Cheltenham Wednesday bets

chopper1981

Just wanted some people's opinions on tomorrows races. I was thinking of opposing some of the favourites. In the first race it seems like Denman is most people's banker for the week, but was thinking that refinement ew at 7s or without Denman at 7-2 would be better value. Commercial flyer seems to be very highly thought of for the 2nd race.

In the Queen Mother I was thinking of going against Kauto Star as I only found out he has never raced at Cheltenham at all. It's also hard to have confidence in Moscow after this seasons performances if though it might have been down to the yard. I was looking at either Central House or Fota Island. Both have won good races in Ireland and barring any more mistaken finishing posts Central house could be in with a good chance.

Don't know a great deal about the other races but was going to go for skys the limit ew 5 places (powers) in the 4.00. In the 4.40 i;m going for black apalachi as if conditions are similar they would suit as I think I remember him winning well on soft ground in a good race at leopardstown at christmas. In the last i was going to go for Equus Maximus in the Bumper as Mullins always does well in this and this seems to be his best hope

decies

I think you are not far off my thinking am also going for Skys the limit.Black Apalachi and maximus.

Our ben ruby walsh 2-35 .Must have a chance says the guy with a 16 euro profit on tuesday:rolleyes:

Lexus1976

Queen Mother
Central House e/w

Royal Sun Alliance Chase
Bold Bishop e/w

I'm getting that sinking feeling again!!

GuanYin

Made about 60 Euro profit yesterday, mainly thank to Ruby Walsh so I'll be looking at him today!

2.00 Denman WIN
Refinement PLACE

2.35 Star De Mohaison E/W
The Railway Man PLACE
Our Ben E/W

3.15 Kauto Star WIN
Central House PLACE
Fundamentalist E/W (Because someone predicted it in Paranormal)

4.00 Royal Paradise E/W

4.40 Black Apalachi E/W
Underwriter E/W

5.20 Equus Maximus WIN
Pangborne E/W


I'll see you at the loan sharks....

persian

Only backing 2 horses tomorrow
2.00 Zaiyad:top french form and not to be underestimated,if Denman is'nt 100%,this one will highlight any chinks in the favourites armour 250 win

3.15 Fundamentalist:if this one fulfils his undoubted potential he could cause a shock here,imo moscow flyer is past his best,fota island and central house are not good enough and kauto star is no value,@25/1 Fundamentalist looks great value,perhaps dempsey can trouble him.

masterK

For those who are looking for a bit of value to oppose Denman with Paddy Power are refunding losing bets on the horse that finishes 2nd to Denman. The fact PP are putting up this bet means they don't think Denman will be winning, they were right yesterday with a similar offer on Sweet Wake and Racing Demon.

eirebhoy

Denman will win.

Drummerboy2

Anyone know if Ladbrokes are paying out on horses placed 4th.

chump

eirebhoy wrote:

Denman will win.

I'd agree with this. I think it's the safest bet of the week. I still wouldn't go OTT with it though.

The 1st 3 races will decide if I bet in any of the other races today, and possibly tomorrow.

I need a return from
Denman WIN
Darkness EW
Moscow EW

I'm a bit wary about Darkness jumping well enough, and there is a real chance Moscow will just flop, but such are the risks.

slumped

PaddyPower are offering odds of 8-1 on Moscow being Pulled up.

Think I'll get myself some of that.

If Flyer is not performing well (which we know he's not), me thinks that they would rather pull him up than have him humiliatingly defeated.

Any other takers??

Also - my treble of the day

2.00 - Denman
2.35 - Our Ben
3.15 - Kauto Star

COME ON RUBY!

cosmap

Hard to see who will beat Denman, he will be galloping all the way up the hill.

Queen Mother is hard to pick, fav very short and could be turned over. Moscow ?? Central House definitely ew but has to jump well all the way.

