migrant EU workers entitled to child payment

Bettyboop

migrant workers here are to get the childs allowance whether
their children are here or not.
it will cost taxpayers €150 million just to pay a third of them.:mad:

The_Minister

valerie wrote:

migrant workers here are to get the childs allowance whether
their children are here or not.
it will cost taxpayers €150 million just to pay a third of them.:mad:

Only if they claim it. Most don't know their rights.
I'm told it is some EU law that stops them preventing them claiming it.

Zombrex

valerie wrote:

migrant workers here are to get the childs allowance whether
their children are here or not.

Which they are prefectly entitled to do (assuming they qualify) ... do you have a point???

valerie wrote:

t will cost taxpayers €150 million just to pay a third of them

What?? So you mean it will cost €450 million to pay all of them?

And by the way it is only going to cost €450 million if there are 2.6 million children whos parents are working in Ireland and qualify for Children Benefit. As far as I know there isn't that many Irish people let alone migrant workers. Did you just pick the number of children in Poland or something??

Why don't you go work in Poland and claim children's allowance there, balance things out :rolleyes:

Madge

Wicknight wrote:

Which they are prefectly entitled to do (assuming they qualify) ... do you have a point???

The point is that peoples hard earned money will be given to migrants so they can sustain their kids WHO AREN'T EVEN IN THIS COUNTRY. Such a fkn disgrace. :mad:
Do you not see anything wrong with that? :rolleyes:

The_Minister

The 150 million is just a Fine Gael figure - you sure its right?
150,000,000 divided by 1000 (per year) = 150,000 x 3 (get full number of migrants if 150000 only one third) = 450,000 migrants. That doesn't feel right

MrPudding

valerie wrote:

migrant workers here are to get the childs allowance whether
their children are here or not.
it will cost taxpayers €150 million just to pay a third of them.:mad:

Is that on top of the free car, mobile phone, cooker and pram or is that all included in it?

Presumably the children are still the workers dependents so therefore entitled to the payment. Do we have any further info on this? I am in for a contract in London. I might claim CB over there while I'm at it.

MrP

Bettyboop

All EU workers to get childcare benefit

30 January 2006 19:17
RTÉ News has learned that the Early Childcare Allowance is to be paid to the children of all workers from EU countries living here, whether or not their children are resident in Ireland.

As a result, Fine Gael says the Government may have underestimated the cost of the allowance by as much as €150m.

The allowance of €1,000 per year, given to parents of all children under six, was announced in the budget in December, and was to be paid from the middle of this year to help parents defray the high cost of childcare here.

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The Government says the payments to children not resident here will not significantly add to the cost of the scheme.

ronbyrne2005

i can see single migrant men claiming for phantom children unless this scheme is well policed ,heck i might start claiming i have 3 kids in latvia!

Duras

valerie wrote:

migrant workers here are to get the childs allowance whether
their children are here or not.
it will cost taxpayers €150 million just to pay a third of them.:mad:

Migrant workers as u call them are tax payers as well, so I don't see what's your problem?

ronbyrne2005 wrote:

i can see single migrant men claiming for phantom children unless this scheme is well policed ,heck i might start claiming i have 3 kids in latvia!

Maybe you do and now is the time to reveal the secret

gandalf

Rather than direct your ire at the migrant workers maybe you should direct it at the Government who thought up this get elected quick scheme and the civil servants who didn't think through all the outcomes of it before giving it the all clear.

If a private employee made an error in a project that cost his employers a large amount of money he would be fired outright and rightly so. As usual I doubt the Minister in charge Mini Brennen or the civil servants will be made accountable for another cock up and waste of money in good old Celtic Tiger Ireland.

Zombrex

Madge wrote:

The point is that peoples hard earned money will be given to migrants so they can sustain their kids WHO AREN'T EVEN IN THIS COUNTRY. Such a fkn disgrace. :mad:
Do you not see anything wrong with that? :rolleyes:

Your hard earned money has been paying for people kids who aren't even in this country for years. They are in the EU, just like you. Thats the point. Any one in the EU can do this.

Why would the French or Italians or any EU country pay child support for children when their French or Italian parents are off working in another EU country, contributing to another EU countries economy and most importantly paying tax in another EU country.

