keep any tips however. This is pot luck though, if you dont get tipped, you dont get paid!

There was no organisation whatsoever and some dealers there, that havent worked for them before, didnt know what was going on.

If anyone is stupid enough to work for them, good luck! But there are plenty of poker tournaments around and plenty of work. Try working for Mike Lacey who really does treat his staff well and you will see the difference.

And lastly to Pokerevents themselves, I hope you read this and maybe learn a thing or two. A few please and thank you's, or even a hello, every once in a while to your staff would go a long way.

Good Luck

Dani

shoutman

Although I didn't work for them myself, four of my friends did, two of whom post on this bored, all for of them didn't have a single nice thing to say about them.
Now it could of been just the timing of it all with pokerevents being under pressure running such a big tournement etc.

ArmaniJeanss

Wow, sounds nasty.
Dealer people should organise some sort of union if thats what goes on.
The bit where you are expected to deal SNGs for free sounds illegal, surely at the very least min-wage should apply.

ditpoker

Kimba wrote:

After working the weekend at Citywest for Pokerevents, i have to say that they are the worst people i have ever worked for! The Charity event was a disaster for them, numbers wise, which resulted in about 15-20 dealers being sent home after an hour of arriving. (They dont pay petrol costs either, although they did get people to the luas!)

i worked at this also. I was sent home on both of the first two days. In PE's defence, they had booked dealers based on a certain number of runners in their event but did not getthese numbers, therefore from a practical business point of view it is in their interest to rid themselves of some dealers. My main gripe was the manner in which this was done. There was no compensation given to dealers who would not work, i.e. a call out fee, and there was little/no compassion for shown by certain members of the PE hierarchy.

Kimba wrote:

They sent away people that lived locally, that work for them usually in favour of the dealers they brought from other areas that they had put up in the hotel.

Again, from a business point of view this makes sense. Given that they had to pay for accomodation for dealers from Galway, for example, they were the right dealers to keep. However, given that PE provided accomodation for some dealers, then it would seem reasonable to either offer Dublin staff accomodation or at least travel expenses.

Kimba wrote:

The only person who actually acknowledged the dealers and thanked them for coming was Stephen.

I felt sorry for Stephen as he was put in a terrible situation. He had been the one who hired the Dublin staff and seemed to be genuinely apologetic about the situation. Stephen apologised at length at, again unlike certain PE decision makers, took the time to listen to dealer's grievances and explain as best he could the situation.

Kimba wrote:

Pamela's idea of being nice, is to tell the dealers they are finished and then laugh at them. Her idea of being organised, is to order people where to go. I dont think i heard a please or thank you out of her the whole weekend.

"DEALERS MAKE YOURSELF LOOK BUSY!!!!" but surely by virtue of you telling us to look busy you know that we're just doing pointless busy work in an attempt to look busy...!?!? and given that you hired 20+ additional staff, how busy can we look!??! Suffice to say that Kimba's above quote is reasonably accuarte. The manner in which the administration staff handled events on Thurs/Fri was poor at best. When I was voicing my opinion about how poorly we had been treated the response was "If you keep up with this attitude you won't win the best dealer prize!!" :eek: :eek: :mad: :eek: :mad: WHAT!?!?

Kimba wrote:

Fintan actually requested a dealer to the table he was playing on, to take an order from everyone and go to the bar and get the drinks.

:mad: At one stage i was asked to go around and pick up empty glasses and bring them to the bar.... doesn't the hotel employ bar staff for this?!

Kimba wrote:

After being sent home the first day, i was guaranteed by Stephen that there would be work for me the rest of the weekend. I showed up the next night and after an hour was once again told i was being sent home. I was raging and after speaking with Stephen was told to go back in and deal.

the situation the second day baffled me too. There were people who had dealt for in excess of 12 hours the previous day and who had limited sleep (and moderate dealing skills.... ) who were again kept on to deal the MAIN EVENT in favour of dealers who were sent home for the second day running. Again, to be fair to Stephen he did agree that for the MAIN EVENT the players should be given the BEST dealers and not necessarily the most economical dealers.

Kimba wrote:

They pay 10 euro an hour but only to deal tournanments if you deal a sit n go you dont get paid, you do get to keep any tips however. This is pot luck though, if you dont get tipped, you dont get paid!

