Weight loss capsules

FX Meister

Mate of mine just told me about these weight loss capsules he's taking. They are called Stack and contain Ephedra Sinica, Guarana, White Willow Bark and Chromium Picolinate. The idea behind them is that they make you sweat more when you are doing cardio. He says the sweat part does actually happen. I'm just curious if anyone wlse has taken these before and if they work. Are there side effects or downsides to them. I wouldn't be into them myself but I'm just curious.

Boru.

Ephedra is the active component of the pills and yes you will lose weioght rapidly. The down side is I know of at least two people who have died as a result of Ephedra Stacks, in partuicular those mixed with Caffine.

Ephedra works be speeding up the heart rate, which causes an increase in thermogenesis and metabolism. Unfortuantely the heart is so stressed by this process that in can lead to a myocardial infraction or heart failure. Taking Epheda can KILL YOU!

As such the FDA, has BANNED Ephedra becvasue it has lead to so many deaths.
I personally consider death to be a rather sever side effect.

Get you friend off it, flush it down the toilet and report the people who sold it to him.

It does work, in fact it works so well many companies and supplement manufactureers are releasing Ephedra "like" substances. These are all bull.

Weight loss pills are a cheap and patehtic way to lose weight - designed to steal the money of the individual and offerign absolutely no benefit other than at best a short amount of weight loss, that overall reduces muscle tissue and leaves you in a worse state with more fat than in the beginning.

It just so happens Ephedra also kills.

If you want to lose weight its very easy and best of all its free! Take in less calories than you burn. But not so little as to starve yourself and horde fat. EAT LESS DO MORE - very simple but it involves honest work, hard work and discipline. If thats a problem and people don't have enough respect for themselves and thier bodies that they can't make the effort than perhaps they should be taking drugs that will utimtely kill them.

I apologize for being harsh but I have seen people emaciated and destroyed becasue of these products.

It just drives me nuts that so many people don't take responsability for themselves and their physical condition. They blame everything else and take some "magic pill" that will actually speed up their heart to critically dangerous levels yet won't do ten miuntes more exercise and put down that chocolate bar or leave the Fizzy drinks alone.

While we're at it why don't we just take cocaine and heoroin - both proven drugs that result in weight loss. The problem is people would actually by it - "Coke, for weight loss its the real thing...endorsed by celebrity models around the world".

Sorry FX Meister, this isn;'t directed at you, but so many peopel read boards like this but don;t ask questions adn they NEED to understand more than anyone. At least you have the sensebility to ask. I know two peolpe who are dead becasue they didn't. If you want to lose weight Pm your detaisl and your friends - I'll design a meal plan for you free of charge - on condition - NO MORE Ephedra!

zAbbo

Taking ECA is similar to taking speed

A mix of thermogenic qualities, apetite suppression and incrased heart rate(pump)

Better to do it with good old diet and hard work, unless you know what you're at.

In fairness Boru, Ephedra kills if you overdose.

Dragan

Boru. wrote:

The down side is I know of at least two people who have died as a result of Ephedra Stacks.......Taking Epheda can KILL YOU! ....the FDA, has BANNED Ephedra becvasue it has lead to so many deaths........It just so happens Ephedra also kills..............I apologize for being harsh but I have seen people emaciated and destroyed becasue of these products.While we're at it why don't we just take cocaine and heoroin - both proven drugs that result in weight loss.........I'll design a meal plan for you free of charge - on condition - NO MORE Ephedra!

Now Boru, sometimes you seem like a nice guy and sometimes you seem a little crazy. This would be one of those times.

Firstly, there is a difference between ephaedrine and ephedra, i think this a pretty important distinction that you have failed to make.

Secondly, the way you put it across Eph seems to be dropping people all over the place. Funnily enough this just is not true. Indeed, EPh can be dangerous when abused but so can every thing else my friend.

