Toyota Aygo

Trotter

Just wondering what the thoughts are here on the new Toyota Aygo? Nearly all of my driving is done while sitting in the city traffic so this little fella seems to be the man for me.

Its around 11.5k new.. so Im thinking by January I'd get an 05 for 9500? (I'll be needing a few more months to save up for it).



I might try a test drive for saturday evening.. Just to see if its something Im interested in or not.

drdre

all plasticy and crap
my sister and i went to test drive it and all it was , was plastice and metal.there was all cheap material used. she didnot like it at all and she then bought a polo instead.it well worth spending the extra money as vw are great cars.

also just to tell you top gear said the same that they are cheap plastic cars.anyway the choice is yours

bazz26

Trotter wrote:

Just wondering what the thoughts are here on the new Toyota Aygo? Nearly all of my driving is done while sitting in the city traffic so this little fella seems to be the man for me.

Its around 11.5k new.. so Im thinking by January I'd get an 05 for 9500? (I'll be needing a few more months to save up for it).



I might try a test drive for saturday evening.. Just to see if its something Im interested in or not.

The Aygo is built at the same factory in the Czech Republic as the Peugeot 107 and Citroen C1. All three cars share the same parts but the Toyota will have a 3 year warranty, the others will probably have only 2 years. The 1.0 engine is very economical but a little harsh. Perfect for city driving though.

bazz26

drdre wrote:

all plasticy and crap
my sister and i went to test drive it and all it was , was plastice and metal.there was all cheap material used. she didnot like it at all and she then bought a polo instead.it well worth spending the extra money as vw are great cars.

also just to tell you top gear said the same that they are cheap plastic cars.anyway the choice is yours

The Polo is a more expensive car than the likes of the Aygo, C1 or 107. The Polo also costs about €3k or €4k more than the Aygo. The bigger Yaris is a more direct comparison to the Polo. The terrrible and overpriced VW Lupo is in the same market segment as the Aygo and costs about the same. That has some terrible plastics indeed and alot of visible paint on the inside.

lomb

cheap car though..best bet is test drive it for half an hour and see what u think.

lomb

bazz26 wrote:

alot of visible paint on the inside.

not necessarily a bad thing imho, i always like to see the inside painted as opposed to having plastic covering it:D

bazz26

lomb wrote:

not necessarily a bad thing imho, i always like to see the inside painted as opposed to having plastic covering it:D

Depends on the car and where it is located really. For example the inside of the doors on the Lupo have very little plastic panels, the top where the door meets the window frame is painted and looks terrible imo. It reminded me of my father's old 1981 Fiesta many years ago. In fairness a plasic panel doesn't cost much to produce these days.

Saying that the rear windows on the 5dr Aygo, C1 and 107 don't wind down, they push out instead on a hinge. Just goes to show you €12k doesn't get you much in the way of a new car these days.

Eoin

drdre wrote:

all plasticy and crap
my sister and i went to test drive it and all it was , was plastice and metal.there was all cheap material used. she didnot like it at all and she then bought a polo instead.it well worth spending the extra money as vw are great cars.

also just to tell you top gear said the same that they are cheap plastic cars.anyway the choice is yours

I wouldn't pay much attention to what Top Gear say to be quite honest. As has been said, the Polo isn't really a comparible car, and I think VWs are over priced anyway.

Trotter, if the car isn't actually any good, there must be a load of other cars that fit the bill ? If you reckon you could fit into that car, maybe you could have a look at the Smart car?

Henry Ford III

I find it hard to believe that identical (bar name badges) cars, built with identical parts, on thesame assembly line in the same factory, will have different warranties.

In the UK the Citroen is cheaper, but here in happy cartel land all 3 cars are identically priced.

p.s. If anyone seriously suggests the Toyota badge will mean that the Aygo will have stonger residual values, I suggest you need to call your psychiatrist. It shouldn't and won't.

bazz26

Henry Ford III wrote:

I find it hard to believe that identical (bar name badges) cars, built with identical parts, on thesame assembly line in the same factory, will have different warranties.

In the UK the Citroen is cheaper, but here in happy cartel land all 3 cars are identically priced.

p.s. If anyone seriously suggests the Toyota badge will mean that the Aygo will have stonger residual values, I suggest you need to call your psychiatrist. It shouldn't and won't.

Yes these cars are expensive.

