Public-v-Private school

smemon

what d'yall think on it?

you always see d institute wit good results and 600 points each year, it comes at a price of course.
but should private schools be allowed open? at the end of the day it's giving students an unfair advantage over those less privaleged. we're all sitting the LC the same exams.

as a public school student, i have to put up with a lot of rubbish from other students who interupt class but im used to it. inevitably people suffer as a result. should everyone be forced to do public school? that way everyone is on an equal playing field with no 'special notes' or textbooks.

if everyone had money, most of us would get better results
as we'd be in private school. why should the wealthy's kids be rewarded or indeed even seperated from the poor's?

Shrimp

privates better, you are treated more like an individual rather than just another student. Much better atmosphere.

Rockerette

smemon wrote:

but should private schools be allowed open? at the end of the day it's giving students an unfair advantage over those less privaleged. we're all sitting the LC the same exams.

as a public school student, i have to put up with a lot of rubbish from other students who interupt class but im used to it. inevitably people suffer as a result. should everyone be forced to do public school? that way everyone is on an equal playing field with no 'special notes' or textbooks.

if everyone had money, most of us would get better results
as we'd be in private school. why should the wealthy's kids be rewarded or indeed even seperated from the poor's?

ok firstly - it doesnt give us an unfair advantage. you said yourself, WE'RE ALL SITTING THE SAME EXAM.

secondly - theres a lot of crappy behaviour in private schools too, your nto the only one who has to put up with people interrupting class, so dont give me that ****

no, if everyone all "had money" it doesnt mean everyone would get better results. just because you go to a private school, doesnt mean you automatically are gonna do well.

i work damn hard in and out of school - at the end of the day, do the school really care what i get!? no... Do i want them to care? no. am i doing it for them? no...
Would i be aimign for the same amount of points, even if i was in a different school? yes.


i see the institute as an exception, cos they are so completely exam focused - people go there looking for 550+ points..


I do agree Shrimp though, im happy in my school.. theres a good atmosphere in it i guess

Azureus

i dont think there is a major difference tbh-apart from the extra money in people who go to public schools pockets! im in a public school and aiming to do very well, and id do the same in private school. its up to the student not the school, at the end of the day they dont really care if we get 200 points or 500-they still have a job at the end of it.

Azureus

and the atmosphere in my schools great too! i just dont pay lots of money for it!

Ravelleman

From what I can tell, you are suggesting that everyone should be forced to attend state schools rather than choosing between private and state schools. Please correct me if I'm wrong...

Personally, I enjoy my civil liberties so I disagree with you.

Take a look at modern day society. The wealthier man can afford a more expensive car than the poorer man and gain the benefits of owning it. He can afford a more expensive house than the poorer man and gain the benefits of owning it. He can afford to send his children to more expensive school than the poorer man and gain the benefits of doing so too. It makes no difference what he buys. He's perfectly entitled to give his money in exchange for what he perceives to be higher quality goods and/or services.

If you want to limit my choice of school then maybe you might want to limit my choice of clothes or choice of computer next. Where would you you draw the line? Soon we'd all be living in the same houses, driving the same cars, eating the same falovourless gruel and working in the same tank factory for the same wage. And then what do we have? Communism.

We live in a democratic, capitalist society with a reasonably open market. Choice is at the heart of it. What you are suggesting is some kind of society in which liberty is curtailed in exchange for 'equality.' They tried that in Russia for a few years. It failed. It's never worked. It never will work. You can't change human nature.

To limit my choice because you don't have the same choice as me seems awfully hypocritical.

Just saying.

