UCD Halting Site

The_Minister

Apparently there is going to be a halting site built on UCD. There is currently a spat about it between Brady and the local councilers. Brady wants it by Roebuck, and the councillors want it at Beech Hill. Does anyone have any info on this? size, capacity etc.? I was surprised that both the Observer and the Tribune have ignored this storey.

gliondar

:eek: So much for bike safety..... This has to be one of the dumbest proposals I've ever heard!

drdre

thats ridiculous as 2 of my friends bikes were robbed outside the sprots centre.we should keep them out.

humbert

Firespinner wrote:

Apparently there is going to be a halting site built on UCD. There is currently a spat about it between Brady and the local councilers. Brady wants it by Roebuck, and the councillors want it at Beech Hill. Does anyone have any info on this? size, capacity etc.? I was surprised that both the Observer and the Tribune have ignored this storey.

Ah firespinner your back:) If you didn't get this from the college 'papers' where did you get it, if it were to ever happen I expect there would be uproar over it.

singingstranger

This joke is 17 days old...

scop

Queue at least one hippie reply in which we all admit how terribly evil it is to assume bikes might be robbed in said situation.

Silyl idea, I dont think students and travellers are typically bed fellows.

Riamfada

I am horrified that you people in this day in age would immediatly associate a Traveller's community with thievery and danger to your personal belongings.
Saying that however this place WILL go to crap because they are a filthy people who destroy every landscape they infest (Busy Park Road, Templeogue Service Station Field and West Dublin) The proof is there. Keep them out of UCD or vandelism and crime WILL go sky high.

€20 withing the first week a bike will be in the lake. Any takers?

And incase any "hippies" or human rights enthusiasts come on , these people have had everything handed to them, pissed all over it and then complained about the state of their dwellings and that the taxpayer should give them more money. My hole, they had their chance . Call a Nazi a Nazi, call a pedophile a pedophile and call a Knacker a Knacker

Vainglory

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elmyra

The story was in the Southside People.

humbert

Is that seriously the name of a paper, classic:p

Royale with Cheese

My clothes, seriously my clothes... with no money, phone, wallet, anything of value besides some clothes which weren't even clean were taken from the changing rooms in the sports centre. Ok I didn't have a lock but I was thinking who the hell would want to take some clothes. Maybe they'd take the bag and search it later, but no my clothes weren't even in my bag. They were on the bottom of the locker with the bag on top. Somebody actually packed my shoes, dirty clothes and towel into my bag and then robbed them.

I talked to the manager after and was expecting the 'if you didn't have a lock line' but he thought the same as me, who the hell would want to take clothes. He reckoned somebody had moved them and they'd turn up the next day. Got me to fill out a report form and said he'd call me. Didn't hear anything so next time I was in I asked and they found nothing. God damn what kind of knacker steals somebody's clothes?

The_Minister

singingstranger wrote:

This joke is 17 days old...

Humbert wrote:

Ah firespinner your back If you didn't get this from the college 'papers' where did you get it, if it were to ever happen I expect there would be uproar over it.

While on my banishment to the nether world of After Hours, I dipped into the "real" world and read a local paper called the Southside People. This was brought up by Cllr O'Keefe (Green I think)

Scraggs

Royale with Cheese wrote:

My clothes, seriously my clothes... with no money, phone, wallet, anything of value besides some clothes which weren't even clean were taken from the changing rooms in the sports centre. Ok I didn't have a lock but I was thinking who the hell would want to take some clothes. Maybe they'd take the bag and search it later, but no my clothes weren't even in my bag.....................

Ok I'm sorry to lower the tone of this highly prejudiced thread, but I just have to ask.. did you have other clothes on??;)

Royale with Cheese

Scraggs wrote:

Ok I'm sorry to lower the tone of this highly prejudiced thread, but I just have to ask.. did you have other clothes on??;)

I just may have. Yeah I had to go home in the freezing cold and pissing rain on the 145 in my gym gear which can't have smelled too good with a towel slung over my shoulder. Great craic.

