Over 21's policy in Tesco?

JohnCleary

Was just doing my shopping there and noticed a poster at the counter:

"Under 21? If you look under 21, we will ask you for ID, don't get offended. Get yourself an AgeCard"

Now the topic of the AgeCard has been discussed before - Tesco mainly only accept AgeCards as ID.

But can they refuse to sell alcohol to under 21's? I suppose in theory, they could refuse to sell an apple to the president... Just got me thinking

feylya

They're not refusing, they're just covering themselves. If they think you look under 21, they ask you to prove that you're over 18.

JohnCleary

I'll never understand Tesco management... Suppose, good way to cover their own ar$es though

bennyx_o

Noticed a sign like this in the local Statoil this evening.

seamus

JohnCleary wrote:

But can they refuse to sell alcohol to under 21's? I suppose in theory, they could refuse to sell an apple to the president... Just got me thinking

They cannot discriminate on the basis of age. Thus, they can't refuse to sell alcohol to someone who is over 18 but under 21. Clubs can refuse *entry* to someone below a certain age, provided that they have a sign clearly stating this restriction, but shops cannot refuse to sell in the same way.

However, this particular policy states that you will be asked to show ID to prove that you are over 18, if you look under 21.
Superquinn has a similar policy, but the guideline age is 25.

dbnavan

In america if you look under 30 they will ID you(worked in a shop there for a summer), even though the legal age is 21. just to cover their own ass. I would have no problem with that here.

rsta

lol yeah they are cracking down on the underage serving thing now. i think its after that teenage girl who was 15 or somthing got served in loads of off licences as a research project for some radio company (im pretty sure that was the project anyway correct me if i wrong).

but last week i got id'd in tesco! lol! i buy drink there regularly and have never got asked for id. but last week this oul one asked me for id. i was like oooh thanks il take that as a compliment i said as i took out my driving licence
then she looks at my licence and says oh im sorry but we can only accept the garda age card. i was like eh hello im 26! im hardly going to get a garda age card that is for 18 year olds! i said well look u can see im well over 21 so if ur not gonna serve me il just toddle accross to molloys offie then she says well ok its just we had a big meeting over the underage serving and if im caught serving someone under 18 ill lose my job. i said dont worry u wont lose your job!

on my way out of tescos then i noticed loads of little flyers about if you dont look over 21 you'll be asked for id.

....but arent superquinn way ahead of this with their huge posters saying 'if you're lucky enough to look under 25 you will be asked for id'.........:rolleyes:

JohnCleary

I can imagine it now... some kid going into Tesco:

"Hey i'm well over 21... look at the stuble.. ive been working on it for over a month now!"

drdre

there just tring to cover there back side, before they get sued.:D

JC 2K3

Apparently it's fairly easy to buy alcohol without ID on one of those self-service machhines there...

Blisterman

I think the sign means, if you look under 21, they won't serve you without ID.

Mossy Monk

i watched in Tesco 2 weeks ago as a group of lads were refused alcohol on the fact that they had passports for id. they all looked legal age. "the law says i cannot sell to you. passports are not good enough" or something very similar she announced. is that legal?

jimmycrackcorm

It would make my day if someone would ask me for id.....

MrJoeSoap

Mossy Monk wrote:

i watched in Tesco 2 weeks ago as a group of lads were refused alcohol on the fact that they had passports for id. they all looked legal age. "the law says i cannot sell to you. passports are not good enough" or something very similar she announced. is that legal?

I think some places are starting to refuse passports and only accept Garda ID's (and possibly drivers licenses, not sure). Passports have been quite easy to fake for a while now and thats probably why. Not sure about the legal side of things though.

zuma

Mossy Monk wrote:

i watched in Tesco 2 weeks ago as a group of lads were refused alcohol on the fact that they had passports for id. they all looked legal age. "the law says i cannot sell to you. passports are not good enough" or something very similar she announced. is that legal?

Refused...even thought they had passports.....that must be illegal!!!!