Now then, i agree with you that things like this are not strictly needed to lose weight, but products like can help some people who go genuinely need the help.

Safe use of Eph on the other hand can lead to great things for people.

In short, i can see where your coming from, but you need to stop scaremongering, there are two sides to every story...people get killed from Eph from abusing it, or taking it without looking into it properly. It's really that simple.

:rolleyes:

yomchi

Agreed Dragan.

You just need to be careful where your getting it from, sometimes it's mixed with aspirin and caffeine and this is where it can cause heart problems etc.

rob1891

Jon wrote:

Agreed Dragan.

You just need to be careful where your getting it from, sometimes it's mixed with aspirin and caffeine and this is where it can cause heart problems etc.

That's the ECA zabbo refered to, ephedrine, caffiene & aspirin. Someone on boards had a go of this, don't remember who. Said he when crazy as I recall, sounded fun, but not as fun as coke ;-)

LAAngel

My advice is don't touch Eph or anything like it I was taking them (bought them in a gym and was told they were safe and legal) funny enough when I started throwing up blood I realised they aren't safe. They erroded my stomach lining and bled into my bowel very painful I'm still on medication for them. Now I stick to Exercise and healthy eating.

BTW they do leave you jittery as hell and they're also addictive if on them too long although people have had heart attacks taking them (only found out after I was took into A&E cause of them). They are now banned altogether and after you stop taking them you'll end up heavier than what you started.

FX Meister

Wow, some pretty extreme results from them. I'm a believer in proper excercise and diet myself. That's why when I heard about them I said I'd ask other people's opinions on the stuff as I had never really heard of this stuff. It's easy to be skeptical about a product like this, I can't see it being that easy. My friend that told me about them has made changes to his diet and excercise but I guess something like this seems like a good ideaas it seems to speed up the weight loss process. He gave me two of the capsules to try out but I wasn't so sure about them. The only cardio I do is a ten mile run three times a week and I was worried it wouldn't be good for me. I also thought that the stuff might just help you lose weight ina short term way, like for jockeys or boxers dropping weight fast for a weigh in or something.

Boru.

Dragan thats not fair ;-) you've been reading my non fitness realted posts...thats a totally different thing, okay not really. Besides who said you can't be nice and crazy. Reading it back though, it was very extreme.

The Ephedra issue is one I feel very strongly about. There have been 155 confirmed Ephedra related deaths - two of which I knew personally. There have been hundreds more possible related. Substances such as Ephedra have done a great deal of damage - none of which is indispute here. Few realise this but when I'm not giving out fitness advice and advocating self defence courses that I'm a practicng acupuncturist and TCM practioner. Ephedra has also damaged the credibiltiy of the TCM profession. Several traditional remedies, no longer prescribed, inculded Ephedra.

In my daily work both as a fitness instructor and TCM practioner I see the results of people ignoring or worse yet blantantly disregarding warnings and choosing the easy way out, rather then the effective way out.

Cigarette packets clearly state that smoking kills. Originally it was more politely put as Smoking can Damage your health. The fact is a large majority of people will not respond to anything unless it is dramatically and in some cases extremely stated. As I said many people will read this board and never post, many jusy glaze over the same stuf again and again - perhaps that why we seem to be continualy asked the same questions.

Yes my post was extreme and maybe a little crazy, and the truth is I am still too emotional to be rational on this issue. But it doesn't change the facts - Ephedra kills. It killed 155 people. Now that doesn't seem like a lot to many. I mean common, that hundreds, thousands more people are killed every day through all sorts of things and 155 well, thats not huge. I think it is and I am very angry about it. And what of those who didn't die, the large majority, granted look at what hapens to them. LaAngel provided us with his own experience - and has suffered as a result of a lack of inormation and facts. On that note, zabbo, you are correct you can die if you od, you can die if you don't. As I mentioned if you have a pre-existing or undiagnosied heart condition, etc it can also kill you.

