who would u support?

magick

backround to the story and the pics......

A series of dramatic photos showing a driver and bike courier in an apparent scuffle over litter in Toronto is generating heated online debate about how far the envelope can be pushed in taking a stand.

The photos on the website citynoise.org depict a Jan. 26 incident in the Kensington Market district, a popular tourist site known for its fruit and vegetable markets and tiny shops.

According to the website, the male driver tossed some litter onto the street. The female biker picked it up and tossed it back into the van. He threw coffee on her and the two appeared to fight.

and the pics.......http://www.citynoise.org/article/2770

i think the courier was in the right, the driver basically assulted her.

stevieg_irl

that fella is gone bannanas

connundrum

Its the kids I feel sorry for TBH. I'd have knocked yer man round the place with the feckin bike.. ya just can't go round hittin weemen, its against every moral fibre in every man's body

toffeapple

connundrum wrote:

Its the kids I feel sorry for TBH. I'd have knocked yer man round the place with the feckin bike.. ya just can't go round hittin weemen, its against every moral fibre in every man's body

"think of the children..won't somebody please think of the children!!!"

Only joking..yeah agreeded he shouldnt of attacked her like that...raising your hands to a woman is wrong...she shouldnt have thrown it back in his van but no need for a reaction like that...you can tell from the pictures hes a nutter i would knocked him out if i had a been there

county

stevieg_irl wrote:

that fella is gone bannanas

see the evil look on his face:eek:

Siogfinsceal

she was outta line throwing it back into the van but he went way to far afterwards he could be done for assault

monkeyfudge

Excellent photography there.

Can't be easy to get shots of people moving around like that without it all going blury.

Tobias Greeshman

Yeah she shouldn't of thrown the rubbish back at him and keyed his car after he threw coffee at her. I'm surprised no one hit the guy. That guy deserved a good clattering.

Wibbs

If I had dumped stuff out of the car(not good) and she threw it back at me, I 'd probably not be happy(though in the wrong) and give her a simple bollocking from the car, but that's well out of order. She's a chick. You don't hit them. Full stop. Bad show and no mistake. Also in one shot it looks like she's getting the better of him. How sad an excuse for a bloke is he on soooo many levels.

Hagar

[Devil's Advocate] What gave her the right to throw the litter into his car? Would a policeman have that right? I think not. Should not her correct course of action have been to contact the cops and give his reg etc.? Had she the right to take the law into her own hands? [/Devil's Advocate]

Bodhidharma

Both of them are wrong. I'd say yer one is a typical cyclist, trying really hard to show how environmentally safe she is.

Its none of her business what the guy does with his rubbish. If she wanted to be the good samaritan she should have put the litter in the bin, instead she tries to be the tough guy but shoving in on yer man. Unfortunately for her the guy was a psycho, thats what you get when you try to impose your views on an unwilling recipient.

In saying that though that guy is some a**hole.

whiskeyman

more here

Turns out the litter was a burger in a paper wrapper.
I think she was a fool to chuck it back in tbh.
These days, you never know how some freaks will react.
She should have just reported it and put the litter in the bin.

Hagar

whiskeyman wrote:

and put the litter in the bun.

So it was a bun burger then.:D

Mr Magnolia

Fair play to her IMO, if I'd seen him attacking her like that I'd have got involved sharpish.

godtabh

Both parties were in the wrong. He shouldnt have thrown the litter on the ground and she shouldnt have thrown it back at him.

But two wrongs dont make a right this is no excuse for hitting a woman.

The sites very popular. Its taking an age to load up

stevieg_irl

county wrote:

see the evil look on his face:eek:

evil? the guy is a looney, hahaha

muckwarrior

Fair fυcks to her. Looks like she gave as good as she got.

toffeapple

Disagreements like this can only be sloved in one way...give them both plugel sticks and let them battle it out in a Kirk v Spock stlyeeee

Dit da daaa daaaa daaaa daaaa dita da da .....

AngryBadger

Disagree with violence toward women, bt a the same time, if you throw crap into someone's car, (even if it's their crap), you're asking for trouble. if she'd just shouted at him, fair enough. but she chucked stuff back into his car.

I dunno, maybe it's a sign of moral decay that we think there are limits to how far ew can pull someone up when they're out of line, but the reality is if you do what this woman did, you are putting yourself in the sights of a loaded gun.

YeatsCounty

The cyclist herself says that it wasn't the wisest thing to throw the food back into the car. So she's realised her mistake.

"He had popped open his car door and whipped his food on the road, like a beef patty on a bun in a paper bag, and then slammed the door ... so obviously now, against better judgment, I leapt up, grabbed the food, opened his door, shouted something about `Don't litter in my neighbourhood,' and threw it back in his car and shut the door. He lost it."

She then added: "I understand, that's your personal space and in hindsight maybe it wasn't the best way to approach it."

Perhaps she was sick and tired of idiots going around liked they owned her neighbourhood, doing what they liked just because they would be gone from there in a few minutes?

The police didn't lay any charges on the lunatic, but I'm sure he is regretting his show of manliness as I type. He's getting his comeuppance, I reckon.

