Socialist Embaressments

The_Minister

Bertie can walk up Grafton street with only one guard but he has to have a platoon with him when he visits UCD. It is an embaressment. Only about 12 pinkos will turn up, they will yell and act the yob, then go smoke hash and clap each other on the back, convinced that they have somehow changed something, afterwards going on to plot their next brilliant sceme. Why do we pretend that these gob****es represent anyone. They give students a bad name. They make me embarressed for UCD.
Why can't they just get over themselves and grow up?

HappyCrackHead

I'm glad you have such a high opinion of your peers who probably care more about your quality of third level education than you do.

Are you suggesting that people who protest get nothing done?

And people who use the word "pinkos" dont exactly warrant an explaination

The_Minister

I am angry. That is why I use terms like "pinkos".


They are a disgrace. I have no problem about education protests(even if i feel embaressed for the participants). Although i think it is dumb to complain to the taoiseach about modularisation-not his department.

Im angry at those anti-war protestors that give students a bad name

Goodshape

Firespinner wrote:

I am angry. That is why I use terms like "pinkos".

They're angry. That's why they protest.

Although i think it is dumb to complain to the taoiseach about modularisation-not his department.

He's the head of state. I think he has a bit of influence in the matter, no?

Im angry at those anti-war protestors that give students a bad name

Protesting unjust actions of the state is a right every citizen has. Not protesting gives everyone a bad name imho.

rainbow kirby

Well if nothing was ever protested then the situation for students would be a lot worse. A short protest is one way to draw attention to your cause, even if it doesn't change anything.

Mr.Nice Guy

Firespinner wrote:

I am angry. That is why I use terms like "pinkos".


They are a disgrace. I have no problem about education protests(even if i feel embaressed for the participants). Although i think it is dumb to complain to the taoiseach about modularisation-not his department.

Im angry at those anti-war protestors that give students a bad name

Well said. It's nothing to do with Bertie. If they want to be serious about it they should go protest near Mary Hanafin, Minister of Education.

I share your anger and agree that these guys give the students a bad name.

(PS nothing wrong with using the word "pinkos". No Simpsons fans around?)

AARRRGH

I have no problem with protestors as long as they aren't the member-of-every-organistion types who protest at everything.

I was one of the first members of the Ireland Palestine Organisation but I had to quit when I realised how many of their members simply need to protest at anything. I don't think they actually gave a ****. They just wanted to protest. It depressed me.

I do agree with protesting though. I don't think Irish people do it enough.

mloc

While I agree that protests are an important part of democracy and often justified, such as in the case of the national irish ferry protest, it seems that the so called "socialist movement" in UCD takes advantage of this right and uses this democratic tool in a deleterious manner.

As highlighted above, the recent protest against modularisation is a perfect example. Firstly, the protest itself: Does creating enormous amounts of noise whilst marching through campus and, this is what bothers me most, through lecture buildings WHILE LECTURES ARE TAKING PLACE really solve anything?

The use of air horns and whistles is nothing but childish and juvenile, creating a negative attitude and makes the protest seem more attractive to those who have no real interest in anything other than trouble making.

Modularisation, a development that strives to bring UCD into competition with other universities worldwide and perhaps, dare I say it, even enhance the value of the degrees these protesters seem too busy to actually study for, is not something that warrants protesting in the first place.

A view of the protesters as they marched through my faculty building while I was attending a lecture confirmed my predictions: the group was mainly the dirty, scruffy, long haired "alternative lifestyle" type that attends college so infrequently to the extent that it questions whether modularisation really has any impact on thier lives at all.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to tar all "alternative lifestyle" individuals with the same brush, indeed it is these so called socialist protesters that give those striving for individuality such a negative image. The reality is many people use freedom of expression and civil rights without realising that social contract demands resposibility. These people may become such a nuisance that when something actually worth protesting about comes along, the worthy cause finds itself falling on the deaf ears of tired, apathetic authorities.

tintinr35

Firespinner wrote:

Bertie can walk up Grafton street with only one guard but he has to have a platoon with him when he visits UCD. It is an embaressment. Only about 12 pinkos will turn up, they will yell and act the yob, then go smoke hash and clap each other on the back, convinced that they have somehow changed something, afterwards going on to plot their next brilliant sceme. Why do we pretend that these gob****es represent anyone. They give students a bad name. They make me embarressed for UCD.
Why can't they just get over themselves and grow up?

here here for the last few weeks looking at all these krustys i have been trying to come up with a post to adequtly voice my dislike and dismay at ppl like this,
thankfully u have done this for me, many thanks, god i hate krustys :rolleyes:

Red Alert

In france you would be tarred and feathered for saying that people shouldn't/have no right to protest.

I didn't join the protest the last day, as I'm in final year now so modularisation will not affect me. Do they have a right to protest? Absolutely! Modularisation is brought in to satisfy "The Man"'s corporate greed. He has no interest in education. His aim is to get us No. 1 in the OECD. I feel sorry for the academics in departments such as Hebrew and Jewish studies, or even mathematics as their research will probably be sidelined by "The Man" because they aren't the current hot topics.

The current advertising campaign makes us look like a bad knock-off of DCU. Student facilities (i.e. LG4 in arts) are disappearing so the space can be used for more 'profitable' activities. Does all of this warrent protest? Of course it does.

irlrobins

mloc wrote:

While I agree <snip> apathetic authorities.

Couldn't have said it better myself. But I wouldn't go as far as describe the protestors as "dirty".

No problems with people protesting, it's often a good thing. It's one thing to protest against modularisation peacefully. but to throw yourself at the head of the government's car and start protesting against the war in iraq etc when you were mandated by the student council to only protest about modularisation is another.

If you wanted to highlight your concerns about grants and modularisation then protest about that and that only. By changing the protest into an anti war protest, you achieved nothing. You only came across as someone who is protesting for the sake of protesting.

Dave!

What's this? Is there a protest on today? What time and where? I wanna go watch!

The_Minister

Red Alert wrote:

His aim is to get us No. 1 in the OECD.

Thats a good thing.

Red Alert wrote:

I feel sorry for the academics in departments such as Hebrew and Jewish studies.

I would not consider their research to be as important as those with practical applications, like that HIV professor who recently joined us.

Red Alert wrote:

In france you would be tarred and feathered for saying that people shouldn't/have no right to protest.

Thanks to the French love of free speech seven people are dead and every muslim is pissed off. You can have too much of a good thing. Besides, the socialists are only protesting for the sake of it.

Red Alert wrote:

Modularisation is brought in to satisfy "The Man"'s corporate greed..

Brainwashed people make baby jesus cry

The_Minister

mloc wrote:

Firstly, the protest itself: Does creating enormous amounts of noise whilst marching through campus and, this is what bothers me most, through lecture buildings WHILE LECTURES ARE TAKING PLACE really solve anything?

Disrupting education to protest at the disruption of their education......morons

Dave!

I get the feeling I've missed the protest...

The_Minister

Goodshape wrote:

He's the head of state. I think he has a bit of influence in the matter, no?
.

No.He does not get involved (not that a protest involving 12 students is that persuasive:D )

irlrobins

DaveMcG wrote:

I get the feeling I've missed the protest...

Ghee, what gave you that idea?

You can read all about it in the Observer that is all over campus at the mo.

Dave!

irlrobins wrote:

Ghee, what gave you that idea?

You can read all about it in the Observer that is all over campus at the mo.

bah, not arsed!

I actually saw a bit of a protest at the building to the right as you're walking towards the Student centre, across from the bookshop methinks.

I guess that was it!

aww, if I knew Bertie was gonna be there I woulda stayed for longer

irlrobins

DaveMcG wrote:

the building to the right as you're walking towards the Student centre, across from the bookshop methinks

Also known as the Chemistry Building. Yep, that's where Bertie was.

pretty*monster

irlrobins wrote:

but to throw yourself at the head of the government's car and start protesting against the war in Iraq etc when you were mandated by the student council to only protest about modularisation is another.