But Peugeot and Citroen like most other main stream European manufactureres have only been offering a 2 year warranty on their cars up to now. I doubt it that they are going to offer 3 years on their entry level car if they are not offering it on the rest of the range.

Citroen main stream models such as the C4, C5, etc in general are priced a bit high to start with, they then introduce heavy discounting on them, i.e. they pay the VAT, etc. They do this big time in the UK also where they have a bigger market share than over here. This has a major impact on resale values of used models.

colm_mcm

Henry Ford III wrote:

p.s. If anyone seriously suggests the Toyota badge will mean that the Aygo will have stonger residual values, I suggest you need to call your psychiatrist. It shouldn't and won't.

I reckon the Aygo will hold its value better than the other two

1) Toyota have done far more marketing that Peugeot or Citroen

2) Longer warranty

3) Better dealer network

4) VW Caddy vans always make better money than Seat Inca vans (even after taking original price difference into account) Even the diabolical looking ?VW Polo saloon made better money than its Seat Cordoba cousin. The same can be said of the Lupo/Arosa

People will pay more for a good brand, if this were not the case nobody would be buying the A3

Henry Ford III

Yes Colm, but these were different vehicles, albeit sharing a lot of common parts. Built in different places, by different teams, with different qulaity standards.

These new cars are built one Toyota, one Peugeot, and one Citroen essentially. They are, bar the badge, identical.

It's hard to fathom how, if differential warranties exist, that Peugeot or Citroen could even hope to sell one at the same price. It's crazy. Perhaps trade in's are a factor? You'd prefer Toyotas etc.

I agree people will pay more for a good brand, but these cars are the same brand, the same builders, the same production line, with badge engineering being the only difference.

Marketing is irrelevant. They are the same.

Dealer network is irrelevant.

Beruthiel

bazz26 wrote:

The Aygo is built at the same factory in the Czech Republic as the Peugeot 107 and Citroen C1.

correct, they are all built with the exact same toyota parts, right down to the dashboard!

All three cars share the same parts but the Toyota will have a 3 year warranty, the others will probably have only 2 years.

that is the only difference between the three cars.
in fact, one reviewer said just go to the nearest garage to your house and buy whatever one they are selling. the only difference between the three is the logo on the front...

I went for the 107 as the toyota garage tried to do me and I wasn't impressed with him.
I only require the car to get me from celbridge to ballyfermot everyday, and for that, it will do the job quite nicely.
I got €560 off, so it's worth trying

colm_mcm

Both the Arosa and Lupo are built in Wolfsburg. The caddy and Inca were both built in spain.



More than a slight resemblance???



The Polo "Classic" saloon was a badge engineed version of the Cordoba, in the same way that the Polo Estate was a re badged Cordoba Vario.



Beruthiel, Wouldn't it make sense to get 1 extra year of warranty cover thrown in, just in case something goes wrong? would be worth driving out of your way for?

css

Henry Ford III wrote:

Marketing is irrelevant. They are the same.

Dealer network is irrelevant.

Thats rubbish.. How come people are still buying VW Golf's when they could have a skoda for cheaper? Ditto, the Leon.. sure it's the same car isn't it..

Henry Ford III

I respectfully suggest you read the post and thread fully.

VW's, Seats, and Skoda's share a lot of common parts. They are built in diffrent sites, with different quality standards. They are "cousins" but are not the same.

These cars are identical triplets, but for a birthmark. They are, bar the T, C, or P badge, identical, and identically produced by the same people at the same plant.

So I stand by what I said, marketing and dealer network, in realtion to these cars, are irrelevant.

colm_mcm

My original reference to the Seat Inca and VW Caddy was an example of how two vehicles built side by side in the same factory could have different resale values simply because of the badge on the front.

Fair enough, the cars should have identical reliability, but given that Toyota has a far bigger dealer network with a better reputation than Citroen or Peugeot, and the fact that the Toyota gives you 1 year longer warranty, why would you buy the 107 or C1?


Also, there are more differences other than badges, headlights, rear lights, and most outer body panels are different

Henry Ford III

Having more dealers doesn't mean they are 1 iota better. I'm not certain you can be objective in relation to reputation, since you work for a Toyota dealer.

The warranty thing is crazy, but advanatage Toyota if it's as described. How can anyone give a years longer warranty on a mechanically identical car? The error here is with Citroen and Peugeot, as they only offer 2 years on their other cars. They will have to discount to compensate I feel, and Toyotas advantage will be gone perhaps?

