[PR] Customers warned of possible disruption to Cork services from Monday 15 May

Victor

http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/news.asp?action=view&news_id=84

Customers warned of possible disruption to Cork services from Monday due to unofficial action by Corporate Communications

Iarnród Éireann has warned customers on Cork-Dublin and Cork-Tralee routes of possible disruption to services from Monday due to threatened unofficial action by Cork-based train drivers.

Iarnród Éireann had proposed bringing the first of the new €117 million order of Intercity trains into service for in-service trials on the Cork-Dublin route from this coming Monday 15th May.

Drivers had submitted a claim in September 2005 for additional pay and reduced working hours on the basis of a number of issues, namely:

- to agree to operate the new fleet of Intercity trains

- new safety standard provisions covering driver standard monitoring

- new training processes for new drivers, specifically the inclusion of ‘leader driver’ provisions, whereby existing drivers would continue to coach new trainees, but in a more structured manner

This claim was processed through the state’s industrial relations machinery, from October 2005 to January 2006. On 19th January 2006, the Labour Court in Labour Court recommendation 18456 supported the company’s position that payment for the operation of new technology including new fleet had been included in the New Deal for Locomotive Drivers implemented in 2000, and that there were no grounds for additional payment to drivers for driving the new trains.

The Labour Court did recommend that the company and trade unions commence discussions on the remaining separate issues utilising outside expertise. This process was initiated through an agreed working party, with an independent facilitator to adjudicate on these issues, and has now reached an advanced stage with the facilitator reporting last Monday.

As a result, on Wednesday, the company wrote to drivers union representatives in SIPTU and NBRU stating that Iarnród Éireann was positively disposed to dealing with drivers aspirations in the areas of driver monitoring provisions and ‘leader driver’ roles.

The company accepted there was measurable value to the changes being proposed, and that subject to simultaneously addressing productivity issues, proposed that an agreed, defined and speedy timescale should be put in place to fully address all issues, to address company and driver aspirations, while staying within the provisions of the Sustaining Progress national partnership agreement.

Regrettably, at this late stage, and despite the fact that further meetings will take place on these issues on Tuesday and Thursday of next week, drivers based in Cork have indicated that they will now refuse to cooperate with the introduction into service of the new fleet from this Monday.

In so doing, Cork-based drivers are attempting to use a matter that the Labour Court has definitively ruled on in January, and use service improvements to customers, as leverage to secure concessions on completely separate issues.

This is all the more unacceptable given the company’s commitment to progress these issues substantively.

Iarnród Éireann has called on Cork-based drivers and our trade unions to ensure that our customers, who are eagerly awaiting improvement to services from the new fleet, are not held to ransom in this manner.

Should drivers engage in this unofficial action, the company is alerting customers that there is potential for disruption to services from Monday 15th May on Cork-Dublin and Cork-Tralee services.

Customers should consult this website for further information as it becomes available.

Iarnród Éireann apologises to customers for the uncertainty caused.

DerekP11

Platform 11 has been aware of serious industrial relations problems regarding these new trains. We issued a press release(viewable on the web site) a few weeks ago in relation to the "train guard" problem which has delayed the introduction of this new stock to service.
IE denied any union problems in the media's resultant follow up. They have attempted to cover up the obvious human resources problem within the company, in relation to these new trains. Earlier this week I took a call from the Cork Independent, who claimed that one of the new trains, stabled in Cork could not be moved because of union unrest.
Today we can see for ourselves, that union problems are continuing to prevent the full introduction of the new trains. Platform 11 expects IE to be truthful and honest to their customers. However this is a clear cut example of how dishonest they have been with customers and the media.

Platform 11, in the interest of rail customers, has been vindicated, by this latest news.

