Right, banned from UL forum, take 2.

Rozie

Let's go over this in a more mature manner.

1) Nukem has previously censored my opinions in the form, and I felt as if I was being bullied, even harassed by him, in a veiled manner, which I felt was proven correct upon the final ban. AFAIK, whenever I made more reasonable posts, such as the one I'm using now, he purposely tried to find and exagerrate things which may resemble attacks.

2) Regardless of past issues, it was still not a valid final straw. This sends out the message that board.ie heavily endorses censorship of opinion and abuse of power for no logical reason. The more you force rules on members with out allowing them to question, the more people like me you are going to get in the long run. Nukem even admits it was possibly mostly personal(was getting "sick" of me rather than providing any compelling reasons for the ban). This would look very bad to most other boards online.

3) People leaping on my in the "Observations on Irish people" is proof that people jump on things that go against what they believe in, regardless of how inflammatory the initial post is. Just take the first few replies and see what I mean. The maturity level of members and moderators comes into question as much as mine.

4) In the last topic which was locked, nobody provided a valid reason for the ban and it was assumed agreed upon. The fact that previous warnings was ignored, the fact that the ban affects real life social issues very negatively was ignored.

As thus, it is NOT resolved as it was an assumption and nobody provided any form of logic, sense. I can't change this, but there is no way the decision is in any way definsible through anything but moderator warning and banning. That's a sure indication that something's wrong.

I actually have to keep away from certain people because I can't bear to be near someone who supports such a decision. I have very strong principles and those were not respected in the least.

5) Nukem's job was not difficult. Arguments were occasional, the reason I was the source of them was because I am diametrically opposed in taste and idealogy to many of the members and was the only one in a small forum anything like me(Which also was not taken into account in the last topic), and he himself made a much bigger deal of them. There was an increase in arguments but it was not worse than most forums, even ones on this forum. Nukem provoked me by censoring my opinion and siding against me instead of taking a neutral stance.
Only "intelligent" moderating(imaginative punishments, reasoning with members on an equal level) is difficult, not warning and banning.

Yes I'm aware I'm an insignificant member who can't do anything. Like I said, might does not make right.

If this is given a chance, I'll show some level of respect. Otherwise, you can't really blame me for how I feel in the least. As there was no valid reason given except for the inevitable "For god's sake will you leave it", I don't think it is fair, or anything resembling appropriate practice.

Ruu_Old

Ah give it up please, lifes too short to be complaining about your bannings. Take it on the chin and come back another day. Thats all.

kaimera

Bad bad bad bad bad.

You don't just repost yer same feelings after the last thread was just locked.

Damn.

Silverfish

Stop. Just........grow up and stop.

Boston

You'll probably set banned from this forum for posting this thread, and if you start into the Smod's or Admins liek you have nukem, you'll be site banned.

nesf

Really. This is just a bad idea. It was locked for a reason.

Nukem

Yes lets! - remember this little Pm you sent me?

Rozie wrote:

That's ****ing ridiculous. Did something eat half of your synpases or something? How can you not realise what a ****ing Nazi little thing to do? I was trying to help soemone out as I didn't want someone else to end up in a lackluster college. You clearly don't give a **** about people and are blatantly obsessed with keeping the college's image squeeky clean.

I also love how you pretend how "I told you so!" makes any difference to the fact that you as a moderator are barely worthy for a binman to scrub off his feet.

You just proved every little negative thing I said about you or the people on that little board 100% correct. Giving me what I wanted as well as what I didn't want. What a pointless excercise in being a power tripper.

There is no way you can't know you're being a complete, ****faced arrogant, immature, control freak little jackass.

You're a joke, and your little board is a joke. But I'll be sure to tell people about it. After all, which one of us really has an image to protect, Mr. UL's biggest fan?

Calling something i did "Nazi" implies that i am one which to say the least annoys and hurts.
Insulting Moderators and what they do for free and out of there own time is kinda really disrespectful.

There is no way you can't know you're being a complete, ****faced arrogant, immature, control freak little jackass.

Im stuck for words i really am - how the hell do i reply to that

Rozie wrote:

You're a joke, and your little board is a joke. But I'll be sure to tell people about it.

