Frank Lampard and Chelsea found out

Superdub2

Right for all the Frank Lampard fans i will say he is easily the best GOALSCORING midfielder in the premiership now that Scholesy's best days are gone.

He is in no way one of the best midfielders, never mind players, in europe or the world. He, like chelsea, is technically limited and hasnt got the ability to control a game or grab the game by the scruff of the neck like all the truly great midfielders. He simply works hard.

It annoys me the way he gets the Becks treatment, (ie. being treated like a god by the english media when he is anything but) becuase is is completely annoymous for so many games yet the whole world lauds him as one of their best players?

This draws a comparison with chelsea fo me who are technically incapable of controlling the game or fluid passing and who instead base their game on incredible defence and hard work and have been found out by a Barca team who didnt break a sweat in Barca

They were both found out by a Barcelona side missing their most influential midfielder in Xavi (who we will all recall, with the help of alonso, gave Lampard and Gerrand a footballing lesson in the friendly against Spain!)

Wayne Rooney is the only english player who has truly world class technical ability and who is worthy of a mention with the Ronaldinhos of this world.

growler

i thought mushrooms were made illegal in ireland ?

must be some left over then

Big Nelly

Superdub2 wrote:

Right for all the Frank Lampard fans i will say he is easily the best GOALSCORING midfielder in the premiership now that Scholesy's best days are gone.

He is in no way one of the best midfielders, never mind players, in europe or the world. He, like chelsea, is technically limited and hasnt got the ability to control a game or grab the game by the scruff of the neck like all the truly great midfielders. He simply works hard.

It annoys me the way he gets the Becks treatment, (ie. being treated like a god by the english media when he is anything but) becuase is is completely annoymous for so many games yet the whole world lauds him as one of their best players?

This draws a comparison with chelsea fo me who are technically incapable of controlling the game or fluid passing and who instead base their game on incredible defence and hard work and have been found out by a Barca team who didnt break a sweat in Barca

They were both found out by a Barcelona side missing their most influential midfielder in Xavi (who we will all recall, with the help of alonso, gave Lampard and Gerrand a footballing lesson in the friendly against Spain!)

Wayne Rooney is the only english player who has truly world class technical ability and who is worthy of a mention with the Ronaldinhos of this world.

Ahh you will always have one!!

dirkey_wynne

I have to say, this is one ridiculous post. Talking about Xavi et al destroying England in a friendly, yes, a friendly. We'll see how they get on in the summer, I may be proven wrong, but I think Spain will once again flatter to deceive, as they always do in the big championships. Does that mean those players are ordinary? Lampard had a bad game the other night, yes. But by all accounts he wasn't fully fit. All players don't play well in every single game. Talk about knee jerk reaction.

iregk

Thats hillarious that post is. Pure brilliance.

zAbbo

Post is bang on the money, Xavi and Alonso are streets ahead of Gerrard and Lampard, how on earth Lampard is being lauded as one of the best players in the world is beyond me.

ferdi

chelsea are massivly over-hyped. thats all.

RE*AC*TOR

zabbo wrote:

Post is bang on the money, Xavi and Alonso are streets ahead of Gerrard and Lampard, how on earth Lampard is being lauded as one of the best players in the world is beyond me.

he scores a lot of goals and does some nice passing *when* Chelsea are controlling a game (which is a lot of the time).

besty

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

he scores a lot of goals and does some nice passing *when* Chelsea are controlling a game (which is a lot of the time).

That's it exactly. He rarely, if ever, becomes the gamebreaker by winning the ball in midfield and spurring an attack from nothing. He can't "grab the game by the scruff of the neck" as some have already alluded to.

Big Nelly

zabbo wrote:

Post is bang on the money, Xavi and Alonso are streets ahead of Gerrard and Lampard, how on earth Lampard is being lauded as one of the best players in the world is beyond me.