People are very quick to forget about the entire point of the EU after we have taken trillions of French, German and Spainish peoples hard earn cash for ourselfs ... maybe we should give back all our roads :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

pete

gandalf wrote:

If a private employee made an error in a project that cost his employers a large amount of money he would be fired outright and rightly so. As usual I doubt the Minister in charge Mini Brennen or the civil servants will be made accountable for another cock up and waste of money in good old Celtic Tiger Ireland.

I'm curious which you consider to be a "waste of money" - the scheme itself, or paying it to migrant workers?

AARRRGH

I would assume paying PRSI etc entitles you to childrens allowance? Who gives a **** if the children are in Ireland or not?

...

Also, I noticed your wording was against migrants rather than against the goverments decision. Quite pathetic really.

gandalf

pete wrote:

I'm curious which you consider to be a "waste of money" - the scheme itself, or paying it to migrant workers?

The Scheme itself is. If this government were serious about childcare they should allow people write off the costs against their taxes instead of coming up with short term headline grabber schemes that they haven't even thought out. Or maybe put some thought into State Creches and extended facilities in schools to keep pupils after hours until their parents can pick them up. For most people €1000 is nothing compared to the costs they actually have.

As usual its nothing but a short term fix for the Proles to vote back in the same tired old muppets.

gandalf

Edited the title to accurately reflect the subject matter.

The_Minister

MrPudding wrote:

Presumably the children are still the workers dependents so therefore entitled to the payment. Do we have any further info on this? I am in for a contract in London. I might claim CB over there while I'm at it.

MrP

Go ahead its your right - they can't stop you

The_Minister

Firespinner wrote:

The 150 million is just a Fine Gael figure - you sure its right?
150,000,000 divided by 1000 (per year) = 150,000 x 3 (get full number of migrants if 150000 only one third) = 450,000 migrants. That doesn't feel right

Fine Gael has withdrawn that figure. On Q&A Mairead McGuinness cut it to 50 million but i doubt its even that. That figure leads to 50,000 migrants and thats bollocks. Most migrants either bring their whole families here or are single. I only know one who has kids back home and they are grown.
I guess Fine Gael has joined Labour in the race for the bottom.

gandalf wrote:

the civil servants who didn't think through all the outcomes of it before giving it the all clear.

The migrants WERE factored in when the cost was being added up

samb

Wicknight wrote:

Your hard earned money has been paying for people kids who aren't even in this country for years. They are in the EU, just like you. Thats the point. Any one in the EU can do this.

Why would the French or Italians or any EU country pay child support for children when their French or Italian parents are off working in another EU country, contributing to another EU countries economy and most importantly paying tax in another EU country.

People are very quick to forget about the entire point of the EU after we have taken trillions of French, German and Spainish peoples hard earn cash for ourselfs ... maybe we should give back all our roads :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Well said, people are so quick to condem immirgrants without even thinking about the economics of it.
These people were educated abroad (poland or whereever paid for that) they have come here and are fuelling our economy (paying taxes and building our infrastructure). People then begrudge them a 1,000 euro a year for leaving a child a home? What country pay for the education of that child? Please think about these things before jumping on the Xenophobic band-wagon.
These immigrants are paying for Irish people's childrens health care and education not the other way around.

Far Corfe

Wicknight wrote:

People are very quick to forget about the entire point of the EU after we have taken trillions of French, German and Spainish peoples hard earn cash for ourselfs ... maybe we should give back all our roads :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

People of Europe would consign the whole EU experiment to history if allowed to vote on its further existense. It is becoming the evil empire before our eyes.

Ireland never received trillions? Do you know how much a trillion is?

In fact what we have received is a tiny percentage of the value of all fish taken from Irish waters by EU fleets. Spain alone has taken more in this way than our total receipts.

pete

Firespinner wrote:

Fine Gael has withdrawn that figure. On Q&A Mairead McGuinness cut it to 50 million but i doubt its even that.