Sarn

This halting site has been debated about for years. I'd say it's local residents who'll have the biggest say.

singingstranger

Firespinner wrote:

April Fools...

The_Minister

Sarn wrote:

This halting site has been debated about for years. I'd say it's local residents who'll have the biggest say.

It sounds like its coming online soon

The_Minister

Here is a link to the article

Southside People wrote:

UCD chief asked to discuss plans
The president of UCD has been asked to meet with county councillors to discuss the implications for local residents of a 10 year development plan for the college.Hugh Brady, the president of UCD, unveiled his plans to transform the campus at Belfield at a cost of E400 million in the chambers of Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Council two weeks ago.
The proposal includes the construction of a 300-bedroom hotel, shops, a public plaza, new sports facilities, a cultural centre including a theatre and cinema, transport facilities, a new road network and an increase in the number of student accommodation units to 5,000.
At the briefing, Mr Brady said the aim is not only to create a sustainable living environment for the university's 30,000 students and staff, but also to open up the campus as an amenity to the local community.
He also spoke about engaging more with local communities through the Gateway project which will impact most on the local community. It includes proposals for the redesign of the pedestrian and road network. The current university entrance, considered dangerous and congested, would be redesigned under the plans.

Three ward councillors in Stillorgan - Louise Cosgrave (FG), Gerry Horkan (FF), and Gearoid O'Keefe (Ind) - have requested further discussions with Mr Brady on certain aspects of the proposals.
Last week, Cllr O'Keefe said he believed there was a need for UCD to accept the need for a comprehensive review of traffic management within the campus; particularly what he said could be the negative impact of 5,000 vehicle movements on to Foster's Avenue.
He also wants the college to change their support for what he described as the “flawed” Quality Bus Corridor linking Dundrum and Blackrock, a project which he claimed could have serious consequences for local residents.
Finally, Cllr O'Keefe wants UCD to agree to a site approved by local councillors for the location of a Traveller halting site on UCD lands at Beech Hill, as opposed to one on Roebuck Road.
Cllr O Keefe told Southside People last week: “While we see this as an exciting and dynamic plan for the college there are certain aspects of the proposals that we are going to have to thrash out. We want to know how the infrastructure will work and how it deals with traffic.
“This will have an effect on local residents in Owenstown Park and Foster Avenue from the point of view of traffic coming through Belfield.”
At the meeting two weeks ago, Mr Brady also spoke about opening up some of the woodlands on the grounds of UCD to the public. Cllr O'Keefe said he would like a guarantee from the college that they would do that.
He also warned that he would launch a campaign against the UCD development if the college authorities persisted in locating a halting site on Roebuck Road.
“I will vote against the material contravention of the development plan unless UCD accept the location that we have suggested,” Cllr O'Keefe added.
A spokesperson for UCD could not confirm whether Mr Brady would meet the councillors and said the college was unavailable for comment on the matters raised by councillor O'Keefe.

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Riamfada

Damn, it was all a hoax. Now i have the guns out. DAmn

The_Minister

singingstranger wrote:

April Fools...

This was printed after April Fools day

ferdi

i know its not a nice thing to say but the only problem i see is that wherever travellers are 'put', whether or not proper facilities are provided, they have a tendency of wrecking the place as Grimes mentioned, i've seen it time and time again.

hullaballoo

To what extent can anyone actually do anything about this? It looks like if it gets the go-ahead, that'll be that. It's not like we're in a position to kick up a fuss or anything. I don't think it's a good idea, and anyone who works alongside travellers will tell you it's not going to improve the bike-theft situation.

I suppose the best option for students in the future would be to demand that UCD pays for every item that's stolen. Not to accuse any particular bunch of people at all, but with many more non-students on campus, it's going to be harder to police, and that will result in unscrupulous people taking advantage, no matter what their race.

There would also need to be strict provisions with regard to waste, and I'd imagine UCD will have to pay for its removal.

The_Minister

hullaballoo wrote:

To what extent can anyone actually do anything about this? It looks like if it gets the go-ahead, that'll be that. It's not like we're in a position to kick up a fuss or anything. .