I disagree with the sentiment here. You are suggesting that this is a bad thing. If you do not wish to take this risk then simply deal the main tournement and receive you're guaranteed 10 per hour. It can happen that you deal for 2 hours in a SNG and get zero, but equally you can deal a SNG for 1 hour and get 50, and no-one complains about that.

Kimba wrote:

If anyone is stupid enough to work for them, good luck! But there are plenty of poker tournaments around and plenty of work.

Dealing for PE is handy USUALLY, and the dealers who DID get work at citywest i'm sure were no doubt happy with it. I think regarding the DUblin staff PE completely dropped the ball and owe one very large apology to alot of people. And if a similar situation arose in future they should be willing to pay compensation pay to the less fortunate dealers aswell as sorting a sgift/rota system so that certain dealers dont end up doing 15 hour shifts when such a work load could be split over two dealers doing 8hrs each. In future I think all companies that employ dealers should be willing to pay a minimum of 40-50 euro per callout.

Kimba wrote:

Try working for Mike Lacey who really does treat his staff well and you will see the difference.

I have yet to work for Mike (i am soon! ) but to Mike and GJP's credit i have heard nothing but glowing reports.

Kimba wrote:

And lastly to Pokerevents themselves, I hope you read this and maybe learn a thing or two. A few please and thank you's, or even a hello, every once in a while to your staff would go a long way.

completely agree....

Coillte_Bhoy

It can happen that you deal for 2 hours in a SNG and get zero, but equally you can deal a SNG for 1 hour and get 50, and no-one complains about that.

I predict a great future for you in IBEC:rolleyes:

MadsL

As a former dealer, respect for posting this. I haven't heard both sides of this, so I'll reserve judgement until Fintan gets a chance to post in defence. Usually at a big event like this there is a fairly hefty tip for the dealers once a deal is made, I'd be interested to know how that was handled if you showed up both days but were sent home.

I dont think i heard a please or thank you out of her the whole weekend.

Makes a difference don't it.

In future I think all companies that employ dealers should be willing to pay a minimum of 40-50 euro per callout.

I hear a boards dealer charter acoming....

aodea

yeah its mostly been said but just a few points to add. went out thursday to work for three hours and be sent home with again stephen being the only one who seemed to care. i would love to know how dealers were selected to go back as i know some who got work had not worked for them before and others got no work at all.

i really am confused as to why dealers cudnt get shifts which may have kept everyone happy and not had people working 14hours a day for 4 days.

went back yesterday were stephen said there was work and got six hours but again would liked to have worked longer but the lads who had been working all weekend stayed on most of which had about four hours sleep. stephen was playing yesterday so didnt really make any decisions which is fair enough also he is a quaility player never knew what he was holding.

just thought with such a big event mostly everyone could have been kept happier. although what do i know im, only a student as people on boards love to point out.

ianmc38

I was speaking to a dealer last night who felt similarly cheesed off about the whole situation and said he'd never do a PE tourney again after the treatment they got.

sendic

I used to work the PE red cow events. This was back when Richard was in charge of the dealers (I think he in Glaway now). He was very good to the dealers and took care of them. The "managment" side of things weren't always so helpful.

What I want to know is what they are doing with the tips from the main tournaments. While I was there, I was told that these tips would be used for a "dealer night out". I dont know if this took place or not, being one of their casual dublin staff and not a "full time" member. I never saw a red cent of those tips.

ntlbell

sendic wrote:

I used to work the PE red cow events. This was back when Richard was in charge of the dealers (I think he in Glaway now). He was very good to the dealers and took care of them. The "managment" side of things weren't always so helpful.

What I want to know is what they are doing with the tips from the main tournaments. While I was there, I was told that these tips would be used for a "dealer night out". I dont know if this took place or not, being one of their casual dublin staff and not a "full time" member. I never saw a red cent of those tips.

I've heard this from a few dealer's.

I've stopped playing all their events for a number of reasons, the above been one of them Fintan's attitude another.

My list is pretty long!