First of all the protest organised at Bertie Ahern's visit was never intended to be a part of the modularisation protest. Council mandated a union presence at Bertie’s visit to continue the grants protests.
It was just a coincidence that he was coming on the same day as the modularisation protest had already been scheduled. The 'Bertie protest' was at 10am, the modularisation protests was at 1pm, they were entirely seperate issues.

Secondly, council can only mandate sabbatical officers to attend protests, ordinary reps and other students were well within their rights to protest there in an anti-war capacity. Yes, it's unfortunate that there was a bit of a muddle between the anti-war and the 'centralise the grants', but that's the way the cookie crumbles. I don't think it's particularly embarrassing.
I think it would be far more embarrassing if students did nothing to mark Bertie's visit, if we acted like everything in Ireland was hunky-dory and we had no complaints.

irlrobins wrote:

By changing the protest into an anti war protest, you achieved nothing. You only came across as someone who is protesting for the sake of protesting.

I think very few, if any, people protest for the sake of protesting. Protesting takes hard work, organisation, and is frequently boring. It wouldn't be worth it if you didn't believe in what you were doing.

The anti-war protest achieved it's end I think(I wasn't involved in it, I was there in my capacity as a class rep, waving a 'centralise the grants system' sign), to keep Irish support of the war in Iraq, and the use of Shannon Airport by American troops in the papers and so continue to put pressure on the government.

irlrobins

pretty*monster wrote:

First of all the protest organised at Bertie Ahern's visit was never intended to be a part of the modularisation protest. Council mandated a union presence at Bertie’s visit to continue the grants protests.
It was just a coincidence that he was coming on the same day as the modularisation protest had already been scheduled. The 'Bertie protest' was at 10am, the modularisation protests was at 1pm, they were entirely seperate issues.

Fair enough. But that show's how the protest was ineffective. It wasn't apparant to me (I was passing by the protest at admin and science buildings) what the protest was about exactly. I don't think the protestors suceeded in getting a strong message across.

The anti-war protest achieved it's end I think(I wasn't involved in it, I was there in my capacity as a class rep, waving a 'centralise the grants system' sign)

So there you were, in the middle of a group of people chanting anti war chants holding a sign about grants issue. If I was bertie I'd take one look at you and disregard the lot of you as a bunch of people making a random protest. And as someone else said I'm sure a there were a number of people at the noise protest who went along just for the pleasure of being able to blow a fog horn inside a lecture building.

The_Minister

pretty*monster wrote:

I don't think it's particularly embarrassing.
I think it would be far more embarrassing if students did nothing to mark Bertie's visit, if we acted like everything in Ireland was hunky-dory and we had no complaints.

I'm sure he knows that there are problems in the country. Every country has problems and yet we don't all run around with placards chanting "bomb Shannon, then Sharon". There is no crisis in Ireland at the momant which warrents protest, especially not for students.

pretty*monster wrote:

I think very few, if any, people protest for the sake of protesting. Protesting takes hard work, organisation, and is frequently boring. It wouldn't be worth it if you didn't believe in what you were doing.

It is agood way to chat up girls, to act like a rebel, to be a bastard and still act righteous........

pretty*monster wrote:

The anti-war protest achieved it's end I think(I wasn't involved in it, I was there in my capacity as a class rep, waving a 'centralise the grants system' sign), to keep Irish support of the war in Iraq, and the use of Shannon Airport by American troops in the papers and so continue to put pressure on the government.

I pretty sure they announced already that Shannon would not be used next year. Few people care about Shannon. It keeps a political hot potatoe (shannon airport) in check and brings in some money. No matter how often certain people pray for a terrorist attack, and advertise one, its not going to happen.

Dave!

I'm gonna have to agree, I think it came across as a load of messers looking for something to protest about, and the fact that the Gardaí had to restrain some and stop people running up to Bertie's car showed the college up, and totally took away from any legitimate point made.