We can protest about the price of coffee but not this:rolleyes:. I'm fairly sure that it would get a bigger turnout then any modularisation protest

irlrobins

The ucd halting site has been on the cards for years and years. And no progress ever made on it. Local residents association oppose it. I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for this site to go ahead.

humbert

That's reassuring.

hullaballoo

Firespinner wrote:

We can protest about the price of coffee but not this:rolleyes:. I'm fairly sure that it would get a bigger turnout then any modularisation protest

Precisely. How could any student body take it one themselves to run, what is in effect a racist rally? No matter how we look at it, we cannot say that there is a valid non-discriminatory reason for opposing the site.

Anyway, as robin said, this may not come about and even if it does, it is unlikely that any current students will be affected.

The_Minister

hullaballoo wrote:

Precisely. How could any student body take it one themselves to run, what is in effect a racist rally? No matter how we look at it, we cannot say that there is a valid non-discriminatory reason for opposing the site.

Anyway, as robin said, this may not come about and even if it does, it is unlikely that any current students will be affected.

Is it racism if there is a verifiable statistical difference?

humbert

swap 'verifiable statistical difference' for previously witnessed inevitable consequence.

The_Minister

It could be just the thing to rekindle interest in the union.

HappyCrackHead

Excuse me for one moment? Since when did generations of interbreeding constitute a <b>seperate race</b>?

Anyone who knows me knows i have very liberal views. I also grew up in tallaght so i like to think im speaking from some kinda experience here. and trust me YOU DONT WANT THIS. I'm not gonna go down the road of "they've been given everything by the state" or that "they'd steal the eye out of your head and come back for the eyelid". The fact is that most people have enough anecdotal evidence to say that everyone's worst case scenarioes are extremely likely to become realities.

I LIKE the fact that i can come to UCD and know that it is a relatively safe place within the greater hell hole that is Dublin. The place might be a kip but its OUR kip. Sure it should be opened up to the public and provide amienities for the community but as we are so often reminded travellers are a seperate community (or as some of you seem to think "race").

Are services gonna go around asking travellers for Student cards and then removing them from campus for not having them? Cause if i tell services that i dont have a card thats what they threaten to do.

This positive discrimination and political correctness B.S. is just that; bull-fúckin-shít.

Can u imagine? residences been broken into? human faeces strewn around? the crap that they leave in their wake?

This isn't racism or xenophobia this is fact.

Pythia

They're trying to put them all over the place around here. Residents groups are very much against these plans and, as far as I know, my party opposes putting these halting sites in the area. (Not 100% sure).

Dave!

F*cking ridiculous idea, this better not go ahead. They'll f*ck up the campus like they f*ck up everything else. F*cking unreal, the cheek of these people!!! Is there no island off Galway that they can live on?

This bending-over habit the government and Gardaí seem to have adopted to deal with Travellers is bloody infuriating.

I hope ye all like dirty nappies, that's for sure.

HappyCrackHead

They'll all be bathing in the student centre swimming pool... pissing and shítting... should be funny.

Knowing how crap this country is chances are the halting site with nice little challettes, like the one on the cookstown road (adjacent to where i live) in tallaght does, will be finished before they even start on this home-sick abortion they call the new student centre.

ferdi

i'd love if they put a halting site on the Trinity cricket green in front of the pav:D

hullaballoo

HappyCrackHead wrote:

Excuse me for one moment? Since when did generations of interbreeding constitute a <b>seperate race</b>?

Anyone who knows me knows i have very liberal views. I also grew up in tallaght so i like to think im speaking from some kinda experience here. and trust me YOU DONT WANT THIS. I'm not gonna go down the road of "they've been given everything by the state" or that "they'd steal the eye out of your head and come back for the eyelid". The fact is that most people have enough anecdotal evidence to say that everyone's worst case scenarioes are extremely likely to become realities.

I LIKE the fact that i can come to UCD and know that it is a relatively safe place within the greater hell hole that is Dublin. The place might be a kip but its OUR kip. Sure it should be opened up to the public and provide amienities for the community but as we are so often reminded travellers are a seperate community (or as some of you seem to think "race").