Sifo

"i did not see the beginning of this, but the report goes as follows:
motorist throws food out of window. courier, disliking littering, picks up food and throws food back in car. motorist dumps coffee on courier. courier scratches car with key. road rage ensues."

if she disliked littering she could have just put it in a bin and gave him the finger and called him a w*nker. Instead she throws it back in the car!! He throws coffee on her and then she keys his car which is gonna cost a few quid!! he starts smashing up her bike (fair game) and they get in a scuffle... I don't think any punches were thrown.

hullaballoo

I fail to see where the debate comes from. A man litters. Then when his number gets called, he flies off the handle and assaults a woman, and has to ba restrained by passers by.

Seems like an open and shut case to me.

AngryBadger

hullaballoo wrote:

I fail to see where the debate comes from. A man litters. Then when his number gets called, he flies off the handle and assaults a woman, and has to ba restrained by passers by.

So two wrongs make a right now?

hullaballoo

AngryBadger wrote:

I like to jump the gun

Where did you see me draw any conclusion? I said I thought the man was in the wrong. I never said anything about the anybody being right.

Don't pick fights.

Mr Magnolia

hullaballoo wrote:

I fail to see where the debate comes from. A man litters. Then when his number gets called, he flies off the handle and assaults a woman, and has to ba restrained by passers by.

Seems like an open and shut case to me.

Exactly

AngryBadger wrote:

So two wrongs make a right now?

I can't really see what she did wrong, she was cheeky ok, but she didn't break the law, did she? He did, and before you say it, I know it's not her position to police the laws but why should she(we) bury our heads in the sand?

no leaf clover

[/QUOTE] So two wrongs make a right now?[/QUOTE]

Yeh multiply a minus by a minus and you get a plus,
she was fairly in the right, there are times when you have to take a stand, and by the sounds of it theat guy is lucky it didnt happen on o connell street, or Ireland at all as he would've had several male passers by apprehending him!!!!

Shabadu

Hagar wrote:

What gave her the right to throw the litter into his car?

What right did he have to throw litter on the ground?

Ozzy

Exactly. Fair play to her, she was right to give his trash back to him, particularly based on the disgusting way the selfish knackbag reacted.

All people who litter deserve a swift kick up the arse.

toffeapple wrote:

Dit da daaa daaaa daaaa daaaa dita da da .....

That's some nice verbally instrumental acumen you got goin on there buddy

senordingdong

Hahaha....typical Canadian behaviour.
Ofcourse I'd take the bikers side.

seamus

Let's be honest here. The guy is just some blue-collar scumbag.

nlgbbbblth

The guy who started it i.e. threw the litter in the street is completely at fault.

It's about time the law took a stand against people who start fights / confrontations as opposed to coming down heavier on the person who retaliates.

Anyone who disagrees with me is basically condoning littering.

Doctor Fell

I think they were both wrong - he shouldn't litter, shouldn't attack her bike but he was definitely provoked. I mean she threw food into his car and keyed his car FFS! That's totally inexcusable. Littering IMO is not as big a deal as keying someone's car. How would u honestly react if u made a mistake and littered, and someone reacted to u the way she did?? Be honest, you'd be raging too... I'm not condoning him btw, just saying I can understand why he's p*ssed off.

toffeapple

seamus wrote:

Let's be honest here. The guy is just some blue-collar scumbag.

showing your true "colours" with that statement

toffeapple

Ozzy wrote:

Exactly. Fair play to her, she was right to give his trash back to him, particularly based on the disgusting way the selfish knackbag reacted.

All people who litter deserve a swift kick up the arse.



That's some nice verbally instrumental acumen you got goin on there buddy

glad you got the tune from that

nlgbbbblth

toffeapple wrote:

showing your true "colours" with that statement

Some scumbags are blue collar - are you denying that?

Dyr

from the sound of it she was the one who escalated the confrontation to another level twice...You go looking for an argument dont complain when you find one


:v: < yer wan looks like a bleedin courier anyway, a species famous for their consideration for their fellow road users

toffeapple

nlgbbbblth wrote:

Some scumbags are blue collar - are you denying that?

it was just a stupidpun..hence the quotes...if you wont a good row bring it on.. his comment seemed to imply that he was a scumbag cos he drove a van..hence the blue collar staement..he could of just said scumbag..he added blue collar

funk-you

nlgbbbblth wrote:

Some scumbags are blue collar - are you denying that?

/butts in/

no but why would anyone feel the need to make that assumption/statement? whats blue collar got to do with anything?

-Funk

John R

Doctor Fell wrote:

I think they were both wrong - he shouldn't litter, shouldn't attack her bike but he was definitely provoked. I mean she threw food into his car and keyed his car FFS! That's totally inexcusable. Littering IMO is not as big a deal as keying someone's car. How would u honestly react if u made a mistake and littered, and someone reacted to u the way she did?? Be honest, you'd be raging too... I'm not condoning him btw, just saying I can understand why he's p*ssed off.