So whay are you so worked up about it?

^CwAzY^

Rozie wrote:

Let's go over this in a more mature manner.

1) Nukem has previously censored my opinions in the form, and I felt as if I was being bullied, even harassed by him, in a veiled manner, which I felt was proven correct upon the final ban. AFAIK, whenever I made more reasonable posts, such as the one I'm using now, he purposely tried to find and exagerrate things which may resemble attacks.

2) Regardless of past issues, it was still not a valid final straw. This sends out the message that board.ie heavily endorses censorship of opinion and abuse of power for no logical reason. The more you force rules on members with out allowing them to question, the more people like me you are going to get in the long run. Nukem even admits it was possibly mostly personal(was getting "sick" of me rather than providing any compelling reasons for the ban). This would look very bad to most other boards online.

3) People leaping on my in the "Observations on Irish people" is proof that people jump on things that go against what they believe in, regardless of how inflammatory the initial post is. Just take the first few replies and see what I mean. The maturity level of members and moderators comes into question as much as mine.

4) In the last topic which was locked, nobody provided a valid reason for the ban and it was assumed agreed upon. The fact that previous warnings was ignored, the fact that the ban affects real life social issues very negatively was ignored.

As thus, it is NOT resolved as it was an assumption and nobody provided any form of logic, sense. I can't change this, but there is no way the decision is in any way definsible through anything but moderator warning and banning. That's a sure indication that something's wrong.

I actually have to keep away from certain people because I can't bear to be near someone who supports such a decision. I have very strong principles and those were not respected in the least.

5) Nukem's job was not difficult. Arguments were occasional, the reason I was the source of them was because I am diametrically opposed in taste and idealogy to many of the members and was the only one in a small forum anything like me(Which also was not taken into account in the last topic), and he himself made a much bigger deal of them. There was an increase in arguments but it was not worse than most forums, even ones on this forum. Nukem provoked me by censoring my opinion and siding against me instead of taking a neutral stance.
Only "intelligent" moderating(imaginative punishments, reasoning with members on an equal level) is difficult, not warning and banning.

Yes I'm aware I'm an insignificant member who can't do anything. Like I said, might does not make right.

If this is given a chance, I'll show some level of respect. Otherwise, you can't really blame me for how I feel in the least. As there was no valid reason given except for the inevitable "For god's sake will you leave it", I don't think it is fair, or anything resembling appropriate practice.

.

Dont be at yourself

No, you're a poopiehead.

Boston

Nukem, why bother arguing.

Ps rozie

Vegeta

Rozie you lose at Life! :rolleyes:

Time Magazine

I think perhaps trolling is actually justified in this case, seeing as you suggested my father was a theoretical physicist.

Rozie wrote:

Let's go over this in a more mature manner.
...
This sends out the message that board.ie heavily endorses censorship of opinion

Wait a second! [And I must remember to talk slowly to the child] That.... is.... not.... a.... mature..... statement.

You're successfully ruining UL's "squeaky clean" (yeah right) image; you're as much proof of its failure to educate as Senán Ó'Coistín's attempt to run for the Dáíl last year is.

Time Magazine

Christ, sixteen minutes and nearly as many replies! Must be a record!

WhiteWashMan

hi everyone

aidan_walsh

Rozie, the next thing will be a site ban at this rate.

But then we'll probably be listening to Rozie2 giving out about that for the 30 seconds that thread would last...

^CwAzY^

Hi Wwman!! Love U!! X

Rev Hellfire

You obviously feel strongly about the ban. But in light of the recent thread and its locking, discretion might be the better part of valour in this case. Let it lie for a while.

Then after a time once heads have cooled approach Nukem again about the ban and see if you can’t come to one more final agreement.

The fact is he’s going to continue as the moderator of that forum so you’ll need to come to an accommodation should you wish to participate in the future there.

kippy

FFS,
Between this, the previous post on banning and the "attitude of Irish People on the internet" (which I found t be a complete joke) surely a ban is what is needed........
Rozie,
You got issues.....

KrankStricher

God help the mods/admins who have to listen to this.