Baggly

Ravelleman wrote:

They tried that in Russia for a few years./QUOTE]

they are also trying it in china and look at there.

all the dog you can eat.

and tbh, comparing equality with communism is the kind of crap id expect from someone so far from the poverty line they think its an annoying spec on daddy's merc.

the world could do with some more equality, and a lot less politically correct nonsense/ buying results / the superior attitude of the wealthy/ etc.

and i believe what was suggested was that private schools be stopped, not you being forced to attend one school in particular. as it is you can apply to the school with the best reputation if its public.

finally, a large % of the institutes student are repeats. 'nuff said

smemon

Ravelleman wrote:

From what I can tell, you are suggesting that everyone should be forced to attend state schools rather than choosing between private and state schools. Please correct me if I'm wrong...

Personally, I enjoy my civil liberties so I disagree with you.

Take a look at modern day society. The wealthier man can afford a more expensive car than the poorer man and gain the benefits of owning it. He can afford a more expensive house than the poorer man and gain the benefits of owning it. He can afford to send his children to more expensive school than the poorer man and gain the benefits of doing so too. It makes no difference what he buys. He's perfectly entitled to give his money in exchange for what he perceives to be higher quality goods and/or services.

If you want to limit my choice of school then maybe you might want to limit my choice of clothes or choice of computer next. Where would you you draw the line? Soon we'd all be living in the same houses, driving the same cars, eating the same falovourless gruel and working in the same tank factory for the same wage. And then what do we have? Communism.

We live in a democratic, capitalist society with a reasonably open market. Choice is at the heart of it. What you are suggesting is some kind of society in which liberty is curtailed in exchange for 'equality.' They tried that in Russia for a few years. It failed. It's never worked. It never will work. You can't change human nature.

To limit my choice because you don't have the same choice as me seems awfully hypocritical.

Just saying.

im not suggesting ireland turns to communism, but yes im suggesting a sort of communist style education system where everyone is equal and has the same opportunities.

now i know people say it's all down to the student but why not really stand behind that statement and say if its all about the student they will succeed wherever they will go, whether in public or private school.

reality is and people know it, that if you pay you get a better education, even if it is only marginal as in 20points or sumthing.

the children of one wealthy man shouldnt inherit his wealth, they should be made earn it like everyone else. thats sort of my point. of course there are arguments against that too.

Azureus

as much as id love to agree and say yes we should all have an equal chance etc, we all know its not going to happen as the idea is completely against the society we live in.
i do agree in a way though, that to get the best grades money is definately an object, private schools being just one example. theres also the price of grinds and language course etc etc that many working class people cant afford even though they would love to be given the chance to make the effort. even if everybody was forced to attend public school, it wouldnt change this.

abercrombie

smemon wrote:

as a public school student, i have to put up with a lot of rubbish from other students who interupt class but im used to it. inevitably people suffer as a result. should everyone be forced to do public school? that way everyone is on an equal playing field with no 'special notes' or textbooks.

if everyone had money, most of us would get better results
as we'd be in private school. why should the wealthy's kids be rewarded or indeed even seperated from the poor's?

i go to a private school and i can tell you that i also have to put up with a lot of rubbish..it's an all girls school too which can get very bitchy at times!! I don't think public and private schools are very different tbh....private schools don't get "special notes" as you put it...you are confusing them with grind schools. And i think the last time i checked all the textbooks that are relevant to each course are available to both private and public school students

Just because you go to a private school doesn't mean you're going to get better marks. That's just presumed, but you have to put the same amount of work and effort it. I think it's just facilities and the likes that are better in private schools because they have the extra money to put into these things! But that's not saying that public school facilities aren't up to standard because i have friends down the country who have great facilities in their school (i know coz i've experienced it first hand!)

what was my point again?? oh yes...this thread is just looking for trouble, it has been done before and you're just going to get people starting a fight because they think their "type" of school is better!

Baggly

abercrombie wrote:

what was my point again?? oh yes...this thread is just looking for trouble, it has been done before and you're just going to get people starting a fight because they think their "type" of school is better!

its not a fight, its reminding everyone im right

abercrombie

petermonaghan wrote:

its not a fight, its reminding everyone im right

everyone is intitled to their own opinion, nobody is right...they just have different views

smemon

well anyway i have to say so far it's 5 all in terms of who attends what type which imo is completely out of context. perhaps it highlights the fact that most LC students dont have access to laptops or PC's at home to use in their leisure time.

anyhow thats just my €0.02. i think it's wrong children should be segregated due to their parent's status in society and it gives people unfair advantages from an early age.

that said, ive little to be complaining about when there are millions without ANY education.