He threw something on the ground and she returned it to him, sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

If somebody threw hot liquid on me keying their car would be the very model of restraint on my part.

Doctor Fell wrote:

How would u honestly react if u made a mistake and littered, and someone reacted to u the way she did?? Be honest, you'd be raging too... I'm not condoning him btw, just saying I can understand why he's p*ssed off.

He was p!ssed off 'cause he was a scumbag.
How exactly is opening the door, throwing food on the ground and closing the door a mistake?

We all know that reporting this sort of thing to the police is a complete waste of time, the only way scum will think twice before doing that sort of thing is if they are not able to do it openly without being confronted.

AngryBadger

hullaballoo wrote:

I eat babies, they're yummy

Also

hullaballoo wrote:

Don't pick fights

Isn't that exactly what she did?

Doctor Fell wrote:

I think they were both wrong - he shouldn't litter, shouldn't attack her bike but he was definitely provoked.

Exactly.The guy shouldn't be dumping in the street, but she was a fool to chuck it back in his car. Should have just thrown it in the bin and made a complaint.

Crucifix

They were both wrong...but the guy was more wrong IMO.

flogen

I would say fair play to her for throwing it back, he was the one that wen't too far.
All the same, she should have expected a negative reaction!

Guy:Incognito

nlgbbbblth wrote:

The guy who started it i.e. threw the litter in the street is completely at fault.

It's about time the law took a stand against people who start fights / confrontations as opposed to coming down heavier on the person who retaliates. He did nothing to her specifically, it was her who "attacked" him.

Anyone who disagrees with me is basically condoning littering.

So anyone who takes offence to something someone else does should physically repremand them, without fear of consequence?

Ozzy wrote:

Exactly. Fair play to her, she was right to give his trash back to him, particularly based on the disgusting way the selfish knackbag reacted.

All people who litter deserve a swift kick up the arse.



That's some nice verbally instrumental acumen you got goin on there buddy

Thats the police's job. She should have reported him.

Shabadu wrote:

What right did he have to throw litter on the ground?

The same right she had to throw it back in.

Sparks400 wrote:

I can't really see what she did wrong, she was cheeky ok, but she didn't break the law, did she? He did, and before you say it, I know it's not her position to police the laws but why should she(we) bury our heads in the sand?

Yes, she caused criminal damage to his car.

YeatsCounty wrote:

The cyclist herself says that it wasn't the wisest thing to throw the food back into the car. So she's realised her mistake. Perhaps she was sick and tired of idiots going around liked they owned her neighbourhood, doing what they liked just because they would be gone from there in a few minutes?.

I didnt read the full article but I'm going on whats said in the thread. Unless she's incredibly rich, I doubt it's HER neighbourhood. How did she know it wasnt also HIS neighbourhood?


They were both wrong, no two ways about it.

Mr Magnolia

Stekelly wrote:

So anyone who takes offence to something someone else does should physically repremand them, without fear of consequence?
Thats the police's job. She should have reported him.
The same right she had to throw it back in.
Yes, she caused criminal damage to his car.
I didnt read the full article but I'm going on whats said in the thread. Unless she's incredibly rich, I doubt it's HER neighbourhood. How did she know it wasnt also HIS neighbourhood?
They were both wrong, no two ways about it.

Wa wa wa, yakiti yakiti............. Troll

randomname2005

First up, she said she keyed the car by accident, she wears her key on a band on her wrist and it happened by accident, we only have her word on that tho!

I say fair play to her, someone standing up for what they believe in. If he is too lazy to walk to a bin and just throws his stuff in the street without making any effort to dispose of it properly, he deserves to get it back. And as for throwing two coffees at her, that is bang out of order.

Slightly deviating from the actual incident, if the car had been moving and he had thrown it out the window, he could have caused a serious accident.
R

nlgbbbblth

Sparks400 wrote:

Wa wa wa, yakiti yakiti............. Troll

So anybody who posts something that you disagree with is automatically a troll?

prick

nlgbbbblth

Stekelly wrote:

So anyone who takes offence to something someone else does should physically repremand them, without fear of consequence?

Naturally there should be consequences.

But courts should take into account the role of the instigator and pass sentence accordingly. People need to be responsible for their actions.

Example: Mr A breaks into Mr B's house. A scuffle breaks out and Mr B is badly assaulted. So much that he is left paralysed for the rest of his life.

While Mr B has undoubtedly gone too far and should be punished accordingly, Mr A should also be thrown in jail for breaking into the house in the first place.

faceman

Fair play to her. Anyone who thinks ur woman had no right to do what she did is flamin bonkers. This world is gone PC mad. (I prefer Macs meself! lol) We the people shud be taken a stand, thats how laws change n all that stuff.

wow thats far too serious for me, i need a beer

astrofool

she should have ground the burger into his face. I'd probs do the same as her myself, and woe betide the person that crossed me after

rsynnott

toffeapple wrote:

...she shouldnt have thrown it back in his van but no need for a reaction like that...

Why not? He's littering.

Sparky

he litters the street, she in return litters his car.

LOL at this pic http://www.citynoise.org/upload/8029.jpg