MarkoP11

On the upside the new train set will go into service like it or not on Monday

It will operate the
9:00 Dublin Cork
13:30 Cork Dublin

Both rostered for the same Dublin driver and train staff

The strike in Cork has nothing to do with the new trains as the issues under discussion apply to all trains and all drivers. Seems to be serious problem in Cork a significantly higher than anywhere elsewhere level of trouble making and disruption. You risk your job for illegal industrial action, they know they can't win a strike ballot they are like children who can't get there way

The guards issue which was to be fair a legitimate issue was closed a few weeks back, pity it took several months

MarkoP11

Its gone nuts

Everything out of Cork is cancelled, all Dublin based services on Cork mainline cancelled inclunding 7am ex Dublin, 7:30 ex Newbridge and 7:41 ex Port Laois

No details on IE site

zap

everything in and out of heuston is cancelled

civdef

Friggin' fantastic. Gettin home this evening will be some laugh. The very least the feckers could have done was to strike first thing this morning, getting me a day off work instead of being stranded.

zap

2 cork drivers refused to operate the new trains so IE told them they wouldn't be paid until they do so, so other drivers walked out in support.

KC61

To correct the post made by Marko above, the 9am service ex-Heuston IS driven by a Cork driver - it is driven by the driver off the 0530 Cork-Heuston.

Hence the relevance of Cork drivers refusing to operate the trains.

We are now in the situation where there are no winners and one loser - as usual - the customer. Let's hope this is resolved asap as this is in nobody's interest.

Red Alert

I could have forseen a strike about this when I first saw the new trains :eek:

It's baffling how CIE didn't and thought they could magically appear this morning.

In the interest of the customers, CIE should have backed down and got a Mk2, Mk3 or Commuter DMU to do the service. A train service (as opposed to none at all) is more important than a PR-stunt new train.

civdef

Summary of Events?

IE: Here's some nice shiny new trains to replace the old yokes.
Drivers: Grand, we want more money to drive them.
IE: No, lets go to the Labour Court.
Labour Court: Driving trains is a train driver's job, no extra money.
Drivers: Still not driving it.
IE: Drive the train or don't get paid.
Drivers: Strike.

Is that about it?

Töpher

Now how'm I gonna get to the football?!

Not as serious as the problems it'll give some people, so I can understand how angry anyone this is causing serious trouble to could get!

NavanJunction1

Unofficial action causes major disruption to trains
ireland.com, 15.05.2006

Unofficial industrial action by Irish Rail train drivers based in Cork and Dublin's Heuston Station has led to disruption of services around the country.

All services out of Cork's Kent station have been suspended, and there is only a limited inter-city service from Heuston, although there are no trains running to Cork. All Kildare suburban services have been suspended until further notice.

A number of drivers took the action this morning in protest at the introduction of a new fleet of intercity trains.

The 5.30am train from Cork to Heuston Station in Dublin was cancelled, as was the 5.45am service to Cobh, the 5.55am service to Tralee and the 7am service to Dublin. The 5.50am service to Tralee operated to Mallow only.

Services between Heuston and Portlaoise, Newbridge, Cork, Galway and Limerick have also been cancelled.

Drivers submitted a claim last September 2005 for increased pay and reduced working hours in return for driving the new trains because of a new safety regime and new training processes for new drivers.

The claim was rejected by the Labour Court in January who said the new working arrangements were allowed for in previous agreements.

Iarnród Éireann was due to begin trials today on €117 million worth of new trains aimed at improving the service on the Cork to Dublin route.

In a statement issued this morning Iarnród Éireann said: "Drivers are attempting to use a matter that the Labour Court has definitively ruled on in January, and use service improvements to customers, as leverage to secure concessions on completely separate issues. This is all the more unacceptable given the company's commitment to progress these issues substantively.

"The resolution of this dispute is in the hands of the drivers, who are currently taking this unofficial action and Iarnród Éireann has called on them to return to work and ensure that our customers are not further inconvenienced."

Rail users group Platform 11 criticised Iarnród Éireann for not addressing the industrial relations issuess sooner.