5starpool

Another thing I have also heard that sounds terrible if true (and I have it from a good source) is that from the tournaments tips are given out not equally, but in subjective awards such as 'best dealer'. If this is true is it possibly the worst way of distributing tips I have ever heard of. I have never dealt for anyone, let alone PE so beyond the above I can't comment.

Even if there are cash awards from the tips for the above as part of the pool (and the rest split evenly) then I still think this is bad as how is this decided? One players good dealer is anothers bogey dealer etc.

If there are none of these type awards then sorry I brought it up.

ianmc38

Dave posted something here a while back about PE dealers getting none of the tips, hence he didn't leave one when he won last time.

DocO

I used to work in the SE and when the last PokerEvents gig was on in the citywest i was approached about dealin at it and i choose to deal in the casino etc, mainly due to transport.

What i heard back from two of the foreign dealers in the SE was an absolute joke. They said they dealt ten hour days with two Smoke breaks only - Jopke

Also they asid that those who were choosen to deal the STT's were the regular PE staff - understandable, but then shouldnt it be randomly choosen?

With regards tips they hand to constantly call out to collect their tips, which eventually amounted up to a massive 100€ each, which considering the hours they had worked was nothing (this was the event player x had won, and i heard he tipped nearly 6k, the breakdown of the tips was absolutely terrible, should have workde out at 3-400 each) these two dealers said they would never deal at a PE event again and i dont blame them. was it because they were foreign and easily "fobbed" off?

I was asked to deal this wkend, and when i found out it was for PE i laughed and said no thank you. Stephen is a very nice man and all dealings ive ever had with him or witnessed involving him he is very courteois, i cant speak personally about the rest.

No call out fee for hte dealers is an absolute joke, how can you expect employee loyalty when treating them like this?

Get your act together Fintan, and go to the bar yourself.

Gholimoli

ianmc38 wrote:

Dave posted something here a while back about PE dealers getting none of the tips, hence he didn't leave one when he won last time.

Yeah I remember this and I also remember Fintan replying saying that it was total bull s**t and it was not true and all the dealers were being looked after etc.
I love to hear his response to this thread.

pppspecial

first things first. numbers. fintain did his best for this event working his team up and down the country running tournaments and bringing people into poker and this must not be forgotten so he has been a very busy bunny for the last 6 months. second. the charity gig was run by luke not by poker events they simply gave a hand in the running off the whole operation which again they didnt have to do. regarding tips i was talking to dealers who worked this weekend and let me tell ya thery were the only 1s who made money this weekend making a weeks wage in tips tax free in 3 days.500+. com on guys. oh i happened to be there all weekend and if u really must know fintain didnt get the numbers for the tournaments because boyles did very little promoting for the tournament it was all done by PE. think irish open run by paddy power.....nope run by the merrion club. paddy powers did get there fingers out and push there tourny so dealers if ur up set the only people to point the finger at is boyles for not getting enough work.

excellent job guys well done in what u achived again this weekend. all those pros that turned up cant be wrong to keep coming over.
well done fintain donal stephen and the rest off the team.

shoutman

I dont think anyone was disputing what seemed like a well run tournement with a good structure, everyone who has posted about it has said such, however not one dealer has defended pokerevent, much to the contrary many have come on and barated them for their lack of human decency.
If things were to continue as is PE will have trouble finding dealers to work for them.
I myself have worked for GJP and must say that they are the best employers I have ever had, generous, fair and polite.

MadsL

making a weeks wage in tips tax free in 3 days.500+

14 hours a day x 3

= €11.90 hour

It also equals 42 hours, looks and smells like a week's work to me...


I guess they can retire then :rolleyes:

You should try dealing for 14 hours....

aodea

i was talking to dealers who worked this weekend and let me tell ya thery were the only 1s who made money this weekend making a weeks wage in tips tax free in 3 days.500+. com on guys

exaxtly they got work! and they got tips and did well but cant see why the hours could not be spread is my point.

DapperGent

Kimba wrote:

Fintan actually requested a dealer to the table he was playing on, to take an order from everyone and go to the bar and get the drinks.

lol. What a knobjockey.

pppspecial wrote:

i was talking to dealers who worked this weekend and let me tell ya thery were the only 1s who made money this weekend making a weeks wage in tips tax free in 3 days.500+. com on guys.

