"The Duff"'s dirty election tactics! (Kind of big news!)

Blush_01

I had a rather interesting conversation with someone on the bus this morning. Said person was on the way to UCD to meet the new Returning Officer, Morgan Shelley regarding the fact that the candidate for the presidency whose campaign they are working on as of this morning had just over 30 posters left, out of the allocated 300. Another of the Presidential candidates is in much the same boat. The reason? Enda Duffy and his campaign team.

Members of Mr. Duffy's campaign team have been seen ripping down posters, and have even gone so far as to remove Miss Ní Threasaigh's posters that were attached to poles using plastic ties (I have no information regarding similarly attached posters pertaining to Mr. Hayden's campaign). These ties must be cut to remove them, so there is no possibility of this being brushed off as an accident. What is more, the posters are erected at such a height as to require a ladder to aid their removal. (There is video evidence to support these claims.) It has also been said that in a recent meeting regarding the destruction of the posters for both Miss Ní Threasaigh and Mr. Hayden's campaigns, Mr. Duffy's team not only denied their involvement, but also said that if it had happened to their posters and they found the culprits to be in the race for the sabbatical elections, they would demand their disqualification.

As far as I know, the intention of one, if not both of the injured parties in this debacle will include providing a service on campus prior to the elections, ensuring that the video evidence referred to above will be hosted for public perusal, should a meeting that is most likely currently occurring not garner the afforementioned disqualification of Mr. Duffy. Make no mistake about it, there exists two hours of video footage showing the wilful and reprehensible behaviour of Mr Duffy's team. The level of manipulation shown by this behaviour is, to my mind, not only totally abhorrent but also far from the behaviour of one who should be entrusted with our welfare as Student Union President.

For any person to launch a personal vendetta on a fellow SU Sabbatical candidate is unnecessary, but for behaviour such as this to occur within days of the elections is positively shameful, to my mind. As a current undergraduate student, and a potential postgraduate one next year, I sure as hell don't want my voice to be tied to that of someone who would stoop so low in order to attempt an unfair advantage over his fellow athletes (this is apparently a race, is it not?). All is fair in love and war, but this is neither love, nor war, nor should it be treated as such.

If anyone on these boards is a member of said campaign team, I'd love, as a voter, to be given a reason as to why Mr. Duffy felt such behaviour necessary, and why, in light of these claims, he should still be considered by the student body as a viable candidate for presidency of my, your, his, her and their Student's Union.

[Sorry, had to correct one of the typos that I actually noticed! Apologies for the ones I've missed!]

Funky

Where's the option for "I really don't care" ?

student-type

Look if this true, then the returning officer will just look at the video tapes an Enda will probably get punished. Shouldn't you wait to see what the verdict is before you vilify the guy?

Scraggs

That is absolutely disgraceful! I admit I laughed at the vandalism of one of Endas posters [action was changed to fiction] and something written on Dan's but I think that actually taking down candidates posters is just not on and is downright low... Especially if ladders were involved which means it was obviously planned and not a spontaeneous thing. Disgraceful stuff as i've said and I think that any candidate that stoops to this shouldnt really be allowed to run [and isnt somebody i'd like representing me] ...or at least be forbidden from having their posters displayed or something..

beanyb

As someone who posters for events quite regularly with world aid, i just wanna point out that's it's not unusual for people to take down or cover other posters. It happens all the time, and yes it's ridiculously annoying but it's a cut-throat world!!

My posters are sometimes gone within 5 minutes of them being put up, and it's even more annoying since we're such a small society that valuable money is spent on those posters!!

Blush_01

Beany, I feel that pain. Small things get partially covered by one society, another sovers another bit, and soon the entire thing has disappeared.

Student-type... it's the probably that gets me. Besides, I want an explanation. The person I was talking to was referring to both Dan and Orla's campaigns, despite working for only one of them. I think it's disgraceful that anyone would do that to someone when they'll be representing them next year if elected. If someone stabbed me in the back like that and went on to represent me, I wouldn't be a happy bunny, would you?

pilson

I've seen services taking down posters too.