(FTL;"GOd help ye")

Rozie

Wow, talking about proving my point... point #3 for those with difficulty understanding what I just meant. Why do the moderators let all the people replying to this be immature, but I can't even have a justification for a hefty ban? Why do the moderators not care about people trolling and flaming when they're "On their side"? Biased much?

And Nukem, I still think you wholeheartedly deserved that PM(you know, people tend to get angry when you piss them off), but I'm not getting into that here. I posted a mature and calm thread and now you're trying to light it on fire.

It's stupid, and I'm going to ignore the rest of the stupid replies.

I want an unban since no reason was given, or at least a justifiable reason.

kensutz

Get over it

Boston

cough

Time Magazine

Yes, that's right Rozie (and convenient, I might add), that anyone who thinks you're nuts and expresses it in a socially acceptable manner simply.doesn't.understand.you.

I wish it was that easy in life in general. I'm sorry Rev. Iain, you just don't understand republicanism, you're stupid for having a divergent opinion.

Rozie

kensutz wrote:

Get over it

If this is given a chance, I'll show some level of respect. Otherwise, you can't really blame me for how I feel in the least. As there was no valid reason given except for the inevitable "For god's sake will you leave it", I don't think it is fair, or anything resembling appropriate practice.

No.

aidan_walsh

Rozie wrote:

Wow, talking about proving my point... point #3 for those with difficulty understanding what I just meant. Why do the moderators let all the people replying to this be immature, but I can't even have a justification for a hefty ban? Why do the moderators not care about people trolling and flaming when they're "On their side"? Biased much?

And Nukem, I still think you wholeheartedly deserved that PM(you know, people tend to get angry when you piss them off), but I'm not getting into that here. I posted a mature and calm thread and now you're trying to light it on fire.

It's stupid, and I'm going to ignore the rest of the stupid replies.

I want an unban since no reason was given, or at least a justifiable reason.

Silverfish

Rozie, you were told why you were banned. You refuse to listen to anyone.

You are agressive, insulting, and refuse to accept the opinions of other people, or any rules that are there for the greater good.


You post threads insulting everyone, and expect people to read it, stroke their chins, and say, 'Hmm, I say, Rozie raises a good point, we ARE all ignorant' and praise you for your intelligence.

This will not happen, be it on the internet, or in daily life, college, or work.

I don't think you are one of these people who will ever learn how to interract with other people. I feel sorry for you.

Time Magazine

aidan_walsh wrote:

Lollercoaster.

Boston

test

BlitzKrieg

....*sigh*


Please can you take this crusade somewhere private? I mean even if you get your way and the ban lifted and Nukem executed behind the shed...the reality will be everyone will remember you as *The nutter who wont shut up*, The spammy git who started 2 threads on the same topic*

and so on.

Do you really want that?


It is because of threads like this that has led to your banning in the first place. that you turn topics into huge flamings, maybe you are right and that the members of UL dont want to be told that their university is crap, but thread after thread of shouting at them has firmly put them behind Nukem in his original actions.

There is nothing except apolgising to boards in large for the amount of electronic waste you've set alight (flamer see eh ) and then taking this war somewhere private. Maybe...just maybe if you are sincere enough in your apology people wont be as hostile to you. IF both you, nukem and whatever moderator or super mod is ropped in, have a polite discussion over the events. We might be able to smooth things over.

otherwise just lock the thread now and go home.

Rozie

Silverfish wrote:

Rozie, you were told why you were banned. You refuse to listen to anyone.

You are agressive, insulting, and refuse to accept the opinions of other people, or any rules that are there for the greater good.


You post threads insulting everyone, and expect people to read it, stroke their chins, and say, 'Hmm, I say, Rozie raises a good point, we ARE all ignorant' and praise you for your intelligence.

This will not happen, be it on the internet, or in daily life, college, or work.

I don't think you are one of these people who will ever learn how to interract with other people. I feel sorry for you.

Nope, none of that was true. I was banned for expressing my opinion on my college. Past matters don't matter, if they were so banned I would have been banned then, nor have you provided any example as to said behaviour.

This thread isn't insulting anyone, at least not directly. Also, you care so much about me, but not about the multitidue of trolls that are posting in this thread.

