Which party do you support / will vote for?

solskjaer20

Sinn Féin myself.

sovtek

I'm not that familiar and I can't vote anyway...but Sinn Fein on alot of local issues...which is all I can vote on.

Dave!

Does anyone know how I go about registering for a vote? I just turned 18 a while ago...!

LordSutch

solskjaer20 wrote:

Sinn Féin myself.

Would you care to tell us Why?

magpie

Londonderry + Che Guevara = Sinn Fein apparently

monkeyfudge

I'll vote as tactically as possible against Fianna Fail, the PDs and Sinn Féin.

constitutionus

voting sinn fein myself, and local independants. not because im particularly republican in view but last time NOT ONE MAINSTREAM CANDIDATE came though my area, and i dont reward cowardice

to be honest the main reason is because i see them as the ONLY functional opposition in the dail (with the possible exception of the greens who dont appeal to me ) fianna geal and labour give off a lot of steam but the only thing that REALLY pisses them off is that theyre not the one's implementing the EXACT same policies as fianna fail and the PDs , i mean honestly can you name anything that ACTUALLY differentiates between them on the EU constitution for example, or the ROSSPORT 5 ? on energy production in this country or action on the BLATANT exploitation of people by unscrupplous employers ?

fianna gael ,labour , fianna fail and the PDS are one big amorphous blob who dont offer any REAL alternative in terms of the future of this country. irregardless of WHICHEVER parties form the next government it'll STILL be business as usual I.E no one will even QUESTION if new permits for oil/gas exploration should be looked at/ changed:mad:

do i think sinn fein will make a huge difference, no. but thats not what i expect. what i WANT is an ACTUAL opposition whos views DIRECTLY oppose what the people in power hold so shock horror we actually get a descent debate in the dail instead of the usual boys own club that we have at the minute

its FAR too cozy in the dail at the moment, so much so most people dont even batt an eyelid when one TD defects to another party. nice to see what people convictions are worth

and to be brutally honest the more independant TDs we get in the dail the better chance we'll actually GET a presidential election next time around instead of the sadam style 100% of the vote we got LAST time around

Nuttzz

Anyone but sinn fein....

As it stands, Fianna Fail. Then Fine Gael.

Then will look at the Independants.

But will not give anything to Labour or Sinn Fein.

Goodshape

magpie wrote:

Londonderry + Che Guevara = Sinn Fein apparently

I think the majority consensus is that the place is called Derry. As it is in the OP's 'Location' field. Why make a point of including 'London' in your own reply?

Think I'd go for Sinn Fein myself, if only for the fact that they'd shake things up and get people thinking a bit. Although I'd have to weigh up the options at the time.

Flex

I wont be voting Fine Gael (since im not a southern Unionist or pro-EU federalist), and probably wouldnt consider voting Labour. So either Fianna Fail or Sinn Fein.

netwhizkid

I won't be voting Fianna Fail, or the PDs (I'd rather shoot myself) I will vote tactically to ensure maximum representation for Labour and Fine Gael, I would vote for Sinn Fein only they don't run in my constituency (Kerry South) I'd give my no. 1 preference to a Socialist Candidate in the absence of one I will vote Labour No.1 . I will saty up all night listening to the results and will be monitoring my blood pressure if FF or the Pds are winning, If they win it will be a one way Ticket to either Havana or Pyongyang.

Nuttzz

netwhizkid wrote:

If they win it will be a one way Ticket to either Havana or Pyongyang.

i'll get the donations going with €50

A Dub in Glasgo

Goodshape wrote:

Why make a point of including 'London' in your own reply?

To antagonise

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Cannot vote but If I could

FF - Nope
FG - Nope
Labour - Nope
SF - Yes
Greens - Maybe
Socialist Party - Maybe
PDs - You gotta be joking!

netwhizkid

Nuttzz wrote:

i'll get the donations going with €50

I intend to have a Broadband connection while out in either of those places, and shall be posting from either Havana or Pyongyang, I will accept donations for my flight there though No seriously, if this current Gov are re-elected people just simply will have to Emigrate out as things will be so bad.

constitutionus

netwhizkid wrote:

I intend to have a Broadband connection while out in either of those places, and shall be posting from either Havana or Pyongyang, I will accept donations for my flight there though No seriously, if this current Gov are re-elected people just simply will have to Emigrate out as things will be so bad.