Theres no fair play in politics.

Blush_01

Oh, and if I'm wrong, I'll make a public apology to the guy.

Chinafoot

Hmm, well if thats true its pretty pathetic. This is college politics for fúck sake :rolleyes:

If there is video evidence that shows that this is all true then he should be disqualified. Thats seriously not on.

Also pilson, I've seen services take down posters too....but thats because they were unauthorised. Some of them had nothing to do with the college and were put up by chancers. Others were taken down because they were intentionally covering posters of smaller societies who were organising charity events, while they had a hell of a lot more posters around the place.

singingstranger

There is video evidence of a member of Team Duffy (this allegiance has been confirmed by Enda himself) removing posters from the Computer Science building at midnight on Thursday night/Friday morning. This person (a postgraduate student who therefore has access to a keycard gaining entry to the building) also had access to the Science building outside of standard opening hours. All of Dan Hayden's outdoor posters, with the exception of the very few placed at ladder height on the pillars outside the library, were systematically removed. All of Órla Ní Threasaigh's posters that were placed on backing boards (and attached securely to poles with cable ties) at both the Clonskeagh and Foster's Avenue were removed and posters of Enda Duffy's later appeared in their places. Dan Hayden's team presented this evidence, along with a photographic slideshow detailing the places on the outdoor campus where the remains of his posters were still (just about) on display, at the aforementioned meeting today to the UCDSU Returning Officer, Mr Morgan Shelley; and the Chief Returning Officer, Mr Patrick O'Flynn.

Dan Hayden, through this malicious process, has lost over 200 posters. Órla Ní Threasaigh, while not having lost quite as many physical posters, has lost all of her backing boards and (which her team consider equally as important) the many hours of labour and preparation that went into these posters and boards. Enda's punishment, for being caught red-handed, is a fine of 150 posters and non-delivery of his flyers (due on Monday). This is akin to being fined €80 for stealing €100.

Even though Dan was targeted specifically, he is still, after the punishment laid upon Duffy's team, the biggest aggregate loser.

We lay this information out on a purely factual basis and would implore all readers of boards.ie to make their decisions about their votes in the Presidential poll based on what they make of this.

- from members of the election teams of Dan Hayden and Órla Ní Threasaigh

[edited to fix some typos. -ss]

Duck

If there is proof - show it.

If it is the candidate or his named and stated campaign manager involved then of course questions must be answered. Nobody should be eliminated from the race though, that is not democracy. The ripping of posters etc is not fair and not acceptable behaviour from any side. However, neither is the more sinister method of spreading false rumours and accusations regarding the ripping of posters in order to get a stronger candidate eliminated. Hayden is smug enough to believe that he can beat Orla but clearly is rattled by Duffy and, stupidly, sees him as his main & only competition.

Anybody involved in SU politics over the last number of years will be aware of the credentials and credibility of both Hayden's and Duffy's campaign teams. If Duffy's were the type to engage in such 'dirty' tactics - surely the would have done so during last years election against Dave Curran. They didn't. It was a close race, and a fair one with both candidates getting their full deposits returned to them given their fair behaviour during the campaign.

Hayden ran against RON - i.e. nobody. Furthermore, Hayden's campaign manager during previous elections and Referenda has very publically engaged in and endorsed 'Dirty tactics' such as poster rips and dumping opponents manifestos in bins at campaign meetings.

If one was to believe all the rumours spread in regards to poster ripping - then you must also take into consideration the allegations that were being thrown from both Hayden's and Orla's campaign teams at EACH OTHER the night of the poster race. Should they also be expelled from the election?

Chinafoot

I think that kind of "punishment" is pretty ridiculous. Its hardly going to deter people from doing this kind of thing.

duck wrote:

Hayden is smug enough to believe that he can beat Orla but clearly is rattled by Duffy and, stupidly, sees him as his main & only competition.