Muiriosa

I think the difference between public and private schools is in general very small. There is going to be rubbish and crap and people causing disruption wherever you go. People don't magically change when they enter into a private school. I do think though that there is a better learning atmosphere in private schools and healthier competition.

I attend a public school and I find the learning atmosphere terrible at times. People who are achievers and who work and study hard are often put down because it is seen as "uncool" to do well. I have a few friends in private schools on the other hand and from stories I hear, almost everyone there competes really hard for good results. I have to say I would like such an atmosphere in my school, as I'm sure many of you would as well...

Ravelleman

petermonaghan wrote:

and tbh, comparing equality with communism is the kind of crap id expect from someone so far from the poverty line they think its an annoying spec on daddy's merc.

the world could do with some more equality, and a lot less politically correct nonsense/ buying results / the superior attitude of the wealthy/ etc.

and i believe what was suggested was that private schools be stopped, not you being forced to attend one school in particular. as it is you can apply to the school with the best reputation if its public.

I'm not comparing equality to Communism. I'm comparing (en)forced equality to Communism.

And please don't use what you believe to be my socio economic grouping as a weapon against me. Let's try to be civil and keep a proper discussion going.

Setun

smemon wrote:

what d'yall think on it?

you always see d institute wit good results and 600 points each year, it comes at a price of course.
but should private schools be allowed open? at the end of the day it's giving students an unfair advantage over those less privaleged. we're all sitting the LC the same exams.

as a public school student, i have to put up with a lot of rubbish from other students who interupt class but im used to it. inevitably people suffer as a result. should everyone be forced to do public school? that way everyone is on an equal playing field with no 'special notes' or textbooks.

if everyone had money, most of us would get better results
as we'd be in private school. why should the wealthy's kids be rewarded or indeed even seperated from the poor's?

Communism ftw

Nah, doesn't bother me tbh, the LC is over-hyped anyway.

deisedolly

Tbh, people who say their in private schools bug me! Why pay money for something you can just as good for free?
aarrrgghhh!!

Azureus

'more money than sense' springs to mind but lets not go into that... )

each to their own,though as people keep highlighting there isnt much difference between the two, so why people choost to pay for education when its availible for free is beyond me.

Raphael

The 'tute is far from being your typical private school...it's a cram school, which is a subset of private schools

And I'd say the better results are related to the fact that someone doesn't go to a private school so he can mess about. If you, or your family, are paying for your education, you're not going to be able to pull the kinda crap people pull in public schools. And it probably gives people a bit of pride in their school, which in turn makes them treat the whole thing with a little more respect and make good teachers want to work there.

Rockerette

deisedolly wrote:

people who say their in private schools bug me! Why pay money for something you can just as good for free?
aarrrgghhh!!

we bug you!?!
jees im sorry......
what a stupid generalised comment though!


But seriosuly, ok maybe as a gerneral rule, but not everyone who goes to a private school is stinkin rich.. we dont all drive mercs (my family has a nissan ) all our "daddies" are high up in society... as i mentioned in another tread, my last school bill was €64.... my family aint rollin in money, so please dont judge us all to be snobby little rich kids....


Another thing to throw into the mill here, my parents wanted to send me to a school under church of ireland ethos.....

deisedolly

I'm sorry Rockerette I cant help but generalise because there is so many little rich kids, living off daddy's money and looking down their noses at the rest of us. I'm sure ye're not all like that but many are.

deisedolly

I'm sorry Rockerette I cant help but generalise because there is so many little rich kids, living off daddy's money and looking down their noses at the rest of us. I'm sure ye're not all like that but many are.

