soccer or rugby - the greatest

thebaz

with Champions league semis starting tonight, and upcoming world cup this summer . Then the game on Sunday , dividing Ireland , in the other code ... which is the greatest . .. i prefer soccer .. last years champions league final , Ireland beating Romania in '90 . But then ... a real class rugby game is probably more exciting .. France beating New Zealand in '99 World Cup , Lions in South Africa in '97. I suppose with Ireland doing better in Rugby , the local interest is more intense now . think i'll sit on the fence.

county

soccer by a country mile

Royale with Cheese

You're less likely to see a bad rugby game than you are a bad soccer game... but it's still gotta be soccer for me. Hey bobby, what is the french for va va voom?

Terry

gaelic football FTW

casanova_kid

You can't really compare the two sports. I love both of them but i'd have to say my real passion would be football, just from years of watching world cups, premierships and champions leagues go by, as well as playing for a team.

MrJoeSoap

Its all down to a persons opinion, neither sport is "better" than the other, its just that people prefer one over the other.

I'm personally soccer mental, so my choice goes with that.

_blank_

Soccer.

Thank You.

Kinetic^

Basketball.

youcancallmeal

I would have to say rugby. Diving in soccer just makes it so irritating to watch.

I kind of think that rugby players are more passionate than soccer players but soccer fans are more passionate than rugby fans

martyFarty

"Football involves players pretending to be injured when they're not, whereas Rugby involves players pretending not to be injured when they are."

Beer is Life

martyFarty wrote:

"Football involves players pretending to be injured when they're not, whereas Rugby involves players pretending not to be injured when they are."

Soccer:A gentlemans game played by hooligans

Rugby:A hooligans game played by gentlemen

Rugby for me!

PowerHouseDan

Rugby.Soccer players are overpaid... Rugby players do it cause they love it.

johnp

PowerHouseDan wrote:

Rugby.Soccer players are overpaid... Rugby players do it cause they love it.

I agree that soccer players are overpaid.
But the rugby guys would take the money, if it were offered

Hermione*

PowerHouseDan wrote:

Rugby.Soccer players are overpaid... Rugby players do it cause they love it.

One of my favourite things about rugby. It'd have to be rugby tbh. Think of all the passion that the local rugby game can generate, and compare that to the League of Ireland or whatever it's called. No contest imo.

klash

Rugby well over soccer. I'm not saying all soccer players/matches are diving bores/crap but the vast vast majority of it is.

I find it hard not to hang my head when i see our own "national" team doing it. Absolutely pathetic. Its like a crowd of 10 year olds playing anymore, not men.

Anyways, Hurling is a far far far better game then Either of them.

Mossy Monk

soccer please

tonights game should be great and tomorrows game, i cant ****ing wait. days holidays booked from work for it

ferdi

i love both equally but....

PowerHouseDan wrote:

Rugby.Soccer players are overpaid... Rugby players do it cause they love it.

i'd have to agree with that, plus all the diving in pro soccer is sickening at this stage...

plus if we are talking intenational matches - at least the irish rugby team players are irish rather than english.

SpAcEd OuT

Rugby, a lot more exciting to watch and the players are a lot more passionate

Royale with Cheese

ferdi wrote:

plus if we are talking intenational matches - at least the irish rugby team players are irish rather than english.

That is true, but in Rugby I really don't agree with the three year nationalisation rule. My dad is Welsh so I'm a Welsh rugby fan. I was kind of sick of the non Welsh players, without even any Welsh relations of any kind playing for Wales in the Henry era. There were people who'd won a couple of caps for the all blacks playing for Wales. Although I think now that if you've won caps for one nation you can't go on and play for another. In the Welsh team now I think it's just Hal Luscombe left.

