Bi-Xenon Headlights

mik_da_man

Hi Guys/Gals,

Just after ordering a new focus and am thinking of getting the Bi-Xenon lights on it.

They cost €1000

Just want to see people's opinion on them, are they worth it
For functional and looks point of view;)

Cheers

Mik

yop

Jaysus, that is some price! I have them on the A4 and they are very good, strange that it seems to give a blue tint but I do notice a massive difference between them

mik_da_man

yop wrote:

Jaysus, that is some price!

And that is with a 17% discount!!:eek:

They are pricey all right

colm_mcm

If you do a lot of night driving on bad roads, then it may be worth it. they will not add any value to your car when it comes to trading in

mik_da_man

€900 per light? :mad:

Seems expensive all right.

Anyone any ideas where you can get these apart from Ford main stealers?

Cheers

Mik

colm_mcm

AFAIK they're not able to be retro fitted, and you also get headlamp washers with them. (legal requirment or something)

colm_mcm

AFAIK they're not able to be retro fitted, and you also get headlamp washers with them. (legal requirment or something)

mik_da_man

colm_mcm wrote:

AFAIK they're not able to be retro fitted, and you also get headlamp washers with them. (legal requirment or something)

That's a bit annoying.
I think I might go for them.
My mate has some in his Evo:p and they light the road v well.

Just curious to see if anyone has them in the focus
and what people think of them.

Personally I think they look well - but not sure if that justifies €1000

Mik

colm_mcm

you'd probably be looking at factory ordering the car too, (16-20 weeks) as I don't imagine they have hundreds lying around the place

5500

Thats robbery for them,they can be gotten online for about 240 inc delivery for an 8000k kit,ive had 2 sets on various cars from the same company and never had any problems with them.

colm_mcm

is it the same thing?

mik_da_man

colm_mcm wrote:

you'd probably be looking at factory ordering the car too, (16-20 weeks) as I don't imagine they have hundreds lying around the place

Well the car is being factory ordered already so it won't take any longer

mik_da_man

eireal wrote:

Thats robbery for them,they can be gotten online for about 240 inc delivery for an 8000k kit,ive had 2 sets on various cars from the same company and never had any problems with them.

Any chance of some linkage?

Cheers

Hal1

If its looks your after then go ahead and get them installed otherwise I would just go for the extra bright halogen bulbs

drdre

mik_da_man wrote:

Any chance of some linkage?

Cheers

i was going to ask the same.some links would help and can they be fitted to most cars

TheBazman

I think they are worth getting if you are concerned with image - they certainly look better. In terms of practical benefit I'm not convinced. There is one issue - I find that quite a lot when I am behind cars they think that I have my head lights on (when I dont), then when I overtake they stick on their headlights - very annoying

C_Breeze

mik_da_man wrote:

That's a bit annoying.
I think I might go for them.
My mate has some in his Evo:p and they light the road v well.

Just curious to see if anyone has them in the focus
and what people think of them.

Personally I think they look well - but not sure if that justifies €1000

Mik

unless your mates evo is an 7 ,8 ,or 9 i doubt it has factory fitted xenons.

more than likley he has a pair of HID nalogen bulbs that give the xenon look .
ie. Philips blue vision or philips GT150

1000E is too expensive and if you have a light corner carsh and light needs to be replaced it will cost u a bomb.

I wouldnt get them if i were u . Go to ebay and buy an aftermarket HID conversion kit and saveyourse;f 800E and your getting exactly the same thing.

I have it on my car and they are excellent

mik_da_man

My Mate has the 300 HP Evo 7

Great Car

full forward

They cost €1,770 on a passat. And about €650 and a volvo V50.

kaizersoze

€1000 :eek: I can't see the value tbh.
What's the wait time on the Focus?
I ordered C4 last week and should have it next Monday.
My brother ordered an Avensis last January and it's not due in until 20th of April and no colour choice. He had to take silver.

yop

Out of interest and sorry of the blonde question but does Xenon light contain a bulb?
If it does can any joe soap put them in?
Do they have a longer or shorter life span?
What price range for them. the bulbs that is!

Cheers

Owen

Contact Ger O' Leary of O' Leary's Garage in Ballincollig Cork for Retrofitting Xenons. They do Xenon, and Bi Xenon retrofits for any car, MTH performance parts, general servicing etc.

He's a good mate of mine in the Motor Trade, and will always bang out a good deal. On the cars I sell, Xenons run anything from € 750 right up to € 1500 for adaptive Bi Xenons. So €1,000 ain't too bad

Ger's Number is (086) - 8663828

Owen.

Owen

kaizersoze wrote:

€1000 :eek: I can't see the value tbh.
What's the wait time on the Focus?
I ordered C4 last week and should have it next Monday.
My brother ordered an Avensis last January and it's not due in until 20th of April and no colour choice. He had to take silver.