When my younger brother turned 18 he spent a couple of months with his passport in his pocket until the local bars knew him.
Its the only ID that we have to count on in any part of the world....the Foreign Affairs minister says so...hahaha!!!

Binomate

Look at the Intoxicating Liquor Act 1988. It states that anyone above 18 and under 21 who is in a licenced premises is required to have an 'age document'. If you don't you can face a fine as far as I remember. I was refused the sale of Alcohol from Tescos because I didn't have a Garda ID. Instead I had a valid full category B drivers licence and a college ID to prove my age which are valid age documents. Waiting on a reply from some TD now and an email back from Tescos managment. Hopefully some compensation will be coming my way.

Creamy Goodness

being 19 myself it's ridiculous especially in tesco's.

went in there the other week to pick up a few cans for a night in.

this is what i had with me to confirm my identity.

passport (a new one with the black/white photo) that look impossible to fake.
full drivers license with the same name as on the passport
a credit card with the same name as the above two (wished to pay for the items with this)
a pair of car keys
college id (although i think most places don't count this).

yet i was still told "garda id or no sale".

MrJoeSoap

Cremo wrote:

being 19 myself it's ridiculous especially in tesco's.

went in there the other week to pick up a few cans for a night in.

this is what i had with me to confirm my identity.

passport (a new one with the black/white photo) that look impossible to fake.
full drivers license with the same name as on the passport
a credit card with the same name as the above two (wished to pay for the items with this)
a pair of car keys
college id (although i think most places don't count this).

yet i was still told "garda id or no sale".

Thats plain ridiculous.

Dr. Octagon

seamus wrote:

They cannot discriminate on the basis of age. Thus, they can't refuse to sell alcohol to someone who is over 18 but under 21. Clubs can refuse *entry* to someone below a certain age, provided that they have a sign clearly stating this restriction, but shops cannot refuse to sell in the same way.

However, this particular policy states that you will be asked to show ID to prove that you are over 18, if you look under 21.
Superquinn has a similar policy, but the guideline age is 25.

Being asked to produce ID is fair enough.

I'm 20, nearly 21 and Supervalue in Dean's Grange have a policy of not serving anyone under 21 whether they have id or not. I had my age card and passport with me and they still wouldn't serve me. They even had the tenacity to apologise! If they were really sorry for the inconvience then would they respect my legal right to purchase alcohol...

Is this even legal?

Lump

The reserve the right to refuse to serve anyone they want. It is their shop after all. There has been a fair few long threads about this type of thing before, although they normally turn in to how much of **** bouncers are.

John

Victor

Binomate wrote:

Look at the Intoxicating Liquor Act 1988. It states that anyone above 18 and under 21 who is in a licenced premises is required to have an 'age document'. If you don't you can face a fine as far as I remember. I was refused the sale of Alcohol from Tescos because I didn't have a Garda ID. Instead I had a valid full category B drivers licence and a college ID to prove my age which are valid age documents. Waiting on a reply from some TD now and an email back from Tescos managment. Hopefully some compensation will be coming my way.

College ID is no use to you.

Threads here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054901937and here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054854848

Töpher

Never been ID'd in Tesco's. Odd, cuz I look about 15, or so I'm told - and get ID'd everywhere!

Though nothing will beat a stop-off in Monaghan on a trip to Derry, to see one of the lads being ID'd when asking for a pint of water in a pub!

dbnavan

Cremo wrote:

being 19 myself it's ridiculous especially in tesco's.

went in there the other week to pick up a few cans for a night in.

this is what i had with me to confirm my identity.

passport (a new one with the black/white photo) that look impossible to fake.
full drivers license with the same name as on the passport
a credit card with the same name as the above two (wished to pay for the items with this)
a pair of car keys
college id (although i think most places don't count this).

yet i was still told "garda id or no sale".