I wouldn't clasify my views or opinions on this subject as scaremongering, I would say they are "passionate". That said we are all on the same side here, and I think between us all, a balanced view can be reached. My occasional extremisim tempered with your down to earth apporach, and we'll be fine. I can be Batman, you can be the Flash.

Boru.

Dragan thats not fair you've been reading my non fitness realted posts...thats a totally different thing, okay not really. Besides who said you can't be nice and crazy. Reading it back though, it was very extreme.

The Ephedra issue is one I feel very strongly about. There have been 155 confirmed Ephedra related deaths - two of which I knew personally. There have been hundreds more possible related. Substances such as Ephedra have done a great deal of damage - none of which is indispute here. Few realise this but when I'm not giving out fitness advice and advocating self defence courses that I'm a practicng acupuncturist and TCM practioner. Ephedra has also damaged the credibiltiy of the TCM profession. Several traditional remedies, no longer prescribed, inculded Ephedra.

In my daily work both as a fitness instructor and TCM practioner I see the results of people ignoring or worse yet blantantly disregarding warnings and choosing the easy way out, rather then the effective way out.

Cigarette packets clearly state that smoking kills. Originally it was more politely put as Smoking can Damage your health. The fact is a large majority of people will not respond to anything unless it is dramatically and in some cases extremely stated. As I said many people will read this board and never post, many jusy glaze over the same stuf again and again - perhaps that why we seem to be continualy asked the same questions.

Yes my post was extreme and maybe a little crazy, and the truth is I am still too emotional to be rational on this issue. But it doesn't change the facts - Ephedra kills. It killed 155 people. Now that doesn't seem like a lot to many. I mean common, that hundreds, thousands more people are killed every day through all sorts of things and 155 well, thats not huge. I think it is and I am very angry about it. And what of those who didn't die, the large majority, granted look at what hapens to them. LaAngel provided us with his own experience - and has suffered as a result of a lack of inormation and facts. On that note, zabbo, you are correct you can die if you od, you can die if you don't. As I mentioned if you have a pre-existing or undiagnosied heart condition, etc it can also kill you.

I wouldn't clasify my views or opinions on this subject as scaremongering, I would say they are "passionate". That said we are all on the same side here, and I think between us all, a balanced view can be reached. My occasional extremisim tempered with your down to earth apporach, and we'll be fine. I can be Batman, you can be the Flash.

The following resources may be helpful for those wanting to learn more...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4721505/
This is an excellent article http://www.philkaplan.com/thefitnesstruth/ephedrine.htm
http://www.ephedrine-news.com/
http://www.onlinelawyersource.com/news/ephedra.html
http://www.ephedrine-side-effects-attorney.com/

t-ha

Ephedra can be used to burn fat, and I believe in the majority of cases it can be done safely. It is not by any means a compound to be taken lightly of course, and having people buying it without proper guidance on how to use it or if they should use it, is not ideal. Ideally, your GP should be made aware if you plan on taking it so they can assess your risk (age/blood-pressure/etc.), the dosage guidelines should be adhered to, and other common sense precautions taken. I personally don't think it should be used as a stimulant for sports training in a competitive environment, as the individuals involved would probably be more likely to push themselves to the limit anyway.

Like it or not the use of ECA stacks is quite widespread - yet there are few cases of deaths linked to it, and AFAIK still no proven cases where ephedra use definitively caused death. Even in the link that Boru posted 'www.ephedrine-news.com', I could not find any info on proven cases. Usually, it is linked via someone over-exerting themselves (in the heat generally, the death of Steve Bechler was one of the big points in turning opinions against ephedra, but read more about the case in the ny times here, and you'll see that it may not be entirely fair to blame ephedra for his death) or someone with a pre-existing risk that should never have been on it.