Rockerette

deisedolly wrote:

I'm sorry Rockerette I cant help but generalise because there is so many little rich kids, living off daddy's money and looking down their noses at the rest of us. I'm sure ye're not all like that but many are.

i know the kind of people you mean, but i can honestly say we're not all like that... i see those kind of people everyday... but there are many of us who dont live like that at all!
living off daddies money - :eek: - not me...
my bank a/c is made up of money i've earned.. and my weekly "pocket money" is 7.50 a week, to buy my lunch - nothing crazy or mad about that...!

hotasfunk

deisedolly wrote:

Tbh, people who say their in private schools bug me! Why pay money for something you can just as good for free?
aarrrgghhh!!

Eh, not really true. Private schools get better results, therefore, without private schools the national average would be lower. Which would suggest you cannot get "something" (reults) which are just as good for free.

smemon wrote:

but should private schools be allowed open? at the end of the day it's giving students an unfair advantage over those less privaleged. we're all sitting the LC the same exams.

Ok, well here we have your classic public school education showing itself. You're logic would tell us that if a school does better than another (giving the students of that school an unfair advantage), it should be changed so that it doesnt do so. Basically, that would mean having stringent tests to make sure that all schools give the exact same education, and all schools get similar results.

Smart, isn't it? Oh no wait, it certainly isn't.

People who go to private schools are more likely to get better LC results. If someones parents cant afford it, then oh well, though sh!t. Truth of the matter is, private schools are there to get the best results possible, by employing better teachers and giving pupils more freedom.

Public schools however, just want to get the students in and out (generally). Its not our fault we go to private schools. We're just better than you are.

Ravelleman

deisedolly wrote:

I'm sorry Rockerette I cant help but generalise because there is so many little rich kids, living off daddy's money and looking down their noses at the rest of us. I'm sure ye're not all like that but many are.

It's posts like this that will cause this thread to be locked and this discussion ended. Please, please leave your generalisations and preconceptions outside. I find this discussion interesting so I'd rather not see it locked by the powers that be.

Shrimp

Rockerette wrote:

But seriosuly, ok maybe as a gerneral rule, but not everyone who goes to a private school is stinkin rich.. we dont all drive mercs (my family has a nissan ) all our "daddies" are high up in society...

It actually is like that. I don't mean to sound all pretentious, but it is that way.

I can tell you that, Dads in Mercs, Moms in MPVs/4WD's and sons/daughters in 01+ cars is the reality of it. People who can afford to send their children to private schools can usually afford these things. That's not a snobbish attitude, it makes sense when you think of it.

katiegordon

I go to a public school And it’s a brilliant school IF you want to learn but the thing is there are so many people there who just don’t give a f**k.And I don’t mean doss all fifth year and half of 6th year and will then go oh better start studying now, I mean people who most likely wont pick up a book for half their LC exams!! The only reason id like to go private is because id say theres a much better working atmosphere .cause if youre in a place where everyone just wants to mess youre (well me anyway!!!) inclined to just join in.
Don’t want to tar everyone in public schools with the same brush because I know lots of people who are aiming high!However, I don’t think anyones aiming really really high because it seems unachievable, its just not done.

Shrimp

We all mess in my class, but perhaps it's cos we are a pretty tightly knit class. 11... in the year. We mess, but we know when we gotta stop.. usually when the guards are called.. na.. we know when enough is enough.

smemon

hotasfunk wrote:

Ok, well here we have your classic public school education showing itself. You're logic would tell us that if a school does better than another (giving the students of that school an unfair advantage), it should be changed so that it doesnt do so. Basically, that would mean having stringent tests to make sure that all schools give the exact same education, and all schools get similar results.

Smart, isn't it? Oh no wait, it certainly isn't.

People who go to private schools are more likely to get better LC results. If someones parents cant afford it, then oh well, though sh!t. Truth of the matter is, private schools are there to get the best results possible, by employing better teachers and giving pupils more freedom.