There's a big difference ordering from stock, and getting something built to spec. If you ordered a C4 last week and are getting it Monday, then it's just sitting in a compound somewhere in the country.

Your brother only being given the choice of Silver? BS from the Dealer. If a car takes 4 months to order, it should be spec changeable for the first 2.

Our lead time on what we sell is anything from 6 weeks to 4 months, depending on the spec, and model of the car.

mik_da_man

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What's the wait time on the Focus?
.[/QUOTE]

My focus is built to order

Taking about 10 weeks

mik_da_man

ned78 wrote:

Contact Ger O' Leary of O' Leary's Garage in Ballincollig Cork for Retrofitting Xenons. They do Xenon, and Bi Xenon retrofits for any car, MTH performance parts, general servicing etc.

He's a good mate of mine in the Motor Trade, and will always bang out a good deal. On the cars I sell, Xenons run anything from € 750 right up to € 1500 for adaptive Bi Xenons. So €1,000 ain't too bad

Ger's Number is (086) - 8663828

Owen.

Cheers, I'll give him a bell

Alun

Isn't there some law that says that you also have to have automatic levelling and headlamp washers fitted if you have xenon's? Or is that only for new cars?

mik_da_man

I'm not sure about that.

But i know the ones on the focus come with washers and levellers

Anyone else heard of this?

Owen

There's no law specifically for Xenons. All headlamps on all cars must be adjusted correctly (It's checked in the NCT) so that they don't dazzle oncoming cars. Washers? Nope. Not a law, and never will be.

yop

Ya I think I heard that about the xenon, that is how you know if you have "true" xenon lights is if you don't have light levellers in the car.
Also the more I see of cars with xenon lights they also have headlight washers.

Alun

ned78 wrote:

There's no law specifically for Xenons. All headlamps on all cars must be adjusted correctly (It's checked in the NCT) so that they don't dazzle oncoming cars. Washers? Nope. Not a law, and never will be.

I've seen several references to this on many UK based motoring forums where the consensus seems to be that it's an EU law. Some have said that it's only a requirement where the dipped beam is HID, and full beam only conversions aren't covered by this, but I'm not sure.

The rationale is that having your headlights correctly aimed is even more critical in the case of HID lamps because of the extra brightness. The washer thing is something to do with the scattering of light when they're dirty.

Mind you in a country where even having two correctly working headlights seems to be a rarity, I can't see anyone being too concerned unfortunately.

mik_da_man

yop wrote:

Ya I think I heard that about the xenon, that is how you know if you have "true" xenon lights is if you don't have light levellers in the car.
Also the more I see of cars with xenon lights they also have headlight washers.

Not sure if I understand ya here!

if you have levellers than the lights are NOT "true" Xenon?

Henry Ford III

I wouldn't bother Mik. Save your money for tax, insurance, and fuel.

My ST is built and on a boat to Cork apparently

Owen

Sorry, just to clarify my statement about Xenons, the reason there's no law governing them, is that all Xenon lamps have an auto leveling design, there's a little servo built in that sets them up correctly for the load the vehicle is carrying, hence they auto adjust.

kaizersoze

ned78 wrote:

There's a big difference ordering from stock, and getting something built to spec. If you ordered a C4 last week and are getting it Monday, then it's just sitting in a compound somewhere in the country.

Your brother only being given the choice of Silver? BS from the Dealer. If a car takes 4 months to order, it should be spec changeable for the first 2.

Our lead time on what we sell is anything from 6 weeks to 4 months, depending on the spec, and model of the car.

He ordered a standard spec Avensis, no options added. The first available car was the 20th of April and it's colour is silver. If he wanted another colour it would be the end of May at least before he got it.
I know the C4 is sitting in a compound but I would have thought it would be the same for all marques if a standard model was ordered.

yop

Ya, that is what I picked up, if you have Xenon light fitted in the factory then they will not have leveller buttons in the car.

mik_da_man

ned78 wrote:

Contact Ger O' Leary of O' Leary's Garage in Ballincollig Cork for Retrofitting Xenons. They do Xenon, and Bi Xenon retrofits for any car, MTH performance parts, general servicing etc.

He's a good mate of mine in the Motor Trade, and will always bang out a good deal. On the cars I sell, Xenons run anything from € 750 right up to € 1500 for adaptive Bi Xenons. So €1,000 ain't too bad

Ger's Number is (086) - 8663828

Owen.

I gave him a bell and he is getting the Bi-Xenon sets in 2 weeks
He said I'd be looking at around €650 for a set

He is fitting some on his own car when he gets them and I'll prob have a look before i decide.