Visually they are at least very similar.....

colm_mcm

apart from Toyota having more dealers, they get higher CSI scores

There's not really any room to discount heavily as the margins on the cars are miniscule

BrianD3

Of course the Aygo will hold its value better. Here on the Motors forum we know that the 3 cars are identical and built in the same factory. But your average Joe Public won't know that and will be blissfully ignorant of it. All he'll see is the Toyota badge. The badge alone will keep demand and 2nd hand values higher than those for the Citroen and Peugeot versions.

Henry Ford III

This is now making a bit more sense.

The market is a cartel. Prices are the same for all 3 cars. Toyota offers a 3rd year of warranty, and the others will have to discount or will get no "straight cash" sales. Trade ins could be "interesting".

Margins may be tight but no dealer is a charity presumably?

Henry Ford III

BrianD3 wrote:

Of course the Aygo will hold its value better. Here on the Motors forum we know that the 3 cars are identical and built in the same factory. But your average Joe Public won't know that and will be blissfully ignorant of it. All he'll see is the Toyota badge. The badge alone will keep demand and 2nd hand values higher than those for the Citroen and Peugeot versions.

Joe Public is a mug in that case.

colm_mcm

Joe public may well be a mug!


Do you really think that an Audi A3 1.6 costs €7,000 more to build than a Golf 1.6?

Henry Ford III

No, but I've never bought either

One is seriously overpriced and poorly equipped, and the other one is the Audi;)

colm_mcm

So it's generally acceptable for VAG to charge €30,000 for a 3 door hatchback, and €23,000 for another 3 door hatchback. but unfair for the Aygo to have a better resale value than the C1?

Henry Ford III

No it's not. Both are pricey, but the Audi is silly expensive. Some poor mugs still buy them presumably.

The Aygo and C1 are the same price however.....

(this could go on a bit do you reckon?)

maidhc

Same thing goes for Tractors:

New Holland make CaseIH tractors, they both look the same, and are the same except for the colour and grille design.

The New Holland one will make better money s/h.

colm_mcm

maidhc wrote:

Same thing goes for Tractors:

New Holland make CaseIH tractors, they both look the same, and are the same except for the colour and grille design.

The New Holland one will make better money s/h.

Yeah, but blue tractors look so much better than red ones, and therefore should be more expensive!

Henry Ford III

Massy is classy, but Zetor is better

colm_mcm

Zetor is very much the Skoda Octavia of tractors............




(following the rule that 2% of posts must contain the word "Octavia")

Henry Ford III

colm_mcm wrote:

Zetor is very much the Skoda Octavia of tractors............




(following the rule that 2% of posts must contain the word "Octavia")

I'll take your word for that

colm_mcm

well, both Zetor and Skoda originated in Czeckeslovakia

maidhc

colm_mcm wrote:

Zetor is very much the Skoda Octavia of tractors............

Mmmm, not really. They were never bought out by a big company to start with and repeated financial problems have plagued them since the 90's.

They have fine engines (which sadly couldnt be made Tier III compliant), but the brakes and hydraulic systems were poor. Always had fiddley things going wrong (think Citroen...) They lost their huge price advantage in recent years as well which meant they simply were not worth bothering with.

Apologies for taking this tread on a mild diversion (but I can assure people tractors are more interesting than Aygos!)

colm_mcm

maidhc wrote:

Apologies for taking this tread on a mild diversion (but I can assure people tractors are more interesting than Aygos!)

You might be right!

In fairness to Zetor they were fairly innovative, a neighbour of mine had a Zetor Crystal (decades ago) and it was miles ahead of anything else at the time. replaced with an Ursus 1014 (think they're related to Zetor as well)

Trotter

Good God what have I started!! Stop attacking my Aygo buzz with TRACTORS! Big Bullies.

Now.. So the Aygo isnt actually a toyota. Hmm.
BUT.. for the same price, same car, I get an extra year warranty and lets face it.. better resale value. Im thinking Aygo.

Then again, it'll be next year when I buy it, and it may be a second hand one I buy. (Hopefully with less than 5k on the clock).. so maybe I'll get nabbed for the high price of second hand Toyotas too.

I'd see the extra year warranty and good dealer cover as a confidence measure and to me thats worth money. If it stops in the middle of the road, I want to know that theres a garage nearby thats going to sort it quickly and for free if its under warranty still.