If you want me to listen to "advice", start giving your "advice" to people other than those that disagree with you.

Boston

Peteee

58 threads started by rozie. 12 have been locked/stopped/whatever

Just the facts

DeVore

Or what? You'll stamp you feet and scream until you are sick?

I dont think anyone deserves a PM like that, you are being a feedback-angel forum-devil tbh...

Oh and we allow people to express their opinions more... forthwrightly... here then I would expect a mod to accept, simply because people give feedback in many different forms and some are more robust then others. Perhaps you need to hear from a wide variety of users that you might be part of the problem, then simply hearing it from me.
All the same civility is still a requirement.

DeV.

Rozie

BlitzKrieg wrote:

....*sigh*


Please can you take this crusade somewhere private? I mean even if you get your way and the ban lifted and Nukem executed behind the shed...the reality will be everyone will remember you as *The nutter who wont shut up*, The spammy git who started 2 threads on the same topic*

and so on.

Do you really want that?


It is because of threads like this that has led to your banning in the first place. that you turn topics into huge flamings, maybe you are right and that the members of UL dont want to be told that their university is crap, but thread after thread of shouting at them has firmly put them behind Nukem in his original actions.

There is nothing except apolgising to boards in large for the amount of electronic waste you've set alight (flamer see eh ) and then taking this war somewhere private. Maybe...just maybe if you are sincere enough in your apology people wont be as hostile to you. IF both you, nukem and whatever moderator or super mod is ropped in, have a polite discussion over the events. We might be able to smooth things over.

otherwise just lock the thread now and go home.

I don't think you realise that it usualy takes two side to start a flame war, yet one person was consistently blamed. That's not pleasant at all. What people want to hear shouldn't matter, there should be some level of free speech here.

I have had polite discussions with Nukem over PM before, a long time ago, and he does not respond to it. He was obsessive over his decisions and use of power and completely unresponsive to civility, logic, reason, fairness, facts, or just about anything.

I don't care how people view me. Look around at some of the people posting. I'm going to say it, they're idiots. They're real trolls, just looking for a good fight or chance to flame people without being banned. They're worse than me, only difference is they're afraid of the moderators. You can't give out to me for calling people who are posting flames, trolls, pictures of babies and generic forum pics idiots.

Why would I care what these people think? It just disturbs me that these people are in any way representitive of Ireland as a whole.

What I do care about is my principles, that's something I never let go off.

WhiteWashMan

Rozie wrote:

Wow, talking about proving my point... point #3 for those with difficulty understanding what I just meant. Why do the moderators let all the people replying to this be immature, but I can't even have a justification for a hefty ban? Why do the moderators not care about people trolling and flaming when they're "On their side"? Biased much?

And Nukem, I still think you wholeheartedly deserved that PM(you know, people tend to get angry when you piss them off), but I'm not getting into that here. I posted a mature and calm thread and now you're trying to light it on fire.

It's stupid, and I'm going to ignore the rest of the stupid replies.

I want an unban since no reason was given, or at least a justifiable reason.

by the way, you made two insulting comments that were reported on the AH forum last night.

you were directly abusive to two different people.

should i ban you?

^CwAzY^

Rozie wrote:

Wow, talking about proving my point... point #3 for those with difficulty understanding what I just meant. Why do the moderators let all the people replying to this be immature, but I can't even have a justification for a hefty ban? Why do the moderators not care about people trolling and flaming when they're "On their side"? Biased much?

And Nukem, I still think you wholeheartedly deserved that PM(you know, people tend to get angry when you piss them off), but I'm not getting into that here. I posted a mature and calm thread and now you're trying to light it on fire.

It's stupid, and I'm going to ignore the rest of the stupid replies.

I want an unban since no reason was given, or at least a justifiable reason.

BlitzKrieg

3) People leaping on my in the "Observations on Irish people" is proof that people jump on things that go against what they believe in, regardless of how inflammatory the initial post is. Just take the first few replies and see what I mean. The maturity level of members and moderators comes into question as much as mine.