Well by the sounds of things it appears to be Mr. Duffy who is "rattled" if he feels the need to remove Mr. Hayden's posters.

scop

Sounds fishy, if theres a vid why not just name the person since you have proof, plus why did whoever filmed it have a camera just at that time...?

Chinafoot

Thread re-opened.

Thanks to singingstranger for the PM.

I believe Firespinner has some info he'd like to share.

hullaballoo

This sort of stuff from the Duffy camp just doesn't surprise me. Mind you, neither does the fact that the other sides were spying! It seems like this year's elections are set to be just as farcical as they are every year - again, no surprise.

singingstranger

hullaballoo wrote:

This sort of stuff from the Duffy camp just doesn't surprise me. Mind you, neither does the fact that the other sides were spying!

Er, it wasn't anyone on a team spying, it was standard Services CCTV...

panda100

Wasnt suprised at all when I heared that this had happened last night.
As I've said before this is last-chance salloon for the hard left of UCD after enda they dont have anyone else to run for election.Enda's team were quaking in their little booties the night of the poster race cos Dan's got nearly all the young class rep support,all the earlsortt terrace support and architecture.Enda only has all the old hacks the likes of paul D and he's even asking old labouryouth who have graduated to come back and canvass for him.The fact is,of course he will stoop to these dirty politics.Sure every private email I have sent one of his friends has become public knowledge to try and blacken my name.Look at vainglory writing up my private email here.I wrote a private email to Darren Cogavin the other day cos was tired of him insulting me on the UCD newswire,so I was trying to do the decent thing by confronting him privatly.He did the 'manly' thing obviously and went running off to his friends making my PRIVATE email to him public knowledge.Its this sort of dirty 'under the table' politics I hate so much.

I feel really sorry for orla and Dan,it's not fair on them as they worked hard to put those posters up.

scop

The left cant see the wood in their eyes so dont bother, but do tell us the juicy story!

arbeitsscheuer

I must say that I find it interesting, and frankly quite revealing, that 19 people have voted in this poll having made up their minds about Duffy and this alleged incident...

...despite having seen not a jot, not one single fcuking iota of evidence of any wrongdoing or shenanigans whatsoever.

/me applauds.

Fcukwits.

singingstranger

SebtheBum wrote:

...despite having seen not a jot, not one single fcuking iota of evidence of any wrongdoing or shenanigans whatsoever.

/me applauds.

/me refers Seb to the fact that I, and other people who I think may have voted, have seen the evidence.

panda100

I recieved texts about it and I dont think singingstranger,orla or Dan would make this up if it wasnt true,seb.The fact the Enda has already been fined proves that Dan and Orla had substantial evedince against the member of Duffys team.

Also a previous poster claims that Duffy wouldnt enter into these sort of dirty politics because he didnt do it last year when he lost against Dave.The fact is with this years election the stakes are much higher for Duffy.He lost last year,already embarrasing in itself and now he's going for the big position,president. The left know they have to win it this year or they are dead in UCD,as dead and doomed as the dodo!

arbeitsscheuer

singingstranger wrote:

/me refers Seb to the fact that I, and other people who I think may have voted, have seen the evidence.

Ok, I accept that, and apologise - My post wasn't directed at urself or others.
I meant those (and lets face it, it's bound to be most of those who voted) who made up their mind without seeing such evidence.

I also refer to the 5 who voted in favour of Duffy btw. Ppl just shouldn't vote without all the facts in, thats all I'm saying.

singingstranger

No worries. And call me Gav.

VenusInFurs

panda100 wrote:

I wrote a private email to Darren Cogavin the other day cos was tired of him insulting me on the UCD newswire,so I was trying to do the decent thing by confronting him privatly.He did the 'manly' thing obviously and went running off to his friends making my PRIVATE email to him public knowledge.Its this sort of dirty 'under the table' politics I hate so much.