already happening man, most of the people i know have given up on this country and emmigrated to australia. personally i think the PDs will get decimated at the next election. theyve got WAY too much representation for their electoral market, fact is most people voted for em last time because of macdowels "dont let em get an overall majority" scam.
seeing as FFs own internal review reckon theyll lose 21 seats or more this'll stop that strategy working again so i wouldnt be surprised if they only get 2 seats
in regards to FF while i REALLY dont want it i reckon they'll get in, i just hope some of the smug gits like mary o rourke get a good kicking like last time and if mary lou gets berties seat i'll just fall about laughing
i mean does anyone know what the policy IS if a party leader doesnt get re elected and his parties going to be in government

gurramok

As i am from a deprived area of north Dublin, my vote would goto SF as they give a sh!t, it don't help that no other party gives a sh1t about problems in the area. My vote would be floating, maybe a protest, not hardcore though.

I used to vote for Greens until they went into bed with mainstream parties with ideas of paying way too much taxes to care for environment considering i'm not made of money
Otherwise, FF only care a bit on economy, but the fact i can't afford a mortgage nor rent as a 31yrold person living at home due to mismanagement of housing and the stealth taxes have turned me against them, not enough imho to warrant a vote.

Cronus333

lets see... heres how I see it:

FF: No way in Hell
SF: The moment they get in, Im emmigrating
Greens: smart people, bad policies
FG: Not credible as an alternative
Lab: 1 word: rabbitte. I say no more
Socialists: I won't justify this with a response.
That leaves the PDs....

solskjaer20

ArthurF wrote:

Would you care to tell us Why?

Because I'm a republican and they seem to be the only party who give a **** about reuniting our country.

Also they stand up for people, they care about local issues.
They're not perfect, but if you go into the SF offices here with a problem, most likely outcome is they'll sort it.

Also in the north we can't vote for the likes of FF, FG, etc becasue they only stand in 5/6s of our country. But I wouldn't vote for them anyway.

magpie wrote:

Londonderry + Che Guevara = Sinn Fein apparently

Oh we've a funny man I see.

Goodshape wrote:

I think the majority consensus is that the place is called Derry. As it is in the OP's 'Location' field. Why make a point of including 'London' in your own reply?

What he said.

Freelancer

netwhizkid wrote:

I won't be voting Fianna Fail, or the PDs (I'd rather shoot myself) I will vote tactically to ensure maximum representation for Labour and Fine Gael, I would vote for Sinn Fein only they don't run in my constituency (Kerry South) I'd give my no. 1 preference to a Socialist Candidate in the absence of one I will vote Labour No.1 . I will saty up all night listening to the results and will be monitoring my blood pressure if FF or the Pds are winning, If they win it will be a one way Ticket to either Havana or Pyongyang.

You are old enough to remember Dick Spring losing, and SF winning. The chances of a socialist winning in Kerry, good christ I'd rather bet on snowballs surviving in my mircowave.

Freelancer

solskjaer20 wrote:

Because I'm a republican and they seem to be the only party who give a **** about reuniting our country.

Yeah I'll think you find because of there less than stellar turn out down here, the rest of us don't really want to be stuck with those psychos any time soon.

Also they stand up for people, they care about local issues.
They're not perfect, but if you go into the SF offices here with a problem, most likely outcome is they'll sort it.

Like how they'll proclaim to be an anti bin tax party but vote for it in sligo. Or hospital privatisation in the North, they claimed to be aganist it, and voted for it.

constitutionus

Freelancer wrote:

Like how they'll proclaim to be an anti bin tax party but vote for it in sligo. Or hospital privatisation in the North, they claimed to be aganist it, and voted for it.

so we can look forward to a SF/ PD alliance then

solskjaer20

I said they're not perfect....which party is?

Raskolnikov

Fianna Fáil, best of a bad lot.

netwhizkid

netwhizkid wrote:

I will saty up all night listening to the results and will be monitoring my blood pressure if FF or the Pds are winning.

Why don't you just go to the count at the Gleneagle?

I'll be there, you can point out the Socialist in South Kerry to me...I could do with a massive laugh at the count...

Time Magazine

I'll be voting Sinn Féin. It's gotten too prosperous and safe down here altogether. And woe unto any party who state they'll only affirm reunification if the majority of both parts of the island want it :rolleyes:.