Are services gonna go around asking travellers for Student cards and then removing them from campus for not having them? Cause if i tell services that i dont have a card thats what they threaten to do.

This positive discrimination and political correctness B.S. is just that; bull-fúckin-shít.

Can u imagine? residences been broken into? human faeces strewn around? the crap that they leave in their wake?

This isn't racism or xenophobia this is fact.

It seems pretty obvious that you haven't got a nancy what you're talking about. Have a look at some of this and try to gain some sort of perspective:
Note S. 3(2)(i): http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZA8Y2000S3.html
http://www.ilo.org/public/english/dialogue/ifpdial/sd/social_pacts/ire_pact_1.htm

As for coming from Tallaght, I come from Bray originally and I lived within a five minute walk from an illegal halting site for over 14 years. There was nothing to show that he travellers were any more criminal than the other scumbags in Bray. In fact, I personally would have a lot more time for travellers than for some of the absolute dregs of humanity that come out of that town.

Travellers don't see things the way we do, so we have to account for that to some extent.

The_Minister

The SU should do something - the lazy gits seem to have nothing better to do than pass meaningless motions and ****-stir on abortion.

rainbow kirby

As another proud Tallaghtfornian, I do have to say that you do NOT want this in the area. The amount of crap that they bring to the area - whether it's just the pure mess, the drunken loutishness, the general level of petty crime.. it's just not nice. Really, we don't want this.

scop

hullaballoo wrote:

As for coming from Tallaght, I come from Bray originally and I lived within a five minute walk from an illegal halting site for over 14 years. There was nothing to show that he travellers were any more criminal than the other scumbags in Bray. In fact, I personally would have a lot more time for travellers than for some of the absolute dregs of humanity that come out of that town.

Thats no reason to bring in dodgy people? I;m with Kev, from Tallaght too and any scumbags Ive had to deal with had nothing on the travellers round the square.

Consistent robberies right beside where they were, including myself and some friends. Turned the area into a complete tip.

Scumbags on the other hand may look intimadating but on the whole are more of a annoyance whereas travellers tend to be a Grade A **** your area up in no time kind of buzz.

Pythia

You know guys, this thread brings a tear to my eyes.
Here on the UCD forum, we may disagree about a lot of things, but on this topic, we are united!

Blowfish

Its kind of ridiculous that Hugh Brady wants to spend so much trying to improve the image of UCD, and no matter what anyone says bringing travellers onto campus definitely is going to bring the image down. I'm another one who lives near travellers, and trust me its not fun, they are on a patch of land near a football field, and you would have to be insane to actually want to play football there, as you would have to avoid glass, sofas, a burnt out moped, and who knows what else.

The_Minister

Pythia wrote:

You know guys, this thread brings a tear to my eyes.
Here on the UCD forum, we may disagree about a lot of things, but on this topic, we are united!

*hugs sister Pythia*

HappyCrackHead

hullaballoo wrote:

It seems pretty obvious that you haven't got a nancy what you're talking about. Have a look at some of this and try to gain some sort of perspective:
Note S. 3(2)(i): http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZA8Y2000S3.html
http://www.ilo.org/public/english/dialogue/ifpdial/sd/social_pacts/ire_pact_1.htm

Did you just google "travellers" and "irish government"? I'm offended by the suggestion that i do not have a "nancy" about what i'm talking about.

" (h) that they are of different race, colour, nationality or ethnic or national origins (the "ground of race"),

(i) that one is a member of the Traveller community and the other is not (the "Traveller community ground"),"

This for me implies that Travellers do not fall under the catagories mentioned in part (h). The idea that Travellers are a seperate race to the rest of the caucasians in the world is laughable at best.

I have perspective enough thank you. I believe that Travellers should be intergrated into the rest of irish society and therefore should be subject to the same standards as any other citizen.

hullaballoo wrote:

Travellers don't see things the way we do, so we have to account for that to some extent.

Tough fúcking shít. If i decide tomorrow that i dont have to obey the rules i would be put down like a dog by the state and rightly so. We have one law for everyone, or no one at all.