Public schools however, just want to get the students in and out (generally). Its not our fault we go to private schools. We're just better than you are.

is that a joke at the end?! by human nature everyone isnt going to teach the same or learn the same so how you'd expect to standardise results is beyond me and de-railing my point about equal opportunities, not equal results.

im not saying everyone should get the same results and the exact same education as in the same courses etc.. choice and variety is good. but im saying that you shouldnt be allowed buy or pay for success. it's much sweeter when you earn it by yourself, not when your parents pay for it. i dont think people appreciate that, they just take their wealth for granted once theyre brought up with it.

hotasfunk

I cant believe there are so many people in public schools, it must be really hard for you :cool:

Id actually die if I went to a public school.

Public school = Northside.

Sure everyone in the class would be looking at you the whole day waiting for the right time to nick your car keys and iPod.

deisedolly

hotasfunk wrote:

We're just better than you are.

And how exactly?
Your talking some load of sh*te

hotasfunk

smemon wrote:

is that a joke at the end?! by human nature everyone isnt going to teach the same or learn the same so how you'd expect to standardise results is beyond me and de-railing my point about equal opportunities, not equal results.

im not saying everyone should get the same results and the exact same education as in the same courses etc.. choice and variety is good. but im saying that you shouldnt be allowed buy or pay for success. it's much sweeter when you earn it by yourself, not when your parents pay for it. i dont think people appreciate that, they just take their wealth for granted once theyre brought up with it.

My God. You are a tool. Your parents arent paying for you to get 550 in the LC, you have to do that yourself. Its the same for everyone. The money goes towards better teaches, better atmosphere, smaller classes, better conditions etc. Its not a bribe to get you good results! I dont think you appreciate that, you're taking you're knowledge for granted.

hotasfunk

deisedolly wrote:

And how exactly?
Your talking some load of sh*te

How exactly? Oh I dont know, perhaps the reults of the Leaving Cert which are published every year? They kind of prove that there is a higher average for private schools. That makes us better. Now please refrain from further posting, your denial is beginning to annoy me.

smemon

hotasfunk wrote:

I cant believe there are so many people in public schools, it must be really hard for you :cool:

Id actually die if I went to a public school.

Public school = Northside.

Sure everyone in the class would be looking at you the whole day waiting for the right time to nick your car keys and iPod.

see look, this is what i mean. if you are indeed a private school student, why don't you appreciate it and realise you have a big advantage and more of a chance to do well than your public school colleagues.

the world doesnt revolve around dublin or you, your lucky to have food and clothes, never mind ipod's and cars, not to mention your education which you obviously take for granted.

Baggly

hotasfunk wrote:

Now please refrain from further posting, your denial is beginning to annoy me.

your attitude annoys me.

private schools have higher rates of lc points and also have higher rates of repeat leaving cert candidates.

they also have tools like you.

having you in my class would certainly encourage me to get the hell out of there .

hotasfunk

Id actually like to apologise to those of you who go to public schools outside of Dublin. I can understand that as I believe there are far less outside of Dublin.

Its in the capital that I am referring to, as Id never go to a public school here. They're far worse places, especially on the Northside.

To those of you not in Dublin, please disregard what Im saying about public schools, as it is not aimed at you.

Baggly

you speak from experience?

hotasfunk

In a way, yes. I have never been to a public school (my primary was, though). Although, my school play public schools in football, tennis, etc, and you can see the conditions and the way the pupils behave. Its far worse, and its been in the papers and on the news, there's no denying it.

Baggly

hotasfunk wrote:

In a way, yes.

so you mean no

please, you cant base a judgement on that (reasonably) based on going to other schools to play sports.

everyone acts like an idiot in front of other teams, its very disorientating.

and with regard to news reports, they only focus on, if you will excuse my french, sh*** holes. the good northside public schools dont get a look in cause they are too busy minding their own business to emphasise themselves for a budget extension from the dept of education

katiegordon

hotasfunk wrote:

Id actually like to apologise to those of you who go to public schools outside of Dublin. I can understand that as I believe there are far less outside of Dublin.

