i need information on Xenical?

pepper

i need information on Xenical?
I know this can only be perscribed by a doctor.
Is anyone here on it?
Did you ask to be put on it and what tests must you take (blood pressure etc)to get on it?
Was it hard to get the doctor to agree to put you on it or did he recommend it?
Do you need to be over a certain weight to go on it?
How long were you on it and how much weight did you lose?

And is it available on the medical card in ireland and BEFORE you start with your "GET A JOB" posts I HAVE A JOB- but my hours have been cut back severley so im entitled to a medical card.

And before you ask i am dieting and exercising but its doing no good i lost weight the 1st week of my diet and ive lost nothing sionce then and its been a month- I dont want to give up my diet but at the same time i feel im wasting my time putting the work in and getting no results

Ag marbh

pepper wrote:

And is it available on the medical card in ireland and BEFORE you start with your "GET A JOB" posts I HAVE A JOB- but my hours have been cut back severley so im entitled to a medical card.

Sorry I can't offer any information on the drug but don't bother explaining yourself regarding the above and anyone who has a problem with it should piss off basically.

Supercell

pepper, I've been down the road you are on currently, i.e finding it really really hard to loose weight yet being overweight.

Do Lipotrim, it works..look as the numbers in my signature..those are weekly kg updates (left there for me to appreciate where i am and what i could easily become again if I let it all slide), quite simple - it works (i'm following the GI philosophy currently and am 74 KG and eating again!!).

When you get towards ideal weight for your body type you will find all of a sudden that its easier to loose (and gain) inches around the waistline, you also have oodles more energy and look far far better.

Seriously recomend it, some here will recommend total lifestyle change and pumping iron and diet to achieve losses - this is true and will work, but for people that have been overeweight for a long time (like I was) taking food out of the equation alone for a few months is a great way of re-educating and getting results at the same time without needing to learn a whole new gym routine at the same time - study this while on the programme.

Before considering going on Lipotrim please visit your local GP and let them know what you are about to undertake, its guaranteed 1 stone for girls and about 1.5 stone for guys per month, though some loose more depending on how far overweight they are starting out.
At the end of the day pepper, you have shown commitment by at least sticking to your current plan, you may have turned fat to muscle and be actually succeding brilliantly already so dont beat yourself up!. If you want a simple way of loosing fat that is tough (no going to say it isn't - then do Lipotrim, it is hard but its definately going to work Have a look here for many posts by people on diets like this http://discoveryhealth.co.uk/forum3/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=2 , many based n Ireland.

If you really want to loose the wight, you can, you have shown dedication, now make that pay for you - but always be aware that long term - you will need to get into the habit of excercise and diet change if you want to keep it off (I bet you will once the stones have been lost!!)

aFlabbyPanda

not wanting to pick a fight but I spoke to my doc (who is involved with running trials for weight loss) last week about lipotrim and he said it was nothing more then another version of slimfast. he said I might as well do that and save some money.

He gave me 2 options to consider and 1 of them is xenicol. The other was a neurol appetite suppressant (cant remember the name). He basically described it to me as one working on the bowel (preventing you from absorbing fats, ie it passes straight through) and the other on the brain (make you feel fuller). The only reason I didnt choose xenicol was this point. I work on the road see if I have a bad day, running late, havent eaten and deicde to get a burger & chips then whoosh I have the runs. I know I shouldnt be eating it anyway but thats why I didnt pick it. I'd rather have the control over what I eat.

AFAIK you do need to have a high BMI to be perscibed either medication which I have. Best thing is talk to your GP and see what they say..

g'em

OP, you've said in other posts that you need to lose about 2 stone yeah? and you're getting frustrated that the weight loss isn't happening quicker and you seem to have plateaued?

Well prescription drugs are not the answer, as much as that may not be what you want to hear right now. There is absolutely no reason (genuine medical problems notwithstanding) why you won't be able to lose that weight. You posted your diet and there were some very valid criticisms of it- get rid of teh processed foods (esp anything with 'low-fat' or 'healthy' on the label) and increase your protein intake.

The big problem with Lipotrim/ Slimfast/ Xenical is that for most eople they serve as a quick fix. Yes, you'll lose the weight, but I aboslutely guarnatee it'll go straight back on again, because you haven't done what is fundamentally important to maintaining a healthy weight- changing your diet and exercise regime. I've seen Longfield posting about Lipotrim before, and I think for him (her?) it seems to have done the job, but (s)he has overhauled their diet and approached their eating habits in a new way too.