I find this fascinating. Are all these dealers paid under the table? No tax no PRSI or anything? Classy.

pppspecial

there normal pay would be 10 an hour so 42hrs would be 420 euro+ 11.90 in tip means 21 .90 per hour this weekend. good weekends work for most. as explained it made perfect business sense to do what they did in regards dealers. unfortunate but thats business.oh and dealers tips like anyother business tips are not accounted for in day to day dealings. there normal 10 per hour would have to be. dapper u silly monkey.madsl go back to school. adodea sorry but thats just life thats why there the employers and were the employies.

DapperGent

pppspecial wrote:

oh and dealers tips like anyother business tips are not accounted for in day to day dealings. there normal 10 per hour would have to be. dapper u silly monkey.

Ah okay, so the apart from tips everything else is declared? I can sleep easier.

madsl go back to school.

At least he can spell.

pppspecial

ohh and as for mike lacey. great guy great tourny director unfortunatly needs a few tips on how to play poker though. GJP 250 freezeouts well worth traveling for.the craic is mighty.

aodea

pppspecial wrote:

there normal pay would be 10 an hour so 42hrs would be 420 euro+ 11.90 in tip means 21 .90 per hour this weekend. good weekends work for most.

easy to say when getting paid and for people who turned down other work not so easy to say! and as you say there the employers and we the employees well former for most of us me thinks. that said no prob with the work when there is some. dealing to jessie may was a bit of fun as well. he easily talks a better game than plays although he had been drinking.

Waylander

pppspecial wrote:

there normal pay would be 10 an hour so 42hrs would be 420 euro+ 11.90 in tip means 21 .90 per hour this weekend. good weekends work for most. as explained it made perfect business sense to do what they did in regards dealers. unfortunate but thats business.oh and dealers tips like anyother business tips are not accounted for in day to day dealings. there normal 10 per hour would have to be. dapper u silly monkey.madsl go back to school. adodea sorry but thats just life thats why there the employers and were the employies.

Actually forecasting accurate participation numbers, and arranging for a suitable amount of dealer is business. Having two many dealers each day is bad planning, and counter productive in the long term as dealers will become less and less prepared to work for PE.

stephenoleary

pppspecial wrote:

madsl go back to school.

pppspecial wrote:

adodea sorry but thats just life thats why there the employers and were the employies.

Pot. Kettle.....:D

Hitman Actual

pppspecial wrote:

ohh and as for mike lacey. great guy great tourny director unfortunatly needs a few tips on how to play poker though.

Wow, maybe when you have a high finish in an EPT event people might take your word for it.

careca

I dealt for Mike in one of his GJP tounies (he was stuck) and Stephen asked me was I interested in dealing any PE tournies. I said grand and got a phone call last week to tell me "there is as much work as you want this weekend". So I said fine, I'd try and earn a few quid at poker rather than lose a few quid. After two hours on Thurs evening I was told there were too many dealers and sent home. At the time I was fairly steaming (as Muso will testify). Couple of things to point out.

1) Steven was very courteous at all times
2) The events themselves look very well run and I will play some of them in the future
3) The 'dealer pep talk' prior to the event was condescending and childish
4) It would be very easy to explain to dealers that while there may be tons of work, the opposite (as happened) could also occur.
5) Very unfair on dealers to be asked to pick glasses or get drinks.

All in all, I would give the benefit of the doubt here and just say that there are lessons to be learned by PE, but I'm sure they will take them on board.

5starpool

lenny_leonard wrote:

Wow, maybe when you have a high finish in an EPT event people might take your word for it.

I am guessing your sarcasmometer has malfunctioned in the warm weather.

Either that or I was just assuming there was some where there was none.

ianmc38

I'm with you 5star. My sarcasometer was through the roof from pppspecials post.

Edit: PPPSpecial is that your username on Tribeca?

Norwich Fan Rob

in fairness to dave (mr ppp), he has some good results, but since when does he work for PE
and i dont think he would argue that mike is a good player, except in jest.
good to see u posting here mr ppp, should add some interesting debate if nothing else.

Hitman Actual

5starpool wrote:

I am guessing your sarcasmometer has malfunctioned in the warm weather.