I only showed one person that e-mail actually. When sending e-mails to me Elisa, please refrain from launching diatribes at other people. This sort of behaviour is illustrative of your general approach – not rational, worked-out criticism but dishonest, frenzied accusations. Its getting tiresomely repetitive.

scop

VenusInFurs wrote:

I only showed one person that e-mail actually. When sending e-mails to me Elisa, please refrain from launching diatribes at other people. This sort of behaviour is illustrative of your general approach – not rational, worked-out criticism but dishonest, frenzied accusations. Its getting tiresomely repetitive.

:rolleyes:

Riamfada

On the downside the duffy team get tarred with the one brush as a result of one person's f*ck up. Id expect Enda will lose alot of votes as a result of this

arbeitsscheuer

Grimes wrote:

On the downside the duffy team get tarred with the one brush as a result of one person's f*ck up. Id expect Enda will lose alot of votes as a result of this

Indeed. Shame really. He's a good guy, got experience of the Union, knows what the job entails and the way to run it. He's experienced 2 diametrically opposing examples of this; Dillon 03/04 and Carroll 05/06. Dillon brilliant, Carroll invisible. Duffy's learned from these 2 and would probably be better than both tbh...

But never let insignificant things like "facts" get in the way of a good mudslinging...:rolleyes:

Stabshauptmann

AngelofFire wrote:

Id like to share with everyone my own personal views on the situation.

My name is Chris Bond im a class representative for first arts Politics, Archaelogy and English. This year i have been heavily involved in the Vote Duffy campaign and last year i managed Endas Deputy Presidential Election campaign. First of all id like to emphaise that in both campaigns, no dirty nor sly tactics, took place, none were advocatted none were planned, none were even suggested. Both years the basis of our campaigning were purely electoral. I was shocked and appauled by the news that a member of our campaign team was proven beyound disrepute to have sabotaged the material of another candidate. I was disgusted, id like to distance myself and the entire campaign team from what happened. it flys directly in the face of the values which i hold deeply, and the values upon which i chose to become a student activist. I am 100% certain that the action by this individual was entirely autonomous, it was neither sanctioned, planned nor advocatted by the vote duffy campaign team. I deeply regret the destruction of material visited on other candidates as result. I just hope that when boards.ie readers go to the ballots next week that they see this action for what it was an autonomous act by an individual acting against the wishes of and against the knowledge of the Vote Duffy Campaign

what was the extent of said individuals involvement in the campaign / personal association with duffey

Riamfada

like the fact that members of his team took down posters of the other people running in the election in order to increase enda's exclusive coverage around campus . Im sure the other two candidates are well up for the job

Sangre

VenusInFurs wrote:

I only showed one person that e-mail actually.

Well aren't you a gent.

VenusInFurs

Sangre wrote:

Well aren't you a gent.

Elisa has issues with me. I personally couldn't give a crap. But when she has a go at someone else behind their back in an e-mail addressed to me, then I feel that person has a right to know. Particularly when Elisa hasn't the guile or the integrity to diss them to their face. To use a favourite word of the labour lefts- it's disingenous. And didn't your Mama ever tell you that bitching is an ugly trait?

The_Minister

I hate to throw fuel on the fire but at the Hustings (the green thing for candidates). I heard one of Duffys guys boasting and joking about what he had done - and he was still given out manifestos so he obviously had not been thrown out of Duffys campaign. If this was not sanctioned surely he would have been ejected from the campaign?

Jonny Arson

The bottom line is, if these claims are true (and they look to be), the buck stops with Enda even if he didn't have any direct involvement with this disgraceful behaviour by members of his campaign team.

He hired these people for his team so it's his responsibility. It doesn't put him in a good light for potential UCDSU presidency if people like this work with him.

The individuals who did this knew the ramifications of their actions if they got caught. You could say that they were trying to an inside sabotage Enda's own campaign but I personally don't believe that is the case. I have to give him the benefit of the doubt here but I can't for the life of me believe that this was orchestrated by just a couple of individuals of his campaign team.