2.35 Our Ben
4.00 EW Bets - Verasi / Phar Bleu & Good Thyne Jack
4.40 Another Rum & Parsons Legacy EW (Both places at Chel last year)
5.20 Perce Rock

DeadParrot

I got Denman AP a few months back at 3-1, wish I'd stuck more than a tenner on him now
Each way Treble of
Denman
Our Ben
Fota Island

also Dom D'Orgeval at 4pm @16s was tipped EW by Anto the security guard on 98fm today

20 Times 20 Times

eirebhoy wrote:

Denman will win.

Agreed , this is my banker for the week . Im really hoping that this doesnt let me down.

eirebhoy

chump wrote:

I'd agree with this. I think it's the safest bet of the week. I still wouldn't go OTT with it though.

I put one of my biggest bets on Denman (certainly by far my biggest bet of the festival). It's only about half my profit from yesterday so I wouldn't say i'm going ott. If it doesn't win I won't be putting another bet on today as I'm not too keen on most of the other races.

digiman

In the 2.00 I am putting Denman to win, and a place for Refinement.
2.35 I will probably be going e/w with Our Ben, not to sure yet.
3.15 Fota Island.

I will also do an e/w treble on Denman, Our Ben and Fota Island.

DeadParrot

copycat

fade2black

I backed Parson's Legacy last year and it pains me to leave him today but I think Inch Pride has ticks in all the right boxes, ground, trip course...a nice each way chance.

digiman

DeadParrot wrote:

copycat

Great minds think alike:D

masterK

fade2black wrote:

I backed Parson's Legacy last year and it pains me to leave him today but I think Inch Pride has ticks in all the right boxes, ground, trip course...a nice each way chance.

Inch pride is in a different race to Parsons legacy.

I too had Parson's legacy last year, he was fairly unlucky not win, he goes off a 3lb lower handicap mark, has been lightly raced this season and has one of the better riders

fade2black

Aye I was still in the Afrad argument there.

underwriter is off a tantalisingly low weight for that one and there's some very decent each way value there. Whether it will still be there come the off is another matter - spotlight nap and Pricewise horse.

DeadParrot

underwriter's odds are shortening by the second
20-1, 16s,14s, at 12s on PP at the moment

eirebhoy

masterK wrote:

For those who are looking for a bit of value to oppose Denman with Paddy Power are refunding losing bets on the horse that finishes 2nd to Denman. The fact PP are putting up this bet means they don't think Denman will be winning, they were right yesterday with a similar offer on Sweet Wake and Racing Demon.

Paddy Power is on 2fm atm. The way he is talking there isn't any other horse in the race. He has it as pretty much a cert.

Stacksey

a good bet is Equus Maximus in the 5.20, its a willie mullins horse and you should get a bout 5-1

The jock

Refinement With out Denman at 3/1

higster

Off to bed, working tonight, here goes (and no I'm not a big spender)

Double €2 e/w: 2:35 Our Ben 4/1 & Kauto Star 7/4
Double €2 e/w: 2:00 Debham 11/10 & Commercial Flyer 10/3

2:00 €2 to win Refinement 13/2
2:35 €2.50 e/w Back In front 12/1
3:15 €2 e/w Central House 15/2
4:00 €2 e/w Skys the Limit 8/1
4:40 €5 e/w Black Apalachi 13/2
5:20 €1.50 e/w Lord Over 20/1

SCOTTY_IE

Hi,
I'm new to Boards, Just thought I'd give my input.....

1) Denman will not be beaten.

2)Bewleys Berry has an excellent chance in the 2.35

3)Fota island for the queen mother.

4)Desert air is definitly worth an each way gamble in the 4.00

5)My nap of the day would have to be Black apalachi fo the 4.40

6)Equus Maximus for the 5.20.

SCOTTY_IE

Hi,
I'm new to Boards, Just thought I'd give my input.....

1) Denman will not be beaten.

2)Bewleys Berry has an excellent chance in the 2.35

3)Fota island for the queen mother.