That thread followed very closely off your original banned from UL thread (you even linked it in the thread) And while the first 3-4 responses to your original thread were civil, you were rude and offensive and it was after you posted a second rude and offensive post that the majority of posters turned against you. The only poster to actually say anythign offensive before that post was Karl Hungus, but he seems to have prior experiance argueing with you. So i wont comment on that.

The reason your other thread got so badly flamed is because you were already the centre of a flaming thread of venom here on feedback and you move on to after hours to start a similar aggressive thread. IF YOU DID NOT HAVE THE THREAD ON FEEDBACK! I can assure you, you would not have been as hotly or as badly flamed as you were.

BuffyBot

Why do the moderators not care about people trolling and flaming when they're "On their side"? Biased much?

Because nobody does it quite like you do. You were given a reason for your banning, but because it's not what you want to hear, you just keep going as if somehow jumping up and down and making lots of noise will make people think "gee, somehow I think maybe we're being unreasonable here lads". Life's not like that.

Silverfish

Rozie, I have been on boards for four years. I have rarely seen anyone cause the amount of hassle you have in the space of one year.

I think, really, if you dislike boards so much, go elsewhere.

This was suggested to you before, and you whined that there was nowhere else. That, I'm afraid, is the problem you have created for yourself. Now, either sit down, shut up and contribute, and stop seeing every single poster and the site as a whole as a potential target to relieve whatever angst you have accumulated, or else please go elsewhere. I don't think we really care where that is.

Time Magazine

Rozie wrote:

What I do care about is my principles, that's something I never let go off.

I never knew you were such a brilliant man, Rozie.

Rozie

BuffyBot wrote:

Because nobody does it quite like you do. You were given a reason for your banning, but because it's not what you want to hear, you just keep going as if somehow jumping up and down and making lots of noise will make people think "gee, somehow I think maybe we're being unreasonable here lads". Life's not like that.

It's nothing to do with "What I wanted to hear", don't be stupid. Those weren't valid reasons and I explained why, and you ignored it. Reference was only made to past "crimes". If those were so severe, I should have been banned for them then. Fact was, I was banned for expressing my opinion and nobody has given me a good reason why.

Stop trying to make me out to be a baby or child when I'm one of the only people here even attempting some level of maturity.

Rozie

Silverfish wrote:

Rozie, I have been on boards for four years. I have rarely seen anyone cause the amount of hassle you have in the space of one year.

I think, really, if you dislike boards so much, go elsewhere.

99% of the "Hassle" I have caused is by being completely revolted with the conduct of the staff and members instead of purposely trying to cause fights. You're making the presumption that there's nothing wrong with the system. If your system is bad, someone will come along eventually and point it out. I was just the first to do so, I'm nobody special in that scale of things.

That's your explanation.

And where is "elswhere"? P45Rant? That's just as bad and much smaller. There is no equivillent forum. There are already people who have the same ideas of me, so I just have to hope more pop up. I got quite a few PMs after this whole nonsense saying they were sorry I suffered from the system and they hated it too, but gave up trying to get anything through.

This is getting stupid. If I'm causing so much hassle, you could just reverse Nukem's decision, as it wasn't justified in the first place. This would be the first time EVER the staff has done something directly fair for me, so I guarantee I'd take it as a sign of change and shut up for a *long* long time to come. People have to accept that it's the way you're treating certain people asm uch as the way certain people are treating you.

Solving it by banning me here is unjustified on top of an already unjusitifed ban

BlitzKrieg

I have had polite discussions with Nukem over PM before, a long time ago, and he does not respond to it. He was obsessive over his decisions and use of power and completely unresponsive to civility, logic, reason, fairness, facts, or just about anything.

If it is alright with both you and Nukem...lets see this Pm conversation and lets see where it has gone wrong...if it is like you say, clearly in Nukem ignoring a *Civil* argument, then i will agree it was an unfair ban.

if they were so banned I would have been banned then,

I believe you were temp banned twice for those past actions. So i believe that twice warned and lesson never learned justifies a perminant ban.

MrJoeSoap

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Tl-c1PusrM

Seriously, do you think the powers that be are going to appreciate you starting a new thread after the original one was closed?

Go read a book or something and try forget about this whole thing (as difficult as it must be...).