LOL, yeah thats very possible, but the post is hard enough to make out anyway without looking for sarcasm!

Culchie

5starpool wrote:

I am guessing your sarcasmometer has malfunctioned in the warm weather.

Either that or I was just assuming there was some where there was none.

I'm afraid my sarcasmometer must be on the blink as well, because I didn't think pppretard was that funny, or true for that matter.

5starpool

Culchie wrote:

I'm afraid my sarcasmometer must be on the blink as well, because I didn't think pppretard was that funny, or true for that matter.

so you don't think Mike is a nice guy or a good TD? I am disappointed in you Mick.

biteme

Just want to back up what most of the dealers have being saying about PE. I dealt for them once when they started off in the Red Cow and after that said i'd never do it again.... doesn't look like their attitude has changed much and I've heard way too much about dealers not getting tourny tips or not getting their fair share.

karlh

pppspecial does not work for paddy power poker or represent the views of the company or its employees

califano

karlh wrote:

pppspecial does not work for paddy power poker or represent the views of the company or its employees

He gets very verbal on the online tables when his bluffs get called too!

"A bad player cant fold that hand"
"I should have known better"
-Drogheda ppp qualifier-

hehe!


btw
This is a mad thread:D !

smurph

pppspecial wrote:

there normal pay would be 10 an hour so 42hrs would be 420 euro+ 11.90 in tip means 21 .90 per hour this weekend. good weekends work for most. as explained it made perfect business sense to do what they did in regards dealers. unfortunate but thats business.oh and dealers tips like anyother business tips are not accounted for in day to day dealings. there normal 10 per hour would have to be. dapper u silly monkey.madsl go back to school. adodea sorry but thats just life thats why there the employers and were the employies.

IF you are such good employies, you should learn to spell properly, treat your staff with manners, a little thank you goes a long way.

Culchie

5starpool wrote:

so you don't think Mike is a nice guy or a good TD? I am disappointed in you Mick.

I think you got your lines all mixed up.

Mike is a very nice guy, a great TD and an even better player (IMO).

It was Mr 'Very Special' I was referring to.

JTheViper

pppspecial wrote:

first things first. numbers. fintain did his best for this event working his team up and down the country running tournaments and bringing people into poker and this must not be forgotten so he has been a very busy bunny for the last 6 months. second. the charity gig was run by luke not by poker events they simply gave a hand in the running off the whole operation which again they didnt have to do. regarding tips i was talking to dealers who worked this weekend and let me tell ya thery were the only 1s who made money this weekend making a weeks wage in tips tax free in 3 days.500+. com on guys. oh i happened to be there all weekend and if u really must know fintain didnt get the numbers for the tournaments because boyles did very little promoting for the tournament it was all done by PE. think irish open run by paddy power.....nope run by the merrion club. paddy powers did get there fingers out and push there tourny so dealers if ur up set the only people to point the finger at is boyles for not getting enough work.

excellent job guys well done in what u achived again this weekend. all those pros that turned up cant be wrong to keep coming over.
well done fintain donal stephen and the rest off the team.

I have a few things that I would like to speak about but too many to quote.

If I am wrong about you then I apologise but it sounds to me like you were a player in a few of the events? Players were treated really well for the whole event, the dealers were not at all. Fact!

Yesterday at the €300, on the food break dealers were told to stay at tables till punters had got their food. When the dealers were told you can eat now, Guess what, all hot food finished by punters and stale sambos left for the staff.

With regard to your comment about pro's coming over. I overheard a conversation from the pro's about why some had come over and there was a good turn out from them. Why? They heard that there was a bigish buyin tourney in dublin where a very good portion of the field had qualified for through live satalites and were complete fish! People qualifing for 65 - 300 euro and they could not pass up that offer!

There should have been a min call out fee. A friend of mine was sent home after 1 hr and 45 mins and they didn't even give him the €20, They had a €20 note and asked if he had €2.50. He didn't, "well you showed up a bit late, here is €15."

This event is PEs challenge to the Irish Open. Would any of this happen at the irish open?