Edit: Actually I've just remembered the said players claimed to have Welsh relations but just totally made that up. Were banned from playing for Wales until they were living in the country for 3 years. Brett Sinkinson (sp?) went on to play for Wales again, Shane Howarth didn't.

super_furry

Football is the people's game. Around the world, rich and poor, it's a universal language. Rugby is for posh kids.

ferdi

super_furry wrote:

Football is the people's game. Around the world, rich and poor, it's a universal language. Rugby is for posh kids.

thats a bit of a stupid comment. posh schools in ireland happen to play rugby, thats it - in france it is the kids from the estates who end up on the national team. also soccer is 'the people's' game because its so simple to play. all you need is a patch of ground and a roundish ball. a rugby game isnt quite so easy to set up.

klash

super_furry wrote:

Football is the people's game. Around the world, rich and poor, it's a universal language. Rugby is for posh kids.

No to GAA in Tallaght ?

Whys that then ?

Firstly the GAA were the backwards ones for not letting soccer/rugby into Croke Park and now your a. Not going to let the GAA into Landsdowne and b. Not going to let the GAA into Tallaght.

Why ?

super_furry

klash wrote:

No to GAA in Tallaght ?

Whys that then ?

Firstly the GAA were the backwards ones for not letting soccer/rugby into Croke Park and now your a. Not going to let the GAA into Landsdowne and b. Not going to let the GAA into Tallaght.

Why ?

Because if GAA is to be accomodated in Tallaght Stadium, the existing stand will have to be demolished, the capacity will be massively reduced and the building process will be delayed even more. The same is true of Lansdowne Road.

The land is simpy too small to accomodate the much bigger GAA pitch. However, despite this the GAA are still trying to scupper Rovers move to Tallaght, not for sporting reasons, but for fear that a local football team in an area as big as Tallaght will lead youngersters away from GAA.

The GAA have made no secret of their desire to keep Rovers out of Tallaght and all their bluster about 'being the last one's standing' shows that it's not a sporting issue, it's an attempt to kill off the 'garrison games.'

The GAA have had hundreds of millions of euros in government funding over the last few years and I wouldn't begrudge them that, however when the government looks to fund a rival sport then we see their true faces.

Getting back on topic, I (and many other Rovers supporters) wouldn't have a problem with rugby being played there. It wouldn't affect the capacity or the building plans and could provide Leinster rugby with a much needed working class aspect to the game.

Hermione*

super_furry wrote:

Football is the people's game. Around the world, rich and poor, it's a universal language. Rugby is for posh kids.

Go to Moyross in Limerick, or somewhere similar, and say that. Rugby may be mostly played by well-off boys in Dublin, but it's not that way everywhere. My Dad played schools rugby in the fifties, and his parents lived in a house with five/six rooms beside Thomond Park, I'd hardly call him posh :rolleyes:
In Wales, rugby is the national sport, far more popular than soccer, with all sections of society.

super_furry

In fairness, that was a tongue in check comment and I realise that Munster rugby is totally different to the elitist Leinster scene, which is why I believe that if rugby is played in Tallaght Stadium it could shake things up a bit. There's a decent article on Tallaght's new rugby team here - www.unison.ie/sportsdesk/stories.php3?ca=15&si=1595669

klash

super_furry wrote:

The land is simpy too small to accomodate the much bigger GAA pitch. However, despite this the GAA are still trying to scupper Rovers move to Tallaght, not for sporting reasons, but for fear that a local football team in an area as big as Tallaght will lead youngersters away from GAA.

So basically your saying that its ok for Soccer to not accomodate GAA but its backwards for the GAA to not accomodate soccer ? Because thats what your saying, regardless of the issues you spelled out. Its not like soccer can just be played in Croker either.

The GAA have made no secret of their desire to keep Rovers out of Tallaght and all their bluster about 'being the last one's standing' shows that it's not a sporting issue, it's an attempt to kill off the 'garrison games.'

The GAA are this countrys leading sporting organisation, they're allowing Rugby and Soccer into Croker to accomodate those sports and those sports fans and you accuse them of trying to kill off soccer by them asking to play in 2 of the Soccer/Rugby stadiums ?

