PC vs. Mac

mayordenis

right,

basically got into this huge pc versus mac as regards to design argument,
i won't say which side i'm on for now in this thread,
just want to know peoples general view on this.
i'm talking web design, graphic design, industrial design etc.
the people i was arguing against were all strongly for one of the two i've mentioned and said i wouldnt find any good design done on the medium i was touting,
would love to know on what type of machine boards.ie was designed and built on.

Thanks,
Denis.

DOLEMAN

You can use both. Apple have certainly lost the grip they used to have anyway. But I would imagine the pretentious types still love their macs!

For me, the PC has so much choice I would not consider using a mac.

Banphrionsa

I cannot say which is better from a hardware standpoint, but one thing I know for certain. There are more PCs than Macs in this world. A lot more. And no matter what those programming jokers in Redmond, Washington, USA, say, the communication between these two different platforms is not seemless. There are formatting problems, etc., etc. So does it matter that there are fewer Macs than PCs to whatever you plan to do with it?:rolleyes:

mayordenis

right well now i'll lob in my two sense as apposed to opening discusssion,

i'm a pc man,
i see the pc as the majority sharelholder in all things digital,
i also accept that a mac is somewhat more stable,
for web design i think far more people in general will view in a pc environment than a mac and therefore coding that works with both is great but if i had to choose one i wound go with pc,
digital imaging works great with a pc also.
i'm struggling to see any distinct advantage people see with macs.
people will mention all the virus and spyware implications but if you are anyway careful with a pc you are safe anyway.

Banphrionsa

Heard a lot of rumours about the new MS Vista OS that's being beta tested and to be released sometime after the first of the year to the general public. PC Magaine did a review and suggested that some of the advantages of Mac systems would be equalized with Vista. Might be worth exploring the reviews?

dobblerphoto

I was a staunch pc man for years but always used a mac for any video work (OS9) but have been using a 20" iMac for the last few months and OSX wipes little bits of doody off XPs infant ass...

Of course, it's all about what you want to do with it and which one suits your style or way of doing things better. And they both do certain things very well and I enjoy using both but for style, ease of use and lower stress levels, I'd have to recommend mac all the way... It's just a far more advanced operating system..

Best thing to do is try to have a go on both and see which one feels the best to you.

Peace out.

DonkeyStyle \o/

mayordenis wrote:

[they] said i wouldnt find any good design done on the medium i was touting

PCs/Macs are only a tool... it's the people operating them that matters... sit a talented person down infront of an etch-o-sketch and you'll get some good design... whatever tool works for you tbh.
It's such a pointless argument anyway, probably fueled by the same people who really believed Intel chips made your internet faster :rolleyes:

mayordenis

well your right they wouldn't be exactly computer people but thats basically the argument i put forward,
good stuff.

Tar.Aldarion

A PC guy here.
I have issues with MACs...

sionnach

I owned a mac and a pc at the same time, on the same desk for about 3 months and i found myself doing all my design on the mac, i didn't make any conscious choice to use the mac or anything, it just happened. *shrug* When i design on the pc now i just get frustrated by its relative "clunkiness"

dobblerphoto

sionnach wrote:

*shrug* When i design on the pc now i just get frustrated by its relative "clunkiness"

That's the word for it... Perfect.

spidermonkey

i owned a pc till last september when i jumped ship in favour of macs and i took to them like a duck to water. if your switching jump in the deep end and get rid of any other computer then your forced to re-learn the way you use a computer. and its mush easier.
everything has its purpose though, if you do multimedia, the end product is more than likly going to be viewed on a pc so a lot would use pc's for multimedia, but if your designing for print macs are better, they have better screens and have always catered for the design sector so im guessing apple know their target market by now.
but these days there isn't a huge difference really. windows is crap because of virus' and is just a badly designed os as too much seems to go wrong with third party preherphials and drivers, where as macs come with everthing you need and "it just works". i've only ever had to do a forced restart twice, when i had my pc(dell) its was once a week.

conzy

Im also a PC lover:o

There is a constant Mac V PC battle in the young irish film makers:D

when i had my pc(dell)

Thats why most MAC lovers never listen to the PC lovers point of view. The only contact they ever had with a PC was a crappy Dell with a bloatware ridden installation of Windows XP.

If they sat down at my PC, or any other decent custom PC for that matter, they would be converted.

PCs also cost less, and you get a lot more bang for buck on the Hardware side anyway........

Gordon

conzymaher wrote:

If they sat down at my PC, or any other decent custom PC for that matter, they would be converted.

Are you saying that an out of the box PC isn't worth the money seeing as you have to spend more time and money to customise it to be up to a satisfactory level?

Personally I just prefer macs, I've used both for a while (PC at work and Mac at home) and I prefer using the Mac. That's all, just personal preference, and I have no problem paying more for a product that I prefer, and enjoy using.

heggie

i have a custom built pc (which i built myself) and by far i prefer my mac.

and ok, pc's cost less, but try reselling them, you get feck all of your money back. Mac's depreciate a lot less.

mloc

I use PCs in general, but for some design related processeses, Macs can be superior.