Trust me, you're talking to someone who's tried (and failed) every single weight loss 'miracle' diet out there over the last ten years or so. Every time I lost the weight I felt great, but teh happiness was short-lived as it would reappear within weeks, usually with a few extra lbs thrown in for good measure.

I'm leaning out again right now, and I've lost 5lbs in 2 weeks. How? eating very, very well, keeping a constant eye on my calories, or more importantly my fat/protein/carb ratios, doing weights three times a week and cardio 6 days a week, in the form of a run or a walk. I have another few pounds to go, but the aim is to keep dropping a lb a week until I reach my goal- any faster than that and I know it won't be fat loss. I probably won't lose weight every single week, regardless of how clean my diet it, but that's not a problem I just have to keep myself motivated.

By all means try one of the miracle weight loss solutions, but take it from someone who's been there, bought the t-shirt and had to take it back for 2 sizes bigger a few weeks later, absoltuely nothing can replace a healthy, nutritious blanced diet and complimentary exercise program.

aFlabbyPanda

g'em wrote:

Well prescription drugs are not the answer, as much as that may not be what you want to hear right now.

I must disagree with that. They may not be the answer for you or others but maybe they will work for this person (or anyone else, myself included)

Maybe they will give them the kick strat they need.

g'em

With two stone to lose? probably not. The OP has said she's been dieting for a month or so (afaik) and has hit a plateau. Nothing a bit of hard work and dedication wouldn't fix. Yes prescrition drugs may be suitable in some cases, but those are far and few between.

aFlabbyPanda

yes the amount of weight they want to lose is what some may consider small when you compare with the range of people the drugs were aimed at, ie obese. just your manner seemed a bit dismissive thats all. but I take your point.

Seraphina

the problem is the OP's attitude IMO. from what i've read, she's looking to rush weightloss to win a bet. advising her to try any kind of drugs is just a silly idea. she needs to realise there's no quick fix, and that hard work is really the only way she's going to loose weight and keep it off.

aFlabbyPanda

I dont think anyone advised here to try drugs. her GP is the best person to advise her.

TerrorFirmer

pepper wrote:

And is it available on the medical card in ireland and BEFORE you start with your "GET A JOB" posts I HAVE A JOB- but my hours have been cut back severley so im entitled to a medical card.

As far as that goes, I work in Medical Cards and usually that sort of thing would definately not be covered by a medical card. You can, however, ring your local health service executive office and ask to speak to someone in pharmacy and they can tell you for definate if something is covered or not.

Dragan

BrianjG wrote:

just your manner seemed a bit dismissive thats all.

hmmmmm......

posting her own history of weight issues and attempts to solves, referencing OP's other posts about diet etc and how it's not as healthy as she thinks and re-iterating possible changes, mentioning the type of people weightloss drugs can help......

your right..... very dismissive. :rolleyes:

aFlabbyPanda

what I meant was dismissive of the OP's method of wanting to lose weight, ie the drug route. if this is just going to degenerate into sarcasm I think I'll just leave it at this. She should go see her GP who will advise her according to what is best for her medically.

g'em

BrianjG wrote:

what I meant was dismissive of the OP's method of wanting to lose weight, ie the drug route.

well if encouraging people to try to steer clear of drugs and quick fix solutions is dismissive then so be it.

BrianjG wrote:

She should go see her GP who will advise her according to what is best for her medically.

she could, or she could save the 50 odd quid it'll cost, get her diet straight, exercise some more and accept that weight-loss isn't easy, and you have to be prepared to work at it. Two stone isn't an unachievable goal, but it takes patience and understandin. please feel free to check out my posting history here if you want to see if I'm talking through my a$$ or not :rolleyes: ...

aFlabbyPanda

you know what you know and thats fine with me. if you think its the wrong thing to do thats fine. but to be honest a public forum is not the place to seek medical advice about a persciption drug. or any method of weight loss for that matter.

for me I'm sick of people's attitude of "ah just sort your diet and excercise". some people just need a little more help. myself included. I wonder how many of the people who hand out this type of advice have ever been seriously overweight/obese before.