What if i was to say that i feel i am being discriminated against by travellers? That the travelling community as a whole, seen as it seems to be a power untue itself, owes me some kind of recompence for the time in my youth when i lived in fear due to incidents between myself and members of the travelling community?

You're talking out of two sides of your ass by bitching about settled folk and saying travellers should be treated specially. I believe that to live in an equal society we should all treat eachother as well or poorly regardless of whether your black, white, yellow, brown, red or just dirty and so on.

political correctness can go f*ck itself.

PC thugs

Dr. Octagon

That protest would be easy for the SU to organise

Instead of opposing travellers just oppose non-students becoming resident on campus! Would it be prejudice to oppose building a few housing estates on campus?

Anyway I'm sure this story is a steaming crock of ****e.

BTW You must be blind and illiterate if you think the Southside People is a real paper.

Pythia

Dr. Octagon wrote:

Anyway I'm sure this story is a steaming crock of ****e.

BTW You must be blind and illiterate if you think the Southside People is a real paper.

I doubt it, I've heard about this for years.

Dr. Octagon

hullaballoo wrote:

Travellers don't see things the way we do, so we have to account for that to some extent.

I don't see things the same way as you...can I do what I like and use that as an excuse?

ferdi

the SU wont touch anything that the PC Brigade might get offended at

Mr_Roger_Bongos

Mr_roger_bongos floats off and dreams of the future -

"Travelling community given the roebuck football field as a halting site",
which they occupy to capacity.

The residents are visited by some friends for the weekend. They deposit their caravans in the adjacent car park. Ucd is turning out to be a wonderful place, their visiting friends decide to stay - q arrival of balliffs, only to find the cars directly adjacent to the visiting caravans mysteriously plundered/burnt out!

Residents of the halting site can enjoy a delicious espresso in insomnia while overlooking all that they halt on, maybe browsing the quinn school/campus at their convenience. Soaking up some of the 'academic' ambiance the building has to offer.

---

U.C.D T-shirts go on sale, logo on the front, and on the back ;

"Oh no, my bike seems to be missing!"
"GO SEE THE 'Halted' Travellers"
"While typing on it, your laptop suddenly vanishes before your very eyes"
"GO SEE THE 'Halted' Traverllers"
"Where'd i put me pen?"
"GO SEE THE 'Halted' Travellers"

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I'd shudder to think what would happen if a student was assaulted on campus and the 'halted' travellers were accused;

Possibility 1) - Ucd wakes up to find the Roebuck football field a deserted no-mans land

Possibility 2) - Riot? Students vs. travellers (and i'd bet they'd be calling for re-enforcements)

Ah well, at least we'll be able to pick up some cheap powertools/clothes/cars/generators/pens/jewellry/.........

ferdi

i could do with some used carpets, i welcome our travelling cousins with open arms.

Scraggs

You know guys, this thread brings a tear to my eyes.
Here on the UCD forum, we may disagree about a lot of things, but on this topic, we are united!

Eh sorry guys but count me out:o I can't actually believe some of the stuff I'm reading!

I do agree that a halting-site in UCD isn't the best of ideas in a so called 'place of learning' but I'd feel exactly the same if they were going to build ordinary houses etc. [any non-student accommadation] on campus.

hullaballoo

HappyCrackHead wrote:

Did you just google "travellers" and "irish government"? I'm offended by the suggestion that i do not have a "nancy" about what i'm talking about.

No, I didn't, I'm a law student, and I've been reading this legislation for the past month.

" (h) that they are of different race, colour, nationality or ethnic or national origins (the "ground of race"),

(i) that one is a member of the Traveller community and the other is not (the "Traveller community ground"),"

This for me implies that Travellers do not fall under the catagories mentioned in part (h). The idea that Travellers are a seperate race to the rest of the caucasians in the world is laughable at best.

It says, "(i) that one is a member of the travelling community and the other is not (the "Traveller community ground")". I added emphasis to make it clearer, but it means that discriminating against one person because they are a traveller is a ground for discrimination. You have just misread the provision. It says "one" versus "the other" because in Irish law, you cannot discriminate against one person (or group of people) on their own, there has to be someone that you're not discriminating against as a sort of benchmark.