Chinafoot

Can we all use a bit of cop on here people? Any further use of the words "pinkos" or "krustys" or any other stereotypical derogatory terms will result in a ban.

You complain when they don't protest and then you complain when they do.....

:rolleyes:

Red Alert

If bertie ahern and his 'man' in charge of this institution want to make a political/commercial slave of this college then they should be man enough to take such a protest. the grants/fees/anti-war/whatever are all entitled to make their protest. what the didn't do was co-ordinate properly and as a result it looked silly - the issues are orthoganal to one another so it's not like there should be any competition between them.

Cnoc16

Well said firespinner.

Socialists are an embarrassment to me as a student. They just hop on every bandwagon in my opinion.

At a building site near my house, they are protesting because no local Irish labourers are employed. (There are a couple from the country, but the rest are mainly from eastern europe)

Anyway, this same crowd of clowns are the very people I saw protesting a few months back in Dún Laoghaire, with plackards reading.... 'Let foreign workers stay.....Jobs for All!'

They should get off their a** get a real job. Then they could comment on how the economy and society works.

Red Alert

many of the socialists are honest hardworking people who pay their taxes, unlike some of the capitalists like Denis O'Brien who claim not to live here despite being rich because of ireland. on topic, if you don't like their protesting, then go and do a counter-protest and stop complaining.

Cnoc16

Red Alert wrote:

if you don't like their protesting, then go and do a counter-protest and stop complaining.

Some of us have study and a job to do. It appears that they have all day to do nothing.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind anyone protesting, but the solutions they propose to the problems (when they bother to do that) are off the wall.

The economy would collapse in thier hands

randombassist

I think there's a bit of mis information going around here about these particular protests, and really it's wrong to classify all the people on them the same way, as there were several different groups. I was at all of them, not as a protestor, but as photographer for the Observer.

Particularly at the Bertie protest, there were two distinct groups of people. One was the SU, who it would unfair to fully charactarise as all socialists who were asking for prompt payment of grants. Somebody else earlier said that there's nothing worth protesting about. However if you were someone on a maintenance grant who needed the money for your books and accomodation, I'd say you'd think differently. I think that that's the kind of legitemate thing that the SU should protest about, and should try and bring to public attention, it is after all their job to represent the students.

However there was another group of 3/4 people who broke off from the main group, and went onto the other side, and started chanting ''bertie bertie blood on your hands'' who were very distinct from the others. I'd disagree with both what they were protesting about, and most certainly the manner in which they did so (whether or not it gave me a nice op for a photo shoot )

Just wanted to clear that up, as I felt it wasn't clear.

The_Minister

Whats a krusty. Could'nt find on wikapedia. Where is it from

Stabshauptmann

mloc wrote:

A view of the protesters as they marched through my faculty building while I was attending a lecture confirmed my predictions: the group was mainly the dirty, scruffy, long haired "alternative lifestyle" type that attends college so infrequently to the extent that it questions whether modularisation really has any impact on thier lives at all.

Modularisation and semestarisation impact these people more so than others. The biggest impact of the above changes are that they require a continuous and consistant effort all year round. In some cases 50% of a course mark can go for continuous assesment.

Now whether or not it should or shouldnt be introduced, modularisation will effect these people and they have a right to protest. Commerce was always semesterised and modularised (though first yr is kinda "normal")
IMO first yr students shouldnt have to deal with xmas exams as it takes away from the "college experience"

rainbow kirby

Erm, some of our courses are 45-50% continuous assessment already... and we're not modularised yet.

mloc

Kaptain Redeye wrote:

Modularisation and semestarisation impact these people more so than others...

...Now whether or not it should or shouldnt be introduced, modularisation will effect these people and they have a right to protest. Commerce was always semesterised and modularised (though first yr is kinda "normal")
IMO first yr students shouldnt have to deal with xmas exams as it takes away from the "college experience"

Firstly, I think its fair to say that the people I mentioned in the my first post are predominantly not first years and almost certainly not in commerce. Modularisation was proposed long before the academic year and therefore first years knew what to expect, all information was posted on the UCD website and I believe it is the responsability of the student to be informed of his or her course details. First years have no grounds to protest. Modularisation went ahead for 1st year undergraduates with no major changes from advertised plans. Therefore, you're argument as to whether 1st year should be modularised or not is rendered void; the fact is the system is in place and those entering the course knew what they were "getting themselves into". If they weren't aware, that is entirely thier fault.