I dont doubt that yes excercise and diet is critical to achieving a healthy weight and body. but then I dont have an issue with using any other method in conjunction with this to achieve the same LONG TERM solution. my 2cents thats all. not trying to get confrontational.

g'em

BrianjG wrote:

I wonder how many of the people who hand out this type of advice have ever been seriously overweight/obese before.

um.. well I have for one. And that's why I don't just say 'sort your diet and exercise' flippantly- it means a whole lifestyle change in most cases, but it the crux of living healthy life. As I said, I've tried every marketing ploy going to help me lose weight, but it wasn't till I educated myself about how my body works and what I need to do to maintain it properly that I was able to make informed decisions about the right and wrong way to go about it. I've been fat and I've been (still am) slim. And the advice I offer is through oodles of trials and error with all the diet schemes out there, finally coming to the conclusion that the traditionalists were right- burn more calories than you consume = weight loss.

I'm not trying to be confrontational either- yes, there are people who have to resort to drugs/ surgery/ very drastic measures to lose weight, but I don't think the OP is one of them, hence the reason why I'm not condoning the use of xenical or anything else.

justsomebloke

ye i was obese too(bmi - 31.5) and have lost 4 stone since my heaviest through proper diet and exercise and apart from g'em there are a good few others here who are ffb or ffg (formerly fat boys/girls). So to answer your question quite a few people who hand out this advise have been obese

Dragan

BrianjG wrote:

for me I'm sick of people's attitude of "ah just sort your diet and excercise". some people just need a little more help. myself included. I wonder how many of the people who hand out this type of advice have ever been seriously overweight/obese before.

I for one have had several battles will weight over my life, one due to extremem laziness, one due to extreme injury so to be honest i think i am in the perfect place to comment on the difference between being trapped with your weight issues and just being lazy.

Like i said before, when i was a kid i was more than happy to spend 5 or 6 years eating myself fat, but then i wanted to be thin i expected it in days. Everyone else is the same.

I will say right now that 2 stone is a very, very minor ammount of weight to lose in the grand scheme of things. It's really that simple.

When you post you diet and people offer advice to make changes , you impliment those changes. WHen you post your workout and people offer advice to make changes, you impliment those changes.

Everything takes time. It's really that simple. But people want things too fast, and have the time they just want everything handed to them.

No doubt there are all sorts of drinks and tablets out there to help everyone do anything, but if you using them as a substitute for hardwork, instead of a way to BACK UP your hard work, then you will never, and i mean, never, acheive the goals you think you are aiming for.

It's really that simple.

As for the "just sort out your diet and excercise" this is really all you need. The rest is perseverance, patience and willpower. If you need help then cool, good for you, but many, many people acheive there goals without that help.

And guess what, it ain't easy.

Besides, if you check out some of "peppers" other posts she's going so far as to invent stories trying to find idea's for quick weight loss. One involves a boxer and is really quite good.

Pepper, you really would be better off just putting in some effort.

t-ha

jsb wrote:

ye i was obese too(bmi - 31.5)

Pah! That's nothing - I had a BMI of 37. I win. I always win!

Dragan

t-ha wrote:

Pah! That's nothing - I had a BMI of 37. I win. I always win!

Anyone ever see that program on discovery about the home for the morbidly obese?

These guys were in very bad circumstances, not able to walk, BMI or like 50+ or something.....scary as hell to think you could get youself into that condition.

Supercell

From reading the OP's posts it seems they want a magic pill that wll help them loose weight with little or no change in behaviour to them. I'm sorry but thats just not going to happen, loosing weight is tough and requires dedication changes to lifestyle perminently if its to come off and stay off.

There is no magic pill, sorry but as cruel as that sounds pepper, there it is, you want to loose weight at a fast rate - well that involves much dedication and no bones about it, for me, Lipotrim got me where I wanted to be in the fastest way possible and i'm now following a GI diet (for life) coupled with regular excercise that means those long weeks of just liquid food have given me the result I desired and wouldnt change a thing.

You are already failing before you begin, you dont seem to have the dedication or will to make the changes needed to your lifestyle for a long enough time to get results, there is no magic fat loss pill that I know of so you are doomed to failure, sorry there ya go.
I just failed my first driving test so sorry about the pissy post, am not in the mood to sugar coat anything atm.

aFlabbyPanda

well you guys seem to be totally against this idea. as for the OP the choice is up to them.