G'wan lads, whip out that Green Paper you always tout. Paisley, who has a strong majority, would love that.


Would ye ever cop on? Since GFA (at least) the best way to create the atmosphere where re-unification is possible is co-operating with the Unionists, and fostering all-Ireland links. Acting the maggot will hold us back, as ye have done since 1921.

The greatest steps to a single unified nation have been made by... Fine Gael. We founded this state with the expressed intention of using the Treaty as a means to freedom. And over the following decade we did just that. Balfour Declaration, Statute of Westminister. Within ten years of the Treaty, the "West Brits" of Fine Gael had paved the way our republican constitution to be passed without any problems.

And how did they do it? By working with the British.

And let's not even get into who declared the existence of the Republic of Ireland.

And that's all before you get to the drug-running, prostitution-racketeering, parliamentary-spying, economially-kamikaze, cultural fascists thugs that the Shinners are.

Fianna Fáil are corrupt, let's vote for a pile of thugs instead!

Vorsprung

Fianna Fail, as said above they're the best of a bad lot. Won't be putting any numbers beside Sinn Fein candidates.

Cronus333

solskjaer20 wrote:

Because I'm a republican and they seem to be the only party who give a **** about reuniting our country.

Would you care to tell us why that would be a good thing?

solskjaer20

Becasue every people on earth have the right to self-determination.

Its a disgrace in the 21st century that anywhereb should not have self-determination.

Its a crime against humanity for a people not to be in charge of their own destiny.

magpie

Becasue every people on earth have the right to self-determination

You've got free, democratic elections up north don't you? Much in the same way we have down here, and we voted to remove the cause in the constitution that lays claim to the 6 counties. Because, to be frank, we can do without the aggravation.

toiletduck

PD's tbh

Nuttzz

netwhizkid wrote:

I intend to have a Broadband connection while out in either of those places, and shall be posting from either Havana or Pyongyang,

LMAO, broadband in Pyongyang.....parts of dublin cant get BB and you expect it in North Korea..... try the recent rte report on the Dear Leaders attitude to the internet... http://www.rte.ie/news/features/northkorea/index.html

netwhizkid wrote:

if this current Gov are re-elected people just simply will have to Emigrate out as things will be so bad.

exactly how? unemployment is at a record low for example, i remember when a college education was your ticket out of the country and unemployment was at 15%, are we going to get a return to those glorious days?

The_Minister

solskjaer20 wrote:

Becasue every people on earth have the right to self-determination.

Its a disgrace in the 21st century that anywhereb should not have self-determination.

Its a crime against humanity for a people not to be in charge of their own destiny.

Fine. Let the people of Northern Ireland vote on it. Oh wait....the majority want to stay with Britain. And about 30% of Catholics want to stay...... oh dear.....Good luck anyway:D

John R

Nuttzz wrote:

LMAO, broadband in Pyongyang.....parts of dublin cant get BB and you expect it in North Korea..... try the recent rte report on the Dear Leaders attitude to the internet... http://www.rte.ie/news/features/northkorea/index.html



exactly how? unemployment is at a record low for example, i remember when a college education was your ticket out of the country and unemployment was at 15%, are we going to get a return to those glorious days?

I also remember that Fianna Fail were in power for the majority of that period as well. Or are we supposed to conveniently forget that legacy of theirs?

The_Minister

I'm for the Progressive Democrats for several reasons:
1. I have astma, and thanks to Mary Harney there is no more smog so I have lived past five.
2. I want a job when I get older.
3. They have the guts to make hard unpopular decisions (Michael McDowell)
4. I support increased contraception, gay civil partnerships etc. (I'm not for gay adoption but no party is perfect)
5.They have alternative common sense policies, although they sometimes let Fianna Fail hold them back (Cafe Bars)
6. I like low taxes.