But I doubt very much if they come with washers/levellers
(he didn't mention it anyway, and I forgot to ask:o )

Must ring him back to check

Mik

drdre

mik_da_man wrote:

I gave him a bell and he is getting the Bi-Xenon sets in 2 weeks
He said I'd be looking at around €650 for a set

He is fitting some on his own car when he gets them and I'll prob have a look before i decide.

But I doubt very much if they come with washers/levellers
(he didn't mention it anyway, and I forgot to ask:o )

Must ring him back to check

Mik

does gers kit fit a 05 vw golf.is it like what you pay to vw when you pay for xenon lights.eg the whole light changed.do you have any links as i will be interested in getting this done.and is there anyone in dublin that does this or do i have to go to cork to get it done.

Alun

I emailed the sales people at www.hids4u.co.uk concerning the levellers and washers issue and this was the reply I got.

The EU directive as we understand it is only for new cars. There are no UK requirements for such devices on aftermarket kits, nor any UK law for any car to have washers and levellers with xenons even as new. UK MOT does not require them.

Our kits pass the MOT as the beam patterns are perfect and there is no glare.

Seems like a strange setup to me.

colm_mcm

kaizersoze wrote:

He ordered a standard spec Avensis, no options added. The first available car was the 20th of April and it's colour is silver. If he wanted another colour it would be the end of May .

That's a load of rubbish, we have loads of them ex stock, and there's no shortage

Anan1

mik_da_man wrote:

Hi Guys/Gals,

Just after ordering a new focus and am thinking of getting the Bi-Xenon lights on it.

They cost €1000

Just want to see people's opinion on them, are they worth it
For functional and looks point of view;)

Cheers

Mik

I've driven one or two cars with xenons and, in my opinion, the difference is huge. With regard to the looks angle, I'm confused. Do you mean in the sense that other road users would think "nice lights on that Focus.."? Or am I missing something really obvious?

mik_da_man

Anan1 wrote:

other road users would think "nice lights on that Focus.."?

Spot on!

mik_da_man

Anan1 wrote:

other road users would think "nice lights on that Focus.."?

Spot on!:cool:

mik_da_man

drdre wrote:

does gers kit fit a 05 vw golf.is it like what you pay to vw when you pay for xenon lights.eg the whole light changed.do you have any links as i will be interested in getting this done.and is there anyone in dublin that does this or do i have to go to cork to get it done.

Not sure what car's Ger will do, prob best give him a buzz.

You get the whole light not just a kit.
And he told me that he has a special contract to do them in Ireland
kinda led me to believe that he is the only one around
but I am open to correction on this

kaizersoze

colm_mcm wrote:

That's a load of rubbish, we have loads of them ex stock, and there's no shortage

Thanks for that. I'll let him know.
Do you work in the distributors or a dealer? Sorry to be nosey.:)

Anan1

I did some homework a while ago regarding retrofitting HID lights to my 94 C280. I can't remember the exact details, but I do remember getting the impression that HID upgrade kits which utilised the existing reflectors resulted in a poor light spread, and dazzle for other road users. From recollection, the way to go was to replace the entire headlamp assemblies. Personally speaking, if I were buying a new car with the intention of keeping it for a couple of years I'd just pay the E1,000 and get factory fitment.

mik_da_man

Well,

I just was chatting to the guy selling me my Focus and he recommended the Adaptive lights (Corner with you)
They come with HID Bulbs


They Cost €550 V's €1000 for the Bi-Xenon

Anyone have the Adaptive on their car?
And any thoughts?

Cheers for all the comments

Mik

Anan1

mik_da_man wrote:

Well,

I just was chatting to the guy selling me my Focus and he recommended the Adaptive lights (Corner with you)
They come with HID Bulbs


They Cost €550 V's €1000 for the Bi-Xenon

Anyone have the Adaptive on their car?
And any thoughts?

Cheers for all the comments

Mik

Are the adaptive lights factory fit? Usually adaptive HID would be more expensive than normal HID? Or are the adaptive ones not bi-xenon?

mik_da_man

They are Adaptive HID for €550
and Bi-Xenon (non Adaptive) for €1000

Both are Factory fit

faigs

C_Breeze wrote:

more than likley he has a pair of HID nalogen bulbs that give the xenon look .
ie. Philips blue vision or philips GT150

Where can you get these? Are they expensive? Are they just a gimmick for boy racers in starlets or would they be worth buying?

Anan1

mik_da_man wrote:

They are Adaptive HID for €550
and Bi-Xenon (non Adaptive) for €1000

Both are Factory fit

AFAIK (and this is not gospel) Bi-xenon are HID on both main beam & dips, whereas normal HID are only HID on dips. I suppose the question you have to ask yourself is what proportion of your driving is done on main beam?

mik_da_man

faigs wrote:

Where can you get these? Are they expensive? Are they just a gimmick for boy racers in starlets or would they be worth buying?

Here

Linky

Mik