agree with the march or not

rondeco

Please vote to say if you agree whether the loyalists or orange men or whatever should have been allowed to march through dublin today. It will give me a good idea of how the country is divided. Whether these rioters have any sympathy or not.

GerryRyan

Disagree

1916 celebrations / memorial should be cancelled also, they don't deserve it after today (republicans that is)

And yes, I meant that.

whiskeyman

Perhaps this should be:


Do you agree with the Irish Constitution:
Yes / No

:rolleyes:


And how anyone can have sympathy with rioters is beyond me.

rondeco

When I say rioters having sympathy, I mean for why they are rioting. I dont htink anyone condones what happened today but alot of people might be angry that there was going to be a 'Love Ulster' parade in the middle of the city. Sorry if I mislead and hope thats clearer.

SpAcEd OuT

did the march actually go ahead?

rondeco

no.

segadreamcast

No, but I believe it should've happened - and the Irish should have been mature enough to deal with it.

GerryRyan

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

did the march actually go ahead?

Ok, it says on your location : dublin. And you're asking if the march went ahead, I'm presuming you're somewhere else today.

Anywho ...

http://www.channel4.com/news/content/news-storypage.jsp?id=163294
http://www.utvlive.com/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=70826&pt=n
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aE40.Dx_lwbU&refer=top_world_news

dlofnep

No, I don't believe in the march. It's a spit in the faces of the republicans. I'd like to see how they'd react if we went up to the North and marched through loyalist areas. The exact same and even more would happen. Everybody needs to wake the **** up and realise the only reaon they wanted to march in the republic was to annoy us. What does it achieve? They don't want to be United with the republic. What good is it marching here?

casanova_kid

I don't agree that the march should have been given the go ahead in the first place. Orangemen have no reason or right to march in Dublin,we don't go marching on the Shankill Road .
However, the lads who went out and rioted today were completely unjustified in their actions. They were just scum looking for a fight and will have just given the loyalists more reason to be suspicious of us southerners.

TetsuoHashimoto

Should radical Black BBPs or BLA Isrealites be allowed block up the streets of Dallas, Atlanta, Memphis and Austin

Should Neo-Nazis and KluKluxKlan be allowed march though Harlem NYC or south central L.A ?
:mad:

The counter protest was another worse disgrace ! The pro-republican group or groups of random scumbag chavs messed the city up
:mad:

How many cops were deployed to police this march how many police on the beat ? I didn't see many arrests at all

whiskeyman

dlofnep wrote:

Everybody needs to wake the **** up and realise the only reaon they wanted to march in the republic was to annoy us

That's your view.
They didnt annoy me one bit.
It was the mindless thugs that thrashed my city that annoyed me today and not the marchers (who didnt actually get to march) or their organisers.

I couldnt help but noticed the "Support Denmark" logo in your sig.
Do you not think the cartoons were a "spit in the face" to Muslims?
:rolleyes:

ghostdancer

i think it should have been alloweed to go ahead.

as a republican, i've no problems accomodating unionist views and opinions on the island of ireland.

it's a shame that RFS, a tiny tiny fringe group which doesn't even stand in elections, and a load of dublin scumbags, couldn't even have enough sense to realise that this was completely counter-productive to republicanism, although i doubt 90% of the scum involved in it even care about politics.

projectmayhem

NoelRock wrote:

No, but I believe it should've happened - and the Irish should have been mature enough to deal with it.

in theory.

most of us can get on with life, ignore the orange colours in our city for a day and move on. but there's always going to be some twats out there who see a great opportunity to chant slogans in support of a dead organisation (IRA) and throw expensive rocks at "proddy scum"

dlofnep

whiskeyman wrote:

That's your view.
They didnt annoy me one bit.
It was the mindless thugs that thrashed my city that annoyed me today and not the marchers (who didnt actually get to march) or their organisers.

I didn't say they annoyed you. I said their intent was to annoy us.

whiskeyman wrote:

I couldnt help but noticed the "Support Denmark" logo in your sig.
Do you not think the cartoons were a "spit in the face" to Muslims?
:rolleyes:

I do not agree with the destruction of property of the hurt of others in Dublin, much like I don't agree with burning down embassies over a cartoon. I don't agree with the cartoons to make fun of the muslims, I just don't agree even more with the aftermath over something so small.

Nice try.

colm_mcm

I think they should've marched in Pheonix park, not Ireland's bigest street, everyone has a right to march, but the orginisers of the march have just pissed Dublin off, and given skangers an excuse to throw bricks at something....

mike65

Fer ****s sake

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054895218

Mike.