"Once again rail customers have been left in limbo and Platform 11 are most disappointed that knowing these problems existed

All services out of Cork's Kent station have been suspended, and there is only a limited inter-city service from Heuston, although there are no trains running to Cork. All Kildare suburban services have been suspended until further notice.

A number of drivers took the action this morning in protest at the introduction of a new fleet of intercity trains.

The 5.30am train from Cork to Heuston Station in Dublin was cancelled, as was the 5.45am service to Cobh, the 5.55am service to Tralee and the 7am service to Dublin. The 5.50am service to Tralee operated to Mallow only.

Services between Heuston and Portlaoise, Newbridge, Cork, Galway and Limerick have also been cancelled.

Drivers submitted a claim last September 2005 for increased pay and reduced working hours in return for driving the new trains because of a new safety regime and new training processes for new drivers.

The claim was rejected by the Labour Court in January who said the new working arrangements were allowed for in previous agreements.

Iarnród Éireann was due to begin trials today on €117 million worth of new trains aimed at improving the service on the Cork to Dublin route.

In a statement issued this morning Iarnród Éireann said: "Drivers are attempting to use a matter that the Labour Court has definitively ruled on in January, and use service improvements to customers, as leverage to secure concessions on completely separate issues. This is all the more unacceptable given the company's commitment to progress these issues substantively.

"The resolution of this dispute is in the hands of the drivers, who are currently taking this unofficial action and Iarnród Éireann has called on them to return to work and ensure that our customers are not further inconvenienced."

Rail users group Platform 11 criticised Iarnród Éireann for not addressing the industrial relations issuess sooner.

"Once again rail customers have been left in limbo and Platform 11 are most disappointed that knowing these problems existed Iarnród Éireann failed to keep the public informed and insisted of putting a train into service in the full knowledge that industrial relations problem exists," the group said in a statement.

Progressive Democrats Transport Spokesman Senator Tom Morrissey called on the drivers to return to the industrial relations process.

"An immediate solution must be found to the dispute which has resulted in the cancellation of trains without warning. Such an unofficial strike cannot be justified," he said.

"They must bear in mind that their action presents a serious inconvenience to commuters and, if it is allowed to escalate, will have a serious knock-on impact on the wider economy."

Further information is available from the Iarnród Éireann Information Line 1850-366222 or on the company's website.

© The Irish Times/ireland.com

clubcrown

NavanJunction1 wrote:

Unofficial action causes major disruption to trains
ireland.com, 15.05.2006

To add to the misery, the 8.17 coolmine - bray broke down in Broombridge this morning - they had to send something out from connolly to tow us in. So the maynooth line was totally messed up as well and probably will be for a few hours.

Monday mornings, gotta love them......

MarkoP11

Several trains did operate this morning, three trains arrived between 8:30 and 8:50 and where all full to the gills

No new trains where to be seen in Heuston,

8:24 Westport, 9:10 Galway and 9:30 Waterford operated on time. The 11am ish services to Galway and Waterford are also running

As I understand matters this dispute is using the new trains as a wedge to force change in the introduction of new safety standards brought on by the Rail Safety Act recently passed into law.

Several staff where standing around unable to work as drivers had not shown up

I still think the 9:00 Dublin Cork is a Dublin crew as there isn't enough time for a break for the driver of the 5:30 ex Cork which gets in normally after 8:30am, it no matter anyway now

Limerick, Inchicore and Cork are almost fully out, Connolly and Fairview are calm

End of the day the details are not important the fact you won't be able to get home is

NavanJunction1

At least you have a train to break down...:rolleyes::)

Chris_533976

**sigh**

Damn I'm glad to be moving to Germany soon. I guarantee they wouldnt stop the trains running over there for something so petty.

SeanW

I would REALLY love to see the CIE Branch Davidians on here explain THIS.

road_high

Yet more union lunacy in the semi states.
If this were a private company half of them would be sacked out of their 'cushy' jobs years ago!
Disgraceful behaviour.You'd imagine they would prefer to work in nice new trains rather than the 1960s style ones??But no. As usual this unions defy reasonable thinking or logic and make their travelling public suffer.