Now for the other parties:
FF: 2nd best but have too many conflicting interests.
I'm very impressed with Mary Hannafin and Seamus Brennan
FG: They lost any experienced players in 2002.
Like some of their policies but have the same conflicting interests as FF.
Dislike how they made a GP Health nominee - he will have to bargain with GP unions and was probably wined and dined by drug companies as a doctor
SF: Too much blood, Too little regret
Economic morons
Maybe tamed in the future but useless for now
Hypocrits. Want Republicans to be allowed walk away scot free but not unionists.
Socialist: Virulant,...just no
GP: Technological ignorants. Bark on about renewable with no clue of cost.
Actually think tidal has any potential
Nothing policy-wise to recommend them.
Lab: Mean well but far too Politically Correct.
Will have to negotiate with unions, yet recieve much of the parties donations from unions. Do we really want massive, inflation-causing, undeserved wage rises for civil servents?
Think they are liberal but often fall behind PDs on issues. (I'm conservative with liberal sympathies.
Frightened of offending people.
Too often split between what they must do and what they want to do. There is a very idealistic group that damages their realistic plans and a realistic group that temper their idealistic plans.
They too have much corruption. The reason that they oppose GP only medical cards for example.......




The PDs were slandered from day one by -"intellectuals" in the Irish Times so they have a stigma attached to them, but they are a very worthwhile party.

Freelancer

solskjaer20 wrote:

Becasue every people on earth have the right to self-determination.

Its a disgrace in the 21st century that anywhereb should not have self-determination.

Its a crime against humanity for a people not to be in charge of their own destiny.

Yeah they are, the majority of NI want to remain as part of the UK.

Nuttzz

John R wrote:

I also remember that Fianna Fail were in power for the majority of that period as well. Or are we supposed to conveniently forget that legacy of theirs?

keep looking at history that is the way to progress :rolleyes:

this governments record is not perfect but i'd much rather queue on the M50 than queue at the social welfare office....

Cronus333

Freelancer wrote:

Yeah they are, the majority of NI want to remain as part of the UK.

And you would only get a slim majority in favour down South. I think that the combined total would add to rejection myself. I certainly wouldn't want reunification for example.

constitutionus

Firespinner wrote:

I'm for the Progressive Democrats for several reasons:
1. I have astma, and thanks to Mary Harney there is no more smog so I have lived past five.
2. I want a job when I get older.
3. They have the guts to make hard unpopular decisions (Michael McDowell)
4. I support increased contraception, gay civil partnerships etc. (I'm not for gay adoption but no party is perfect)
5.They have alternative common sense policies, although they sometimes let Fianna Fail hold them back (Cafe Bars)
6. I like low taxes.

1.hope you dont have a relapse,or its 8 days on a trolly for you
2. and i look forward to you providing me a service for 7.65 an hour
3. been in a cafe bar latley
4.and WHERE are the kids who support your pension ment to come from
5.in otherwords there all talk and will back down from the vested interests
6. i like low PRICES , not stealth taxes

its amazing how naive people are

constitutionus

If I remember right, yuo said Sinn Fein...

constitutionus wrote:

1.hope you dont have a relapse,or its 8 days on a trolly for you

Under Sinn Fein everyone will be perfectly healthy and treated the very second they become ill.

constitutionus wrote:

2. and i look forward to you providing me a service for 7.65 an hour

Under Sinn Fein it will be a million euros a week and houses will be made from the finest chocolate.

constitutionus wrote:

3. been in a cafe bar latley

Under Sinn Fein there will be no need for cafe bars. The rivers are full of milk and honey coffee and alcohol.

constitutionus wrote:

4.and WHERE are the kids who support your pension ment to come from

Under Sinn Fein, everyone will have a minimum of 15 children.

constitutionus wrote:

5.in otherwords there all talk and will back down from the vested interests

Unlike Sinn Fein, who actually carry out stuff like Garda killing, bank robberies, murder etc. etc. because talk is cheap.

constitutionus wrote:

6. i like low PRICES , not stealth taxes

Under Sinn Fein, there will be neither taxes nor prices.

constitutionus wrote:

its amazing how naive people are

I completely agree...

constitutionus

Deleted User wrote:

If I remember right, yuo said Sinn Fein...



Under Sinn Fein everyone will be perfectly healthy and treated the very second they become ill.



Under Sinn Fein it will be a million euros a week and houses will be made from the finest chocolate.



Under Sinn Fein there will be no need for cafe bars. The rivers are full of milk and honey coffee and alcohol.



Under Sinn Fein, everyone will have a minimum of 15 children.



Unlike Sinn Fein, who actually carry out stuff like Garda killing, bank robberies, murder etc. etc. because talk is cheap.