Superdub2

totally disgagree, they shud never be allowed to march in the capital of the "republic" of ireland, its not the "unionist" capital! and wat do you tink would happen if a load of dubs wanted to march wound a unionist part of belfast celebrating the republic?

ghostdancer

projectmayhem wrote:

in theory.

most of us can get on with life, ignore the orange colours in our city for a day and move on. but there's always going to be some twats out there who see a great opportunity to chant slogans in support of a dead organisation (IRA) and throw expensive rocks at "proddy scum"

for starters, the IRA is not dead, it's very much alive, despite being very limited in it's activities since july.


secondly, it was CIRA, the terrorist part of republican sinn fein who were organising the the counter deomnstration, who are also very much alive and well, and were having their name chanted today, although i do accept that there were no doubt twats involved in what you describe, most of them of the young teenage scum variety.

senordingdong

ThatGuy wrote:

Disagree

1916 celebrations / memorial should be cancelled also, they don't deserve it after today (republicans that is)

And yes, I meant that.

You're a fool if you think they were republicans rioting today.

Heinrich

Orange Order marches were always a problem in the North so why would it be any different in the South?

The *scum* as some of you call them will always be there to stir sh*t, any excuse is a good excuse.

whiskeyman

dlofnep wrote:

I didn't say they annoyed you. I said their intent was to annoy us..

Who's this group you call "us" exactly?

casanova_kid

whiskeyman wrote:

Who's this group you call "us" exactly?

Southerners who deplore the blatant sectarianism of the Orange Order, I presume.

JimmySmith

I think the prats should have been allowed to go ahead and march. And every garada should have been allowed to just go home before the march.

Then they could see just how much they and the other scumbags who caused the trouble could have sorted it out between themselves.

As far as i'm concerned i dont want a united ireland. in fact what i want is to float the north off into the north sea all by itself a good 500 miles or so from Ireland. Then let both sides of prats just get along or not. up to them.

Rb

I didn't care whether they marched or not, the whole thing is pathetic.
So the march went ahead, some of our finest filth took to the streets and started a riot over it. F*cking scumbags.

projectmayhem

JimmySmith wrote:

As far as i'm concerned i dont want a united ireland. in fact what i want is to float the north off into the north sea all by itself a good 500 miles or so from Ireland. Then let both sides of prats just get along or not. up to them.

here here.

franksm

I'm in Belfast this weekend, normally live in Dublin, so can give you the impression of how people think about things up here. Seems the loyalists are disenfranchised about nobody giving a sh!t about them, and it's probably true (their own fault) - and it's true, people in the South don't give a damn about "up north" apart from a minority of people who follow things, and a minoity of that group who talk about being "Republican" and "our struggle" while having no clue as to what it's like to live in the North.

Anyway, a march was organised thankfully without all the UVF/etc trappings to try and highlight that there are people up there who need to be considered. Loyalists are under the impression that all of the South of Ireland are "for" Republicanism. They don't realise that the majority of people just don't care. They seem to want us in the south to see that they are normal people despite their traditions and marching etc.

With what happened today, all of Dublin if not the South has been tarred with a big, black brush. How do you feel about that ? How do you feel about a bunch of louts in Celtic tops chucking bricks, burning cars in our name ? Wonder how many of them were "rent-a-crowd" brought in from the usual enclaves in Belfast, Lurgan, etc. Me, I am totally disgusted and ashamed. These people do not speak for me. How does it feel that these people are now seen as representing every one of you ?

I voted "don't care" in the poll about whether the march should go ahead or not. If the march had its UVF trappings of course I would have been against it.

It's the same with the Danish papers printing those cartoons and then all of Denmark and its people being tarred as insensitive muslim-haters.

I actually thought something good might come of the march today - some high-ranking unionist politicians were to meet the government; but the main thing, unionists in the north might have realised: the people in the south aren't the enemy that they are made out to be.

I think the only winners today might have been the Gardai - they are getting good marks in interviews this evening given by unionists who are very grateful for the protection the Gardai gave them.

BTW I am catholic, brought up in Belfast, have seen this sh!t go on for years up here, have plenty of friends catholic and protestant, and have always known that bigotry is always handed out by a precious few in the north on both sides. Unfortunately it's those precious few who get to be on TV and "portray" the rest of us in the North.

Whether the march was right or wrong, it was an unfortunate thing logistically. But the riots and the people that took part in the riots - there can be nothing good said about that. Anyone who attempts to apologise for what happened today, or who says that those responsible were "justified" - hang your heads in shame.

I'll stable the oul high-horse now, but I feel so sad about this. It just justifies all the crap loyalists have been teaching themselves about us over the years.

Sam Vimes

whiskeyman wrote:

Who's this group you call "us" exactly?

don't be pedantic. you know what he means

Sam Vimes

JimmySmith wrote:

As far as i'm concerned i dont want a united ireland. in fact what i want is to float the north off into the north sea all by itself a good 500 miles or so from Ireland. Then let both sides of prats just get along or not. up to them.

*applause*

seamus

ghostdancer wrote:

although i do accept that there were no doubt twats involved in what you describe, most of them of the young teenage scum variety.