Champ

Bah, really needed to get into Dublin today from Limerick.
Doh should have gotten the 6.45 as all offical reports had it departed (arrived for the 7.50)... ah could be worse i guess as the way things are going i would have been stranded up there....
Nothing so critical that i couldn't reschedule but definetly an inconvenience:cool:

Okay i'm annoyed to say the least but maybe someone could give me a bit of perspective as to enlighten me on the strike?
Striking because your given new trains to drive??? Though the work remains the same doesn't it? I know they may have other grievances, but the reason publicly at large is just the new trains.... which really wouldn't inspire much support...

Transport21 Fan

SeanW wrote:

I would REALLY love to see the CIE Branch Davidians on here explain THIS.

I wondering the same thing!

Has anybody heard the sound of knuckles scraping along the ground yet?

civdef

Don't suppose there's any resolution of this on the horizon?

अधिनायक

The staff are clearly overworked and just can't take anymore. Maybe it's time we had a special day out for all underprivileged union staff. A special 'fun train' could be organised to take them off to a special place where they could be richly and appropriately rewarded for their years of loyalty and service to the Irish people.

lostinsuperfunk

AFAIK, it's an unofficial strike, no need for union bashing.

paulm17781

lostinsuperfunk wrote:

AFAIK, it's an unofficial strike, no need for union bashing.

So you are saying if the "people" striking got fired the union would be fine and realise it was their best interest or would there be an all out strike?

MarkoP11

Will the head of SIPTU and NBRU then offically condemn todays actions?

Will they tell there members to return to work particularly in Dublin to ensure everyone gets home? There where several rush hour arrivals this morning, if you live in Portloaise there is no train home tonight but there was one in this morning

Labour court ruled, union didn't like it and is now using a unrelated issue to cause an incredible level of suffering on the travelling public, its not on.

Champ

Don't suppose there's any resolution of this on the horizon?

Not if the latest news i just got is accurate.
Supposedly tomorrow a mediator will arrive to hopefully allow the two parties to work out their difference.

Going to put my Dublin trip on hold indefinetly:( .

The staff are clearly overworked and just can't take anymore. Maybe it's time we had a special day out for all underprivileged union staff. A special 'fun train' could be organised to take them off to a special place where they could be richly and appropriately rewarded for their years of loyalty and service to the Irish people.

A one way trip perhaps?:D
Seriously though they're not going about it the right way. By striking over the new trains they're alienating the public to say the least who would view the action in the worst as against the public interests (modernising the service never hurts), and in the best as greed. As far as i can tell the public more or less supports Ianrod Eireann against the unions, especially since the labour court ruled in favour of Ianrod Eireann.

Coming from a private sector employee more likely or not if any job conditions would force me to strike, i'd probably just pack up and leave gracefully. Keep my peace with as many people as possible.;)

DerekP11

Below is the Irish Examiner's coverage of Platform 11s original press release last month. You will note that IE deny that any form of industrial unrest was delaying the introduction of these trains. Today they admitted that it did and that they were aware of the situation brewing in Cork. The travelling public right across the network should have been warned of possible cancellations and to check before they attempted to travel.

As for the union members involved...don't get me started.



Tuesday, April 18, 2006 :

FRONT | IRELAND | SPORT | WORLD | BUSINESS

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Iarnród Éireann rejects staff row claims

By Eoin English
IARNRÓD ÉIREANN last night rejected claims that staff rows have delayed the introduction of a €117m fleet of carriages on the Cork-Dublin route. Platform 11, the rail passengers’ organisation, claimed the company’s plans to replace the role of train guards with the position of “train manager” on the 67 inter-city carriages has stalled the introduction of the carriages by almost six months.

They were delivered last July to be introduced into service by last December. But Platform 11 claimed that train guards are refusing to accept new work practices.

The bulk of the carriages, which have been undergoing testing since their delivery, are lying idle in Inchicore.