I've decided to go the drug route too and we'll just have to wait and see the results.

justsomebloke

t-ha wrote:

Pah! That's nothing - I had a BMI of 37. I win. I always win!

I shake my fist at you like, your other avator shakes.

brianjg wrote:

well you guys seem to be totally against this idea. as for the OP the choice is up to them.

Read Longfields post as he has gone down a similar path as the OP wants to take. However the reason it has worked for Longfield so far is that he came to teh conclusion that he would have to change his habit or he would end up going back to where he started from. However i don't think the OP realises that she is going to have to change her habits be it now or later cause if she doesn't any loss now will quickly turn back into gains. with weight loss you have to look at the big picture and not just the loss of weight for a year or 2.

P.S. Longfield keep us updated with your weight now that you are off the drug as i would be interest to see where your weight will go from here be it still down or maybe slightly up.

pepper

ok ok look i am very pissed off now- how DARE you all assume i want a magic pill to lose weight and assume i have not made any changes to my lifestyle.I work my ass off in the gym with no results and i wont sit back and no nothing about it.I went to the doc this morning and i never mentioned xenical and SHE suggested it so she put me on it.She said she normally doesnt put just anyone on it but that she believes im trying my hardest and getting no results so she will give me it.

My lifestyle was DREADFUL and thats why i put the weight up - i ate junk every day- take aways twice a week- went out fri and sat night and NEVER exercised. Now i dont drink-I dont eat crap- i go to the gym every day and i eat right- and my weight STOPPED dropping and stayed that way-I did exercise harder to get through the pleatu but all i did was exhaust myself and i STILL lost no weight.

This is not to win a bet ok-I am 15 stone 10 and 5 ft 0- the bet was only a little goal my dad gave me to help me- but i have cut off the bet cos i dont want his money- im doing this for me.im SICK of being breathless walking up to my flat-Im SICK of looking like a whale beside my sisters and i am SICK of squeezing in to size 20 clothes.

If i wasnt put on this pill id have given up my diet cos i was working my ass off for NOTHING- Dont think i took this decision lightly cos i didnt- i have tried and tried and it wouldnt shift

daveirl

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g'em

pepper wrote:

ok ok look i am very pissed off now- how DARE you all assume i want a magic pill to lose weight and assume i have not made any changes to my lifestyle.

we're not presuming anything, we're only going on what you've told us in your threads (been dieting just over 1 month, go to curves, do a bit of cardio, drink up to 15 cups of green tea a day... let me know if any of that is wrong...)

pepper wrote:

I work my ass off in the gym with no results

it takes time to see results. you won't become bikini beautiful overnight, be patient. It's taken me the best part of a year to shape my body the way I want it to look, and its still a work in progress.

pepper wrote:

- im doing this for me.im SICK of being breathless walking up to my flat-Im SICK of looking like a whale beside my sisters and i am SICK of squeezing in to size 20 clothes.

good, you're pissed off- now use that to your advantage. but remember that the drugs are temporary - once you lose the weight you'll have to work hard to keep it off. Thing is, as has been said already, many of us have been in your position, and when we give advice its because we've been there and done that. You posted looking for this advice, and we may not always sugar-coat the truth to spare feelings. Weight loss is hard, there's no easy way to go about it, and we just want you to be aware that there are healthy and not so healthy ways to go about it. Your diet still isn't up to scratch, and (I know I'll annoy you when I say this) but going to curves is not working your ass off at the gym, but it IS a start.

Keep your head up, accept that its going to be a long road, congratulate yourself for taking the first important steps twoards improving your weight, and understand that teh advice we give is there to help, not hinder.

TouchingVirus

Guys and Gal's ...BMI isnt the be-all-end-all of how to decide if you're morbidly obese.

Christ I used to be a 44 on that thing, I'm ringing in here today at 39.1 ..apparently I'm about to drop because of a heart attack due to being huge..*touches wood*

It isnt the case, use BMI cautiously and go with BF percentages to gauge correctly

As for Xenical - let me tell you all, DO NOT DO IT!

It is the most vile, disgusting fat-inhibitor ever! When i was on it 3 years ago it cost 100e per month (since i was on the drugs payment scheme it was 70 euros and all other medication that month was free ).

You take it before a meal and try to keep the fat concentration of the meal to 30% or lower. But let me tell ya, unless you're eating a salad you will pay for it!

It's side-effects are gruesome and disgusting, they left me feeling dirty. Not to mention that it doesn't take long to kick in either, sometimes i'd find myself rushing from the table straight after eating a meal (which was less that 30% fat for certain) and I'd only just about make the toilet. I think it is meant to be a fear drug - I was afraid to eat!

In the first month i lost the equivilent of 2lb/week. I changed nothing much in my diet and the side effects were horrendous. The second month, i dropped all the "high fat" stuff and swapped to more healthier alternatives, like skimmed milk and wholewheat bread etc etc and i actually gained back all i lost and 1lb for an extra kick in the nads.

Needless to say i told the doctor where he could put his Xenical.


It really isn't the answer. I've also been on Xenadrine and other such medication to help along the Weight Loss Process but D&E is the only way I managed to start acheiving.


So, if you have no shame and dont mind how disgusting the side-effects like oily-stools are (needless to say toilet-cleaning became a great activity for 2 months for me) then ask your doctor. However, be warned, it didn't work for me and a few others i know were on it

DOLEMAN

Pepper, I've commented on your other gym thread, and I've just seen this thread now...

You spent your life eating rubbish and sitting on your ass. You expect one month of going to Curves to fix this? You need a serious reality check.

I cannot believe you want to take medication to lose weight rather than make the effort to change your bad lifestyle.

One month is NOTHING.

Stop being lazy. This is why are you overweight. LAZINESS.

Stop being lazy, figure out how to change your life, and OVER TIME get happy with your new body.

Ugh. You sound like someone on Ricky Lake.

PS Taking toxic pills won't stop your breathlessness. Exercise will.

pepper

DOLEMAN wrote:

Pepper, I've commented on your other gym thread, and I've just seen this thread now...

You spent your life eating rubbish and sitting on your ass. You expect one month of going to Curves to fix this? You need a serious reality check.

I cannot believe you want to take medication to lose weight rather than make the effort to change your bad lifestyle.

One month is NOTHING.

Stop being lazy. This is why are you overweight. LAZINESS.

Stop being lazy, figure out how to change your life, and OVER TIME get happy with your new body.

Ugh. You sound like someone on Ricky Lake.

PS Taking toxic pills won't stop your breathlessness. Exercise will.

it has been more that a ****n month right doleman i have been on the diet way before i went in to curves- i just had to start asking stuff once i started the exercise as i wasnt sure of the effects on my body.

AND ANOTHER THING- THE DOC PUT ME ON IT- I DIDNT ****N ASK FOR IT OK!!!!!!!!!!!

at least im trying and not sitting on my hole like some people

Youd be bitching if i wasnt doing nothing and your bitching cos i am

DOLEMAN

No, I'm commenting on how you want a quick fix and have the wrong attitude. Fitness and creating pretty bodies is a gradual process. You seem to be quite extreme, eg, wanting everything now, drinking 15 cups of green tea a day, 10 litres of water, diet pills etc.

Just change your lifestyle and be patient.

g'em

pepper wrote:

AND ANOTHER THING- THE DOC PUT ME ON IT- I DIDNT ****N ASK FOR IT OK!!!!!!!!!!!

but I'm guessing you're not exactly hating the fact you've been given a prxn for it now are you? And so lets say you do take it, you lose weight, then you revert back to old eating habits and hey presto- all the wieght goes back on.. will it be the doc's fault? the pills? or maybe, just maybe, it could be you. Just because you've been given the go-ahead to take them doesn't mean you have to. You say the doc has prescribed them as a 'last resort'? but the truth is, you've been trying to undo years of crap eating, no exercise and bad self-maintenance in a few short weeks.

I applaud you for having the guts to do something about your weight, but please realise that there are healthier ways of going about it- the post that TouchingVirus wrote about his experiences on it turned my stomach!! While the weight loss will be slower doing it the old fashioned way, you will see probably see much better results. If you incorporate a more stringent gym routine into your exercise plan and build your muscle base you will naturally speed your metabolism, helping you to keep losing weight and the body that lies underneath all the flab will look incredible when it gets exposed.

TerrorFirmer

When I first started dieting at 16 stone about 6 months ago, I lost an initial few pounds and then hit a plateau like you describe. but you can't give up just because the image you're suddenly yearning for doesn't seem to be happening as fast as you want it to. I'm not naturally fat - and at 16 stone myself, I'm sure both me and you alike spent a long time eating ourselves to those respective weights and spend alot more then not caring about our figures then we suddenly do when we see how big we've become.

So anyway, I hit the plateau, and yeah I was annoyed that the weight wasn't dropping. But I just kept at it, going to the gym twice a week, eating healthier, etc. Eventually, the weight started to shift again and it's been shifting ever since. I'm now just under 12 stone, and I'm not overly obsessive about my regime. I do like to go to the gym 3 times a week, I do like to eat healthy during the week, but I also like to eat my fair share of unhealthy food at the weekend and I'm still maintaining my current weight no problems.

So don't try to resort to silly measures like drowning yourself in green tea, clingfilm, or even medication - just be patient for awhile longer with the exercise and diet, and as long as you stick to it - no-one here can really tell if everything you say is as it is - you will definately notice some difference, if you give it time. The advice I got on this forum has really helped me out alot.

Dragan

pepper wrote:

AND ANOTHER THING- THE DOC PUT ME ON IT- I DIDNT ****N ASK FOR IT OK!!!!!!!!!!!

at least im trying and not sitting on my hole like some people

Youd be bitching if i wasnt doing nothing and your bitching cos i am

Wow, who would have thought that a DOCTOR would put you on a DRUG..... let me right a simply equation for you , it goes like this :

Large Political Donations from Pharmaceutical Companies X Greedy Politicians = Lots of Weird Drugs being cleared.

Weird Drugs + Doctors looking to get paid X people looking for answers = Pointless Perscriptions.

It's just the way it is. FOr my money, not only do you need to develop whatever way you desire physically ( i.e losing weight ) you need to develop mentally. Your freaking out over nothing, and that is not a good sign. People assume you have been dieting for a month because that is how long you said you were on a diet. Check your own posts before jumping at people for making assumptions you led them to.

Curves is not a gym, it's a marketing tool for people too caught up in there own self image ( funnily enough who will make assumptions about the physically fit "If i go to the gym they'll laugh at me" ) who are desperate for somewhere they can all go and hug and feel like **** together. It's an American dream for the cookie loving mothers of the state of Texas.

It's bull****.

Get in a real gym, get yourself on a real diet. Read up about nutrition and excercise. Put some effort in. Depriving yourself of food and doing a Cruves circuit is not effort. It's just crippling you because the heart is there to make the changes but your making the wrong choices, which is a shame.

YOu have been offered help on this board and ignored it, every post you make you have people giving you advice but you keep coming back for more and more and more when it does not seem you have taken the previous advice.

Google is your friend. Self education is the best education. Everything i learned i learned by searching and reading. It's not hard.

All the weight i have lost i have lost through hard effort, and sweat, and sometimes blood, and a lot of puking and once or twice just plain falling over.

Back in the day i told myself every lie to make myself feel better. All the programs were flawed, all the diets were wrong...... it takes time to be totally honest with yourself. But when you get there it's worth it.

pepper

HavoK wrote:

When I first started dieting at 16 stone about 6 months ago, I lost an initial few pounds and then hit a plateau like you describe. but you can't give up just because the image you're suddenly yearning for doesn't seem to be happening as fast as you want it to. I'm not naturally fat - and at 16 stone myself, I'm sure both me and you alike spent a long time eating ourselves to those respective weights and spend alot more then not caring about our figures then we suddenly do when we see how big we've become.

So anyway, I hit the plateau, and yeah I was annoyed that the weight wasn't dropping. But I just kept at it, going to the gym twice a week, eating healthier, etc. Eventually, the weight started to shift again and it's been shifting ever since. I'm now just under 12 stone, and I'm not overly obsessive about my regime. I do like to go to the gym 3 times a week, I do like to eat healthy during the week, but I also like to eat my fair share of unhealthy food at the weekend and I'm still maintaining my current weight no problems.

So don't try to resort to silly measures like drowning yourself in green tea, clingfilm, or even medication - just be patient for awhile longer with the exercise and diet, and as long as you stick to it - no-one here can really tell if everything you say is as it is - you will definately notice some difference, if you give it time. The advice I got on this forum has really helped me out alot.

