Annual EL vs PL thread.

speriamo

Kingp35 wrote:

Should progress past the first round anyway. Danish opposition may be a tricky tie but I believe Shels have the ability to get past them but the Danish side would certainly fancy themselves to go through. A match against a Scottish side would be very interesting indeed.

COuld have been a worse draw so Shels must b reasonably happy with it.

Shame your avator wasnt removed.

Good draw for shels. Getting the away leg first is crucial too as we showed in Poland 3 years ago. Best of luck to them and hope they get to play a scottish side.

Kingp35

speriamo wrote:

Shame your avator wasnt removed.

eyerer

as an offtopic guess, i'm thinking the avatar comment was inspired by your sig being removed (as inidcated by your....sig)

Kingp35

eyerer wrote:

as an offtopic guess, i'm thinking the avatar comment was inspired by your sig being removed (as inidcated by your....sig)

He doesnt like my avator?

MrJoeSoap

Knowing Speriamo's posts, he probably doesn't like that you have an English teams crest in your sig. I can't possibly see whats wrong with your actual avatar, unless he is offended by cartoon arses!

Kingp35

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Knowing Speriamo's posts, he probably doesn't like that you have an English teams crest in your sig. I can't possibly see whats wrong with your actual avatar, unless he is offended by cartoon arses!

Yeah Barts arse can be quite offending.

Ah so he has a problem with me commenting on an EL team because I have a Leeds crest in my sig. All I can say to that is :rolleyes:

speriamo

Sorry I meant the crest. Leeds has nothing to do this country or even dalkey:rolleyes:

Shels to play Hibs in the 3rd round? Hope so........

Kingp35

speriamo wrote:

Sorry I meant the crest. Leeds has nothing to do this country or even dalkey:rolleyes:
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And whats your point? So I support and English club, so what?

MrJoeSoap

It's not even worth arguing with him tbh. He doesn't want you to support a non-Irish club, do you really want to argue against that??

Kingp35

No, I certainly dont want one of those arguments

speriamo

You cant "support" a club in another country. Since you're probably Irish how about supporting an Irish club? Not looking for an argument just reasons.

Töpher

Kingp35 goes to watch Bray often, if I'm thinking correctly!

Obviously people from over here can't really support (in the true footballing sense of the word) English teams. My take on all of this is that these people are followers, or viewers, of football, with a leaning towards a particular team. You can't support from a barstool, simple as really.

Anywho, this is way off topic now! AirBaltic do reasoabley priced direct flights to Vilnius, for those interested!

Iago

since this is still OT

I think the thinking here is flawed, I for example make regular trips to Old Trafford and around Europe (when we're still in it) to follow Manchester United. I'm a member of the supporters club and spend a significant portion of my income making sure I get to see as many games as possible wherever I happen to be...

How is that not supporting a team?

speriamo

Fair play for supporting Bray.

Absolutely no credit for travelling to england to watch an english side. How about spending some of your income supporting an Irish club in your own country instead of funding a corporation?

MrJoeSoap

speriamo wrote:

Fair play for supporting Bray.

Absolutely no credit for travelling to england to watch an english side. How about spending some of your income supporting an Irish club in your own country instead of funding a corporation?

How about not telling people what to do?

[/Ironic Response]

therecklessone

speriamo wrote:

You cant "support" a club in another country. Since you're probably Irish how about supporting an Irish club? Not looking for an argument just reasons.

Really? Why follow it with this then?

speriamo wrote:

Absolutely no credit for travelling to england to watch an english side. How about spending some of your income supporting an Irish club in your own country instead of funding a corporation?

I'll take it you only shop in Dunnes, watch RTE and listen to U2 and the Corrs then. As trolls go you're pretty average.

Back OT, its a decent draw for Shels, first two rounds shouldn't be feared and a tie against a Scottish team will be a nice test of the theory that the EL and the SPLE aren't that far apart in terms of quality. If its Hibs I think Shels will have to be on top form.

Kingp35

speriamo wrote:

Since you're probably Irish how about supporting an Irish club? Not looking for an argument just reasons.

I do support an Irish club!! I didnt mention that I did because I dont think I need to justify the fact that I also support an English team. My family owns 4 season tickets to Bray Wanderers, happy?

Einst&#252 wrote: »

Being there in the good times and bad, applauding your team off the pitch, being back in the stands a few days after a bad defeat and roaring your team on to hopefully a vital 3 points, is support

I understand what your trying to say but by this logic a team can only have as many supporters as its stadium holds because people who dont go to the games arent true supporters. Know what I mean?

Necronomicon

Kingp35 wrote:

I do support an Irish club!! I didnt mention that I did because I dont think I need to justify the fact that I also support an English team. My family owns 4 season tickets to Bray Wanderers, happy?



I understand what your trying to say but by this logic a team can only have as many supporters as its stadium holds because people who dont go to the games arent true supporters. Know what I mean?

It's not worth it Kingp, just leave him on his merry trolling way...

Jivin Turkey

speriamo wrote:

You cant "support" a club in another country. Since you're probably Irish how about supporting an Irish club? Not looking for an argument just reasons.

If you're so concerned about "supporting" everything Irish, how about you only post here in your native tongue.

To be honest I think someone who is so concerned such as yourself, would be far more concerned about defending your countries heritage than which bloody group of males you watch kick a circular object about.

However something tells me you probably have little, if any of it.

Lemlin

speriamo wrote:

You cant "support" a club in another country. Since you're probably Irish how about supporting an Irish club? Not looking for an argument just reasons.