Platform 11 spokesman Derek Wheeler said: “Although coaches normally need to undergo testing before entering service, Platform 11 is aware of no safety issues which prevent their introduction.

“They are badly needed to ease overcrowding as well to finally removing the unreliable steam-heated 40-year-old carriages that are still being used on some services.”

Cork Fine Gael TD Bernard Allen said he was aware of a number of human resources difficulties delaying the introduction of the carriages.

He called on the company to resolve the situation.

“I was on the 3pm Dublin to Cork train last Wednesday. It was like the New Delhi express. It was grossly overcrowded, and in my view unsafe,” he said.

But Iarnród Eireann’s Barry Kenny rejected the claims. He said the first of the new carriages will be introduced next month.

“We are working through the union issues,” he said.

The carriages are going through the final phases of testing and commissioning and that process is also progressing well, he said.

“They were due to come into service this spring but the one difficulty we had was during the first train test when the train hit a cow.

“That knocked us out for a couple of months. But the first carriages will be rolling next month.”

The carriages will introduced incrementally and will deliver a total of 16,000 seats on the route. The journey time will be about two hours and 35 minutes.

But Platform 11 called for their immediate introduction.

Iarnród Éireann need to find an urgent solution so passengers can benefit from the first new inter-city carriages since 1984, Mr Wheeler said.

“Unions have a long history of resistance to improvements in service, from longer DART carriages to extension of services to Greystones and new trains on the Maynooth line.

“Equally as these carriages have been on order for years we do not see why Iarnród Éireann has not dealt with this issue at an earlier stage.”

I'll let readers make up their own minds on the trustworthiness of the rail operator.

Transport21 Fan

अधिनाय&#2325 wrote:

The staff are clearly overworked and just can't take anymore. Maybe it's time we had a special day out for all underprivileged union staff. A special 'fun train' could be organised to take them off to a special place where they could be richly and appropriately rewarded for their years of loyalty and service to the Irish people.

The dole office.

अधिनायक

I was thinking of Mosnia.

Red Alert

The 'steam heating' comment is nonsense - aren't the Cravens finished now for good?

I'm amazed why the carriages are in store at all, once the first set was known to perform they should have been introduced.

The train manager position is unnecessary. Even with the newer equipment can they still not do guard + inspector?

Transport21 Fan

lostinsuperfunk wrote:

AFAIK, it's an unofficial strike, no need for union bashing.

Tell that to the people who bought an "offical" train ticket were expecting an "official" train this morning.

I think we should also remind ourselves that the Luas ran as normal today and that the argument for the privatisation of CIE took a huge step forward in the last 18 hours.

Still no sign of the usual Al CIE-da types on this thread...

MarkoP11

The cravens coaches are still very much service, the Fridays only Heuston Tralee is a favorite still, they ran the 18:35 to Thurles sometime last week as well

Train manager style operation is common across the UK and Europe, in fact the bulk of IE trains are driver only, no guard no ticket checker, no train manager. You can have as many staff onboard as you like. The whole train manager idea is about improving customer service

jd

Transport21 Fan wrote:

Tell that to the people who were expecting an "official" train this morning.

I think we should also remind ourselves that the Luas ran as normal today and that the argument for the privatisation of CIE took a huge step forward in the last 18 hours.

But aren't Luas drivers unionised as well~? AFAIR they are member of SIPTU.

Transport21 Fan

Luas drivers have not been infected by the NBRU disease even though that shower have been hanging outside Luas depots trying to radicalise the Luas drivers and get them in the family.

The NBRU are desparately trying to destroy Luas as it shows the shower up in CIE for what they are.

jd

ah- so you don't really mind the beardie feckers in SIPTU

paulm17781

lostinsuperfunk wrote:

AFAIK, it's an unofficial strike, no need for union bashing.