Seems to me its the FAI who are the backward sectarians now doesn't it.

The GAA have had hundreds of millions of euros in government funding over the last few years and I wouldn't begrudge them that, however when the government looks to fund a rival sport then we see their true faces.

Have they now ? So the GAA got hundreds of millions and the FAI got nothing ?

The FAI gets plenty of funding, they waste it. The Eircom league doesn't even qualify to be called a joke, how many clubs are bankrupt ? Whats the attendances like ? And the FAI don't even have a national stadium.

Getting back on topic, I (and many other Rovers supporters) wouldn't have a problem with rugby being played there. It wouldn't affect the capacity or the building plans and could provide Leinster rugby with a much needed working class aspect to the game.

So why is the GAA expected to allow you in when you won't allow us in ?

Rb

martyFarty wrote:

"Football involves players pretending to be injured when they're not, whereas Rugby involves players pretending not to be injured when they are."

I completely agree with that and

PowerHouseDan wrote:

Rugby.Soccer players are overpaid... Rugby players do it cause they love it.

Rugby ftw.

MrJoeSoap

klash wrote:

The FAI gets plenty of funding, they waste it. The Eircom league doesn't even qualify to be called a joke, how many clubs are bankrupt ? Whats the attendances like ? And the FAI don't even have a national stadium.

Any idea how much funding the FAI gets compared to the GAA? And how exactly the money the FAI gets is spent?

I'll give you a hand getting the 2005 Grant Figures as a starting point...

http://193.178.1.186/grants_funding/2005_sportgrants.html

The FAI gets roughly €3m...

blu_sonic

Hermione* wrote:

One of my favourite things about rugby. It'd have to be rugby tbh. Think of all the passion that the local rugby game can generate, and compare that to the League of Ireland or whatever it's called. No contest imo.

you go to many league of ireland or whatever its called game?

think 1st, talk 2nd.

blu_sonic

klash wrote:

So basically your saying that its ok for Soccer to not accomodate GAA but its backwards for the GAA to not accomodate soccer ? Because thats what your saying, regardless of the issues you spelled out. Its not like soccer can just be played in Croker either.



The GAA are this countrys leading sporting organisation, they're allowing Rugby and Soccer into Croker to accomodate those sports and those sports fans and you accuse them of trying to kill off soccer by them asking to play in 2 of the Soccer/Rugby stadiums ?

Seems to me its the FAI who are the backward sectarians now doesn't it.



Have they now ? So the GAA got hundreds of millions and the FAI got nothing ?

The FAI gets plenty of funding, they waste it. The Eircom league doesn't even qualify to be called a joke, how many clubs are bankrupt ? Whats the attendances like ? And the FAI don't even have a national stadium.



So why is the GAA expected to allow you in when you won't allow us in ?

1st off he is talking about Tallaght Stadium not Lansdown or Croker, (Most of us Rovers fans couldn't really care about the latter 2)

2nd how is he saying "So basically your saying that its ok for Soccer to not accomodate GAA but its backwards for the GAA to not accomodate soccer?"?

thirdly are the GAA doing the soccer/rugby thing out of the goodness of their heart? no for a bloody big pay day.

4th off do you not understand that football stadiums cannot fit a GAA pitch into them, you would need to knock down the stand in Tallaght to accomadate the pitch. its a question of size, the answer change the pitch demensions of a GAA.


"The FAI gets plenty of funding, they waste it. The Eircom league doesn't even qualify to be called a joke, how many clubs are bankrupt ? Whats the attendances like ? And the FAI don't even have a national stadium. this is a bone of contention we also have with the FAI we'd like the money put into our league.

we as rovers don't expect the GAA to let us "in" we won't be letting your lot "in". IMO the Gaa are a greedy bunch of backward old men, frightend of competition and change. I used to love and play both football and hurling, but the GAA sickens me, i doubt I'll be going back to them

klash

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Any idea how much funding the FAI gets compared to the GAA? And how exactly the money the FAI gets is spent?