I believe Enda should be disqualified if these claims are true. Whether he was directly involved or not, his campaign team attempted to gain an unfair advantage over the other candidates. That is cheating and cheats should bare the consequences of their actions whether it is unintentional or not.

Whatever happens from now one Enda won't have alot of credibility left. If he wasn't responsible for this then that will be very sad since he has been betrayed here. It's a dispointing situation all round which is only going to tarnish the image of the UCDSU by students even further.


I don't want to speculate but personally I'm sad to say I wasn't overly shocked when I read the OP.

The_Minister

Just realised - how many people in the "real world" know? The papers aren't publishing until after the election.

Jonny Arson

Firespinner wrote:

Just realised - how many people in the "real world" know? The papers aren't publishing until after the election.

You can safely say if Enda is voted as president there will be alot of uproar.

The_Minister

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

You can safely say if Enda is voted as president there will be alot of uproar.

He still ends up as president though. Will this only be spread by word of mouth?

An Bradán Feasa

Remember, people, if all of this is true, it's not fair to blame Enda Duffy. By all means, place blame on whoever was involved in this ridiculous act.

But Enda Duffy is not the type of person to get involved in these dirty tactics. And therefore, decide how you vote based on the candidates, not the stupid actions of some idiot.

AngelofFire

I hate to throw fuel on the fire but at the Hustings (the green thing for candidates). I heard one of Duffys guys boasting and joking about what he had done - and he was still given out manifestos so he obviously had not been thrown out of Duffys campaign. If this was not sanctioned surely he would have been ejected from the campaign?

Id like to reject that villanously false allegation. How dare you .Just to clarify that only person giving out manifestos there was me. I was not the person caught on camera and read my above post. i would never plan, advocate or involve myself in any assualt on another candidates material, so therefore what you are saying is just pure lies and spin. However when i was handing out manifestos one of dans campaigners came up to me and started making allegations about foul play on behalf of one of our campaigers, the incident hadnt been brought to my attention at the time so i assumed he was just stirring up crap, so i laughed told him he was talking a load of bull and walked away.

I demand a full apology from you over that allegation.

Sangre

AngelofFire wrote:

I was not the person caught on camera and read my above post.

Just because you weren't caught doesn't make it ok angeloffire.

Sangre

You're what, 20? Act your age and relax.

Chinafoot

AngelofFire wrote:

The allegations been made here are a disgrace. I cant believe the smugness of some people on these boards.

Ok first of all....it happened regardless of whether its was sanctioned or not. It was a member if his campaign team that carried it out. As someone who is involved in the campaign can you tell us if this person been removed from the campaign team?
What allegations are a disgrace? Has firespinner come out and said that it was you?

Second of all. VenusInFurs and Panda, I am sick to death of the petty bítching going on between the two of you. Whatever crap you have going on between yourselves will you keep it off this forum.

Angry Liberal

Hello everyone. My name is Raymond Rowan and i'm co-managing Dan Hayden's campaign this year.

I have many interesting facts that haven't been given a pubilic forum yet. Those of you with any respect for democracy need not worry though by wednesday March 1st this College will be well informed.

Our story begins at the poster race. Within half an hour of the race beginning our posters inside the veterinary building had been removed and replaced by Enda Duffy posters. After complaining to the returning officer Morgan Shelley a meeting was held during which Enda and his campign manager rejected in absolute terms that anyone on their campaign team would ever rip down posters. The matter was left there.

On wednesday night our posters in several other locations were removed and also those of Orla Ni Threasaigh( attached to lamp-posts with cable ties) were removed. This would have required a large group of people with a knife and a ladder. The word systematic is apt and will appear again.