While i agree that it was totally harsh since u had all that ID at the end of the day if dont feel like selling you a jar of pickles, they have the right to refuse a sale.

btw U dont have to be 18 to carry car keys, or to drive for that fact

dbnavan

Binomate wrote:

Look at the Intoxicating Liquor Act 1988. It states that anyone above 18 and under 21 who is in a licenced premises is required to have an 'age document'. If you don't you can face a fine as far as I remember. I was refused the sale of Alcohol from Tescos because I didn't have a Garda ID. Instead I had a valid full category B drivers licence and a college ID to prove my age which are valid age documents. Waiting on a reply from some TD now and an email back from Tescos managment. Hopefully some compensation will be coming my way.

Compensation..... LMAO don't hold your breath, you will be lucky to get a sorry for the inconvinance letter.

What were u expecting 6 cans of Royal Dutch. (sorry couldnt resist);)

Binomate

dbnavan wrote:

While i agree that it was totally harsh since u had all that ID at the end of the day if dont feel like selling you a jar of pickles, they have the right to refuse a sale.

btw U dont have to be 18 to carry car keys, or to drive for that fact

Sure they have the right to refuse sale, but not on the basis that someone is black or too young but with in the legal age limit with a valid ID.

dbnavan wrote:

Compensation..... LMAO don't hold your breath, you will be lucky to get a sorry for the inconvinance letter.

What were u expecting 6 cans of Royal Dutch. (sorry couldnt resist)

Personally I'm hoping for a few cupons or a pineapple or something.

dbnavan

Binomate wrote:

Sure they have the right to refuse sale, but not on the basis that someone is black or too young but with in the legal age limit with a valid ID.

They are covered as they ask for Garda ID, which they are entitled to choose what ID they accept, your local TD who you wrote to will probably be happy to hear that tesco only accept government approved age card, the TD's are more worried about those who do get served and shouldnt then those who dont and should.

Hobbes

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Passports have been quite easy to fake for a while now

ROFLMAO. Yea right.

The only reason I can see a passport not being used is where the photo is 10 years old and the person who owns the passport has a brother whos younger using it. Agecards have shorter validations?

Sam Vimes

Hobbes wrote:

ROFLMAO. Yea right.

The only reason I can see a passport not being used is where the photo is 10 years old and the person who owns the passport has a brother whos younger using it. Agecards have shorter validations?

passports are quite easy to fake but then so are age cards. i've seen people with both. i'm 21 now and so can't get an age card as far as i know so what am i supposed to do in tesco?

it'll be a case of tesco saying i'm too young and the state saying i'm too old

Victor

I know, I know, I know!!!!

You sue Tesco for discrimination, because they have no legal right to ask for ID from over 21s

Sparky

I got asked for ID in Tescos before, I showed the passport and the woman said it was fake. She did'nt say it looked fake, she said it was a fake.

I asked how was it a fake? She replied with, ive seen a load of young lads like yourself trying to buy drink, you are underage I cant sell liquor to you.

So with that I asked for the manager, I got the manager and asked How did I get into New York on a fake passport? The manager looked through the passport and found a NYC stamp that was signed, so he told the woman who was red in the face to serve me.
So as a kick in the face I payed with my credit card, you know the ones they give to under 18's

SantaHoe

Sparky-s wrote:

The manager looked through the passport and found a NYC stamp that was signed, so he told the woman who was red in the face to serve me.

Haha, that's f*cking class
Mrs. Wannabe Immigration officer gets pwned.

OLDYELLAR

Im 22 and I got refused drink in Tesco Thursday , had my drivers license but no go , I was fairly mad as she pointed to a poster that wasnt there and goes well there should be a poster about it . I could go on and on but theres no point Ive been onto the Office of the Director of consumer affairs about this already and no go its store policy.

MorningStar

OLDYELLAR wrote:

Im 22 and I got refused drink in Tesco Thursday , had my drivers license but no go , .