4)Desert air is definitly worth an each way gamble in the 4.00

5)My nap of the day would have to be Black apalachi fo the 4.40

6)Equus Maximus for the 5.20.

iloveireland

2:00 DENMAN win
2:35 - BACK IN FRONT win NAP
3:15 - NEWMILL e/w
4:00 - TWO MILES WEST win
4:40 BLACK A PALACHI win
5:20 - LEADING CONTENDER

Hobart

iloveireland, are you still participating in the comp or not?

p.pete

iloveireland wrote:

2:00 DENMAN win
2:35 - BACK IN FRONT win NAP
3:15 - NEWMILL e/w
4:00 - TWO MILES WEST win
4:40 BLACK A PALACHI win
5:20 - LEADING CONTENDER

should that be in the other thread?

jArgHA

Does anyone know where one can watch the races live on the web?

jAH

Dodge

On the racing post betting site. Either make a bet with them or pay £5 for the day. No where for free I'm afraid (PP will have radio commentary though)

Ardent

Not as confident as yesterday but here we go:

2.00
Denman WIN
Refinement E/W

2.35
Commercial Flyer WIN
Our Ben E/W

3.15
Kauto Star WIN
Fota Island E/W

4.00
Didn't know who to back here

4.40
Black Apalachi E/W

4.20
Equus Maximus E/W

jArgHA

Ignore post - found answer..

Nalz

2:00 Denman win
Nicanor e\w 13/2

2:35 The Listener 7/1

3:15 Foto Island 4/1

4:40 Parsons Legacy e\w 12/1

timmy79

Treble
moscow flyer 9/2
commercial flyer 7/2
equus maximus 7/2
€5 win

Treble
good thyne jack 12/1
mon mome 14/1
kicks for free 7/1
€2.50 e/w

Lucky 15
mr noise 9/1
bold bishop 12/1
central house 15/2
ballytrim 6/1
1 e/w lucky 15 cost €30

Villain

Oh big upset in the 1st Race:

1st 8 Nicanor
2nd 1 Denman
3rd 15 Refinement

I had Mr Nosie e/w faded at the end, ah well

Ardent

SCOTTY_IE wrote:

Hi,
I'm new to Boards, Just thought I'd give my input.....

1) Denman will not be beaten.

Look like you, and a lot of others, were wrong. Was being referred to as the banker of the festival. Lousy odds kept me from betting too much money on him, thanks God.

chump

irish1 wrote:

1st 8 Nicanor
2nd 1 Denman
3rd 15 Refinement

Carberry chose the right horse... and Mr Nosie ran some race too.
Denman just wasn't good enough.

Degag

irish1 wrote:

Oh big upset in the 1st Race:

1st 8 Nicanor
2nd 1 Denman
3rd 15 Refinement

I had Mr Nosie e/w faded at the end, ah well

Excellent, i had him backed!

digiman

chump wrote:

Denman just wasn't good enough.

I thought he was going to take it but Nicanor took the last hurdle well and finished well then. I'm just glad I had Refinement for a place only, I still made a small profit in the first race, just a pity Denman couldn't find a bit extra.

finnpark

You should be shot if you backed Denman. Go for decent ew value whatever hope you have. 11/10 in such a race, pure madness. I was in a bpacked bookies and I was the only one collecting. I couldn't beleive it, they were all on Denman.

timmy79

does anyoe know if there paying out on first 4?
there was 17 horses running i think. lad in office says they might be

Villain

timmy79 wrote:

does anyoe know if there paying out on first 4?
there was 17 horses running i think. lad in office says they might be

PaddyPower only paying out 1,2 and 3 anyway not sure about the rest, they are paying on first 5 in the 4.00

county

our bens fell

Villain

county wrote:

our bens fell

Ah thats all I needed, feck ya Ruby.

Need some big results now to save the day

Villain

Jees they all dropped off near the end and let Star De Mohaison stroll home

1st (15) Star De Mohaison 2nd (8) Idle Talk 3rd (7) Darkness

GuanYin

psi wrote:

2.35 Star De Mohaison E/W

thats me finishing in large profit no matter what!

county

what a crazy race

eirebhoy

Chonaic had Star De Mohaison napped. :eek:

Nalz

county wrote:

what a crazy race

what a brutal race... One up, one down in the yankee.
waitin on foto island and parson legacy