The people involved today were *all* scum. It should be made illegal to cover your face in public, then the Gardai would have good reason to arrest a fair chunk of these scum before anything even gets underway.

Hagar

senordingdong wrote:

You're a fool if you think they were republicans rioting today.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Huggles

As far as I know this intended march was to remeber those loyalists who died in Nothern Ireland during the troubles.

Now, Dublin is NOT NI, it is the capital of the republic, what was the point of this March? As far as I can see, Donaldson is going back up north tonight saying I told you so!

People have been blaming the Reublicans for this violence, what would have happened if the sinn feiners had marched through a loyalist part of Belfast?

The whole thing was going to kick off, everybody knew it.

Also for those blaming the Republicans for the violence check out the 9 o clock news. All the people throwing missiles looked under 18 in tracksuit tops, you know what I am saying!

I really hope McDowell resigns for his very foolish mistake.

Hagar

seamus wrote:

It should be made illegal to cover your face in public

What a terrible insult to our female Muslim community, for shame, tut tut...;)

Dyr

seamus wrote:

The people involved today were *all* scum. It should be made illegal to cover your face in public, then the Gardai would have good reason to arrest a fair chunk of these scum before anything even gets underway.

I can see a garda marching into the ranks of scarf covered scumbags in mid riot and pronouncing that theyre under arrest for covering their face...

Gonna be a lot of muslim wimmen arrested too. Not to mention motorcyclists

miju

whiskeyman wrote:

Do you not think the cartoons were a "spit in the face" to Muslims?
:rolleyes:

[start hijack]

the muslims call the west infidels before the cartoon was published and afterwards they published they're own cartoons in retaliation, all smacks of hypocrisy

[end hijack]

LovelyHurling

casanova_kid wrote:

I don't agree that the march should have been given the go ahead in the first place. Orangemen have no reason or right to march in Dublin,we don't go marching on the Shankill Road .

They were argying a point with the irish government. and when sinn fein want to argue a point with the british government they go over to westminster and protest. and nobody bats an eyelid. minimal police input as well.

Thank God there was major police input in Dublin today however, things could have been much worse, the Gardai deserve a clap on the back that nobody was seriously injured

mfitz

I have to say im so sorry that they were able to march before we rioted then we would of got them on o Connell’s street. these ****ers have no right to come down here and start all this **** I mean why not just do there stupid march up the north. What they tried to do today was a total disgrace and I’m so proud of all the people who stopped them from marching. Could you imagine what would happen if we went over to London waving are tricolours all over the place because of all the Irish people the unionists killed over the years (which might I had is a lot more than the ira have killed) there'd be ****ing war it would never happen and I’m disgraced in our government for letting these ****ers do this especially on the terms they asked for.





“
Love Ulster's demands

- We demand the right to wave our union flags. Being in the Irish capital for a few hours might make us forget our own nationality so union jacks are a must. It's not like we'd ever ban nationalists from waving their tricolours in the North...

- We demand the right to wear lillies as a symbol of our Protestantism. Being in such a sinful bastion of Roman Papishness like Dublin might scar our souls forever.

- We demand Dubliners acknowledge that we see their city as irrelevant. It is so irrelevant to us that we are saving up and travelling all the way down to Dublin to let that be known.

- We demand the right to express to Dubliners how sick we are of their State meddling in the North's affairs. Unionist politicians would never meddle in the affairs of the Irish Republic and for example would never tell the Republic how to deal with issues like the Colombia Three.

An Garda Siochana's demands

- Don't stay too long.

“ - United Irelander


on the love Ulster forum the admin posted this

"I can't wait to see the faces on the nationalists when the union-jacks and the ulster flags are flown"

Its obvious they were down for one reason and one reason only TO START ****ING TROUBLE I have to say I wish they were all killed today to teach them a proper lesion not to bring there ****ing **** down to a peaceful county like Dublin who does’nt give a flying ****.

InFront

This is the EXACT same thing that happened with the muslims cartoons. No, the cartoons should not have been printed, and as much as I hate those cartoons, the people who reacted violently to them were WORSE.

Todays march should not have gone ahead. Dublin is not ready for it. But the people who reacted violently to todays march, were WORSE than the marchers, and that should not be forgotten

Terry

LovelyHurling wrote:

They were argying a point with the irish government. and when sinn fein want to argue a point with the british government they go over to westminster and protest. and nobody bats an eyelid. minimal police input as well.

Thank God there was major police input in Dublin today however, things could have been much worse, the Gardai deserve a clap on the back that nobody was seriously injured

don't sinn fein have representatives elected to the westminster parliament?
wouldn't that give them a right to go over there and argue a point?

don't the unionists have representatives elected to the westminster parliament???