As for other years, the fact remains that college semistisation and modularisation is all part of a progress towards to a more modern college architecture. Progress, of course, that is vital to the survival of UCD as
a competitive educational institution globally. And the reality is, right now, on a global scale, we rank quite poorly compared to what our potential might be.

This is a black and white matter. The majority of the protesters on the march were there to cause trouble, make a nuisance of themselves, and not to protest against any issue they knew anything about. Their right to protest is not in question. Their responsibility to act in a manner that is both respectable and reasonable is.

Red Alert

No i don't agree. When you read the official CAO handbook, it details requirements and content of your chosen courses. Current 2nd and 3rd years signed up to non-modularized courses. They signed up to courses for the most part not having bi-annual exams. The college is now saying that they won't get what they signed up for.

If this is all about UCD's long term strategy, why not let the natural wastage of 2 years take non-modular people out of the system?

mloc

Red Alert wrote:

No i don't agree. When you read the official CAO handbook, it details requirements and content of your chosen courses.

The CAO handbook provides only basic outlines of courses. It is certainly not something that should be relied on as the sole source of information regarding a course that will take up at least 3 years of your life.

Current 2nd and 3rd years signed up to non-modularized courses. They signed up to courses for the most part not having bi-annual exams. The college is now saying that they won't get what they signed up for.

Current 2nd and 3rd years signed up to non-modularised courses only by default. They were not expressly non-modularised and are, of course, subject to change.

Because students are forced to study more intensely throughout the year, the quality of the education and scope of courses can be vastly improved. It seems a lot of so called students find it objectionable that they're losing out on spending the first 6 months of each year hammered. Get real. Universities are there to educate, no to cater to those who would rather spend their time hammered than work towards their degree.

Irish students need to wake up to the reality that they are getting 3rd level education far easier than in most similiarly developed nations throughtout the world. The complaints against registration fees, delayed grants etc. are negligable compared to the systems in place in other countries leaving graduates with enormous debts of several hundred thousand euro, before working a single day. It's about time we learned to appreciate the system we have and tried to make the most of it, and protest in a totally inappropriate manner about schemes being put in place to maximise the value of our degrees.

Red Alert

you mean appreciate the system we *had* before 'The Man' decided he was going to change it. so what if they spend the first six months getting hammered, i don't care and i don't even think many staff members give a toss either. it's their first freedom away from school and before they'll have to have a real job so they might as well be let enjoy it.

arbeitsscheuer

Plus modularisation does not "maximise the value of our degrees."

It makes your degree portray you as some kind of useless jack of all trades, master of none. Added to this is the likelihood that Semesterisation will make it easier, not harder, to get a degree, and you end up with a much worse system than we had.

I mean jesus, it's not as if there weren't enuff fcukin people gettin Degrees without shag-all work...

mloc

Red Alert wrote:

you mean appreciate the system we *had* before 'The Man' decided he was going to change it. so what if they spend the first six months getting hammered, i don't care and i don't even think many staff members give a toss either. it's their first freedom away from school and before they'll have to have a real job so they might as well be let enjoy it.

Ok, now you're just being silly. I'm not going to argue with someone who uses the term "the man". And of course, socialising is an important part of college life, but we are not provided with cheap education so we can squander away tax payers money for half the year.

SebtheBum wrote:

Plus modularisation does not "maximise the value of our degrees."

It makes your degree portray you as some kind of useless jack of all trades, master of none.

It's clear you have, like most of these protesters, no real understanding of the modularisation system. While there is an OPTION to pick a unit unrelated to your core units, as a sort of change of scenary, this is only a secondary benefit.