In fairness, €50million was the figure they were using from the word go:

Currently there are 166,000 migrant workers from EU states working in Ireland. If just 3 out of 10 of those workers has a child under 6 – either with them or in their country of origin – the exposure of the Irish taxpayer for the early childcare supplement would be of the order of €50 million per year. In addition, under EU law, the parents of those children – given the notional number suggested above, would be entitled to claim child benefit payments of approximately €100 million per year. These payments apply to all children up to the age of 18.

http://www.finegael.ie/fine-gael-news.cfm/NewsID/27410/action/detail/level/page/aid/10/year/2006/month/1

billy the squid

Madge wrote:

The point is that peoples hard earned money will be given to migrants so they can sustain their kids WHO AREN'T EVEN IN THIS COUNTRY. Such a fkn disgrace. :mad:
Do you not see anything wrong with that? :rolleyes:

And the Hard earned cash of the French, Germans, and British and every other contributing EU state helped pay for things like Extra Dart Carriages, Motorways and all the crap associated with the National Development Plan even though we are not even living in those countries.

Nobody complained then. Every worker in this country is allowed to claim tax credits for their children, and are allowed to claim child benefit for their children. why should tax paying workers from other EU countries working here not be entitled to the same. It is their tax money too you know.

Hobbes

“Currently there are 166,000 migrant workers from EU states working in Ireland. If just 3 out of 10 of those workers has a child under 6 – either with them or in their country of origin – the exposure of the Irish taxpayer for the early childcare supplement would be of the order of €50 million per year.

Do we have an exact figure rather then 1 in 3 migrant worker which may or may not be correct.

As it stands now you get about 150 euros a month plus the one time 1000.

150x12 = 1800 + 1000 = 2800.
166,000 / 3 = 55333.3 (lets say 55334).

this year: 2,800 x 55,334 = 154,935,200
other years: 99,601,200

So I don't know where they got the 50 million from. Their maths is crap and the 1 in 3 is speculation at best.

Even so, 1,800 - 2,800 a year is a pittance when you factor in how much tax is paid each year.

I would be intrested to know exactly how many migrant workers have children and how many don't pay taxes. That would be more important.

The rest is just scare mongering.

.. The only contention I really see in the report is that Children allowance would be given if the child was not in the country. If the person is paying taxes and have proof they have a child I don't see the problem. I can see how it may be open to abuse but no more then people in Ireland.

fly_agaric

Hobbes wrote:

Even so, 1,800 - 2,800 a year is a pittance when you factor in how much tax is paid each year.

Nice to see that Ireland is so rich now that government cock-ups exposing our welfare system to 10's of millions of Euro of unexpected liabilities (I don't think Bertie et al really intended to be such big-hearted Arthurs) are considered to only cost us "a pittance" which we will easily replace becuase we are raking in the money on taxes at the mo. You should be in government my friend.

Edit: why are you saying the 50million figure is "scaremongering"/crap maths when your estimate is bigger?
Are they subtracting an estimate of tax-take per migrant worker?

GypsumFantastic

valerie wrote:

RTÉ News has learned that the Early Childcare Allowance is to be paid to the children of all workers from EU countries living here, whether or not their children are resident in Ireland.

Quite incredible.

If legislators had to actually earn the taxes that they so freely spend then perhaps they wouldn't be so slapdash in their distribution of the workers' wealth.

ambro25

Well, that's an interesting development.

We never obtained anything for our baby daughter
(i) either from France (my nationality and one of my daughter's), wherein I've paid full-rate income tax for years,
(ii) or the UK, where she was born a couple of months before we moved to Dublin (and where she's supposedly entitled to the "baby starter pack" fund-thing), and wherein I've also paid full-rate income tax for years,
(iii) or Ireland, where I also pay full-rate income tax (and all the others - VAT, duties, road taxes, etc.).

In each case, we've been sent packing - in Ireland not so long back.

Yet in my job I save some Irish investors millions in (fully legit') tax-free royalties every year. That's for colouration, of course - yet it shows that it is pretty much still a one-sided affair. About time for a welcome change.

lostexpectation

GypsumFantastic wrote:

Quite incredible.

If legislators had to actually earn the taxes that they so freely spend then perhaps they wouldn't be so slapdash in their distribution of the workers' wealth.

aren't they redistributing the weatlh that for exmaple these Polish workers are earning and contributing??

Hobbes

fly_agaric wrote:

Edit: why are you saying the 50million figure is "scaremongering"/crap maths when your estimate is bigger?
Are they subtracting an estimate of tax-take per migrant worker?

It is scaremongering because the figures don't add up and are based on a wild estimation. It also doesn't factor in how many migrants pay taxes. Which would probably be most, but a large number can claim back most taxes if not all (although generally it is the companies that do this).