When compounds are taken freely by the public (as ephedra was, and, for example, aspirin is), unfortunately there will always be those who react adversely to it, who use it incorrectly or who just happen to fall ill/die while taking them. Is that reason enough to stop anyone else benefiting from their positive effects. Before you say that losing a bit of chub is not enough of a benefit to counter that risk, keep in mind that people take more than the recommended amount of paracetomol to 'cure' hangovers. Being overweight carries it's own health risks with it, and I don't see why an option for fighting that, which has actually been shown to work, should be the object of so much bad attention.

@Boru, I'm sorry if it seems insensitive to talk about ephedra links to deaths being unproven, given that you say you know two individuals personally, but they come with proper dosing guidelines, a list of possible conditions under which they should not be taken (incl. elevated blood pressure and so on), and a list of symptoms which if noticed indicate that use is to be discontinued (irregular heart-beat/dizziness etc.). Can you honestly say that these individuals took all of the above seriously and abided by those guidelines while they were taking ephedra? Was there a definite link, or did they just die while they happened to be taking it?

BTW, this may seem odd, given what I wrote above, but keep in mind that that is my response to the argument that ephedra is highly dangerous and kills people who take it. On a more subtle level I think it is a bad idea to take this stuff - it's known to make people jittery & unable to focus. Users often talk too quickly etc. It mightened look the best if your at a big meeting, for example, and you basically have the appearance of some-one on speed. It also does raise body temperature and heart-rate, and for that reason I don't think anyone should be on it long-term. Given that, and given that it has the potential to mask problems with people's nutrition, in the same way as steroids can mask problems with people's weights routines, people may not be in a position to stay lean when they eventually come off of it - or worse may just choose to stay on it! From talking with people on avantlabs who have used ECA for extended periods, apparently it doesn't do your mental health any huge favours.

For these reasons I'm not a particular fan of this approach to weight-loss, but I do not agree that it will kill you or cause you serious harm if you take it properly, and it really pisses me off when the media/general public/etc. go off on a moral panic over stuff like this.

Dog Chaser

Hey guys,

I'm the one taking it that FX meister spoke of. I've just added it to my daily routine (30 mins treadmill run + full body circuit of weights, first thing in the morning), and I only started with the Stack on Tuesday. I'm only taking one capsule 20 mins before my workout, and I'll be taking it on a 1-week-on/1-week-off cycle.

I believe the people that Boru spoke of took excessive amounts of the supplement and on a constant basis. Excessive use of anything, drink, drugs etc, will cause and lead to serious side effects. What I'm taking is the bare minimum and I won't be taking it all the time. Keep in mind, that I'm taking it in additon to proper diet and training. The people mentioned in the posts above more then likely only took the tablets in excessive amounts and never trained.


But I have to say - yesterday (only my 2nd day on it) after my 30 min run, I wasn't even out of breath, which is a strange one alright. I just stood there a bit perplexed, as I usually take 2 or 3 mins to recover before I start my weights.

Dog Chaser

I've just discussed it with my friend, who is a pharmacist, and I'm gonna stop taking them.

LAAngel

Hi Dog Chaser, good idea if your training properly you don't need them. My Future brother in law haha is a doctor of medicine and when I told him that I had took them he went mad and started telling me the dangers (I was already off them at this stage). I do believe that people abuse them, they dont train or eat right (even heard of people taking them to get a buzz!maddness), but I personnally do train for an hour 5 times a week and do 150 sit ups and 100 press up a day. Looking back I only wanted something to help me shift that subborn 3lb cause at 5ft 5 I weighed about 9 and a half stone. I went to the gym asking about another fat burner and they told me that the fat burner they had was better (eph) I asked questions about them was told to take them as much as I like although because of my build not more than two at a time I was told they were safe and lots of people take it. When I got them they had no labels on them, I even phoned back to MAKE SURE they were safe and legal and was assured they were.

My friend started taking them eventhough shes under 9stone and I have personnally went through her for a short cut, cause I am at endless hospital appointments and still on medications cause of them. Can't even take asprin anymore. I told her cut out the takeaways and you'll be ok (Which I think she is anyway) but I do agree with you's that people don't listen. Always looking for an easy way out.