I have perspective enough thank you. I believe that Travellers should be intergrated into the rest of irish society and therefore should be subject to the same standards as any other citizen.

Why should they be? They don't want to be. You can't force people to become part of a race that they are not, just because you have prejudices. We don't force our culture on Muslims, and there's a good reason for that. By your logic, we should either keep Muslims out of the country, or else assimilate them into our culture. You try and do either. Guess what would happen.

Tough fúcking shít. If i decide tomorrow that i dont have to obey the rules i would be put down like a dog by the state and rightly so. We have one law for everyone, or no one at all.

The legal standards in this country are a constant. If you decided not to obey the rules, the exact same thing would happen to you as happens to everyone else in the country. The same applies to travellers. So that's a non-issue. If you remember my point, it's that we cannot prejudge these people because of their race (or however you want to term it).

What if i was to say that i feel i am being discriminated against by travellers? That the travelling community as a whole, seen as it seems to be a power untue itself, owes me some kind of recompence for the time in my youth when i lived in fear due to incidents between myself and members of the travelling community?

If you feel like that, take it to the courts. I'm sure those guys would be more than happy to do the same to you. You can plead nuisance in tort for certain things that travellers are notorious for. I would contend that travellers are not the only people you live in fear of. There are plenty of unfavourable characters in all walks of life, and you might just live beside a bad bunch of travellers. Your experiences certainly do not match mine, so which of us is right? There is no right. Neither of us can categorically say that our experiences with travellers is wholly reflective of the entire community.

You're talking out of two sides of your ass by bitching about settled folk and saying travellers should be treated specially. I believe that to live in an equal society we should all treat eachother as well or poorly regardless of whether your black, white, yellow, brown, red or just dirty and so on.

I never said anything like that. I only ever said that the entire community shouldn't all be tarred by that brush your wielding in angry-mob fashion. You can continue to flame me all you like, I'm not likely to get upset about something you have clearly taken me up wrong on.

political correctness can go f*ck itself.

PC thugs

I'm one of the most un-PC people I know. So, you can cross that one off your list of flaming remarks too.

*sigh* Back to Corporate Finance Law for me.

HappyCrackHead

I'm sorry but i never thought they should be forced to do anything, but abide by the same laws as the rest of the nation? You actually agree with me in the second part of the following quote. I've bolded parts you might not remember typing, what with ur head up ur ass.

hullaballoo wrote:

(HCH: this section is in relation to whether the travelling community should abide by the laws of the land) Why should they be? They don't want to be. You can't force people to become part of a race that they are not, just because you have prejudices. We don't force our culture on Muslims, and there's a good reason for that. By your logic, we should either keep Muslims out of the country, or else assimilate them into our culture. You try and do either. Guess what would happen.


The legal standards in this country are a constant. If you decided not to obey the rules, the exact same thing would happen to you as happens to everyone else in the country. The same applies to travellers. So that's a non-issue. If you remember my point, it's that we cannot prejudge these people because of their race (or however you want to term it).

They're a community... like say the student community of UCD who are entitled to their education unhindered by negative outside incursions. You'd be singing from a different hymm sheet if this halting site crap did come about and something bad happened to you or someone you know as a result.
One community is having another foisted upon it. The SU should complain about it. IT'S OUR university after all.

You said that settled people from bray were scum, you were referring to a minority yet tarred all those people with same brush you accuse me of using on the travelling community.

All i know is, is that there will always be people, in every community who behave illegally and inapproriately. However all stereotypes and reputations are based on actual truth. You cannot discount all anecdotal evidence which most people can attest to.

The reason there is ONLY anecdotal evidence is because its extremely hard to convict someone who has no fixed address, possibly no birth cert and lives in an insular nomadic society. People, myself included, have no desire to slander honest folk, but its not slander if the accusations are true if not unconfirmable.

I wont be replying to anymore of this thread as i hope that someone with a brain somewhere in the decision making process realises this is a bad idea.