Going Diesel....

Topcat101

I'm going to change my car in 3 months time been looking around at what Diesel cars are on offer:

Here's my base line,

Max to spend 17,000 E
400-450 miles per week.

Don't mind what car make, either VW ( not a golf), Audi, Toyota (not Avensis) , Skoda.

Was looking at the 1.4 d4d Corolla Strata. But expensive ~20k second hand.
But will save on insurance and Tax. But will lack power. But kown the MPG ???

Skoda Octavia 110hp 2004/3 = 17000. But very hard to get one with low milage and poor resale value. MPG ??

Skoda Sub 130hp 2003/2 = 17000. same as the above. MPG ??

VW passet 130hp 2002 = 17000. But very hard to get one with low milage. MPG ??

Audi, don't know yet. commets please .......


I orginally was all for the Corolla opition. Insurance and Tax would stay the same as on the car I have now.

But would be loosing power 120 Hp down to 90hp(?).

The others will all cost me around 550 E extra per year between Tax and insurance. But will Keep the power i'm used of.

Major considerations.

1. Resale value.
2. MPG
3. Power


Thank TC

Moanin

Go with VW/Audi/ Skoda 1.9tdi.Great engine for power and economy.I have the 100bhp and fill it for €60 odd (60 litre tank)a nd get on average 650 miles.

Drax

From the Octavia 1.9Tdi you'll get 550 miles from a tank at 50 euro a tankful. Approx 53mpg - pretty decent.

Eoin

This may be useful to get an idea of what's out there. Carzone Search of all diesel cars between €1 and €17000 (the €1 gets rid of all the P.O.A. adverts).

I was in the same boat as you, and ended up going for a BMW 320D yesterday, though it probably isn't the best value for money diesel out there.

There is a nice looking diesel Seat for sale in the FS:Motors forum too.

Big Nelly

Bought a UK import about 2 weeks ago. Cost me a few quid but price can be seen on link below. Its the 130hp model and its a dream to move. I had the 90Bhp model before hand and you wouldnt believe the power difference. I would never go for less than the 130Bhp again.

Also your doing alot of driving like myself, is it motor way or city? the onboard computer in town says Im doing about 20-40Mpg and using cruise control on motor way will go from 55-65Mpg which is very good

Also the UK import have alot more extra as you can see from my car, compare it with an irish one and you are lucky to have front electric windows and maybe alloys

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=363095

Moanin

I agree with Big Nelly on the UK cars.I bought a 2004 Audi A4 100bhp for €25,500 all in including VRT.I purchased from a main dealer with full service history and all motor way driving.The cars are better kept than their Irish equivalents and you get more extras.Its worth thinking about.Now that the new passat is on the market you'd pick up a fairly fresh old model cheap!Go for the 130bhp though...

Have a look at the sticky on this board about importing.Its well worth a read.

Topcat101

Big Nelly wrote:

Bought a UK import about 2 weeks ago. Cost me a few quid but price can be seen on link below. Its the 130hp model and its a dream to move. I had the 90Bhp model before hand and you wouldnt believe the power difference. I would never go for less than the 130Bhp again.

Also your doing alot of driving like myself, is it motor way or city? the onboard computer in town says Im doing about 20-40Mpg and using cruise control on motor way will go from 55-65Mpg which is very good

Also the UK import have alot more extra as you can see from my car, compare it with an irish one and you are lucky to have front electric windows and maybe alloys

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=363095

Mostly motorway, ennis to limerick daily.

Was in a local deailer in Ennis last friday his has a 04 passet 130hp 6-speed, coming in 6 week time as a trade in. 19k with 50k on the clock. Might go with that if all's above board.....

Mc-BigE

you should get a low mileage Skoda for under 17K euros

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=search&MakeID=28&xMakeID=28&ColourID=&xColourID=&ModelID=248&xModelID=248&Doors=&BodyID=&Engine_Min=1800&Year_Min=&Engine_Max=1900&Year_Max=&Price_Min=1&Price_Min_integer=Minimum+price+entered+was+not+an+integer.&CountyID=&xCountyID=&Price_Max=18000&Price_Max_integer=Maximum+price+entered+was+not+an+integer.&BusinessID=&xBusinessID=&IsPrivateSale=&FuelID=2&SortBy=MakeAsc&MaxRows=100&InsertPeriod=&ResultFormat=&submit=Find+%3E%3E

top of the range Laurin & Klement skoda is worth a look.

Big Nelly

Topcat101 wrote:

Mostly motorway, ennis to limerick daily.

Was in a local deailer in Ennis last friday his has a 04 passet 130hp 6-speed, coming in 6 week time as a trade in. 19k with 50k on the clock. Might go with that if all's above board.....

Is it the sports model? if so I would get it, lovely car. A friend of mine bought a 02 6-speed sports model a few weeks before I bought mine and he loves it.

you should get a low mileage Skoda for under 17K euros

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index...it=Find+%3E%3E

top of the range Laurin & Klement skoda is worth a look.

Do you own a Skoda?

I laugh when on every thread someone posts about a Skoda, does everyone on here that posts about them own one or is it just you seen someone else post about the price of them and thought you would look good if you posted on the next thread you see?

The Skoda is nothing compared to a highling/comfortline/sportsline Passat, compare them to the baseline Passat in most situations. Yes they are made by VW but I can assure you they keep the best stuff for the Passat. The Passat is twice the car and holds it value great, I lost 500 quid on my 00 Passat for the year I drove it and put over 20k on the clock.

Also, and I know will get the usual blah blah on here, I wouldnt be seen dead in a Skoda. Just my personal preference but I still hate the look of a Skoda badge on a car. Maybe the Skoda name will be better in a few years but for the minute I will stick with my VW badge:D

Moanin

Good price for that Passat.Normal milleage for a 2 year old diesel.Check that it has full service history.

Drax

Big Nelly wrote:

I wouldnt be seen dead in a Skoda. Just my personal preference but I still hate the look of a Skoda badge on a car. Maybe the Skoda name will be better in a few years but for the minute I will stick with my VW badge:D

I do believe the Skoda name is already quite good. A few years ago was a different story.

Big Nelly

Drax wrote:

I do believe the Skoda name is already quite good. A few years ago was a different story.

Maybe in some circles but anyone I know wouldnt be seen dead in it.

Mc-BigE

Big Nelly wrote:

Do you own a Skoda?

I laugh when on every thread someone posts about a Skoda, does everyone on here that posts about them own one or is it just you seen someone else post about the price of them and thought you would look good if you posted on the next thread you see?

The Skoda is nothing compared to a highling/comfortline/sportsline Passat, compare them to the baseline Passat in most situations. Yes they are made by VW but I can assure you they keep the best stuff for the Passat. The Passat is twice the car and holds it value great, I lost 500 quid on my 00 Passat for the year I drove it and put over 20k on the clock.

Also, and I know will get the usual blah blah on here, I wouldnt be seen dead in a Skoda. Just my personal preference but I still hate the look of a Skoda badge on a car. Maybe the Skoda name will be better in a few years but for the minute I will stick with my VW badge:D

Big Nelly,
No I don’t own a skoda, but I have and still do consider it as a viable good quality car, I was merely pointing out that you will get a newer low mileage Octavia for the same price as an older low mileage Passat in general for below 17k euros.


Link to passats for sale:

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=search&MakeID=32&xMakeID=32&ColourID=&xColourID=&ModelID=283&xModelID=283&Doors=&BodyID=&Engine_Min=&Year_Min=&Engine_Max=1900&Year_Max=&Price_Min=1&Price_Min_integer=Minimum+price+entered+was+not+an+integer.&CountyID=&xCountyID=&Price_Max=18000&Price_Max_integer=Maximum+price+entered+was+not+an+integer.&BusinessID=&xBusinessID=&IsPrivateSale=&FuelID=2&SortBy=MakeAsc&MaxRows=100&InsertPeriod=&ResultFormat=&submit=Find+%3E%3E

Link to Octavia for sale:
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=search&MakeID=28&xMakeID=28&ColourID=&xColourID=&ModelID=248&xModelID=248&Doors=&BodyID=&Engine_Min=1800&Year_Min=&Engine_Max=1900&Year_Max=&Price_Min=1&Price_Min_integer=Minimum+price+entered+was+not+an+integer.&CountyID=&xCountyID=&Price_Max=18000&Price_Max_integer=Maximum+price+entered+was+not+an+integer.&BusinessID=&xBusinessID=&IsPrivateSale=&FuelID=2&SortBy=MakeAsc&MaxRows=100&InsertPeriod=&ResultFormat=&submit=Find+%3E%3E

Regarding quality have a look at this and tell me how many VW’s are in the top 10
Compared to Skodas:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/survey/top_10.shtml

maidhc

Big Nelly wrote:

Maybe in some circles but anyone I know wouldnt be seen dead in it.

That is just a very subjective opinion based on a flying arrow rather than a VW filling a circle in the middle of the grille.

Topcat101

Moanin wrote:

Good price for that Passat.Normal milleage for a 2 year old diesel.Check that it has full service history.

One ower bought it from the same garage, they have full service history for it so they say anyway.

Topcat101

Big Nelly wrote:

Is it the sports model? if so I would get it, lovely car. A friend of mine bought a 02 6-speed sports model a few weeks before I bought mine and he loves it.




Do you own a Skoda?

I laugh when on every thread someone posts about a Skoda, does everyone on here that posts about them own one or is it just you seen someone else post about the price of them and thought you would look good if you posted on the next thread you see?

The Skoda is nothing compared to a highling/comfortline/sportsline Passat, compare them to the baseline Passat in most situations. Yes they are made by VW but I can assure you they keep the best stuff for the Passat. The Passat is twice the car and holds it value great, I lost 500 quid on my 00 Passat for the year I drove it and put over 20k on the clock.

Also, and I know will get the usual blah blah on here, I wouldnt be seen dead in a Skoda. Just my personal preference but I still hate the look of a Skoda badge on a car. Maybe the Skoda name will be better in a few years but for the minute I will stick with my VW badge:D

Not sure of the model, must be comfortline.

Insteresting replies so far kind of confrimed what I thought....

Skoda no resale value compared to the rest.

Audi do they have a 130hp 1.9TDI model ?

No one back on the corolla D4D....

JackieChan

Topcat,
Yes, Audi do have a 1.9tdi 130bhp. Check carzone/cbg, there should be quite a few.
Have one myself.
Drove from Portlaoise to Galway(through Birr and Portumna) on the backroads last Sunday and had an average mpg of 48. So that was good.
JC

prospect

Big Nelly wrote:

I wouldnt be seen dead in a Skoda. Just my personal preference but I still hate the look of a Skoda badge on a car. Maybe the Skoda name will be better in a few years but for the minute I will stick with my VW badge:D

Yes, because the VW badge is the epitome of everything in motoring!
:rolleyes:

Big Nelly

prospect wrote:

Yes, because the VW badge is the epitome of everything in motoring!
:rolleyes:

Well the resale value is great on a VW, Skoda its nothing. Also I am talking about a VW in regards to the Skoda. Your the one mentioned everything in motoring

Regarding quality have a look at this and tell me how many VW’s are in the top 10
Compared to Skodas:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/survey/top_10.shtml

When talking about all the cars in this bracket TopGear said the Passat and some other car would be the only one they would buy themselves.

ot sure of the model, must be comfortline.

Insteresting replies so far kind of confrimed what I thought....

Skoda no resale value compared to the rest.

Audi do they have a 130hp 1.9TDI model ?

No one back on the corolla D4D....

Yeah no re-sale value on Skoda and limited market as well. The VW will sell alot quicker and dealer snap up second hand ones as a trade in no problem with a good price.

Check if comfortline. Also what extras are included. If not that many then look at a UK import. Plenty of garages bringing them in if you dont want to yourself

Mc-BigE

Big Nelly wrote:

Well the resale value is great on a VW, Skoda its nothing.

Trade-in price on all cars is shocking, especially if you've bought from new.
Take the 3 series, supposed to be the least deprecating car,
A new 320d m sport is 54k new that car will be worth at a guess 25K in 4 years time! (A loss of 29K deprecation)
A new skoda tdi will cost 30K for the 140bhp one and in 4 years I’d guess it will be worth around 13K.(a loss of 17K deprecation)

Big Nelly wrote:

When talking about all the cars in this bracket TopGear said the Passat and some other car would be the only one they would buy themselves..

Were does it say that?

Big Nelly

Mc-BigE wrote:

Were does it say that?

Well if you are quoting top gear I guess you watch it? well they said it in one episode and had a board and all up with all the cars in that range. They are replaying all the epsiodes on TV at the moment, it was on last week

Mc-BigE

Ok I’ll watch with interest next time its on, which will be very soon on UKTVGold2!

Anyway, were going off topic here a bit:

If I was in Topcats situation with 17K to spend, I would be looking at the tried and tested 1.9 TDI engine in the A4/A6/passat/Octavia and even Seat. Its pretty much a bullet proof engine.

Your not going to get a BMW 320d for that money (maybe a 136bhp 99/00 model with high mileage)

The Audi will probably be too old (b5 model) for 17K or with high mileage.

The passat will be 2002/3 model with low to average mileage

The skoda will be 2005 model with low mileage.

Not too sure about the seat but do a search if you want.

The corolla diesel, don’t know enough about it to comment.

Big Nelly

Friend has a Seat and its like a base line Passat inside. Same engine more or less. Isnt VW doing the Seats as well as the Skoda?

KELTICKNIGHTT

Big Nelly wrote:

Is it the sports model? if so I would get it, lovely car. A friend of mine bought a 02 6-speed sports model a few weeks before I bought mine and he loves it.




Do you own a Skoda?

I laugh when on every thread someone posts about a Skoda, does everyone on here that posts about them own one or is it just you seen someone else post about the price of them and thought you would look good if you posted on the next thread you see?

The Skoda is nothing compared to a highling/comfortline/sportsline Passat, compare them to the baseline Passat in most situations. Yes they are made by VW but I can assure you they keep the best stuff for the Passat. The Passat is twice the car and holds it value great, I lost 500 quid on my 00 Passat for the year I drove it and put over 20k on the clock.

Also, and I know will get the usual blah blah on here, I wouldnt be seen dead in a Skoda. Just my personal preference but I still hate the look of a Skoda badge on a car. Maybe the Skoda name will be better in a few years but for the minute I will stick with my VW badge:D

you one of those??????????????
scoda parts are sed in passat which are over priced

Big Nelly

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote:

you one of those??????????????
scoda parts are sed in passat which are over priced

One of whats?

Think you will find its parts from the Passat that are put into the Skoda. What is a scoda?

Passat hold there value

KELTICKNIGHTT

Big Nelly wrote:

One of whats?

Think you will find its parts from the Passat that are put into the Skoda. What is a scoda?

Passat hold there value

have friends that work at vw dealership and they use skoda and seat parts in vw as they make more out of the service
as far as get more for vw,only paying for the name,any dealer would tell you that,old news

KELTICKNIGHTT

Big Nelly wrote:

One of whats?

Think you will find its parts from the Passat that are put into the Skoda. What is a scoda?

Passat hold there value

one of those that are small ,when talking about a badge,

Topcat101

JackieChan wrote:

Topcat,
Yes, Audi do have a 1.9tdi 130bhp. Check carzone/cbg, there should be quite a few.
Have one myself.
Drove from Portlaoise to Galway(through Birr and Portumna) on the backroads last Sunday and had an average mpg of 48. So that was good.
JC

Audi too expensive for my blood, 25K for 2003 model !

Think VW is my best bet.

css

Topcat101 wrote:

Think VW is my best bet.

So you get to look forward to that 1000 euro timing belt change every 60k miles...

You either want power or you want mpg, a 1.4 diesel will do much better mpg, and still be driveable. Relatively speaking.

Sparky

Big Nelly wrote:

Bought a UK import about 2 weeks ago. Cost me a few quid but price can be seen on link below. Its the 130hp model and its a dream to move. I had the 90Bhp model before hand and you wouldnt believe the power difference. I would never go for less than the 130Bhp again.

Also your doing alot of driving like myself, is it motor way or city? the onboard computer in town says Im doing about 20-40Mpg and using cruise control on motor way will go from 55-65Mpg which is very good

Also the UK import have alot more extra as you can see from my car, compare it with an irish one and you are lucky to have front electric windows and maybe alloys

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=363095

I see you got yours from VK motors. Thats where I got my car also, and it was a UK import also. I always find their prices are great for cars.

Squirrel

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote:

have friends that work at vw dealership and they use skoda and seat parts in vw as they make more out of the service
as far as get more for vw,only paying for the name,any dealer would tell you that,old news

You do know that they aren't different parts for the VW and Skoda, they cost the dealers the same amount.

And I'm speaking first hand instead of a friend who works in a garage. I used to work in a large Dublin VW/Audi dealer. The boxes have the VW, Audi and Skoda badges on them. Some also had the Seat but not all.

gyppo

Friend has a Seat and its like a base line Passat inside. Same engine more or less. Isnt VW doing the Seats as well as the Skoda?

I cant agree with this, I'm afraid. Certainly the Passat is a fine car, but I didnt know that a baseline passat came with :
4 Electric windows
Climate control,
Cruise control,
rain sensing wipers,
auto dim rearview mirror,
traction control,
heated electric folding mirrors,
alloys,
etc....

Which are all available on a Toledo Signum for a lot less money.

Oh, and BTW, its a nicer handling car too!

If you intend holding onto the car for a good while, the smart money goes on the Seat.
If you intend changing sooner, then the VW makes more sense.

bazz26

Topcat101 wrote:

Audi do they have a 130hp 1.9TDI model ?

Yes, the same 130bhp engine that is in the Passat is also in the Audi A4. The A4 shares alot of parts with the Passat but costs more.

Another one to look at is the Skoda Superb. Again based on the Passat (it even looks like the Passat except for the Skoda grill). The rear of the Superb is massive and so is the boot.

Skoda Superb:
http://www.parkers.co.uk/choosing/carreviews/gallery/?img=3&model_id=816&category=Static%20exterior

KELTICKNIGHTT

Squirrel wrote:

You do know that they aren't different parts for the VW and Skoda, they cost the dealers the same amount.

And I'm speaking first hand instead of a friend who works in a garage. I used to work in a large Dublin VW/Audi dealer. The boxes have the VW, Audi and Skoda badges on them. Some also had the Seat but not all.

used to own a skoda and saw all /audi/seat.vw.skoda on part boxs,

colm_mcm

It's not a big sercet that Skoda use VW engines and all major components is it?

KELTICKNIGHTT

Seen how they own them,no its not

colm_mcm

so what's the big deal about the common parts using communal boxes?

Fiat.Lancia/Alfa have been doing it for years.

Also whoever said that the Skoda servicing parts are cheaper is talking rubbish.

KELTICKNIGHTT

IF the guys in garage in dealership say it is,why should l beleave otherwise

gyppo

Re: the servicing/parts cost of VW versus skoda

On some english consumer programme ( The one with Esther Ranzten I think, this is a long time ago) 3 cars

VW Polo
Seat Ibiza
Skoda fabia

were brought to respective dealers for something like a replacement last section of exhaust.