Its in the capital that I am referring to, as Id never go to a public school here. They're far worse places, especially on the Northside.

To those of you not in Dublin, please disregard what Im saying about public schools, as it is not aimed at you.

Oh my god you dont havent a clue what youre talking about!How dare you generalise people like that.Id rather go to a public school anyday than go to school with someone like you.
And why are you trying to start a north -v- south argument!?!
Coming from the southside imtelling you im telling you i know peope and places over there far "posher" than any ive seen on the southside!

hotasfunk

katiegordon wrote:

Oh my god you dont havent a clue what youre talking about!How dare you generalise people like that.Id rather go to a public school anyday than go to school with someone like you.
And why are you trying to start a north -v- south argument!?!
Coming from the southside imtelling you im telling you i know peope and places over there far "posher" than any ive seen on the southside!

Going to a public school and living on the Southside should be illegal. Pack your bags and get the bus over to the Northside please. Pov.

cianclarke

hotasfunk wrote:

I cant believe there are so many people in public schools, it must be really hard for you :cool:

Id actually die if I went to a public school.

Public school = Northside.

Sure everyone in the class would be looking at you the whole day waiting for the right time to nick your car keys and iPod.

I go to a public school. The building is pretty poor, the heating substandard and the department is nowhere to help - but we have the best teachers, and are possibly the best sporting school in the country. We're competing with brand new schools, and yet still we're top in the league tables for our county, beating a fee paying school (bruce). Enough said?

I think more money then sense applies quite a lot of the time (see above). All that I've ever seen (a southern perspective) is people are sent to a private school for sixth year by mummy and daddy because their little Johnny wasn't doing a toss in school, and they want a result they can boast about to all the other mummies and daddies at the golf club. "Mine got 550 points, and it only cost me 3k... Yeah? I paid 4, and got 600...".

Is the above a bit of a generalization? Yeah, just thought I'd jump on the bandwagon... It's the case a lot of the time.

Baggly

hotasfunk wrote:

Going to a public school and living on the Southside should be illegal. Pack your bags and get the bus over to the Northside please. Pov.

nice.

really using those private school brains tonight

katiegordon

hotasfunk wrote:

Going to a public school and living on the Southside should be illegal. Pack your bags and get the bus over to the Northside please. Pov.

Oh dear you havent a clue.
God help you when youre sent out into the big bad world............

hotasfunk

cianclarke wrote:

I go to a public school. The building is pretty poor, the heating substandard and the department is nowhere to help - but we have the best teachers, and are possibly the best sporting school in the country. We're competing with brand new schools, and yet still we're top in the league tables for our county, beating a fee paying school (bruce). Enough said?

I think more money then sense applies quite a lot of the time (see above). All that I've ever seen (a southern perspective) is people are sent to a private school for sixth year by mummy and daddy because their little Johnny wasn't doing a toss in school, and they want a result they can boast about to all the other mummies and daddies at the golf club. "Mine got 550 points, and it only cost me 3k... Yeah? I paid 4, and got 600...".

Is the above a bit of a generalization? Yeah, just thought I'd jump on the bandwagon... It's the case a lot of the time.

Nah man, most people are in private schools for the full six years, rarely are they just put there for 6th year; its hard to adjust and the course is usually into its revision stages.

Must say though, looked at your site and some of your photography is very good. Nice one.

JackKelly

hotasfunk wrote:

Going to a public school and living on the Southside should be illegal. Pack your bags and get the bus over to the Northside please. Pov.

wahey. Hotasfunk banned for trolling/snobbing and personal attacks.

Let's try and get this back on topic and keep away from a n.side s.side debate

abercrombie

hotasfunk wrote:

Going to a public school and living on the Southside should be illegal. Pack your bags and get the bus over to the Northside please. Pov.

are you trying to give people in private schools a bad name around here!?!