Even so the 2/3 that don't have kids from the report would be paying in taxes towards the 1/3. The tax from actual Irish people would be neglible.

Its just another "TKKK UR JBBSSSS" type report tbh.

bonkey

Madge wrote:

The point is that peoples hard earned money will be given to migrants so they can sustain their kids WHO AREN'T EVEN IN THIS COUNTRY. Such a fkn disgrace. :mad:
Do you not see anything wrong with that? :rolleyes:

Another rant which can be boiled down to "why do we have to pay for those less well off now that we're rich enough not to be the ones getting the handouts any more...rolleyes...mad...foam-at-mouth...rant...rage".

I suppose you'd complain about Irish kids, living in Ireland, receiving welfare from the State whilst their father works abroad too. Y'know...we pay but some other nation gets the tax-benfit of the parent's work.

I don't know....

jc

bonkey

ambro25 wrote:

We never obtained anything for our baby daughter

I would point out that this is distinct from saying "we were never entitled to receive anything".

jc

fly_agaric

billy the squid wrote:

And the Hard earned cash of the French, Germans, and British and every other contributing EU state helped pay for things like Extra Dart Carriages, Motorways and all the crap associated with the National Development Plan even though we are not even living in those countries.

Big difference between money earmarked for helping a poorer country you want to trade with with its infrastructure (useful) and money being wasted on unnecessary and unexpected current spending (useless). If the hit turns out as bad as it could (it may not) it is disgusting and almost as bad as wastage on things like Cullen's voting machines, the Health service IT system etc.

GypsumFantastic

lostexpectation wrote:

aren't they redistributing the weatlh that for exmaple these Polish workers are earning and contributing??

That would be up to these Polish workers to provide. It's not for the State to extend its largesse to foreign nationals who do not even reside in the country.

If a Polish worker wishes to fund a family abroad then that is what his or her personal income should be used. The State's income from taxes should not be used to support families abroad.

The_Minister

pete wrote:

In fairness, €50million was the figure they were using from the word go:

The one that the Fine Gael representative used on the RTE Six One News (eg where they were talking to the public) was €150million. I would take the one that they were throwing about in a public forum over one they stuck on the website

ambro25

bonkey wrote:

I would point out that this is distinct from saying "we were never entitled to receive anything".
jc

True enough - but when the goalposts keep conveniently shifting at every visit to, or contact with, the relevant public sector department (irrespective of the country in question, btw), one wonders whether definitional niceties have any relevance at all - no such definitional niceties or 'shifting goalposts' when it comes to calculating and taking their pound of tax flesh from me, as we're then dealing in absolutes only, aren't we - :mad:

The_Minister

Hobbes wrote:

Do we have an exact figure rather then 1 in 3 migrant worker which may or may not be correct.

.

No-one has the figure. The 1 in 3 is probably far to high when one thinks about it. If you had kids would you leave them in another country? Even those cold-hearted enough to do so would rarely leave kids under 6. It was created to get a nice round figure.


A rational look at the figures makes me wonder if we will hit €10 million. (maybe not even €1 million)

Hobbes

GypsumFantastic wrote:

The State's income from taxes should not be used to support families abroad.

You know if you leave the country after a set time you can actually claim your TAX back. It is a lot more money taken from the country to supporting a child. That would be worse no? No complaints about how Irish companies are doing to this no? For example IIRC the tax my company got back for me being in the US for three years came to around 50k.

So there are similar things going on in regards to migrant workers.

No outrage there though no?

Hobbes

Firespinner wrote:

No-one has the figure. The 1 in 3 is probably far to high when one thinks about it. If you had kids would you leave them in another country? Even those cold-hearted enough to do so would rarely leave kids under 6. It was created to get a nice round figure.

Would depend if the migrant worker left thier family in another country. I can understand why they would do this. For example if I was to get a job in the UK I certainly wouldn't move all my family straight away. It could be some time as you have a large amount of work to do to migrate. Find a home, find a school, etc. Its not just a simple matter of hop on the boat.

bonkey

GypsumFantastic wrote:

It's not for the State to extend its largesse to foreign nationals who do not even reside in the country.

What about nationals who reside in the country but who are dependant on someone living abroad?

As I said...lets imagine that you're a kid living with a non-working parent, whilst your other parent is supporting you by sending earnings home from another country.