Our posters were replaced on thursday. On thursday night every single Dan Hayden poster outside any building(including all gates, bus-stops, the concourse, the restaurant and student bar, richview, roebuck, veterinary, science, agricultural science, engineering, the Belfield FM kiosk) was removed. On the same night an individual who shall remain nameless also used a science access card to enter the science and the computer science buildings to remove all our posters. This was caught on a security camera.
The destruction from one end of the campus to the other accounted for every poster we have not secured inside a building(approx 250). Given that we only received 300 posters total the removal of 250 within 24 hours of the poster race is systematic. No remains of the posters were left behind.It should be noted that of all candidates Dan was the only one targeted. As evidence inside and outisde buildings, supported by the camera footage, shows these people ignored Orla's posters even when they would have been more easily removed. The intention was to create antagonism between Orla's team and our own.

Thus the person on the camera could not have been acting alone as the sheer scale of the destruction would have taken an individual hours of hauling around 3 bin bags of posters.
Any excuse that this individual acted alone is ridiculous given that it takes a 50 person campign team an hour to place up 120 posters during a poster race.

On Friday morning i met with Enda's campign manager to discuss the situation. I again received assurances in absolute terms that nobody on their campign team would ever do such a thing. His credibility lies in shreds, much like our posters. HE ADDED THAT SHOULD HE HAVE EVIDENCE THAT HIS POSTERS WERE RIPPED DOWN HE WOULD INSIST THAT THE CANDIDATE BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE ACTIONS AND THE CANDIDATE'S TEAM BE BANNED FROM CANVASSING IN THE ARTS BLOCK ON THE DAYS OF VOTING. I agree with him.

During Friday Mr.Duffy's campign team had the now embarrassing cheek to make snide remarks as to our respect for democracy. I note that irony.

As a result of a meeting held on saturday with the returning officer and senior returning officer Enda has been punished. The "punishment" entails the removal of 150 of his posters and his flyers (the reactionary flyers only -not his manifestos). Should we get our posters back(too late anyway) then Enda gets all 150 returned. JUSTICE? For being caught red handed(the rule that a candidate is responsible for any action of his campign team were made perfectly clear at a candidates meeting with the returning officer) Mr. Duffy's campign suffers a reduction of 100 less posters than ourselves. Should all his posters be removed that would only make us equal but even that hasn't happened. In effect no punishment was given.
We are appealling the decision.
We feel that any disavowing of the individual caught lies hollow after, the absolute assurances given to us, the clear logistical evidence that this wasn't the work of one individual but an organised and systematic attack and the rule that a candidate be held responsible for the actions of his or her campaign team. If this rule does not exist then any candidate could disavow the illegal actions of a member of their campign. In other words this rule is essential to prevent cheating.

Any distancing buy other campaign members from cheating are appreciated by in light of the extent of the destruction, the rule and the facts are totally insufficient.

singingstranger

Angry Liberal wrote:

[...] It should be noted that of all candidates Dan was the only one targeted. As evidence inside and outisde buildings, supported by the camera footage, shows these people ignored Orla's posters even when they would have been more easily removed.

While it is accepted that the CCTV footage does not show the removal of Órla's posters from within the Science building because no such action took place, I would like to remind all that a sizeable chunk of Órla's posters, also in outdoor areas, disappeared overnight too.

The_Minister

AngelofFire wrote:

Id like to reject that villanously false allegation. How dare you .Just to clarify that only person giving out manifestos there was me. I was not the person caught on camera and read my above post. i would never plan, advocate or involve myself in any assualt on another candidates material, so therefore what you are saying is just pure lies and spin. However when i was handing out manifestos one of dans campaigners came up to me and started making allegations about foul play on behalf of one of our campaigers, the incident hadnt been brought to my attention at the time so i assumed he was just stirring up crap, so i laughed told him he was talking a load of bull and walked away.

I demand a full apology from you over that allegation.

I will not apologise. I know what I heard. As I say below it is hard to see how it is a misunderstanding.

The_Minister

AngelofFire wrote:

However when i was handing out manifestos one of dans campaigners came up to me and started making allegations about foul play on behalf of one of our campaigers, the incident hadnt been brought to my attention at the time so i assumed he was just stirring up crap, so i laughed told him he was talking a load of bull and walked away.