I'll give you a hand getting the 2005 Grant Figures as a starting point...

http://193.178.1.186/grants_funding/2005_sportgrants.html

The FAI gets roughly €3m...

And ?

Like both

Also:
"Soccer is played by women with balls, rugby is played by men with odd shaped balls"

WallysWorld

super_furry wrote:

Football is the people's game. Around the world, rich and poor, it's a universal language. Rugby is for posh kids.

Wrong, i went to a small rural traditionally Gaa school in which rugby had only been introduced 10 years before I got there, it thrived and we had a lot of succsess' in my time there. Point being outside of Dublin it tends not too matter whether your 'posh' or not you play becuse you love the game, or in my case if your crap at football and soccer!:D Its a stereotype really in the same way that soccer is supposed to be the 'lower class' game, not true.

V9

county wrote:

soccer by a country mile

Amen, AMEN!

MrJoeSoap

klash wrote:

And ?

You said the FAI got plenty of funding and they wasted it, I said they only got €3m (a pathetic sum compared to the GAA) and asked you how the FAI wasted it.

You haven't answered yet....

klash

blu_sonic wrote:

1st off he is talking about Tallaght Stadium not Lansdown or Croker, (Most of us Rovers fans couldn't really care about the latter 2)

Point taken.

thirdly are the GAA doing the soccer/rugby thing out of the goodness of their heart? no for a bloody big pay day.

1. I wouldn't have let soccer or rugby or anything else in but not for the reasons every anti-GAA bigot says.

2. The GAA are letting them in. Isn't that good enough ? Of course they are charging for it. Do you think that the IRFU wouldn't charge another organisation to use their stadium ?

4th off do you not understand that football stadiums cannot fit a GAA pitch into them, you would need to knock down the stand in Tallaght to accomadate the pitch. its a question of size, the answer change the pitch demensions of a GAA.

1. Croke park is not entirely suited to Soccer/Rugby. They're changing it to suit UEFA rules.
2. Whatever about the development plan for Tallaght which i know little about, what about the development of Landsdowne ?

Its very obvious who the bigots are in this country and its not the GAA.
The GAA may have had a rule to not allow other sports the use of their facilities but they are allowing it. The FAI are the bigots who have the unwritten rule to not allow GAA.

we as rovers don't expect the GAA to let us "in" we won't be letting your lot "in".

So its ok for your gang to say that but not the GAA ?

IMO the Gaa are a greedy bunch of backward old men, frightend of competition and change. I used to love and play both football and hurling, but the GAA sickens me, i doubt I'll be going back to them

The FAI are the ones frightened of competition and change, the first plans for Landsdowne rd would have being big enough for GAA but then they changed them.

Explain this to me. If we're the backward organisation frightened of change then why do we have the modern world class stadium ? Why are we more popular then either soccer or rugby ? Why is the Eircom league an absolute joke of a competition ? Why are we allowing YOU into our stadium while your building a new one that won't accomodate us ?

I support all sports i have any interest in, i'm even known to watch a soccer match once in a while. I don't know a single GAA fan who doesn't watch some other sport.

What i can't stand is the soccer bigots in this country, nothing but a group of little thugs who have to be segregated at matches and are just as bad as any soccer hooligans the world has to offer. Spend the whole weekend drinking in the pub watching a foreign competition.

thebaz

One of the reasons for the sucess of the Premiership, and English football was the physical side to it and 100% commitment, which is sadly diminishing today . Spanish and Italian footy although technically better , can lack commitment and be boring , with lots of diving . It makes me laugh when you hear commentators now getting so upset about the odd dig thrown , the BBC brigade , Linekar , LeSaux , etc. are up in arms , with constant replays , calling for life bans . Meanwhile the likes of O'Connell , O'Callaghan even O'Driscoll , take whats going and give some back . Basically rugby is still a mans game.

klash

MrJoeSoap wrote:

You said the FAI got plenty of funding and they wasted it, I said they only got €3m (a pathetic sum compared to the GAA) and asked you how the FAI wasted it.