VW were 2/3rds more expensize than skoda, with seat somewhere in between. The replacement part no. was the same for all 3 cars.

Squirrel

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote:

IF the guys in garage in dealership say it is,why should l beleave otherwise

The parts cost the same, if anything labour would be different between garages.

Mc-BigE

Squirrel wrote:

The parts cost the same, if anything labour would be different between garages.

try driving into a Skoda/Seat garage with your A4 or Passat for a service?

hmmm... i wonder would they do it for starters and would it be cheaper?

Big Nelly

Mc-BigE wrote:

try driving into a Skoda/Seat garage with your A4 or Passat for a service?

hmmm... i wonder would they do it for starters and would it be cheaper?

Parts are not the problem, its the cost of labour.

ando

so the moral of the story is that SEAT is a good balance between Skoda and VW. Oh I just spotted a SEAT TDi for sale here

Mc-BigE wrote:

hmmm... i wonder would they do it for starters and would it be cheaper?

always wondered if the skoda dealer would service my car, must check it out for the future

Mc-BigE

Nice car Ando!, your going from 110bhp to 180(i think or is it 200)bhp for the Cupra R, that will be some jump, just remember its harder to go down then up,

i went from 265bhp Audi S4 to 150bhp BMW 320d touring!:(

i miss the punch of the Bi-turbo's (but not the 23mpg!)

good luck!

Topcat101

css wrote:

So you get to look forward to that 1000 euro timing belt change every 60k miles...

You either want power or you want mpg, a 1.4 diesel will do much better mpg, and still be driveable. Relatively speaking.

That seem very steep, usally costs around 300E on any car I've ever had.
All petrol so far.

I'm sure a non VW garage can do it much cheaper ??

bazz26

Topcat101 wrote:

That seem very steep, usally costs around 300E on any car I've ever had.
All petrol so far.

I'm sure a non VW garage can do it much cheaper ??

The old Passat has it's engine mounted length ways rather than transverse. This makes it harder and more time consuming to get at the timing belt. It is the labour that costs the most not the parts. An independant mechanic will still have to charge you for his time although it will may not be as expensive as the ripoff VW stealers.

Topcat101

Talked to the guy in the garage yesterday, Price 19k don't think he'll move much. 52k on the clock. Comfortline '03 black.

What you think ?

This timing belt sh*t is putting me off a bit extra 1 k in 6 months time.

billsteersnose

I just bought an '01 Passat 1.9 Deisel and I'm very happy with it.
It's got 47k on teh clock and I got it for 13,500

Topcat101

billsteersnose wrote:

I just bought an '01 Passat 1.9 Deisel and I'm very happy with it.
It's got 47k on teh clock and I got it for 13,500

what model ?

yellow012

Mc-BigE wrote:

Ok I’ll watch with interest next time its on, which will be very soon on UKTVGold2!

Anyway, were going off topic here a bit:

If I was in Topcats situation with 17K to spend, I would be looking at the tried and tested 1.9 TDI engine in the A4/A6/passat/Octavia and even Seat. Its pretty much a bullet proof engine.

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The skoda will be 2005 model with low mileage.
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It would be a Mk1 Octavia for that money..
You won't get a 2005 MK2 Octavia tdi for €17.5k, your talking approx €19.5-20k in a private sale, €21k at a dealer. I know because I sold one recently.

Big Nelly

Topcat101 wrote:

Talked to the guy in the garage yesterday, Price 19k don't think he'll move much. 52k on the clock. Comfortline '03 black.

What you think ?

This timing belt sh*t is putting me off a bit extra 1 k in 6 months time.

Have a mate who in the races was talking his friend is selling a 6 speed 03 Passat, wine with all the extra's. Not sure what price but if interested then give me a PM. He just bought a brand new 06 one and didnt trade in