Raphael

TimAy wrote:

wahey. Hotasfunk banned for trolling/snobbing and personal attacks.

Let's try and get this back on topic and keep away from a n.side s.side debate

nutball

cianclarke wrote:

I think more money then sense applies quite a lot of the time (see above). All that I've ever seen (a southern perspective) is people are sent to a private school for sixth year by mummy and daddy because their little Johnny wasn't doing a toss in school, and they want a result they can boast about to all the other mummies and daddies at the golf club. "Mine got 550 points, and it only cost me 3k... Yeah? I paid 4, and got 600...".

I assume you're talking here about grind schools like the Institute or Bruce. This is from the Irish Independent, 30th November 2005:
"Last year the Institute sent a total of 347 students to one or other of the universities (259 to UCD and 88 to Trinity). This year's combined numbers from the Institute jumped to 445 (313 to UCD and 132 to TCD)."

The Institute is very good at massaging statistics to look good and very often their detractors use the same methods to criticise them. The thing is that while 445 students sounds like an awful lot, it's actually only about 59% of the year. The numbers they send to other universities are negligible. So even if we're very generous taking other colleges, ITs and universities abroad into the equation and say 70% of Institute students in any given year go on to university, that means 30% don't at all. And seeing as the whole point of going to the Institute is to get into college, that's not a terribly impressive statistic. What kind of points did that 30% get that they didn't get a single course on their CAO?

Also, it says on the Institute's website that 20% of their students get over 500 points. Knowing how they generally arrive at their statistics, I can say with a high degree of confidence that that includes students who actually go to other schools but take a grind or two at the Institute - they're still classed as 'Institute students'.

There is no denying that the tuition there is excellent but it's no guarantee of success. You still have to put in just as much of your own work as a student anywhere else. I will concede that the Institute does have a much better 'learning atmosphere' than other schools and class disruption is pretty much non-existent. But before going there, I spent five years in an 'ordinary' private school in Dublin which on a good day had a lot more in common with Sarajevo than Mallory Towers. The teachers were abysmal; class size was average; most of the facilities were nothing to shout about; and the attitude of most of the students was incredibly bad. It is consistently beaten in the Leaving Cert rank tables by the public school that I wanted to go to. Out of my original year, I think six of us made it into Trinity and stayed. That's 5.7%.

Most private schools are somewhat better-equipped than mine was but they're still not a surefire bet for academic success. I think you'll find that public schools in similar, comfortable areas, produce similar results and that there are students in less salubrious areas who manage to come up with the goods. This is because obviously, much of it is down to personal potential but home environment and encouragment plays a big role too.

ETA: I'd just like to mention that most of us weren't snotty rich kids with houses in the south of France and enormous Mercs picking us up. The vast majority of the people I know from school come from ordinary middle-class families who live in estates in the suburbs, drive pretty modest family cars and make certain sacrifices to pay the fees and do what they feel is best for their children.

Rockerette

im embarassed by pretty much everything hotasfunk had said about public schools...

yeah i go to a private one, but i see NOTHING wrong with public ones at all...

Rockerette

"Originally Posted by Rockerette
But seriosuly, ok maybe as a gerneral rule, but not everyone who goes to a private school is stinkin rich.. we dont all drive mercs (my family has a nissan ) all our "daddies" are high up in society... "

Shrimp wrote:

It actually is like that. I don't mean to sound all pretentious, but it is that way.

I can tell you that, Dads in Mercs, Moms in MPVs/4WD's and sons/daughters in 01+ cars is the reality of it. People who can afford to send their children to private schools can usually afford these things. That's not a snobbish attitude, it makes sense when you think of it.

Are you just disagreeing with me, despite what i said????
Its not ALWAYS like that... Yeah, theres some people like that, but theres an awful lot in my school who are "normal" as they say..