2 TIMES A WEEK-im going every day right and was getn no results- n wat u on about clingfilm?DO I LOOK LIKE A ****N BOXER 2 U

Dragan

pepper wrote:

2 TIMES A WEEK-im going every day right and was getn no results- n wat u on about clingfilm?DO I LOOK LIKE A ****N BOXER 2 U

Nope, but you do look like the sort of person who's "friend" might be a boxer.:rolleyes:

Listen, people here are happy to help you out, but your not taking the advice, your diet needs work, and whatever you might think you do in Curves, it's not a workout.

Stop kidding yourself.

As a final statement, as you seem to be using up all the goodwill in the people on this board who have tried to help you

a) Learn to type properly.
b) Cursing at people on the internet is not big and not clever.
c) You need to destress a little, your all worked up.

Now then, make proper changes to your diet, do a proper workout plan ( not Curves hint hint ) and then see what happens.

For the last time what you are looking for takes times. You were more than happy to spend years messing yourself up, why do you have no patience to fix it?

yomchi

Just thought I'd add my own experiences to the thread. I completely agree with Dragan. It takes time, effort and above all patience. I was a very fat 17.5 stone guy 2 years ago, it took my about 8 months to get down to 14.5 stone. When I got proper help the weight went even quicker. But you have to stick to a plan, and LISTEN to those in the know.

JMO

Tamarellaz

Hey, I am on Xenical and yes it is available on a Medical Card. The one thing they do check is your BMI...if your BMI is over a certain amount you are considered obese.

They will decide on what meds are best as some of the anti obesity ones can interfere with other meds.

Ginny

TBH I wouldn't lump Xenical, Reductil and Accolmpia in the same boat as lipotrim and slimfast, imo theres a vast difference between the 2 at least with the former there has to be some sort of GP interaction.

I've been on Xenical and it did nadda for me, its was happy-prescribed for me and it turned out I wasn't eating enough fat for it to work, when the Doc finally listened to me my condition was diagnosed.

As for the losing weight quickly, its never going to happen think about how long it took you to put on the weight, I'll bet it was far far longer then the length of time you're trying to lose it so far.

Jimmy Bottlehead

All I'd like to say is that although this thread has become messy, and the OP has been pi$$y about listening, I found a lot of posts really inspirational, especially Dragan, g'em, jsb and Jon, among others. I haven't had to deal with weightloss (not yet anyways, give the bulking time!) but all of you earned your physiques the hard way and are an inspiration for many members of this board.
I STILL think that posts such as those should be stickie'd, as they might give someone who is stuck in a rut the boost they need.

blah

FYI this thread is 2 years old. Good read though.

Edit: Just noticed Pepper was even banned 3 months ago for some reason...personal abuse?

Editing my Edit: Oh yeah and it's a bit suss that a newly registered user drags up this old thread to mention that "Xenical ... is available on a Medical Card"

Jimmy Bottlehead

Haha, jaysus, I never noticed. Wondered how all those posts popped up without me noticing them though

justsomebloke

jsb wrote: »

ye i was obese too(bmi - 31.5) and have lost 4 stone since my heaviest through proper diet and exercise and apart from g'em there are a good few others here who are ffb or ffg (formerly fat boys/girls). So to answer your question quite a few people who hand out this advise have been obese

ah man I hate when 2 year old zombie threads are brought back from the dead.
Anyway I might as well update.
I am now nearly back to my heaviest weight ever at over 15 stone and currently am sitting around the 30.5 on the BMI scale. However I am in a lot better shaper then I was 2 years ago and with the 8 week challenge I hope to aesthetically be in the best shape of my life at the end of it even though I will be a lot heavier then my lightest weight 2 years ago

Padman

I dont mean to be rude.Just trying to help.

Everyone here on these milkshakes and tablets to lose weight are lazy and just wont go for a jog or to the gym!All these things do is make you lose weight fast but because of not eating any other food ( in the case of taking the weightloss shakes) your matablism SLOWS down so as soon as you eat a sandwich its all turns to fat!You need to keep eating or your matabalism slows down and you can put on 1-2 pounds of fat A DAY!!

The only way to lose weight is diet and exercise.Nothing else will work and if it does it will probably kill you in the long run.Dont take the easy way out.

NOTHING WORTH HAVING COMES EASY!!!

cardio,shoot me

thread is like 3 years old lol

g'em

Indeed, besides which Xenical is a prescription only drug and usage should be discussed with a medical professional.