Dragan

LAAngel wrote:

I went to the gym asking about another fat burner and they told me that the fat burner they had was better (eph) I asked questions about them was told to take them as much as I like although because of my build not more than two at a time I was told they were safe and lots of people take it. When I got them they had no labels on them, I even phoned back to MAKE SURE they were safe and legal and was assured they were.

Hey Angel,

sorry to hear about all that!! Jesus but you had a rough time of it alright!!! You do need to be wary of anything that does not have a label and obvious manufacturer, no matter what it is!!!! To be honest this could have been anything, or a homemade ECA stack of some kind!!!

Even legal non EPH thermogenics will have a minimum dose, so to be told to take something " as much as you like" is crazy!!!!

yomchi

I was once given one of them labeless tubs of yellow tabs, there great for energy I was told. I took one and ended up shaking uncontrollably, my heart nearly pumped through my chest. I asked a friend in the know about them, turned out it was ECA stack, homemade!
I was very sick after it. Not recommended at all IMO

t-ha

My good god! How many of you out there having been popping pills from labeless tubs from 'some guy in the gym'?! No offence Jon (seriously no offence, I've read and have respect for your posts, etc.), but when people die under those circumstances I would consider that to be cleaning up the gene pool...

...you missed out on a Darwin Award there buddy!

p.s. seriously, no offence intended, just some black humour.

yomchi

t-ha wrote:

My good god! How many of you out there having been popping pills from labeless tubs from 'some guy in the gym'?! No offence Jon (seriously no offence, I've read and have respect for your posts, etc.), but when people die under those circumstances I would consider that to be cleaning up the gene pool...

...you missed out on a Darwin Award there buddy!

p.s. seriously, no offence intended, just some black humour.

LOL.. I know where your coming from, TBH it was back when I was starting out at the gym and wanted to be arnie over night. Energy tablets is all I thought they were, thankfully I only took one.

Live and learn hey!

woody

I have personally used EPH for cutting fat but I found several not bad for strange effects...

1.) I had a hightened sense was very aware of my surroundings

2.) I sometimes had very eurphoric episodes after taking it.

3.) I did loose considerable weight but you have to mix it with cardio...

4.) I every once in a while exceeded the dose but made the safe effect as taking the normal..

I would personally say stay clear as it can also make you vomit as it did me...

I would recommend you do a high cardio routine and also high protein diet and cut out all processed foods and alcohol entirely which I am currently doing and you will see the results

EPO_MAN

Taking Lipo 6 (www.bodybuilding.com) at the moment and no side effects - safe and cut like a mad man at the moment. when I running I can feel the sweat pumping out of me....kinda euphoric feeling....there is yohimbe in them too and desire for sex has gone through the roof (handy or not handy sometimes)

I have never tried anything this potent fat burner wise.

Mickk

Yea our best selling fat loss pill in the shop is Lipo-6. It has caffeine in it so if you don't drink coffee be careful it will be a bit of a shock to the system but over all a good strong product, safe aswell.

Dr4gul4

any body know the average price for Lipo-6 in the shops in dublin and which shops might stock it ?

because_I_can

what about tnations hotrox. what do yuo all think of that?

Mickk

We are on camden st beside flannerys pub and its 49.99 for 120 caps.

Dr4gul4 wrote:

any body know the average price for Lipo-6 in the shops in dublin and which shops might stock it ?

Dr4gul4

Mickk wrote:

We are on camden st beside flannerys pub and its 49.99 for 120 caps.

Fair play c ya on thursday so

EdgarAllenPoo

Dr4gul4 wrote:

Fair play c ya on thursday so

Not trying to do Mickk out of business but you can buy that stuff directly off the site for €41(including fast postage,2-5 days) or regular post for €28.54(7-14 day delivery).