InFront

actually you are completely wrong

republicans have already marched in london over RUC and loyalist violence and collusion. result? no rioting

youre also wrong, because republicans have been responsible for more murders than loyalists.

However, I agree this march should not have happened. But really, get your facts right and dont be so one sided

mfitz

There is no way the rioters are worse than the marchers they showed are poxy goverment that the people are the ones in control and were not going to be embarrest by the brits we'd never hear the end of this if we let them march .

Hagar

InFront wrote:

This is the EXACT same thing that happened with the muslims cartoons. No, the cartoons should not have been printed, and as much as I hate those cartoons, the people who reacted violently to them were WORSE.

Todays march should not have gone ahead. Dublin is not ready for it. But the people who reacted violently to todays march, were WORSE than the marchers, and that should not be forgotten

No it's not. Have you never watched "Give my head peace" on BBC1 on Friday nights. Stop trying to justify your mad-arsed Islamic voodoo by latching on to a fight that's being going on for longer than your people have been looking for a good looking camel.

* do you think that was a bit much?

Hobbes

Hagar wrote:

* do you think that was a bit much?

Yes and the person was right. Both didn't want situation X so rioted. Just because one was a cartoon and the other was a march doesn't make it any different. Both were claiming freedom of expression.

mfitz

InFront wrote:

actually you are completely wrong

republicans have already marched in london over RUC and loyalist violence and collusion. result? no rioting

youre also wrong, because republicans have been responsible for more murders than loyalists.

However, I agree this march should not have happened. But really, get your facts right and dont be so one sided

Maybe it did happen but i bet we did'nt try stick it in there faces like they try to do. and no i was not wrong about loyalists being resonable for more deaths than republians. Repubilan targets have always been military and politics and loyalists have always been civilans the way i see it we were at war and military targets don't count.

"Despite accounting for almost 30 percent of the deaths in the Northern Ireland conflict, loyalists’ attacks have generally drawn far less media and international attention than those perpetrated by the IRA." - cfrterrorism.org

"Between 1968 and 1998, loyalist paramilitaries killed an estimated 864 civilians (most of them Catholic), compared with an estimated 728 civilians (most of them Protestant) killed by the IRA. Experts say loyalist groups have often acted out of religious hatred, while the IRA has more often targeted British security officers—killing more than 1,000 of them—in an effort to further its political goal of ejecting the British from Northern Ireland." - cfrterrorism.org

Hagar

Fair enough. I thought It was a bit harsh myself.
But the point is we can laugh at each other without violence.
The Muslims could learn from this before condemning us.

But all this is completely off topic... back to the riot...

TetsuoHashimoto

InFront wrote:

This is the EXACT same thing that happened with the muslims cartoons. No, the cartoons should not have been printed, and as much as I hate those cartoons, the people who reacted violently to them were WORSE.

No it didn't

Radical muslims and extreme islamic groups went religious rampage over the cartoons ( like those scum that have been killing Japanese and Korean aid workers ) the radicals called for beheadings, clerics call for suicide kamikaze bombings, and rushdie style fatwas.

As extreme as Gerry Adams is, he is no religious nutcase.
today he stood in the right place and said all these acts by the counter-protestors were totally wrong and these acts were criminal/deplorable

march should have never been allowed


Yet the counter protest was even worse....the pro-republic, anti-Unionist or random trouble makers or radical Republican-rioters or Chav-scumbags caused alot of trouble

Should the march have been allowed in the 1st place ?
Would radical BlackPanthers and BLAs be allowed block up the streets of Dallas, Atlanta, Memphis and Austin
Should Neo-Nazis and KluKluxKlan be allowed march though Harlem NYC or south

MC dowell to resign, well I'll take it
very few scumbags were arrested
how many cops did he have on the street ?

Terry

InFront wrote:

actually you are completely wrong

republicans have already marched in london over RUC and loyalist violence and collusion. result? no rioting

youre also wrong, because republicans have been responsible for more murders than loyalists.

However, I agree this march should not have happened. But really, get your facts right and dont be so one sided

i'm gonna play the famine card if you want to bring numbers into it.
roughly 1 million people were killed as a direct result of those loyal to the crown taking all edible crops from the starving masses and exiling anyone who stole even a loaf of bread.
still want to play the numbers game?

mfitz

TetsuoHashimoto wrote:

MC dowell to resign

Agreed

mfitz

julep wrote:

i'm gonna play the famine card if you want to bring numbers into it.
roughly 1 million people were killed as a direct result of those loyal to the crown taking all edible crops from the starving masses and exiling anyone who stole even a loaf of bread.
still want to play the numbers game?

haha i already beat him with numbers and did'nt even feel the need to mention that

MooseJam

Final Score

The Bhoys 1 - Orangmen 0

mfitz

MooseJam wrote:

Final Score

The Bhoys 1 - Orangmen 0

We should all head out and celebrate our victory