Primarily, it provides departments with the autonomy the regulate and streamline the course material so that lectures can be more easily scheduled, lecturers can be given more freedom within their course work, and a more structured approach to departmentalisation can be utilized.

Most students haven't a clue what goes on on the administrative side of colleges. Enormous amounts of time and effort are required to keep a population of over 20,000 people working smoothly. Modularisation helps make this easier and enables changes to be made to specific courses and timetables without causing fallout in other course areas. Modularisation also unlocks huge possibilities for keeping courses up to date, which is increasingly important in many academic areas.

Red Alert

mloc wrote:

I'm not going to argue with someone who uses the term "the man".

That's ok, i'll refer to him in future posts as his full administrative title, Professor Hugh Brady. (Any slashdotters here know the PHB acronym?)

mloc wrote:

And of course, socialising is an important part of college life, but we are not provided with cheap education so we can squander away tax payers money for half the year.

I have talked to people involved in organising sports clubs who say modularisation and its accompanying exams have decimated participation in them. Universitys aren't supposed to be an educational sausage-factory. The early onset of exam pressure also stops the broadening of interests, such as going to plays, quizzes, political parties, gigs in addition to the pub.

mloc wrote:

It's clear you have, like most of these protesters, no real understanding of the modularisation system. While there is an OPTION to pick a unit unrelated to your core units, as a sort of change of scenary, this is only a secondary benefit.

What exactly is your experience of a modularisation system? Have you heard the ad that was on the national and local radio stations over the past few weeks - it didn't appear to be a 'secondary' benefit.

mloc wrote:

Primarily, it provides departments with the autonomy the regulate and streamline the course material so that lectures can be more easily scheduled, lecturers can be given more freedom within their course work, and a more structured approach to departmentalisation can be utilized.

so instead of the usual four lecture in the morning and four/lab in the afternoon we end up with people for example not having a lunchbreak and then having 2 days off. The course material is streamlined to an extent, but it means courses have to be pedantically self contained. For example could you assume in an advanced Mechanics course that somebody has studied the Laplace Transform? Answer is it's not absolutely necessary but you'd also have a long slog at the calculations if you hadn't done it.

mloc wrote:

Most students haven't a clue what goes on on the administrative side of colleges. Enormous amounts of time and effort are required to keep a population of over 20,000 people working smoothly. Modularisation helps make this easier and enables changes to be made to specific courses and timetables without causing fallout in other course areas. Modularisation also unlocks huge possibilities for keeping courses up to date, which is increasingly important in many academic areas.

Do you hold an administrative post in the college? The college has been running smoothly from the 1960's when my folks were there and seemed to be running smoothly when i came first too. I never heard tell of situations like people not being registered for courses or not understanding the SIS's rather cryptic registration process. Presumably fixed content courses are easier to manage centrally than dynamic ones. There's a known finite number of paths one can take to get their degree under the old system. Under the new one it's.... someone else can do the maths.

mloc

Red Alert wrote:

The early onset of exam pressure also stops the broadening of interests, such as going to plays, quizzes, political parties, gigs in addition to the pub.

Stops? I think anyone can manage a balanced attitude to college life with the modularisation system. In fact, with most college undergraduates working on a similar schedule, societies and clubs will find it easier to organise events and activities involving more students. This will hopefully remove the imbalance where arts and related students, with significantly lower hours per week, tended to dominate such activities.

Red Alert wrote:

Have you heard the ad that was on the national and local radio stations over the past few weeks - it didn't appear to be a 'secondary' benefit.

Concepts advertised on radio are designed to get more secondary school leavers interested in a college. Advertising this extra choice, however minimal, is what generates this interest in a college. Advertising the advantage to administrative staff wouldn't raise CAO entrance numbers!

Red Alert wrote:

The course material is streamlined to an extent, but it means courses have to be pedantically self contained. For example could you assume in an advanced Mechanics course that somebody has studied the Laplace Transform?