Rozie

These are kind of hard to copy/paste, they end up all unformatted.

I believe you were temp banned twice for those past actions. So i believe that twice warned and lesson never learned justifies a perminant ban.

But I've just realised once I got banned for making a "Spam" post which wasn't really a spam post at all. I heard gunshots one night and was wonderring if anyone else heard them.

Re: Banned
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rozie
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nukem
Banned for one week for silly posting in the last few days. Have given you warnings. PM me in a week to lift the ban.

Nukem

That was very mean Other people post just as silly.

Yes, But i have warned them and they have stopped but you continued to post silly remarks., Ex: Spider and Fireworks ???????????????????????

See what I mean by messy..? The Spider was probably from a time I posted about when I had a giant Spider in my room. I have pics somewhere. I just thought it was giant of cool.

Rozie

MrJoeSoap wrote:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Tl-c1PusrM

Seriously, do you think the powers that be are going to appreciate you starting a new thread after the original one was closed?

Go read a book or something and try forget about this whole thing (as difficult as it must be...).

Forget about the whole thing? I don't think you realise that I have to deal with the people in the UL board every day, and it's incredibly uncomfortabel for me. I'm already miserable enough as it is. It bothers me that the staff don't really seem to care how their board affects people's real lives. That's going into an area where "My rules, my board" doesn't apply anymore, and could be even interpretaed as harassment(and not in the "I'll sue you for harassment!" kind of way).

I personally despise that I have to live in fear of the "Powers that be". They should be moderating the board, not instilling fear in people. Maybe if they presented themselves as more fair and understanding there wouldn't be any problems to begin with.

Time Magazine

Rozie, apply formatting with internal quote tags.

Nukem wrote:

Banned for one week for silly posting in the last few days. Have given you warnings. PM me in a week to lift the ban.

Nukem

Rozie wrote:

That was very mean Other people post just as silly.

Yes, But i have warned them and they have stopped but you continued to post silly remarks., Ex: Spider and Fireworks ???????????????????????

Edit: Or just do them individually. All the ones one sent, individually copy and paste within quote tags. All the ones you received, same. Order chronologically.

BuffyBot

If those were so severe, I should have been banned for them then.

The way I understand it is that you were banned from UL forum previously. Then you started again, and you got banned.

Fact was, I was banned for expressing my opinion and nobody has given me a good reason why.

I suspect it's more about the manner in which you continually seem to express your opinion.

kaimera

it's the internet rozie...a bulletin board affecting your life is noones fault but yours really.

kippy

It's stupid, and I'm going to ignore the rest of the stupid replies.

I want an unban since no reason was given, or at least a justifiable reason.

I thought you were going to ignore all these threads........So much for ignoring.
I think the best thing for you to do in this case is try and learn something from this whole escapade, re register with a new nic, put what you have learned into practice and forget about Rozie.....
!BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET OVER IT!
Which appears to be the opinion of the majority.......
Oh yeah- and when you eventually do get out of Limerick best of luck to you in live and on boards.
Kippy

Silverfish

Rozie wrote:

99% of the "Hassle" I have caused is by being completely revolted with the conduct of the staff and members instead of purposely trying to cause fights. You're making the presumption that there's nothing wrong with the system. If your system is bad, someone will come along eventually and point it out. I was just the first to do so, I'm nobody special in that scale of things.

That's your explanation.

And where is "elswhere"? P45Rant? That's just as bad and much smaller. There is no equivillent forum.

Like I said, where you go is not our problem. I'm not 'presuming' there's nothing wrong with the system. There IS nothing wrong with the system. So, you are unhappy with this privately owned site, and want them to change it?
So,by your logic, I presume you also think you are also entitled to turn up at my house and tell me what to do with it?

Rozie wrote:

This is getting stupid. If I'm causing so much hassle, you could just reverse Nukem's decision, as it wasn't justified in the first place. This would be the first time EVER the staff has done something directly fair for me,

I wasn't talking about the hassle here, I'm talking about the hassle on every single forum you've posted on. Why would they unban you for causing hassle, when you were banned for it in the first place?

Thats like saying I get banned for posting spam, then try and get myself unbanned by posting more spam.