weights slow you down!!

Clubber Lang

hi, just thought i'd start a new thread on a topic that i have to listen to in the dressing room(Gaelic Football) time and time again and which i may add i always argue against because i belive weights have added to my speed not taken from it. anyway i've only started posting lately and really appreciate the advice i've been given so just hoping ou cold give me some ammo for my next debate!! p.s. note for dragan when i first posted you reckoned i had posted on fitness ireland i hadnt actually ever been on that forum or realised it was there but i did look it up since and i've seen the other clubber lang! what can i say two big rocky fans!!

tribulus

i don't see how it does tbh. I'm not too knowledgeable on this, so correct if i'm wrong but i was under the impression that heavy weight training developed type 2B muscle fibres, the fast twitch ones, responsible for explosive exercise i.e sprinting??

edit: just saw the other thread!!

base2

Bodybuilding does most definitely slow you down.

Patto

base2 wrote:

Bodybuilding does most definitely slow you down.

Would you care to provide some backup for this arguement?

t-ha

base2 wrote:

Bodybuilding does most definitely slow you down.

I wouldn't really disagree with you, however this thread is about the use of weights - not bodybuilding. Given that just about every athlete or sportsperson who trains for speed uses weights to assist that goal, I find your post to be more than a little misleading.

base2

Its simple enough. If you are training to build big muscles then, you are going to lose the ability for you muscles to snap your limbs into a position as quickly. Sprinters and the like use weights, but its only a small part of their program and the way they train with them is very particular.

Dragan

base2 wrote:

If you are training to build big muscles then, you are going to lose the ability for you muscles to snap your limbs into a position as quickly.

Once again we are not talking about bodybuilding, but utilising weight training to acheive your sports related goals.

Look at Rugby teams, since a prevalance of position related weights programs the game has become much faster, Ricky Hatton is an open advocate of weight training for boxers, as you said sprinters and other athletes also use weights and they would hardly be considered fast.

As for the line i have highlighted i suggest you look at the prevalance of weigth training amongst mixed martial artists and check there ability to "snap the limbs into position".

Cake Fiend

Clubber Lang wrote:

hi, just thought i'd start a new thread on a topic that i have to listen to in the dressing room(Gaelic Football) time and time again

Unless all the lads in the dressing room are trained physios, I'd take what they have to say with a pinch of salt. This is exactly how myths like this one get propogated - some lad in the dressing room tells you something he heard from some lad in the dressing room who heard it from some lad... etc.

I had a guy who can't kick above his own waist try to lecture me on flexibility the other day :rolleyes:

Transform

Snap limbs into position - is that a technical term?

For optimal performance

1. Develop strength - through growing size of muscles (like bodybuilding though call it what you will)

2. Develop power - a factor of strength and speed

3. Improved biomechanics - using said power in training correctly and SAQ training (Speed agility quickness)

4. Improve skill - play your sport and do it regualrly is still best for overall improvement.

However, without strength as the foundation you will just end up being quick without the abiliity to hold off opponents and now powerful enough to knock it over from any respectable distance.

Patto

That is Gold dust Transform!

"Improved biomechanics - using said power in training correctly and SAQ training (Speed agility quickness)"

Would you care to expand? I'm fairly familiar with SAQ in that I've been trained using SAQ techniques for a few years. Never fully unterstood it though. Are there courses you can do?

Transform

SAQ - Jim Kilty at SAQ ireland.

Improved biomechanics - should have stated that postural assessment should be done to check for tightness so muscles can fire optimally e.g. tight piriformus, IT band, calves etc. Also the addition of plyometrics with point 4.

Without the above steps of 1-5 all team sport players can forget about any development of their game