Very easy to get a fake drivers licence. They cost about €10. THe gaurds very rarely even check them with the station when you are stopped so it is a disgrace that an easy to fake document is used on the roads.

ilovemybrick

im nineteen but look older. never get asked for id. as bouncers dont like asking for id upwards(im 6'4).but i got askeded in a rather prominent pub in town last week when i went in at two in the afternoon and was buying a sandwich and soupwith a friend who is 28. they refused me service because i only had my passport (which i carry EVERYWHERE). all i could do was laugh and walk out.

SantaHoe

ilovemybrick wrote:

was buying a sandwich and soupwith a friend who is 28. they refused me service because i only had my passport

Uh, did you tell them you only wanted soup and a sandwich?
Not sure I'd walk out on principle alone tbh.

Hobbes

Commander Vimes wrote:

passports are quite easy to fake

Passports are not easy to fake at all, even if they were while you might get a slap on the hand for a faked agecard you would be looking at serious jailtime for a faked passport. Likewise with fake drivers license, which is also not easy to fake.

Passport+Drivers license have the same level of protection (if not more) as European Currency. If you can fake them, why not just forget about the drink and fake the currency.

um7y1h83ge06nx

I think it's a good idea to be strict on age when buying alcohol, there is too much underage drinking imo. But some places like Tesco just take the p*ss.

A passport not a good enough form of ID! :eek: People, if they don't want your money, then just go elsewhere.

There is one pub that myself and my friends got refused for no reason one night. We had only two pints each in us, were dressed well, not being rowdy, and all 21 or 22. Since then, we have made a pact not to go in there again, and we're still sticking to our guns.

MorningStar

Hobbes wrote:

Passports are not easy to fake at all, even if they were while you might get a slap on the hand for a faked agecard you would be looking at serious jailtime for a faked passport. Likewise with fake drivers license, which is also not easy to fake.

Passport+Drivers license have the same level of protection (if not more) as European Currency. If you can fake them, why not just forget about the drink and fake the currency.

AS I said A fake drivers licence is very easy to buy and they cost about €10. Been around for years and AFAIK not a big legal issue for somebody underage using fake ID. They will be considered a minor offense

Aporia

I think it's a good idea to be strict on age when buying alcohol, there is too much underage drinking imo.

the main method in which underaged people get drink is by asking someone over the age of 18 to get it for them.

when I was 13, a 24 year old bought my friends and I, drink on a regular basis.

my 18th is coming up pretty soon and i'm just wondering is it possible to use just a passport on the night... or can you be refused with your passport in cettain cases...

MorningStar

Aporia wrote:

the main method in which underaged people get drink is by asking someone over the age of 18 to get it for them.

I guess it depends on where you live. In my area in Dublin we used fake ID and this was the most popular method. Using people who looked old being the bigger issue.

On a side note, older people getting booze for people is an issue. I know of somebody who was sexually abused by somebody used to get him drink. I would never get drink for somebody underage once I found this out.

Hobbes

MorningStar wrote:

AS I said A fake drivers licence is very easy to buy and they cost about €10.

Being easy to buy and being actually on par with an actual driving license are two completly different things. If they are selling you one for 10 euros it is so crap its unlikely to fool anyone and yes you will get into serious trouble for using a forgery.

Aporia

MorningStar wrote:

I know of somebody who was sexually abused by somebody used to get him drink. I would never get drink for somebody underage once I found this out.

so the person getting the drink for the underaged person was sexually abused

if that's the case it's still no excuse. you can't blame sexual abuse for everything that goes wrong in your life.

or did you mean the other way around...


i'm angry at the person who used to buy me drink [usually bottles of vodka] when i was just 13 although i'm still only 17 now i was a completely different person back then and had no idea what i was doing really... i'd never buy alcohol for someone that young knowing what it's like to be a 12/13 year old...

RefulgentGnomon

I think there's a thing in business called 'invitation to treat' whereby the price on an item only allows you to make an offer of that much money to them. It's up to them whether they accept the offer or not. They can refuse anyone they want.

MorningStar

Hobbes wrote:

Being easy to buy and being actually on par with an actual driving license are two completly different things. If they are selling you one for 10 euros it is so crap its unlikely to fool anyone and yes you will get into serious trouble for using a forgery.