I noticed that the NBRU are condoning the strike and the mediator is meeting with the union chiefs today. Nothing to do with the unions though. :rolleyes:

markf909

paulm17781 wrote:

I noticed that the NBRU are condoning the strike and the mediator is meeting with the union chiefs today. Nothing to do with the unions though.

We need a penalty imposed on the unions if any of their members take unilateral action. At least then it might serve to make the NBRU/SIPTU keep their members from taking 'unofficial' action.

jd

paulm17781 wrote:

I noticed that the NBRU are condoning the strike and the mediator is meeting with the union chiefs today. Nothing to do with the unions though. :rolleyes:

Paul- I haven't seen anything on the news , or in the newspapers, where the NBRU condone the strike,. Linkie please??

Both sided have behaved disgracefully. Management knew there would be disruption if the introduced the Mk IVs but didn't warn the general public of this. I guess it suits their purposes to discommode the general public too :rolleyes:

paulm17781

IrishExaminer.ie wrote:

Speaking in Cork on behalf of the drivers concerned, the National Bus and Railworkers’ Union’s Dermot O’Leary said there was little sign of anyone going back to work.

“Management forced this situation this morning. It’s frustrating in the extreme. We’ll be on duty in the morning and are prepared to drive the trains that have been here for years,” he said.

Link: http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=3546-qqqx=1.asp

Please don't say "Where does he condone it?". He most certainly does NOT condem it and makes out as though it is every one elses fault.

For the record I think IE management have behaved awfully on this. They're not the ones striking though.

NavanJunction1

Ireland.com, Last updated: 16-05-06, 09:18

Iarnród Éireann has warned of severe disruptions to rail services today as a result of continuing unofficial action by train drivers that left up to 35,000 passengers stranded yesterday.

The dispute is over the introduction by the company of a new high-tech train it had planned to bring into service on a trial basis yesterday.

Two Cork-based drivers refused to operate the new train and drivers based in Cork, Limerick and Dublin stopped work in support of their two colleagues.

Iarnród Éireann has warned that there will be no Intercity services to and from Cork, Galway, Mayo, Kerry and Limerick. There will be no Commuter services to and from Portlaoise and Kildare or on the Cork - Cobh commuter route, although some local Limerick services may operate.

There may be some services between Waterford and Dublin.

Dart services and commuter trains between Dublin, Dundalk and Drogheda, along with services to Maynooth, Sligo, Belfast, Gorey, Arklow and Rosslare, are expected to operate normally. Services to and from Connolly station in Dublin have not been affected.

Iarnród Éireann strongly urges intending passengers gers to check the Irish Rail website or ring the information line on 1850 366 222 in advance.

There were no indications last night that an early resolution to the dispute was likely, with the company insisting that it would not negotiate with staff engaged in unofficial action.

A spokeswoman for Iarnród Éireann told ireland.com that the dispute will affect 35,000 passengers per day and "due to the unofficial nature it is difficult to say if there is an end in sight." However she went on to say that senior trade union officials are meeting with drivers' representatives this morning.

Taoiseach Bertie Ahern said yesterday the action was "particularly disappointing" given the investment that had been made in improving facilities for customers on the Dublin-Cork route. He said there extensive mechanisms available through the labour relations machinery to sort out this type of issue without causing major inconvenience to the public.

Iarnród Éireann is seeking to introduce a new generation of trains, known as the "Mark Four", as part of a €117 million investment in its rolling stock. Siptu and the National Bus and Rail Union sought a pay increase of 5 per cent for drivers, and a reduction in working hours, in return for the introduction of the new trains as well as other work changes.

Meath Commuter rail lobby group Meath on Track has called for common-sense to prevail in the current rail strike caused by the introduction of new trains. They say that the last serious rail strike in 2000 resulted in the closure of Kingscourt railway line despite the fact the line had 106 year history of transport freight as Gypsum Industries changed to road transport.

Meath on Track spokesperson Proinsias Mac Fhearghusa said: "Meath and Cavan have seen first hand what prolonged industrial action can do to the viability of railways. We call on all parties involved to start talking and to resolve the dispute over the introduction of the new trains to avoid escalation of industrial action and to save public confidence in Ireland's rail transport system."