Under Sinn Fein, there will be neither taxes nor prices.



I completely agree...

and exactly WHERE did i say i wanted em running the country if you READ my post youll see i want em in as a credible OPPOSITION.

Youve STILL not said im wrong though. if your not in a vested interest your gonna be on the minimum wage, and if the services directorate gets in in its present form you wont be safe there either.
think im wrong, there are SOLICITORS working in this country as waitress's because they make more money here doing that work.
IMAGINE what'll happen if theyre allowed to practice law here at that rate:) hope your not studing law:D

Diorraing

Fianna Fáil - The only party I would trust the country/economy with.
Fine Gael - I'm very sceptical about their links with reform movement:
http://www.reform.org
They'd probably destroy Irish culture as well as rejoining the
commonwealth.Apart from thatthey don't really have any
interesting policies: except banning hoodies.
Labour - Not a credible left-wing option. Rabbitte is an ineffectual
leader. I don't see how they'd push their policies in a
government lead by the upper middle-class Fine Gaelers
Sinn Féin - We'd have no economy by the time these guys are finished
with us! I don't see how they'll get us a United Ireland any
faster than FF. At least they can't be called West Brits
PDs - Michael McDowell, minister for justice believes people are guilty
until proven innocent. Need I say any more
The Rest - No point!

netwhizkid

Firespinner wrote:

I'm for the Progressive Democrats for several reasons:
1. I have asthma, and thanks to Mary Harney there is no more smog so I have lived past five.
2. I want a job when I get older.
3. They have the guts to make hard unpopular decisions (Michael McDowell)
4. I support increased contraception, gay civil partnerships etc. (I'm not for gay adoption but no party is perfect)
5.They have alternative common sense policies, although they sometimes let Fianna Fail hold them back (Cafe Bars)
6. I like low taxes.

1.
I too have asthma and thanks to the Fine Gael/Labour Coalition Government of the early nineties, I too was able to make it past 5yrs of age. My family were able to get cheaper Inhalers etc. for me Political pressure had to applied to get me jumped up the queue to see a specialist, otherwise I'd surely be feeding the snails. Fianna Fail argued I was not ill enough.

2.

I am now 18 and have still been unsuccessful at getting a job, the majority of places I have tried have told me that they are full or that they no longer accept Irish workers because the Eastern European and Asian work ethic is far better. I can't remember none of the outsiders here growing up with John Bruton as Taoiseach.

3.

Yes they have made the decisions going against what the people want. If this isn't pigheadness what is? Oh yeah Michael McDowell is about as in tune with modern Ireland as a nazi storm trooper. I also reckon he is related to the Paisley Family or else a undercover agent for the DUP, have you ever heard his attitude to the re-unification of Ireland, Even after the IRA disarm he is still ranting on.

4.

I too support Contraception, but would go to any lengths to stop Gay Marriage or Civil Partnerships, Gay adoption? Daddy & Daddy or Mummy & Mummy? Even the brightest of Children would be confused, and would no doubt grow up with a feeling of loss and sadness in their lives. It is unnatural to have same-sex parents and don't even mention the Religious and Moral ground.

5.

I like common sense; this is something the Progressive Democrats lack completely. On their website they have a page saying how the CIE group should be broken up and free competition allowed. How in the name of god could that work, Privatisation and Competition is always going to work against the consumer. CIE is doing a great job and should be preserved exactly as they are. However this would not worry the PDs as Brown envelopes no doubt would be involved.

6.

I like low taxes too! However I love getting value for money and this I for certain don’t with those taxes! Perhaps you should take a trip down to your local A&E sometime or drive on a non-national road. Then you will see what our tax euros are achieving……. About as much as I’d achieve trying to do them myself on a budget of €100, the motto is I’d prefer slightly higher taxes for decent public services. Major Profitable Private Enterprises could be Nationalised for far less than they are worth with some crafty legislation, then use their profits to drive the public service forward. Why should all that lovely money go to lining some foreign investors pockets??

That is common sense, that is government and that is why you or anyone else should not vote for the Progressive Democrats or Fianna Fail. In soccer there is a phrase “ABU Anyone but United” I’d say “ABTCG Anyone but this current government” A vote for this government is a vote for Failure, Corruption and Privatisation.

Nuff said IMO.