Xavi is a defensive midfield like Keane, Lampard is an attacking midfielder like Scholes, you cant compare the 2 midfielders because they play different roles. This thread is a joke, how do you think that Lampard got the 2nd best player in the World? bu being useless? some people:rolleyes:

eirebhoy

I really like Gerrard, he can be the best player on the pitch even if his team lose. Lampard is nowhere to be seen when the opposition have the ball. He is definitely not a leader. He has fantastic technical ability but not much else. Playing in front of 2 central midfielders, technical ability may be all that he needs but away to any of the top 4 or 5 teams in the world and you can bank on him being nothing more than average.

Put Gerrard in the Wigan team and he'd still be the player he is now. I couldn't say the same about Lampard. Big Nelly is right, Lampard is an attacking midfielder but most people I know would think of him as this complete midfielder. Scholes is a midfielder who people say can't tackle, at least he tries.

Guy:Incognito

zabbo wrote:

Post is bang on the money, Xavi and Alonso are streets ahead of Gerrard and Lampard, how on earth Lampard is being lauded as one of the best players in the world is beyond me.

Apart from the fact that Xavi and Alsono are completely different types of Midfielders to Gerrard and Lampard?

How many goals have Alonso and Xavi scored? now compare that to Gerrard/Lampard. It's defensive midfielders Vs Attacking.

Xavi scores 3/4 goals a season and Alonso somethign similar.

besty

Stekelly wrote:

Apart from the fact that Xavi and Alsono are completely different types of Midfielders to Gerrard and Lampard?

How many goals have Alonso and Xavi scored? now compare that to Gerrard/Lampard. It's defensive midfielders Vs Attacking.

Xavi scores 3/4 goals a season and Alonso somethign similar.

But when they were most recently pitted against each other - allbeit in a friendly - the Spanish combination came out on top.

Also, more talented individuals don't necessarily translate into a better partnership.

zAbbo

Obviously you can't compare Gerrard/Lamp to Xavi/Alonso, these 4 players only matched up against each other.

By youre reckoning Lampard can't be compared to many players, only those out and out AM's.

I'd advise some people to get out and watch more world football.

Guy:Incognito

zabbo wrote:

By youre reckoning Lampard can't be compared to many players, only those out and out AM's..

You can only compare them to similar postitioned players. Is John Terry better than every midfielder he scores more than in a season?

besty

No, I said that a more talented player doesn't necessarily translate into a better component of a successful midfield. I do watch alot of football, outside the Premiership mostly La Liga. I don't think he is as good as his coming runner up to Ronaldinho in the Balon d'Or would suggest.

*This is a reply to Zabbo*

Big Nelly

zabbo wrote:

Obviously you can't compare Gerrard/Lamp to Xavi/Alonso, these 4 players only matched up against each other.

By youre reckoning Lampard can't be compared to many players, only those out and out AM's.

I'd advise some people to get out and watch more world football.

Your the one that is comparing players, nobody else, why don't you go out and watch more football because it had to be pointed out to you that you cant compare players that play in differnet positions.

Lampard can be compared to every midfielder that plays the same type of role he plays at at the moment he is the best in the World in that position. Simple. Every professional footballers agree with that, but sure what do they know

iregk

Yeah Lampard is complete muck isn't he. All he can do is score and pass a few balls. Seriously people, you may think you know about footie because you watch it but honestly take off the Lampard/Chelsea hating glasses and get realistic.

Does a player come runner up in the european and world player of the year awards, is openly wanted by every top team in the world and is one of two prime targets of Barcelona all by being crap?

Cop on will you.

Big Nelly

iregk wrote:

Yeah Lampard is complete muck isn't he. All he can do is score and pass a few balls. Seriously people, you may think you know about footie because you watch it but honestly take off the Lampard/Chelsea hating glasses and get realistic.

Does a player come runner up in the european and world player of the year awards, is openly wanted by every top team in the world and is one of two prime targets of Barcelona all by being crap?

Cop on will you.

Well said:D

besty

iregk wrote:

Yeah Lampard is complete muck isn't he. All he can do is score and pass a few balls. Seriously people, you may think you know about footie because you watch it but honestly take off the Lampard/Chelsea hating glasses and get realistic.