This is not the case. As departments have control over which units are chosen in the majority of cases, and records over which units have been taken already, it is easy to establish what content has already been covered. For the same reason, courses need not to be self contained. Courses can complement each other just the same as before. In most years after year one, the choice of units on the part of the student is limited to one or two at most, usually from a list of units all closely related to the core subject matter. This enables students to further thier knowledge in their own field of study, into further detail of areas they are particularly interested in.

Red Alert wrote:

Presumably fixed content courses are easier to manage centrally than dynamic ones.

As each unit becomes essentially a building block in the scheme of a course, it is easier to manipulate these blocks than to manage individual classes. The attribution of resources such as lecture theatres and labs is easier to manage.

In reality, the actual impact of modularisation (as opposed to semesterisation) is minimal to the student and is primarily an administrative evolution. Semesterisation on the other hand, affects the student more. However, one must remember, having half of exams completed by christmas greatly lightens the load at the summer. It also lessens the need to cram large amounts of information, a proven disaster when it comes to information retention. First year exams, in general, when compared to later years are comparitively easy and introductory, and do not greately impare a student from maintaining a balanced social life.

My original point seems to be lost in all of this. I was originally concerned that the behaviour of the protesters was irresponsible and only served to damage their causes by presenting them as childish louts.

Jonny Arson

Having experienced both the non-modularised and modularised systems I can safely say.....

simple old system > modularised/semesterised system

Degrees are becoming too makey upey now, students are doing electives and minors in first year subjects that they will never get a degree or anything in general out of.

Simplicity is the key, modularisation is too confusing regarding what you can do in 2nd/3rd year, tutorials etc.

I feel to dump exams on 1st years at Christmas isn't a good thing considering many students take absolutely forever to settle into the college way of education and life.

Personally I feel the degree I'm doing now in comparison to what I was doing last year is off a lesser value. Modularisation gives way to many options, yes it may broaden your ''horizons'' a bit but simply I feel under this new system my degree is only going to be looked at no more than a glorified Leaving Cert.

rainbow kirby

Well after 4 years in college... the whole modularisation thing will be very strange next year! I have to say though, I'm in favour of semesterisation. I don't handle exam pressure particularly well, and to have 4 of my 8 exams done already (and to know I'm carrying a 2.1 average ) is quite handy.

BleakestH

Firespinner wrote:

Bertie can walk up Grafton street with only one guard but he has to have a platoon with him when he visits UCD. It is an embaressment. Only about 12 pinkos will turn up, they will yell and act the yob, then go smoke hash and clap each other on the back, convinced that they have somehow changed something, afterwards going on to plot their next brilliant sceme. Why do we pretend that these gob****es represent anyone. They give students a bad name. They make me embarressed for UCD.
Why can't they just get over themselves and grow up?

Not half as embarrassing as your inability to spell mate.

The_Minister

BleakestH wrote:

Not half as embarrassing as your inability to spell mate.

It has generally been concluded in other discussions that having to resort to petty jibes about spelling is the last resort of the lost and clueless.
Still, if you must, please feel free to spellcheck every post in the forum.

Chinafoot

Firespinner wrote:

It has generally been concluded in other discussions that having to resort to petty jibes about spelling is the last resort of the lost and clueless.

But not for generalising and stereotyping?

Waltons

BleakestH wrote:

Not half as embarrassing as your inability to spell mate.

I don't think he attempted to spell "mate" at all :v:

Pythia

Waltons wrote:

I don't think he attempted to spell "mate" at all :v:

Rep ++ for you.

Time Magazine

Pythia wrote:

Rep ++ for you.

You're a socialist aren't ya Rach?

scop

Angry Banana wrote:

You're a socialist aren't ya Rach?

If Bertie is a socialist, well by golly, anything south of the Rhine is too.

The_Minister

peachypants wrote:

But not for generalising and stereotyping?

I am talking about to specific a group for it to be either. Its just true. Ah well, even the gene pool has to have dregs......


Reminded me of what a friend once started a speech with in a debate "I don't want to stereotype, so i'll just generalise":D

The_Minister

besides its a lot more petty to correct someones spelling unless it makes it illegible.