LordSutch

I will be voting, and this is my opinion of how the parties stand:-

FF = Bertie is doing a good job & we are highly regarded Worldwide, the North is warming to him also.
PD's = proping up FF nicely, Mc Dowell is very Strong, not sure about Harney though.
FG = Still building ideas "re-grouping" Enda kenny nice man, leadership material not sure?
LB = Pat Rabbite is growing on me, he seems to be getting stronger with good working class policies.
GR = Green's, good in places, not much going on really, might make up part of a New coalition?
Sf = I can only pray that they never get into power/ I dislike them with a passion for obvious reasons.

Realistically it looks like FF + PD will do it again because of the Very Strong economy, and unless something awful happens (Bertie caught with rent Boy) then its the third term for the current coalition and we will continue to flourish.

FG + LB Interseting, if it got off the ground.
FG + PD Might be a serious alternative to the current set up.
SF + anybody else (forget it)! nobody will go near them "thank God".

Time Magazine

Diorraing wrote:

Fine Gael - I'm very sceptical about their links with reform movement.

The links don't exist. There's some Reform gimps who joined the party, particularly in Dublin, but they're very weak and frowned upon. That's it, really.

They'd probably destroy Irish culture as well as rejoining the commonwealth.

Ah here. Destory Irish culture? How?! And with regard the commonwealth; we essentially left it, why would we join it again? The only person I've ever seriously talk about re-joining the commonwealth is de Valera's ministerial grandson. We're the pro-EU party. That's our union.

Apart from thatthey don't really have any interesting policies: except banning hoodies.

Hehe, that you might have us one .

I'm picking the turd sandwich. I don't approve of giant douche's views on immigration.

Diorraing

Angry Banana wrote:

The links don't exist. There's some Reform gimps who joined the party, particularly in Dublin, but they're very weak and frowned upon. That's it, really.

I presume John Bruton, who is affiliated with the reform movement is one of these "gimps". I don't trust them - this idea of making Irish optional but nothing else sounds like it came out of the reform headquaters because I know for a fact that there are many Fine Gael supporters who are very unhappy about it.

Kilsally

solskjaer20 wrote:

Becasue every people on earth have the right to self-determination.

Its a disgrace in the 21st century that anywhereb should not have self-determination.

Its a crime against humanity for a people not to be in charge of their own destiny.

I think therefore if there were a referendum on Irish unity "up North" tomorrow you would be sorely disappointed. A mere look at the makeup of the NI Assembly should affirm the fact that self-determination is quite evident.

A question. Do Sinn Fein voters consider themselves communists? The leader of Sinn Fein - The Workers Party is a communist, various splinter groups such as IRSP, RSF promulgate Marxist ideology as does ordinary sinn Fein who are members of the communist block in th EU parliament and not the socialist block.

Flex

solskjaer20 wrote:

Becasue every people on earth have the right to self-determination.

Its a disgrace in the 21st century that anywhereb should not have self-determination.

Its a crime against humanity for a people not to be in charge of their own destiny.

Youre a nationalist, so youre needs are secondary

constitutionus

Kilsally wrote:

I think therefore if there were a referendum on Irish unity "up North" tomorrow you would be sorely disappointed. A mere look at the makeup of the NI Assembly should affirm the fact that self-determination is quite evident.

A question. Do Sinn Fein voters consider themselves communists? The leader of Sinn Fein - The Workers Party is a communist, various splinter groups such as IRSP, RSF promulgate Marxist ideology as does ordinary sinn Fein who are members of the communist block in th EU parliament and not the socialist block.

and berties a socialist

Diorraing

Kilsally wrote:

I think therefore if there were a referendum on Irish unity "up North" tomorrow you would be sorely disappointed. A mere look at the makeup of the NI Assembly should affirm the fact that self-determination is quite evident.

If you accept a gerrymandered border - This in itself was a human rights violation as it made sure that only unionists would be in power in that provence for the forseeable future. Why didn't they take the whole of Ulster - would have been economically more viable.
Anyway, I don't want to drift off topic. FF-Labour are my bet for the next gov. PDs won't have enough seats and FF will lose some. FG-Labour won't have enough seats and Labour won't go into government with the PDs if they have an ounce of left wing blood in them. Pat Rabbitte may be vociferous in his opposition to FF but after the next election he'll change or his party will change him.