Should your government pay anything towards your welfare, despite the fact that you have a parent in employment but who is contributing to another nation's welfare system???

jc

bonkey

Firespinner wrote:

you had kids would you leave them in another country? Even those cold-hearted enough to do so would rarely leave kids under 6.

Anecdotally....I know one persno who's family migrates around Europe with him as he goes from job to job. Of the other few dozen with families, they all have a partner living in one permanent location which they return to as their work and earnings permits.

You call these people cold-hearted because they choose to allow their children to grow up in a single, fixed location and to have stability in their environment, rather than moving them from country to country as the parent goes job to job just to keep the family unit together?

jc

MrPudding

ambro25 wrote:

Well, that's an interesting development.

We never obtained anything for our baby daughter
(i) either from France (my nationality and one of my daughter's), wherein I've paid full-rate income tax for years,
(ii) or the UK, where she was born a couple of months before we moved to Dublin (and where she's supposedly entitled to the "baby starter pack" fund-thing), and wherein I've also paid full-rate income tax for years,
(iii) or Ireland, where I also pay full-rate income tax (and all the others - VAT, duties, road taxes, etc.).

In each case, we've been sent packing - in Ireland not so long back.

Yet in my job I save some Irish investors millions in (fully legit') tax-free royalties every year. That's for colouration, of course - yet it shows that it is pretty much still a one-sided affair. About time for a welcome change.

Have you decided not to claim? We get CB for our two kids. We also get a bourse form the French gov to help with the fees for the French School the kids go to. I would imagine you would be entitled to the same.

There was an economist on the Dumphy show this morning. He said that, according to CSO figures, there are currently 300 migrant workers claiming for children under six that are not living here.

He also pointed out that given the publicity it has just received that number will probably rise considerably over the next few weeks.

MrP

GypsumFantastic

bonkey wrote:

What about nationals who reside in the country but who are dependant on someone living abroad?

As I said...lets imagine that you're a kid living with a non-working parent, whilst your other parent is supporting you by sending earnings home from another country.

Should your government pay anything towards your welfare, despite the fact that you have a parent in employment but who is contributing to another nation's welfare system???

jc

I read your analogy earlier and it's still not relevant. What you're referring to is a child who is a national of the State and is therefore entitled to a certain degree of financial protection of some kind as opposed to the scheme being proposed here where the State becomes financially responsible for nationals in another, completely different, State.

ambro25

MrPudding wrote:

Have you decided not to claim?

No - given the cost of living around these parts, my wife was under strict instructions to lodge a claim (:D ), however modest the amount.

I've always considered the question in equitable terms, instead of nationalistic (which are so very misplaced, once a country becomes part of the EU): since I was and am contributing to the national wealth, I don't see why I should be excluded from its redistribution.

Not to mention the pot/kettle/black affair, as already amply alluded to in the thread, of EU funds that have flowed in since accession and, to a smaller or larger extent, catalyzed the Tiger in its heydeys. That fits in with my consideration of equity as well (considering the 1992 date, for instance, part and parcel of my FR and LUX tax money back in the days have therefore probably funded some infinitesimal portion of the M50 ).

GypsumFantastic

Hobbes wrote:

You know if you leave the country after a set time you can actually claim your TAX back.

The main point here is the responsibilities of the State. I happen to believe they should be as little as possible but will accept that it does have them with respect to residents in that country. What I do not, and cannot, accept is that the State's fiscal responsibilities extend beyond its own borders to the extended family, and families, in other nations.

Personal income should be used to support your own family. If the State is genuinely so concerned about the welfare of foreign nationals then it could seek to relieve some of the tax burden on those workers under the principle that you know best how to spend the money in your own pocket rather than some civil servant. But then this goes against everything meddling States believe in. The State should not presume to know best or presume that it is better placed to financially support your foreign offspring than you.

Hobbes

GypsumFantastic wrote:

What I do not, and cannot, accept is that the State's fiscal responsibilities extend beyond its own borders to the extended family, and families, in other nations.

So if an Irish person who has moved to the UK to a job they should stop all Child benifits?

Bare in mind that this law is being extended to EU people only.

Personal income should be used to support your own family.

You strike me as someone who has no children.

bonkey

GypsumFantastic wrote:

I read your analogy earlier and it's still not relevant.

Yes, it is relevant. Indeed, I can't see how you can fully understand the issue and suggest otherwise.