Does a player come runner up in the european and world player of the year awards, is openly wanted by every top team in the world and is one of two prime targets of Barcelona all by being crap?

Cop on will you.

Who said he's crap?
Take it easy.

Big Nelly

besty wrote:

Who said he's crap?
Take it easy.

Read the first post

RE*AC*TOR

Big Nelly wrote:

Read the first post

Read the first post?
I've tried, several times, it makes no sense to me, i think its Aramaic.

Big Nelly

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

Read the first post?
I've tried, several times, it makes no sense to me, i think its Aramaic.

Well at first I thought it was mumbo jumbo but on second thought it could be Aramaic

besty

The OP doesn't say he's crap. It says he is the best goalscoring midfielder in the Premiership. I agree with that. It goes on to say that he is not as technically gifted as other midfielders in Europe. I find it hard to disagree with that fact. That's all. He is undoubtedly a quality player, but not on the scale he is hyped about.

gracehopper

I think Lampard is a fantastic player and personally he wasnt found out on tuesday but chelsea definitely were found out by an all round better side on the night. I dont think even Chelsea fans can disagree that when the time came for the manager & players to do something different they failed. They didnt have anything extra so in essence they were found out.

iregk

besty wrote:

The OP doesn't say he's crap. It says he is the best goalscoring midfielder in the Premiership. I agree with that. It goes on to say that he is not as technically gifted as other midfielders in Europe. I find it hard to disagree with that fact. That's all. He is undoubtedly a quality player, but not on the scale he is hyped about.

Ok trying hard to supress the laughter that this thread has brought on. For a start yes he is the best scoring midfielder in the premiership and one of the best allround midfielders in teh world.

He may not be technically gifted as Ronaldinho but few are! The fact is he is still superbly gifted both technically and mentally. He has a superb touch, close control and ability on the ball. His range of passing is excellent and everything Chelsea do flows through him. Did you see the goal he scored in the bridge against Barca last year? If thats a player who isn't technically gifted tell me who is please!

Different players bring different things to the game. For Lampard thats controlling the tempo and style in which Chelsea play. Recently after being rested for a game the team struggled and in a post match interview Carvahallo said, they were lost without Lampard he is the heartbeat of the team.

Lauren Robert on the other hand is arguably a more technically gifted player than Lampard, as far as touch and control goes. Is he a better player though? Not even close. Technical ability is not everything, look at Roy Keane. The best midfielder of the past 10 years but technically not brilliant and couldn't pass a ball over 30 yards!

As for the hype factor! I can't believe people are still biting the hype dish served up by the english media and sky. If you are then you deserve a slap.

eirebhoy

iregk wrote:

For a start yes he is the best scoring midfielder in the premiership and one of the best allround midfielders in teh world.

There we go.

iregk

Well what do you want me to call him. Ok how about, defensively minded yet occasionally attacking all while staying close to the center of the park midfielder.

Whats your point exactly? Gerrard, is an allround midfielder. Keane in his prime was an allround midfielder. Viera is an allround midfielder. Do you want me to go or are we being that linier these days that your either attacking or defensive, your not allowed to be both and certainly not within the same game!

Chardee MacDennis

have to agree with the op bout lampard he is not a controlling midfielder, he is extremely lazy and never gets back. for the amount of shots he takes the precentage that goes in isnt THAT high in comparison to the PL top scorers and there are many better midfielders than him the in the PL alone and he shouldnt be guarenteed his place.

If Mourinhio did to Lampard what he did with Joe Cole (taught him he had to defend as well as attack) he would be a much better player. imho i would prefer Gerrard in the middle than lampard any day for the week.

eirebhoy

iregk wrote:

Well what do you want me to call him. Ok how about, defensively minded yet occasionally attacking all while staying close to the center of the park midfielder.

Defensively minded? Lampard hardly knows what defending means.

iregk

oh sweet jesus. I see sarcasm has never introduced itself to you.