Go and watch a GAA game, that actually is Irish if you're so patriotic.

Jivin Turkey

Lemlin wrote:

Go and watch a GAA game, that actually is Irish.

Haha, I can't believe I didn't think of that beautiful irony!

MrJoeSoap

Lads, don't feed the troll!

Rikand

Jivin Turkey wrote:

Haha, I can't believe I didn't think of that beautiful irony!

So nice to see two of the boards biggest enemies, uniting under one banner to rid of us of that vile troll

blu_sonic

In all honesty i see Sperimos point and i can see where hes coming from, I don't agree but for y'all to tell him to support GAA is just as bad,

I mean we are one of the few countrys that £support" another country's league, it really is kind of bizzare, particularily when you think of the "hatred" we have for England else where.

I mean its not a secret that I'm a Hoop, but you must see the Irony in supporting a UK team? That aside

I think Shels will be battered in Europe this year, they will get to face the danish club but i expect them to be humbled, I hope otherwise although Ollie makes it hard for me to be sympatethic to Shels

speriamo

Interesting responses to a reasonable question. Apologies if it is trolling. Hardly a sin is it?

I'm not telling anyone what to do. It was a question. At this stage we have to find out the reasons why someone will support a foreign club ahead of an Irish club. Look at the answers and try to improve the league that way. IMO there is no reason why this league cant progress a lot further. The talent is there, the results in Europe are getting better and tv coverage is a vast improvement.

As for shopping in Dunnes and speaking as gaeilge, heritage etc that is a pathetic childish way of avoiding the issue.

Yeah I'm a Dubs fan but am deeply disappointed that Thomas Davis brought a judicial review to delay us moving into the stadium in Tallaght.

AGAIN not looking for an argument or smartarse juvenile answers but reasoned debate.

Go raibh maith agaibh:D

therecklessone

speriamo wrote:

You cant "support" a club in another country.

BUt you can, as has been pointed out already. I'm a ST holder at Spurs, by the end of next month I'll have been to 15 home PL games, 6 away PL games, an FA Cup tie (and I had to cancel plans to travel to Everton and Newcastle away due to my car breaking down)

On top of that, as English football gained the ascendancy in this country over the last 30 years, a whole generation of fans have begun to believe that you don't have to attend a match to support your team. Indeed, its that fact that encourages the big European teams to spread their commercial wings in new markets like the Far East and US, i.e. fans don't have to come to you, you go to them.

speriamo wrote:

Absolutely no credit for travelling to england to watch an english side. How about spending some of your income supporting an Irish club in your own country instead of funding a corporation?

Why not? Who are you to tell me what I should and shouldn't do? I choose to spend my money on a ST and travel to Spurs because I can. I'm under no obligation to spend that money locally, much like you have no obligation to shop in an Irish supermarket, or to purchase music by Irish artists.

I'm a Shels fan, also by choice, but I have no direct link with any EL club. I had a season ticket last year, didn't get one this year because I knew I'd miss a lot of games through the summer because of work and personal committments. But I'm not a Shels fan out of some deluded sense of "buy guaranteed Irish", I'm a Shels fan because they're the first team I went to see play with any regularity.

speriamo wrote:

I'm not telling anyone what to do. It was a question.

But you've passed judgement on everyone who doesn't adhere to your vision of a football fan, both here and on other threads.

Jivin Turkey

speriamo wrote:

Interesting responses to a reasonable question. Apologies if it is trolling. Hardly a sin is it?

I'm not telling anyone what to do. It was a question. At this stage we have to find out the reasons why someone will support a foreign club ahead of an Irish club. Look at the answers and try to improve the league that way. IMO there is no reason why this league cant progress a lot further. The talent is there, the results in Europe are getting better and tv coverage is a vast improvement.

As for shopping in Dunnes and speaking as gaeilge, heritage etc that is a pathetic childish way of avoiding the issue.

Yeah I'm a Dubs fan but am deeply disappointed that Thomas Davis brought a judicial review to delay us moving into the stadium in Tallaght.

AGAIN not looking for an argument or smartarse juvenile answers but reasoned debate.

Go raibh maith agaibh:D

If I were just a pure GAA fan would you accept criticism from me about following "an English game"? I doubt it.

Kingp35 follows an EL team as well as an English team. I follow an LSL team as well as an English team. What's your problem?

KdjaCL

If you want another EL vs "the others your all bastards for supporting english clubs" start a new thread. This is about Intertoto 2006 as continuing this argument here is unfair on the Shels and EL fans who are in the intertoto cup thing.



kdjac

PHB

Very simply:

You don't necessarily support a club because where you are from. You support them for reasons that are beyond reasons, it's why non-football fans don't understand why you do it.
It's easier to build up a connection because it is in your area, but it doesn't mean a connection can't be built up on TV and through travelling as much as possible.

Just because you did it by locality, while others did it some other way, doesn't change the nature of the support, or it's validity.

KdjaCL

PHB wrote:

Very simply:

You don't necessarily support a club because where you are from. You support them for reasons that are beyond reasons, it's why non-football fans don't understand why you do it.
It's easier to build up a connection because it is in your area, but it doesn't mean a connection can't be built up on TV and through travelling as much as possible.

Just because you did it by locality, while others did it some other way, doesn't change the nature of the support, or it's validity.

No we do you dont.


kdjac

Lemlin

I'm a massive GAA fan that follows an English soccer team but couldn't care less about the Eircom League. Where does that place me?