If a Polish worker here shouldn't be entitled to child benefit, then presumably the child should be entitled to whatever benefits the Polish State offer. The only remaining alternative is to suggest that once a family lives in multiple nations, its entitled to the benefits of none of them, which would be discriminatory.

I'm at a loss as to how you can suggest that one option is undesireable and yet the only non-discriminatory alternative is irrelevant. It suggests that your aim is to maximise the benefits the Irish gain today rather than to seek a fair and durable solution.

Change our status as a nation from immigrant back to emigrant, and all of a sudden your solution will mean we are the ones losing out, as we will be the ones supporting kids while their parents work and pay taxes abroad. And this is irrelevant to you? You don't see this as having anything to do with the problem or the correctness of the solution?

Why do I get the suspicion that (on the assumption you're old enough) had we had this discussion back in the 80s, you'd have been telling us how crazy it was that the Irish government pays child welfare to families where Daddy is off doing an Auf Wiedersehen Pet, and paying the German govt. his taxes, and that the children of emigrants should not be the responsibility of the state.

as opposed to the scheme being proposed here where the State becomes financially responsible for nationals in another, completely different, State.

The solution proposed here is where State becomes financially responsible for those who are legally and financially dependant on someone resident in Ireland, where that resident is paying taxes and/or receiving state-support in Ireland.

Its a logical dependancy chain. Keyword: logical.

jc

pete

Firespinner wrote:

pete wrote:

In fairness, €50million was the figure they were using from the word go:

The one that the Fine Gael representative used on the RTE Six One News (eg where they were talking to the public) was €150million. I would take the one that they were throwing about in a public forum over one they stuck on the website

If it's all the same i'll stick to the "facts" as stated in the actual press release, not figures you think you may or may not have (mis)heard someone (mis)quoting.

bonkey

ambro25 wrote:

I've always considered the question in equitable terms, instead of nationalistic (which are so very misplaced, once a country becomes part of the EU):

This is obviously where people like you and I go wrong - looking for whats fair as opposed to whats most advantageous to me, at this point in time.

jc

MrPudding

bonkey wrote:

This is obviously where people like you and I go wrong - looking for whats fair as opposed to whats most advantageous to me, at this point in time.

jc

Fair does not seem to cut it in Ireland at the moment. It the old "I'm alright Jack."

What amount are we actually talking about here. Lets take what was wasted on E-voting and add to that the amount that has been spent so far on moving Temple Street Hospital to the ground of the Mater hospital which after 6 years of planning now may not go ahead on the basis of a report that consultants have been working on for 4 weeks. Throw in the amount wasted the the HSE's HR system and you have enough to pay for this for a couple of years.

I would rather see the money being spent on a few kids, even if they are not here and even if the parents are taking the piss a bit than consultants billing themselve out a a couple of grand a day simply to justify thier own exsistence or wasted projects that weren't properly thought out.

But then I'm funny like that.

MrP

DublinWriter

valerie wrote:

migrant workers here are to get the childs allowance whether
their children are here or not.
it will cost taxpayers €150 million just to pay a third of them.:mad:

Migrant = EU Citizen
Worker = Taxpayer

Zombrex

GypsumFantastic wrote:

I happen to believe they should be as little as possible but will accept that it does have them with respect to residents in that country. What I do not, and cannot, accept is that the State's fiscal responsibilities extend beyond its own borders to the extended family, and families, in other nations.

That doesn't make sense.

You think that an EU country should not pay for the children of people working in that country, but if they must get child support that another EU country should pay for the children of people not even working in that country?

Or put it another way, why the hell should I pay for my neighbours kids if my neighour is off working in France, spending his money in France, supporting the French economy and paying taxes in France? It would be ridiculous, every econonic contribution he makes is to the French econony yet you think we should be paying his child support?

Zombrex

Far Corfe wrote:

Ireland never received trillions? Do you know how much a trillion is?

It is trillions (€1,000,000,000,000) ... hell the structural fund alone has recieved €17 billion.

DublinWriter

Wicknight wrote:

Or put it another way, why the hell should I pay for my neighbours kids if my neighour is off working in France

Why are my taxes being spent on childrens welfare for people in Meath who work in Dublin!

Why are my taxes being spent on people from the neighbouring town who come to work in mine!

Why are my taxes being spent on people from the next street who come to work in mine!

etc etc etc