At the end of the day, they are just tools.

conzy

Are you saying that an out of the box PC isn't worth the money seeing as you have to spend more time and money to customise it to be up to a satisfactory level?

I dont mean putting a window in it and putting flashing Leds on it:D

The Mac is tailored for Multimedia out of the box, but a €499 Dell isnt.

My point was a Good High-end PC that has been tailored for Multimedia, will cost less and perform better than a Mac.

The only advantage that an out-of-the-box mac has over a PC is iLife....

spidermonkey

"The only advantage that an out-of-the-box mac has over a PC is iLife"

that and all hardware/software is made specifically to work in perfect harmony with each other. where as pc have been mixed and matched and have a lot of drivers etc to do the best they can to work with each other. hence the term "macs just work"

EssBee

PC and MACS are basically the same, I mean the programs you'd use (PhotoShop, Quark, Illustrator, Flash) are available the same on both systems. I prefer macs because I think they're more user friendly. They're also pretty. I wouldn't buy a PC for design work, but that's just a superficial choice, which is an important one seeing as the apps are the same. I would buy a PC for sound engineering though, as it has a lot more choice.

TempestSabre

spidermonkey wrote:

"The only advantage that an out-of-the-box mac has over a PC is iLife"

that and all hardware/software is made specifically to work in perfect harmony with each other. where as pc have been mixed and matched and have a lot of drivers etc to do the best they can to work with each other. hence the term "macs just work"

Unless you frequent Mac forums where strangely enough people discuss Macs not working :rolleyes: The ability of PC's to be customised (not pimped), in terms of both software and hardware has been one of its key advanages as a format.

They are both just machines used a tools. Used properly both are great.

kaimera

Given the forum this is in and the OP's original post, I'd say PC but just cos I am a pc person.

Herself would go Mac. In college, all her graphic design stuff is thought with macs [tho the bloody books are for the windows versions :rolleyes:].
There is still graphic design sw only available on a mac that a pro can and will use. [she's asked for some stuff I just can't find for windows]

Abby D Cody

I got started with a PC by accident and subsequently bought a lot of software and hardware so that to make the desired transition to the Mac was imprudent. Then PC hardware improved, faster processors made up for the bloated installations and came close to equalising the two media in terms of general functionality. Now Macs are improving their CPUs and the game is on.

I still operate a Windows 98 PC using 98Lite, tiny footprint with huge speed benefits, as well as an XP which is adequate but takes a huge amount of memory and the OS is prone to frequent crashing.

Cat among the pigeons time:

I also have two PCs running Linux which I use for all my multi-media work (sound and A/V) because the software is excellent and free. The only problem I have is with the MIDI, as Linux just doesn't have support drivers for my MIDI interface, but the onboard MIDI is just fine (with Rosegarden or Ardour).

Why not design with it? No reason, I'm afraid I just find Photoshop easier to handle than Gimp, though I just downloaed the GimpShop last week and haven't tried it out yet - I anticipate being well pleased, though.

So, if the question is "PC or Mac", I think I'll end up saying PC. They saturated the market so that even design-snobs like me ended up buying one. But if the question is "Windows or a functioning, fast, secure Operating System" ...

pokypoky

macs are beautiful...the end

Tar.Aldarion

As I said I'm a PCer but this is good.
http://securityawareness.blogspot.com/2006/05/mac-vs-pc.html

conzy

spidermonkey wrote:

"The only advantage that an out-of-the-box mac has over a PC is iLife"

that and all hardware/software is made specifically to work in perfect harmony with each other. where as pc have been mixed and matched and have a lot of drivers etc to do the best they can to work with each other. hence the term "macs just work"

BS:mad:

Since Apple moved to Intel, the Mac is nothing more than an expensive PC running OSX......

Google Mac troubleshooting or mac problems, and you will see that "Macs just dont work"

conzy

pokypoky wrote:

macs are beautiful...the end

:rolleyes:









The MAc looks like a cheese grater:D

pokypoky

yeah i like the last one best...oh thats the mac, looks like my theory is right then, plus cheesegraters can be sexy too, how do i start a cheesegrater forum?

sionnach

Conzymaher, i hope you're not actually claiming that the first images you posted are of relatively better looking cases to the powermac g5. I truly hope for your sake that you were being sarcastic when you posted that first image of the lian li because it's a poor, shameless copy of the powermac itself, (loving that beautiful floppy drive bay and the classy badge ) because otherwise you'd just be a fool making a show of yourself.

You top the post off with a small, badly resized image of the powermac to deliberately make it look bad.