THey look very real as they are made with all the right stuff. People steal the lamenit and the paper then produce their own. As good as the real thing. If you haven't seen them you must not have low class friends:D . THey have been constantly avilable for over 10 years.

Aporia wrote:

so the person getting the drink for the underaged person was sexually abused

if that's the case it's still no excuse. you can't blame sexual abuse for everything that goes wrong in your life.

i'm angry at the person who used to buy me drink [usually bottles of vodka] when i was just 13 although i'm still only 17 now i was a completely different person back then and had no idea what i was doing really... i'd never buy alcohol for someone that young knowing what it's like to be a 12/13 year old...

Sorry wasn't very clear. The person getting the drink for the underage person abused the underage person. I didn't want to be even vaguely responsible for kids asking older people for aclohol which may lead to their abuse.

I would never ever got drink for somebody so young as 13. I wouldn't do it for a 16 year old either now but did when I was myslef and up to 19 when I then found out about my friend.

Victor

RefulgentGnomon wrote:

I think there's a thing in business called 'invitation to treat' whereby the price on an item only allows you to make an offer of that much money to them. It's up to them whether they accept the offer or not. They can refuse anyone they want.

Meaningless when you will sell to all others, but not to someone because of their perceived age.

Hobbes

MorningStar wrote:

THey look very real as they are made with all the right stuff. People steal the lamenit and the paper then produce their own. As good as the real thing. If you haven't seen them you must not have low class friends:D . THey have been constantly avilable for over 10 years.

Sorry but your full of crap. If they were steal the stuff they still need special machinery to merge the two without one or more of the security features being comprimised. Having worked in the that field I can tell you straight off that the paper and goods are all treated like real world currency (through all parts of the creation process) and even the waste is audited to determine if stuff is stolen.

Thats not to say there are forgeries out there, but the example you have given is bunk.

Anyway, you would be better off asking an older person to buy it for you then get a criminal record for having forged government documents.

MorningStar

Hobbes wrote:

Sorry but your full of crap. If they were steal the stuff they still need special machinery to merge the two without one or more of the security features being comprimised. Having worked in the that field I can tell you straight off that the paper and goods are all treated like real world currency (through all parts of the creation process) and even the waste is audited to determine if stuff is stolen.

Thats not to say there are forgeries out there, but the example you have given is bunk.

Anyway, you would be better off asking an older person to buy it for you then get a criminal record for having forged government documents.

I think you have a strange view of what can be forged. Shopping vouchers produced by shops are more difficult to fake than an Irish drivers' licence. I know what I have seen and while I am sure you could find out they are fake they look and feel right. I have yet to see a cop scan one under an ultra violet light at the side of the road.

I also pointed out older people can take advantage of drunk kids.

Hobbes

MorningStar wrote:

I think you have a strange view of what can be forged. Shopping vouchers produced by shops are more difficult to fake than an Irish drivers' licence. I know what I have seen and while I am sure you could find out they are fake they look and feel right. I have yet to see a cop scan one under an ultra violet light at the side of the road.

I also pointed out older people can take advantage of drunk kids.

There are more protections then just UV in most secure documents. I can see 7 offhand looking at my license but thats because I know what to look for.

JohnCleary

Hobbes wrote:

There are more protections then just UV in most secure documents. I can see 7 offhand looking at my license but thats because I know what to look for.

What are they... just out of curiousity (I love looking at my license under a UV light)

MorningStar

Hobbes wrote:

There are more protections then just UV in most secure documents. I can see 7 offhand looking at my license but thats because I know what to look for.

These are all impossible to copy? Do you think somebody in a pub or off licence can see these? If the public aren't informed what is the point? If a cop is out on a cold rainy night using a tourch is he going to see them or feel the them with his gloves on?

mickymg2003

I get asked for id everytime i go out(not in tesco tho) I'm only 17..it says my real date of birth but i've never had trouble because the dates never looked at...just the picture and i know other people who do this.