I find it highly unlikely that what I heard took this form. Just to be sure it wasn't some big misunderstanding (I doubt it was but lets see) could you describe Haydn's campaigner? Again, what I heard does not fit this scenario.

panda100

peachypants wrote:

Second of all. VenusInFurs and Panda, I am sick to death of the petty bítching going on between the two of you. Whatever crap you have going on between yourselves will you keep it off this forum.

Yep-im well up for keeping it between ourselves,just that everytime I send a private email to back up any of my claims it just becomes public knowledge.I've only tried to do the decent thing with Darren and argue our disputes over private email because ih he calls me ill informed and uneducated on a public forum,I have the right to argue this with him privately.The fact is he runs off to all his friends and shows them the email-this I think is a disgrace!

Also,the person in question,darren I have spoken to directly and I had to tell them to write a letter into the observer because apparently they were grossly 'misquoted' by the paper!Art least I have the decency to say hello to you and you just scowl at me-really grown up behaviour!!no wonder your on Duffys team!

Anything you want to say to me Darren write it in a pm or speak to me directly cos I most certainly won't be writing a 'private' email to anyone on the left again.
Dont worry peachy-it wont happen again!promise:)

pretty*monster

Firespinner wrote:

I hate to throw fuel on the fire but at the Hustings (the green thing for candidates). I heard one of Duffys guys boasting and joking about what he had done - and he was still given out manifestos so he obviously had not been thrown out of Duffys campaign. If this was not sanctioned surely he would have been ejected from the campaign?

In the interest of clearing Chris's (AngelofFire) good name, I think it should be know that on the night of the alleged rip (Thursday) Chris was at the PhilSoc AGM, with me and many others (the minutes on the AGM confirm his presence), he then went to the Forum bar, and later got th bus home, he went as far as town with me.
So, he couldn't have been involved.

That's all I'm going ot say on the whole matter, except that it's a crying shame to see the elections being deriled in such a manner.
We should all be focusing on the issues.

panda100

Second that-chris is sound (even if he does have dodgy music taste!) so it definatly wouldnt have been him.

The_Minister

panda100 wrote:

Second that-chris is sound (even if he does have dodgy music taste!) so it definatly wouldnt have been him.

Note that i don't know what Chris looks like and I never said it was him.

pretty*monster wrote:

alleged rip .

I thought it had been proven. They were showing some of the footage earlier in the Arts block. It was much clearer than most CCTV.

hullaballoo

singingstranger wrote:

Er, it wasn't anyone on a team spying, it was standard Services CCTV...

Sure yeah, how silly of me. Of course the CCTV records are public information, and services alerted you to what was going on. I wasn't saying that spying is dirty, ripping down posters is, so obviously some campaigners need to have an eye kept on them.

I'm voting Ní Threasaigh, Canny and Colfer by the way so you've already got my vote.

Chinafoot

As far as I am aware this has been proven and the "punishment" handed out.

Personally I think that ripping down posters of the opposition, whether it was just one person or ten people, at the end of the day it is the candidate who should be held accountable. And I also think that the student body should be made aware of what happened.

However, as pretty*monster has pointed out we should be focusing on the issues. In recent weeks this forum has had the air of unpleasantness that I would expect to find on the newswire and to be perfectly honest I am sick to death of people launching attacks on candidates.

We all have a vote. If you don't agree with a candidates policies or just plain don't like them then use your common sense and don't vote for them. If you don't like any of them then vote RON.

Also, I will not tolerate people coming on here and canvassing for candidates. We are all going to be bombarded this week with campaigners, do you really want to have to face it when you log on here.

I have no problem with people discussing the policies, and I encourage that, as the elections affect us directly. But any more out right character assasinations and there will be consequences. I will not say this again.

If you want to participate in that kind of crap on the internet then I suggest you head for the newswire.