Here's what it really looks like:



gorgeous

spidermonkey

gorgeous

i second that

the move to intel chips = evolution
for pc's to evolve you'll have to get a completly new os, and dont even start rambling on about vista. just because your wearing new clothes doesn't mean your different or better. as soon as they scrap windows and get the ball rolling on a new os the better. windows is a dying dog, and someone needs to realise this and shoot it. apple realised that os 9 wasn't the greatest so along came osx with classic so you could still run previous apps.

here is a video of a content windows user
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byYkk5HTk0g
as you can see, satisfied....

conzy

Ok, So I just picked some random PC cases, but you get my point.

And everything looks good in the right light on a glossy back background.

And it still looks like an industrial cheesegrater.......

This argument will never conclude.

But PCs get my vote, because of

Value
Performance
Upgradeability


Both platforms have their advantages, PCs happen to have more:p

pokypoky

conzymaher wrote:

But PCs get my vote, because of

Value
Performance
Upgradeability


Both platforms have their advantages, PCs happen to have more:p

If money was no object everyone would have a mac. PCs are cheaper and nastier and for this reason the world caters to them first.

Mac = Jessica Alba

PC = Bill Gates

Tar.Aldarion

Eh monsy wan't an obstacle. i wouldn't touch a mac. Bit of a generalisation there.
Jessica alba=looks good, not terribly clever.
Bill gates=smart twat.

conzy

Pokypoky, please:rolleyes:

Macs are way behind, and they are disposable computers.

Does the mac have an integrated memory controller?
Can it be overclocked to amazing speeds that arent yet available?

Anyway, I leave you with this and this

pokypoky

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

Jessica alba=looks good, not terribly clever.
Bill gates=smart twat.

Yeah i couldnt think of a woman that both looked good and was really clever. Were not gonna resolve this but I just think the mac is much easier to use and looks better..sorry for being right

TempestSabre

...a bad workman...

sionnach

pokypoky wrote:

Yeah i couldnt think of a woman that both looked good and was really clever.

Can anyone?

Tar.Aldarion

I'd give Carol Vorderman one. Some actress is smart, somewhere.

sorry for being right

Not burdened with that often, are you?

TempestSabre

So all those stunning actress'es earning millions, are stupid because....?

Tar.Aldarion

TempestSabre wrote:

So all those stunning actress'es earning millions, are stupid because....?

All those "actress'es" get money for acting, actually a lot of it is just for looking good. People are stupid because they are stupid. It's biological.

TempestSabre

I'd have thought being stupid is defined by doing stupid things. doing nothing for millions is hardly stupid?

Tar.Aldarion

TempestSabre wrote:

I'd have thought being stupid is defined by doing stupid things. doing nothing for millions is hardly stupid?

stu·pid

Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.

TempestSabre

Well you know how to use a dictionary. I though this was a discussion forum not a spelling bee.

They seem to understand money well enough, careful enough to manage their careers to get where they are, in a difficult industry. Doing a job that earns millions is hardly stupid.

regeneration

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20060513.jpg

I don't hate Macs as much as I hate the "cult" of Mac; fanboys in general are a waste of space, but Mac fanboys are more irritating than most.

TempestSabre

LOL. Couldn't agree more.

Blowfish

I think there is also a difference within PC's. I dual boot XP and SuSe10. Any sort of design work (in fact anything that would be considered work at all) I use Linux. I find it's a hell of a lot easier to use, and is designed for doing work. Saying that I haven't used mac's much, but would love to try.

conzy

regeneration wrote:

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20060513.jpg

I don't hate Macs as much as I hate the "cult" of Mac; fanboys in general are a waste of space, but Mac fanboys are more irritating than most.

Lol its true, Who would bother writing a virus for a platform that 3% of the world use when they could write a virus for 90% of the worlds computers.

And Mac fanboys really are the worst, They backup their arguments with statements such as "Well, Mac is better because its pretty"

or "Mac is better because its easier to use" Yeah that single button mouse is really great for ease of use and productivity:rolleyes:

heggie

mac's have had 2 button mice available now for quite some time, also, u can cmd-click as the alternate mouse function, also, considering how old OSX is getting, and what Vista is shaping up to look like, i think pc's are gonna slip behind big time. Vista to me anyway (i use pc & macs) seems like its gonna be a big let down.

TempestSabre

Personally I turn off all visual junk to reclaim my ram.

amp

Meh, there's less of a difference these days between Mac's and PC's. I'd probably still be using an Amiga if Commodore hadn't gone titsup.com

pokypoky

I think I'm a mac fanboy and i don't even have a mac

layke

Used both, pulled both apart on numerous occasions.

PC: doesn't look as nice as the MAC graphically.
Mac : is slower and uses an inferior chipset.

When Mac start using the Intel chipsets like they are planning to I will re evalutate until then I laugh heatily at them.

Apart from that, everything is aavailalbe on the PC, you can buy cheaper spurious parts easily. Upgrades are much easier too.

All in all in my professional experience I have found the Mac to be the equivilant of the Fisher Price my first computer.

Oh and there is a big diff using a PC with Windows as there is to using a PC with Debian Linux installed.