I could buy a year old Aygo and still have 2 years warranty! Thats a strong selling point for getting a second hand one.

Anyways.. from the car makers websites...
Aygo Terra (Basic Model) € 11550
Citroen C1 € 11,550
Peugeot 107 € 11550

And its crazy.. Im just amazed that they are the exact same car.
Still.. the Aygo wins on warranty and resale value.


And if all else fails... I can put blades under it and cut my grass!

colm_mcm

you don't want the basic model though

no central locking, electric windows, colour coded handles, no side airbags.....

Trotter

Its £6,745 in the UK.. Thats roughly €9700 !!!

We're being robbed!!!!

colm_mcm

VRT of €2800,
If you're being robbed it's by the government.
It's just as well they spend it all so wisely.......

Trotter

colm_mcm wrote:

VRT of €2800,
If you're being robbed it's by the government.
It's just as well they spend it all so wisely.......

Dont get me started..

Phone.Book

Just had a quick look on Parkers.co.uk and they all scored very well 4.5 stars out of 5 the Polo got 4 stars.

When I check the expected resale value of the 3 cars after 3 years the toyota held it value better than the other 2.

http://www.parkers.co.uk/pricing/specs/derivative.aspx?manu=&model=1381
http://www.parkers.co.uk/pricing/specs/derivative.aspx?manu=&model=1402
http://www.parkers.co.uk/pricing/specs/derivative.aspx?manu=&model=1397

If it were up to me I would go for the Aygo as I think when you do go to sale it more people would go for the Toyota.

krt475

Donno what you guys are saying but all 3 cars are not entirely the same. The AYGO has a VVTi Engine in it (in fact there is not timing belt, but a Timing GEAR). The 107 and C1 to my knowlege are not equiped with VVTi.

Also I have read on a magazine (cannot remmeber which one off hand), that the AYGO shares the same Chassis, BUT since toyota was not entirly satisfied with the chassis, the whole chassis has been re-inforced under their supervision for the AGO model, 107 and C1 kept the original chassis, the down side is that the aygo is obviosly heavier that its sisters.

Maybe with the VVTi Engine and the re-inforced chassis, Toyota feel that the car is Up to their standards (unlike AYGO's Sisters) and therefor have awarded it a 3 year Warranty.

Even though it is a matter of opinions, the AYGO is to my standards the Beutifull one of the three sisters, having 2 ugly sisters in the famly. The interior is in fact all the same, yeah true.

Just drive the car and you notice the excellent build quality, no way would you compare a Toyota to a VW btw. I have owned VWs and other continental cars, but sorry to report., I hated all the lot. Very VERY un-reliable. Reaching engine parts in the engine bay is not just difficult but almost impossible (you frequently have to buy a special tool for everything in continental cars) , unlike Toyota cars, where all Toyotas I have ever worked on has a very simple and intiuative way of building their cars (also all Toyota cars I worked on were successfully worked upon with just a standard Screw driver set and spanners) and easily dismantled the parts needing replacment.

This helps in keeping all Maintanance and Repairs costs down. Having continental cars means paying an arm and a leg for minor repairs because most of the engine had to be dismantled because most parts were impossible to reach which in turn translated in awsome labour costs.

Well, keeping that in mind all the toyotas I have ever owned were pretty trouble free (having some of them last 15 years with all parts still original (except the odd battry change or Silensor repair)). The need for such Repairs was never that often and always costed me peanuts.

So yes, go ahead and get yourself a Toyota, it is well worth it.

Regards

Kurt
Malta

colm_mcm

that's a load of rubbish about the engine and chassis. and though I like Toyotas, the interiors of VW's are top quality

krt475

colm_mcm wrote:

that's a load of rubbish about the engine and chassis. and though I like Toyotas, the interiors of VW's are top quality

Really, find me anywhere where it is stated that the 107 or C1 is a VVTi engine.

Kurt

krt475

colm_mcm wrote:

that's a load of rubbish about the engine and chassis. and though I like Toyotas, the interiors of VW's are top quality

BTW, I never insulted VW interiors, VW interior are obviosly better sorted out and more of a quality feel, but the story ends there. Did you know that the AYGO's Dash Surface has that un-usual patterned plastic (which I like btw), that material is UV Resistant.