© The Irish Times/ireland.com

Red Alert

No but the managers took the travelling public for a ride (pardon the pun). Apart from those of us who find rolling stock interesting, the public at large wants a train. The nuances differentiating Mark 4 and Mark 3 mean little to most people. Therefore the management should first of all get the Mark3's on the rails again so that the general public have a train service which the taxpayer and the fare-paying customers are finanacially holding up.

They should have had the foresight to know they couldn't just pull the Mk4 out of a hat without thinking through the Industrial Relations issues. It points to serious foresight or a badly cavalier attitude right across IR's management spectrum.

markf909

They should have had the foresight to know they couldn't just pull the Mk4 out of a hat without thinking through the Industrial Relations issues

Its a train isnt it?
The loco is the same, the cab end has the same controls as the loco.
Call me slow, but what is the problem with the drivers just getting in and driving

MarkoP11

Labour court rejected the unions case on the new trains, they lost don't like it lacked the maturity to hold a formal strike ballot no grounds anyway really and are now behaving like a bunch of spoilt childern who just got told no for the first time

murphaph

popebenny16

No but the managers took the travelling public for a ride (pardon the pun). Apart from those of us who find rolling stock interesting, the public at large wants a train. The nuances differentiating Mark 4 and Mark 3 mean little to most people. Therefore the management should first of all get the Mark3's on the rails again so that the general public have a train service which the taxpayer and the fare-paying customers are finanacially holding up.

They should have had the foresight to know they couldn't just pull the Mk4 out of a hat without thinking through the Industrial Relations issues. It points to serious foresight or a badly cavalier attitude right across IR's management spectrum.

Oh I cant beleive this. Get the mark3's back on the rails? ONE mark 4 set, that's all, just one. Please explain to us how that means all of the other mark3 sets are not operating? As well as the mark2ds? And the commuter railcars, why arent they operating? You know, the drivers would be winning this hands down if they simply refused to operate the mark4 set, and operated all the other ones!!!

Red Alert

Well it'd be better than the current performance wouldn't it where there's No train?

The Mk4 introduction has triggerred all this mess, whatever was brewing already. There are customers who are seriously put out by all this; and the removal of the Mk4 temporairly would mean that passengers at least get the service they're entitled to, as opposed to none at all.

popebenny16

There are customers who are seriously put out by all this; and the removal of the Mk4 temporairly would mean that passengers at least get the service they're entitled to, as opposed to none at all.

There is no reason whatsoever for the drivers to refuse to drive other trains. Please, tell me the reason, go on.....

Metrobest

Red Alert wrote:

the removal of the Mk4 temporairly would mean that passengers at least get the service they're entitled to, as opposed to none at all.

No, because that's capitulating to bully boy tactics.

Red Alert

Rail customers don't really care whether the unions give Barry Kenny & Co. a few proverbial thumps. They want a train, right now they don't have it and CIE aren't looking any better than the unions.

I agree that the drivers shouldn't be refusing to do non-Mk4 runs, but they are. The company could restore everyone's train service at the drop of a hat by dropping the Mk4 introduction until they and <insert union> sort out their house.

popebenny16

But for how long though? This was agreed 6 years ago. They went to the labout court. They lost. When faces with having exhausted every available industrial relations mechanism they pull this stunt, whcih is what it is.

Think it isnt?

Why isnt this an OFFICIAL strike?

Champ

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=182834938&p=y8z835644&n=182835698

Up to 35,000 commuters nationwide today faced a second day of rail chaos because of lightning strikes that were kicked off yesterday by two train drivers in Cork.

Wonder what would happen if said 35,000 commuters were to express their displeasure to these two drivers directly?:)

Especially in light of:

The drivers involved in the dispute earn €50,000 annually but have said they want more money, two hours cut from their working week and bigger pensions if they’re to drive the new trains.