You haven't answered yet....

So how much did the GAA get ? How many GAA clubs compared to Soccer clubs were awarded grants ? How many soccer clubs exist compared to GAA clubs ? Many GAA clubs have 2 sports to finance and all the underage teams and lets not forget the Ladies football and Camogie.

Does the figures given to the GAA clubs reflect that ?

padi89

I would choose Soccer over Rugby although they can be as exciting as one another.Personally i hate that expression "Rugby is a mans game" is it more physical yes ,is it anymore skillfull no.

Lump

Rugby..... It's both a mans game, and more skilled.

Ruu_Old

American football of course* *tries not to laugh*








*yeah right..rugby ftw!

county

Lump wrote:

Rugby..... It's both a mans game, and more skilled.

theres a lot of skill in standing on someones head,fist fights and this is accepted in rugby as a part of the game,fisty cuffs i think the term is

Ruu_Old

county wrote:

theres a lot of skill in standing on someones head,fist fights and this is accepted in rugby as a part of the game,fisty cuffs i think the term is

Theres nearly as many fights in soccer these days as there in rugby tbh.

RuggieBear

Rugby is a far superior game. and much more skilfull.

Find myself drifting off when watching soccer games...

Dagnir Glaurung

Soccer for me. Rugby Union(which everyone seems to be talking about) bores the crap out of me. Rugby League is much better to watch.

Cricket ftw:D

ferdi

have to agree ruggie, i find it very easy to get bored when watching the soccer, even champions league...but usually with rugger i'm glued to the set - even though i played soccer in school for years and never really went near rugby.

RuggieBear

Dagnir Glaurung wrote:

Soccer for me. Rugby Union(which everyone seems to be talking about) bores the crap out of me. Rugby League is much better to watch.

Cricket ftw:D

league is tedious....lot of running does not make an exciting game.

Cricket is of course a completely different ball game...:eek:

thebaz

Roy Keane was the embodiement of a Mans man - hard man - honest man - whatever - he stood apart from the 90's Spice Boys who were not fit to wear the green of Ireland - Babb, O'Neill, Kennedy etc. who seemed only to come over to Ireland to appear on Pat Kenny , and then amuse themselves in Lillies blowing there millions. This type of Spice Boy has not really appeared in Irish rugby , apart from Henson , and you saw reception he got. With Keane sadly gone I have more affinity with Irish rugby team , than the buch of under achievers now donning the green.

Agamemnon

thebaz wrote:

Roy Keane was the embodiement of a Mans man - hard man - honest man - whatever - he stood apart from the 90's Spice Boys who were not fit to wear the green of Ireland - Babb, O'Neill, Kennedy etc. who seemed only to come over to Ireland to appear on Pat Kenny , and then amuse themselves in Lillies blowing there millions. This type of Spice Boy has not really appeared in Irish rugby , apart from Henson , and you saw reception he got. With Keane sadly gone I have more affinity with Irish rugby team , than the buch of under achievers now donning the green.

Bang on, thebaz! I love both sports but I prefer rugby now cos our national rugby team play with passion and give us something to shout about. The current crop of cabbages that pass for our national soccer team are a disgrace to the country.

padi89

Lump wrote:

Rugby..... It's both a mans game, and more skilled.

I would hardly call the likes of Gavin Henson manly,he is as bad as Beckham.I cant see how Ruby is anymore skilled than Soccer.Please explain?Both games are played by highly skilled athletes and both couldnt play the other for ****e.Boxing,now thats a mans game.

county

agamemnon wrote:

Bang on, thebaz! I love both sports but I prefer rugby now cos our national rugby team play with passion and give us something to shout about. The current crop of cabbages that pass for our national soccer team are a disgrace to the country.

so you only support when winning:rolleyes: