The Shooting Forum Makes Me Mad

cormie

Quite a few times I've seen posts on the front page that have caught my attention. Just now a thread asking how many animals to kill is too much. Of course my response would be 1. I'm not a vegetarian but I don't believe in killing for sport.:(

Chong

Well each to their own to be honest Cormie.


Nuthing u can do about it.

Rb

I'm completely against killing for "sport" but as willem D said, each to their own.
There's a lot who seem to enjoy it, and they aren't really doing any harm considering it's mainly small game they're killing. That said, I'm still completely against it.

Don't have a problem with the forum though, it's just a place for them to discuss their hobby afterall.

Zillah

Aww I had forgotten that horrible forum existed. Hunting really is laughably primitive but theres nothing we can do about it.

Dave!

Once they eat it I don't mind...

Zillah

DaveMcG wrote:

Once they eat it I don't mind...

Is that some "circle of life" crap?

the_syco

Kill the foxes quickly, or let the foxes kill their lambs slowly, and put them out of business? Shoot the foxes, I say.

Tar.Aldarion

Zillah wrote:

Aww I had forgotten that horrible forum existed. Hunting really is laughably primitive but theres nothing we can do about it.

One might say the same thing about eating animals...

Chong

Your a veggie Tar arent ya, you must be really p!ssed off with said forum.

Gordon

Zillah wrote:

Is that some "circle of life" crap?

So you don't like animals dying full stop?

Sarky

I always knew he ate the stalk.

Zillah

Gordon wrote:

So you don't like animals dying full stop?

Well I suppose no...but thats not my point.

Going out and personally killing an animal for no reason other than it entertaining you is something I find distasteful. And I don't think anyone is claiming that the shooters actually need to shoot and eat that rabbit to feed his family.

Pighead

Pighead knows exactly where you're coming from cormie, I have the same problem everytime I see a post from the Couriers forum on the front page. Now I was never particularly a hater of the delivery guys but for some reason those cnuts who post in the Couriers forum really get my goat.

Always with the "Oh look at me I always deliver baby" type posts. Pighead hardly ever uses the word scumbags but that lot are fcuking scumbags. High five for you cormie for highlighting the situation.

Happy Easter to all(except Couriers)

Tar.Aldarion

Willem D wrote:

Your a veggie Tar arent ya, you must be really p!ssed off with said forum.

To put it very mildly.

Chong

Ok I dont say this often enough Pighead but your post is hilarious.

Pighead

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

To put it very mildly.

High Five to you too Tar Mar Superstar. Reject the EZ Pass to the shooting forum. Respect.

Gandhi

Pighead wrote:

Pighead knows exactly where you're coming from cormie, I have the same problem everytime I see a post from the Couriers forum on the front page. Now I was never particularly a hater of the delivery guys but for some reason those cnuts who post in the Couriers forum really get my goat.

Always with the "Oh look at me I always deliver baby" type posts. Pighead hardly ever uses the word scumbags but that lot are fcuking scumbags. High five for you cormie for highlighting the situation.

Happy Easter to all(except Couriers)

Maybe the lads in the shooting forum could shoot couriers instead of the poor little bunnies!!! Everybody wins!!!

woody

I was a hunter for years and still own firearms but refuse now to kill for sport as it is wrong.

I own several guns including a pistol now and several shotguns and all are for target and clay shooting, I dont see the point if I am not hungry but again most people who kill for sport are idiots and dont realise or care about the suffering they cause.

I recently shot a fox that was partly mutilated by an idiot with a shotgun and was left in pain apart from that no...


Hunting in my opinion unless it is because of livestock depletion or health reasons ie.. rats etc, should be banned


Most people aswell in this country are ill trained idiots that shoot everything...

Chong

Gandhi wrote:

Maybe the lads in the shooting forum could shoot couriers instead of the poor little bunnies!!! Everybody wins!!!

Mate ure supposed to be Gandhi and what ure proposing is murder.

For shame Gandhi.

cormie

What did you hunt woody? Is that you in your sig:D

Gordon

I hope that all the vegetarians here understand that plants are also living entities that have soul and character..

Chong

Screw plants.

Zillah

Gordon wrote:

I hope that all the vegetarians here understand that plants are also living entities that have soul and character..

They have much less soul and character.

Tar.Aldarion

Gordon wrote:

I hope that all the vegetarians here understand that plants are also living entities that have soul and character..

Well what do you have to say to the frutarians and the Breatharians?

Gandhi

Willem D wrote:

Mate ure supposed to be Gandhi and what ure proposing is murder.

For shame Gandhi.

Actually, it is. Sorry about that, lads (especially the couriers). Friday night and I'm not thinking right. Heading off home now.

woody

cormie wrote:

What did you hunt woody? Is that you in your sig:D

People at one stage aheeeeeeeeeeeemmmm :eek:

Chong

Interesting Woody, I take it you were in an army of sorts.


I hopes ure not an axe murder. lol

woody

I prefer the term Mad Sledge Hammer Murdered myself

cormie

woody wrote:

but refuse now to kill for sport

Did you always refuse?

woody wrote:

People at one stage aheeeeeeeeeeeemmmm :eek:

Interesting opinion on animal hunting considering.

Gordon

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

Well what do you have to say to the frutarians and the Breatharians?

I'd say "Get a job hippies!"

woody

cormie wrote:

Did you always refuse?




Interesting opinion on animal hunting considering.

When I was young I was taught to live of the land by my father but in general never killed for sport.

Tar.Aldarion

Gordon wrote:

I'd say "Get a job hippies!"

Gandhi had a job! Kind of... :P

No hippie was ever a fruitarian, I would imagine and breatharians just die!

Manic Moran

Zillah wrote:

And I don't think anyone is claiming that the shooters actually need to shoot and eat that rabbit to feed his family.

Nope, but is there any particular difference between eating a pheasant or rabbit that you shot yourself, and buying one pre-packaged down the supermarket? Ditto Venison. Other than the fact that you had to bring yourself to do the killing yourself. Even better, if you do your own butchering. Most hunters have a sort of 'respect for life' which goes beyond that of those of us who never see life taken. Take the 'last meal' that European hunters give their kills, for example.

How about fishing, do the anti-hunting people have a problem with fishing as well? It's categorised as the world's most popular passtime. Only difference is that you don't use a firearm to hunt fish. (Usually. There actually is a freshwater fish-shooting season in some places. My grand-dad hunted sharks with rifles too)

NTM

Dave!

Zillah wrote:

Is that some "circle of life" crap?

Pretty much, yeh. Are you a vegetarian? If you are then we're obviously not gonna see eye to eye, but if you're not, and you only agree with eating animals after they've been raised on a farm, fattened up, marched into a slaughter house with all of their mates, chopped up, then wrapped in plastic and sold to you, then you're a hypocrit.

[Jackass]

I saw a courier in a pretty vicious car accident near work about a month back. Now i'm sorry I didn't take pictures on my phone so pighead could have a big ****.

Two thumbs up to you sir, your hatred of couriers is an insperation to us all.

doctor evil

Couldn`t care less unless it is killed properly, also not endngered.

Nature is red in tooth and claw, I don`t think much of bleedin`hearts that pine for little bunnies.

Giblet

Giving animals "soul" and "character" is so typically human. Every other animal eats for survival, we do the same. Big deal. You can be ethical and not do it inhumanly, but it has to be done. We're omnivores, live with it.

Dave!

Well vegetarians would probably argue that it doesn't have to be done, that we can live perfectly healthily eating vegetables and supplementing it with vitamins, protein tablets, etc. But sure if we didn't kill the animals they'd be livin in our hair, ffs

Tar.Aldarion

@ Giblet
To not give animals 'soul' and character is so typically human, and btw humans are just animals too.
Humans do not need to eat meat to survive, other animals that do, have to. You are an omnivore, I am not. No it does not 'have to be done'.

Well vegetarians would probably argue that it doesn't have to be done, that we can live perfectly healthily eating vegetables and supplementing it with vitamins, protein tablets, etc. But sure if we didn't kill the animals they'd be livin in our hair, ffs

You don't even need to supplement it with any vitamins, tablets etc. Just naturally.
Also they would not be living in our hair. We just breed tens of billions of animals every year needlessly. It's even more cost effective not to. It is simply for pleasure at the expense of life.

Let me sum up my views...


Leo Tolstoy:

"It may be suggested by some books that it is not a sin to kill an animal, but it is written in our own hearts - more clearly than in any book - that we should take pity on animals in the same way as we do on humans."

"A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral."

"What I think about vivisection is that if people admit that they have the right to take or endanger the life of living beings for the benefit of many, there will be no limit for their cruelty."



Mark Twain, author:

"Of all the creatures ever made he (man) is the most detestable. He is the only creature that inflicts pain for sport, knowing it to be pain."

Robert Louis Stevenson:

"We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs as our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear."


Mahatma Gandhi, statesman and philosopher:

"To my mind the life of a lamb is no less precious than that of a human being. I should be unwilling to take the life of a lamb for the sake of the human body. I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to the protection by man from the cruelty of man."

George Bernard Shaw, playwright, Nobel Prize 1925:

"If a group of beings from another planet were to land on Earth -- beings who considered themselves as superior to you as you feel yourself to be to other animals -- would you concede them the rights over you that you assume over other animals?"

"The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them. That’s the essence of inhumanity."

"When a man wants to murder an animal, it's called sport, when the animal wants to murder him, it is called ferocity."

"Animals are my friends and I don't eat my friends."


Etc, etc.

tuxy

well yes if you are a vegitarian then i think you have the moral high ground. however i don't see how people who eat meat can be aginst hunting.
at least the animals in a hunt have a chance of getting away, and live in the wild. sounds better then being kept in a small cage with no chance of escape.

WhiteWashMan

the hoff forum annoys me.

junkyard

I don't believe in shooting animals for sport, I'm not a fan of killing any animal tbh but I suppose if its done as humanely as possible with as little stress to the animal its acceptable for food. I find it hard to consider killing animals and then eating them, I couldn't get the picture of the animal out of my head when it was alive.

Manic Moran

I note we have an angling forum, and a shooting forum.

Angling: Luring schwimmies to a hook, and either pulling them in and letting them suffocate (Or whacking them a bit), or just taking a photo, unhooking them and leaving them swim around a bit with a hole in their mouth. There doesn't seem to be an angling option which doesn't involve causing pain to animals that I know of.

Shooting: Hunting by shooting animals dead, marksmanship by way of shooting poor, defenseless paper targets, and utility. (Either animal pest control, or defense, depending on situation).

Seems to me that on the purely 'God's Creatures' aspect, the angling forum should be receiving the vitriol. At least shooting has one other harmless, and one functional purpose if you discount the obtaining of food argument which applies to both fishing and hunting.

NTM

astrofool

Tar, you're as much an omnivore as everyone else in the world, not eating meat does not change your genetic make up.

As a matter of interest, does anything you use come from animal derived products? Or is it just meat thats been given up? Would you see animals being locked up for their wool, and eggs as treating them as slaves?

On the one hand, there seems to be a push back to organic products from synthetic products from food to clothing, and if there is, thats gonna mean alot more animals suffering.

homah_7ft

I am not usually a reactionary but I say, shooting's not good enough for them.

Tar.Aldarion

tuxy wrote:

well yes if you are a vegitarian then i think you have the moral high ground. however i don't see how people who eat meat can be aginst hunting.
at least the animals in a hunt have a chance of getting away, and live in the wild. sounds better then being kept in a small cage with no chance of escape.

I agree with you. I think it is quite hypocritical for somebody to eat meat and think hunting animals is wrong.
Killing an animal is either wrong or it isn't. Which is it for those of you that eat meat and think hunting is wrong?
Obviously you think it is wrong if you go and complain about hunting.
Animals feel pain too(as if I had to say 'too' like we were not an animal) and we are much more alike than you would like to think.
If you can go out, look an animal in the eye, hear it call out in pain as you kill it, and not know in your heart that it is wrong then yes, eat meat away,in my opinion you would not know the meaning of compassion and would not even be inhumane.
I doubt many people are like that.
Could you kill a dog as if it were nothing?
No, if you see somebody hurting a dog, 'omg the cruelty'.




Bah, I've had enough ranting at this screen. I need to calm down...
The quotes I posted sum up how I feel.



Yes, to the person that pointed it out, fishing is just as wrong.

Zillah

DaveMcG wrote:

Pretty much, yeh. Are you a vegetarian? If you are then we're obviously not gonna see eye to eye, but if you're not, and you only agree with eating animals after they've been raised on a farm, fattened up, marched into a slaughter house with all of their mates, chopped up, then wrapped in plastic and sold to you, then you're a hypocrit.

You're in no position to call me a hypocrite. I havn't explained my opinion on the matter at all.

In an ideal world I'd like to see meat grown artificially in a factory so I can eat delicious steak knowing that nothing had to die for it. However, such is not yet possible, so for our society to eat meat, animals have to die. Im ok with this. Animals are grown on farms (in good conditions, importantly) and put down humanely. Thats the bare minimum death we need for people to eat meat.

So I get pissed when I hear of people killing free animals for the sake of killing them. Even if they eat them, its still a huge waste, a free happy animal didn't need to die, let one of the less happy already doomed to die farm animals take its place.

Tar.Aldarion

astrofool wrote:

Tar, you're as much an omnivore as everyone else in the world, not eating meat does not change your genetic make up.

Omnivore as in the definition of eating meat and veg.
Have you done much biology first of all?
There is quite some debate as to whether humans were omnivourous or herbivores. Human tribes of vegans still exist today which date back over 5,000 years.
If you look at tables of generic traits between carnivores, herbivores and omnivores you will notice humas are far closer to herbivores than any other group, biologically and chemically.
The fact is, if we were omnivorous or vegetarian, it does not matter.
Why should we do what is 'natural'?
Our intelligence is seemingly why we don't act like animals, we don't have to.
If you want to talk about this in furhter detail I will happily answer in vegan/vegetarian.

As a matter of interest, does anything you use come from animal derived products? Or is it just meat thats been given up? Would you see animals being locked up for their wool, and eggs as treating them as slaves?

I use no animal derivitives, gelatin, wool etc, except dairy and eggs. Both have to be traced back to healthy environments before I will go near them however and the animals must live good full lives...which I then pay for.:P

Dave!

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

"Animals are my friends and I don't eat my friends."

Wasn't that Timothy Treadwell? Nevermind...

Zillah wrote:

You're in no position to call me a hypocrite. I havn't explained my opinion on the matter at all.

That's why I gave you the 2 options mate...

Zillah wrote:

So I get pissed when I hear of people killing free animals for the sake of killing them. Even if they eat them, its still a huge waste, a free happy animal didn't need to die, let one of the less happy already doomed to die farm animals take its place.

How do you know how 'happy' an animal raised for food is? Or one in 'freedom', for that matter... I wouldn't be too happy having to run away from lions nearly every day! And hyenas, they're pr*cks...!

And for every cow you eat that's been raised to be eaten, another 'unhappy' cow will take its place. It's a bit of a vicious cycle. If everyone killed their own food, then there'd be no more 'unhappy' animals -- it'd be sweet! Animals would die with a smile on their face

Tar.Aldarion

Zillah wrote:

In an ideal world I'd like to see meat grown artificially in a factory so I can eat delicious steak knowing that nothing had to die for it. However, such is not yet possible,

It's called quorn. A lot of it tastes the same, some I like more, some less.
Nothing dies for it, I get to eat something that tastes like meat, happy out.

so for our society to eat meat, animals have to die. Im ok with this. Animals are grown on farms (in good conditions, importantly) and put down humanely. Thats the bare minimum death we need for people to eat meat.

Why are you ok with it, you seem to know it is morally wrong to kill these animals as you are against other killing of them.
I suppose your fair conditions statement is fairly true in Ireland, Irish meat. In a lot of places it is as humane as they can try.
Some places it is not.
Foreign meat is however, a different story. If you eat mean from takeaways or non free range, it is dispicable how they are treated.
Videos of KFC's slaughter houses make people want to puke for example.
Tigs are much better here than in America though. A lot of 'humane'(in your eyes) places that kill animals.

So I get pissed when I hear of people killing free animals for the sake of killing them. Even if they eat them, its still a huge waste, a free happy animal didn't need to die, let one of the less happy already doomed to die farm animals take its place.

Woah! You are happy to kill animals and not other ones...eh...eh...

Zillah

DaveMcG wrote:

And for every cow you eat that's been raised to be eaten, another 'unhappy' cow will take its place. It's a bit of a vicious cycle. If everyone killed their own food, then there'd be no more 'unhappy' animals -- it'd be sweet! Animals would die with a smile on their face

Oh I fully agree that the system is not a good idea. But im being very pragmatic in my outlook. Its never going to work that the people of Dublin wander off into the Wicklow mountains every few days to hunt down some rabbit and cows for dinner...

As I said, artificially grown meat would be my preference, but for im willing to accept the system as it is. [And by that I mean the ones who actually do conform to the system, with good living conditions et al]

And maybe a free animal isn't "happier", but I like to think they are. They certainly seem happier. Especially considering that some of the smarter ones like pigs have an idea of whats coming.

EDIT:

It's called quorn. A lot of it tastes the same, some I like more, some less.
Nothing dies for it, I get to eat something that tastes like meat, happy out.

Huh... Curious. I shall try this..stuff. Does it actually taste like meat or is it just supposed to? Does it provide the healthy benefits of real meat, such as protein and iron?