Dealers prize: Fintan said that he would be taking €1000 out of his own pocket to have a comp for the dealers ( not too confident that this will even happen). Most helpful etc. The people who got loads of work will win this = Galway dealers who were put up in the hotel and favoured and didn't complain about being shafted. Dealers who have more responsibility because they helped bring tables down and took things to and from the vans and organised chips ect will win, not the ones who showed up and dealt the tourneys politely and courtiously and kept a smile on there face like fintan said. I will be shocked if anyone from dublin even finds out who won the prizes.

Tips as far as I am aware are worked out by no of hours worked/ total tips. Which will favour the Galway dealers again as the got the most work.

I heard the tips from the last big event or the one previous maybe were pooled and then played for in a dealer freeroll but they stopped as this was by no means fair.

Single tables were given to a good few dealers but any over €100 were not given to anyone but the very regular and senior dealers who were also not told to go home because they have more experience.

Finally, If the numbers that were expected were not achieved Then it is a problem between fintan and Boyle. He/PE/Boyle should take the hit for f***ing up and pay the dealers anyway for the amount of hours promised.

Good luck Pokerevents, Clearly you'll need it.

Hawk Eye

Also some of these dealers need to brush up on the rules,e.g small blind is eliminated, player comes into the vacant seat and misses a hand???
There was this particular dealer out in citywest and he just refused to move the button after each hand. So he would ship the pot to whoever, then shuffle the cards and then he would ask the players where the button was:)
. This got a little bit annoying after 15 or so hands.
Its like PE recruited any student type that can do the riffle shuffle and that was the only prerequisite.
Most of them did a great job but there was a few eyebrows raised at the tables by some well known "pros".

pppspecial

hi rob ty. im just sick off PE getting stick when all they have done is do good for poker in ireland. mike lacey is an excellent player who i think will do well in the future both on and off the tables. his tournys ive been two every1 off them bar 1 and all i can say is excellent job.250 freezeouts. lenny im full time and have made 2 final tables this year in ranking events.irish open jan 061k entry and austrian open bregenz2k entry ive also travelled for the last 6 months playing poker full time so before u open ur trap door mate find out who your talking 2.

cardshark202

Why can't people type in english please? Enough of the text talk.

pppspecial

im a full time player and work for nobody bar myself in to clear up any confussion here.

Gholimoli

pppspecial wrote:

ohh and as for mike lacey. great guy great tourny director unfortunatly needs a few tips on how to play poker though. GJP 250 freezeouts well worth traveling for.the craic is mighty.

Now unless there is some sort of internal joke between Mike and your self I think this was a very rude post from big headed knob who has ***ck all personality and there are plenty of much better players on this form that are humble enough not to make silly posts like this.
Now im not saying you’re the person I described ,for all I know that post could be related to some kinda inside joke between you and Mike.

5starpool

Culchie wrote:

I think you got your lines all mixed up.

Mike is a very nice guy, a great TD and an even better player (IMO).

It was Mr 'Very Special' I was referring to.

I give up. I never thought I could be too subtle, but obviously I am. From now on black is black and a spade is a spade. I will assume sarco detectors are all offline.

ianmc38

:rolleyes:

cardshark202

Gholimoli wrote:

Now unless there is some sort of internal joke between Mike and your self I think this was a very rude post from big headed knob who has ***ck all personality and there are plenty of much better players on this form that are humble enough not to make silly posts like this.
Now im not saying you’re the person I described ,for all I know that post could be related to some kinda inside joke between you and Mike.

I think 'pppspcl' was joking about Mike being a poor player.

Culchie

5starpool wrote:

I give up. I never thought I could be too subtle, but obviously I am. From now on black is black and a spade is a spade. I will assume sarco detectors are all offline.

Yeh, you're not sharpest tool in the box Dom. Hard luck.


Now where are them bloody sarco thingmajigs

pppspecial

i have travelled with mike and have a lot off respect for him. it was said as a joke gholm between myself and mike lacey. any1 who knows him or I knows it was in jest.

5starpool

JTheViper wrote:

IDealers prize: Fintan said that he would be taking €1000 out of his own pocket to have a comp for the dealers

If this is the case then I retract the comment I made above, as long as this wasn't from the tips pool.

5starpool

Culchie wrote:

Yeh, you're not sharpest tool in the box Dom. Hard luck.


Now where are them bloody sarco thingmajigs

bah!!!