My VW Golf's Dashboard simply cracked from all parts in the Maltese Sun. So as you might immagine, now the Dash of the GOLF is no pretty sight. So a UV Resistant material is a more than welcome addition to the car.

What I do not like in the car (must admit), even thought I have the full SPORT Version, the other doors (all doors except driver door) lack the Door 'Open' sensor, for the light to go on when a passenger comes in (therefor the light goes on only when driver enters the car). Instead in all the passengers doors, the sensor is blanked out with a piece of rubber. Also it only informes the driver to wear the safty belt. it ignores if any of the other occupants failed to wear the safety belt.

Quite disappointed that toyota have come to that extream to keep the car cheap to build.

regards

Kurt

colm_mcm

the lack of light switches on the other doors is a bit unusual alright, considering how cheap they are. but lots of cars lack a passenger seatbelt reminder!

Another fault i have with them is the positioning of the electric window switches, you can't control the passenger window from the drivers side.
If the switches were on the dash as in the mk2 punto it'd be better.

krt475

colm_mcm wrote:

the lack of light switches on the other doors is a bit unusual alright, considering how cheap they are. but lots of cars lack a passenger seatbelt reminder!

Another fault i have with them is the positioning of the electric window switches, you can't control the passenger window from the drivers side.
If the switches were on the dash as in the mk2 punto it'd be better.

Yeah, I totally forgot about that. i found myself a number of times stretching to open the passenger window with no passenger present. Why .. Oh.. Why???

take care

Kurt

colm_mcm

seems a bit silly alright. I mean they splashed out in some areas of the car, stereo for example is quite good quality

krt475

colm_mcm wrote:

seems a bit silly alright. I mean they splashed out in some areas of the car, stereo for example is quite good quality

Now honestly, wich of the three would you chose?

well, as an owner I am very impressed by the little car, I was at first attracted at the SMART, but 2 seats and that chain rattling noise that the gearbox does on the smart kept me looking for another car until I saw the first aygo. I was immediatly in love and bought one 1 week later. Still new, only 2 months old now, but I never regretted my choice. It is true I was not too impressed about the interior plastics (in fact I hated them (thought they were cheap looking)) and in fact I thought about it before I placed my order for the car. The fact remains, i needed a small car capable of giving me good economy, is reliable and is attractive to look at. That is why I bought the aygo, and I love the car as much as I love my MR2 and Rx7, which b4 seeing the aygo I thought I can never love anything as much as them. But I am now cruising around busy roads effortlessly and happyly in the aygo.

well.. that is my thought!.

gn now take care everyone

colm_mcm

I'd go with the Aygo, simply cos it'll be worth more and the warranty's longer. They're all the same mechanically and priced similarly

krt475

colm_mcm wrote:

I'd go with the Aygo, simply cos it'll be worth more and the warranty's longer. They're all the same mechanically and priced similarly

Please Please Please, prove me wrong, but do not tell me that mechanically thay are identicle. Identicle would mean all of them are VVT-i , but I No-where I found the VVT-i Words in either of the 107 and C1.

Not Trying to be a spoil sport or anything. Trust me, I would not mind being wrong about it, but on the other hand if anyone was to say that the 107 or C1 had a identicle engine, I would need proof to beleive it. Unless this proof is brought forward, i will remain curios all of my life!

So please someone, anyone. Give me proof!

thanks

Kurt

colm_mcm

they are all VVT-i, but since this is a toyota trade mark, Peugeot or Citroen don't use it.

The C1 is a city car that can also be safely driven on major roads. Its engines are sufficiently powerful for this type of use.
The modern engines and limited weight of the C1 ensure low fuel consumption.


From www.citroen.com

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1.0i engine
The C1 offers a choice of two engines, both satisfying the Euro IV standard:

• A 68 bhp 1.0i petrol engine, supplied by Toyota and mated with:
- a 5-speed manual gearbox,
- or a SensoDrive automated gearbox, also 5-speed.

This petrol engine is a new three-cylinder model (four valves per cylinder), offering one of the highest levels of fuel economy in its segment. It consumes just 4.6 l/km over a combined cycle. Its low CO2 emissions (109 g/km) also set it apart from the competition.

In terms of performance, this is a responsive engine, delivering a strong linear increase in speed. It develops 50 kW (68 bhp EEC) at 6,000 rpm and torque of 93 Nm at 3,600 rpm. This engine also features variable valve timing (VVT) to optimise filling of the combustion chambers at all engine speeds.