Bret's finest hour?

Mr.Nice Guy

When Bret took out Goldberg with the steel plate on his chest. Was that his greatest ever moment? I think it might have been. It was certainly the coolest thing he's ever done. See it here:

http://www.youtube.com/w/bret-hart-quits-and-takes-out-goldberg?v=G75BCnd0vMY&search=goldberg

gm1984

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demanufactured

that was stupid

Mr.Nice Guy

demanufactured wrote:

that was stupid

Are you for real?

arbeitsscheuer

Yeah, that was pretty dumb, in fairness...

demanufactured

yeah im for real
i watched that when it happened on nitro

bret sucked in wcw

Mr.Nice Guy

demanufactured wrote:

yeah im for real
i watched that when it happened on nitro

bret sucked in wcw

He may have been misused in WCW but that was one of the hottest angles he was ever involved with and after it was done, almost everyone tried to take credit for it.

It was a genius idea. Bret says Kevin Nash came up with it.

Fozzy

I wouldn't say it was his finest moment, great at the time though

Charlie

It was executed very well not like some of the spots on raw these days. Even the promo he cut was better than you see these days. I'd rather be watching the Nitro of back then, than the Raw of today.

D-FENS

Although it was funny and a good heel moment for Bret, I wouldn’t even have this is my top ten of greatest Bret moments.
Great matches With HBK, Bulldog and of course Owen spring to mind
And his first IC Title win against Perfect, or his first Mania Main Event WWF title victory at WM10, not a great match but just to see him still holding the title at the end of the night was great to see.
Or when the Foundation finally one the tag belts back, at the third attempt at Summerslam.
Or even Bret's first time turning face, smashing Bad News Brown's Battle Royal trophy at WM 4.
But my favorite is probably his match with Austin at WM 13.
Possibly my two favorite guys of all time going at it, a decent match technically , and a perfect ending with Bret getting his hand raised but Austin saving face big time by passing out rather than give up, I’d never seen that before I don't think.

Stalfos

D-FENS wrote:

But my favorite is probably his match with Austin at WM 13.
Possibly my two favorite guys of all time going at it, a decent match technically , and a perfect ending with Bret getting his hand raised but Austin saving face big time by passing out rather than give up, I’d never seen that before I don't think.

That would also make my top ten Bret Hart Moments. More so cause of Austin breaking the glass but also cause Bret did such a great job of turning Austin face and starting himself as a heel at the same time.

D-FENS

Stalfos wrote:

That would also make my top ten Bret Hart Moments. More so cause of Austin breaking the glass but also cause Bret did such a great job of turning Austin face and starting himself as a heel at the same time.

The chemistry between them really made the match, and their whole feud, work. The on-screen hatred the two generated was very believable and I personally think it matched that of the rivalry the two had with their respective, all time arch enemies, HBK in Bret's case and The Rock/Mr. McMahon in Austin's. Stone Cold's promos in particular, at the start of their feud just before Bret's return at Survivor Series' 96 were what first made me sit up and take notice of how good he was at delivering his character's persona. And up until then, I don't think anyone, possibly not even Shawn, got up Hart's nose as much as he did (On screen anyway).

Mr.Nice Guy

When I said I thought this was Bret's greatest 'moment' I probably should have said his greatest 'spot'.

For me, his greatest ever moment was after his match with the British Bulldog in Wembley '92 when he lost the IC title but yet he stood in the ring celebrating with Bulldog and his sister Diana.

That match had a great storyline.

D-FENS

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

When I said I thought this was Bret's greatest 'moment' I probably should have said his greatest 'spot'.

I'd say his greatest ever "spot" was punching Vince backstage after Monteal, just a pity it was'nt filmed...

killeoin

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

He may have been misused in WCW but that was one of the hottest angles he was ever involved with and after it was done, almost everyone tried to take credit for it.

It was a genius idea. Bret says Kevin Nash came up with it.

Well if you watched his shoot interview on the wrestling channel he seemed to suggest he came up with it. Where did you get your facts from?

Mr.Nice Guy

killeoin wrote:

Well if you watched his shoot interview on the wrestling channel he seemed to suggest he came up with it. Where did you get your facts from?

Um, on the shoot interview he says Kevin Nash came up with the idea and he gives him credit for it. He says that Nash suggested Bret do it because Bret could wear a hockey jersey which would cover the plate.

Hear it is right here:

http://www.youtube.com/w/Shoot-Interview-with-Bret-Hart?v=YaydXq2cLFs&search=bret%20hart%20shoot%20interview

Where do you get your facts from?

killeoin

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

Um, on the shoot interview he says Kevin Nash came up with the idea and he gives him credit for it. He says that Nash suggested Bret do it because Bret could wear a hockey jersey which would cover the plate.

Hear it is right here:

http://www.youtube.com/w/Shoot-Interview-with-Bret-Hart?v=YaydXq2cLFs&search=bret%20hart%20shoot%20interview

Where do you get your facts from?

Are we watching different interviews?????
He clearly states he came up with it!

Mr.Nice Guy

killeoin wrote:

Are we watching different interviews?????
He clearly states he came up with it!

Are you taking the piss? He clearly states it was Nash who came up with the idea. FFS.:rolleyes:

Dragan

Yo! Relax guys, tell me where you both think it is in the interview, i'll watch it and decide.

No way i am watching that whole thing, even for the Hitman's honour.

killeoin

Well to be honest I wouldn't be able to tell exactly where it is in it!

Mr.Nice Guy

It's early in the interview after the first commerical break. He acknowledges it was Nash's idea and says he gives him 'some credit for that'.

killeoin

That is so stupid because he said that it was his idea and that he was planning it with a month or two but Goldburg was a bit dodge on it!

Fozzy

Bret has said before that it was his idea though. From Gerweck.net:

Bret relieved to me that the angle where Goldberg speared Bret, but Hart was wearing a metal plate was his idea, and that it nearly got nixed before it aired. In fact he told me, "they (WCW) did everything possible to not allow that to air." Bret told me that the idea was changed to Hogan running in after the failed spear, and high "fiving" Hart. Bischoff would only change it back to the original scenario if Hogan approved it, which fortunately he did. (Another prime example of Hogan's full creative control).

And just something I read which kinda sums the situation up: "Despite everyone trying to kill it beforehand, EVERYONE took credit for that angle AFTER it went on and was successful."

Mr.Nice Guy

In the video, if you watch it, Bret states that it was originally Kevin Nash's idea. He says he ran it by Goldberg who was fine with it and then Bischoff who liked the idea. Then Bret says that problems came up because someone got to Goldberg and said that it would hurt his character if he did it. Also, Bischoff ran a new idea by Bret where Hogan would come down and get involved in the issue and Bret thought it was a dumb idea as Hogan wouldn't be part of the feud anyway.

Watch the clip after the first commercial as it explains the incident in detail. It's right after the bit about Owen Hart and is when Bret is talking about how WCW compared to WWF/E.

merlinsmerryman

Never saw it before and have to say I thought it was a pretty good promo...Pardon my ignorance but did Bret actually leave after this?

Charlie

Here's my two cents. While Bret may have been the one to suggest the angle, it's not exactly original. Its a similar copy of what clint eastwood did in film. He wore a metal plate under his clothes when he was participating in a shoot off, he gets shot and everyone is real suprised that he dosen't collapse, he drops his poncho to reveal a metal plate protecting his chest. In back to the future III marty pays tribute to this and does the same thicg as eastwood.

p.s on the issue of everyone trying to claim the angle after it was a success, the backstage moral and atmosphere stunk in wcw from around that time till its death. Few wrestlers respected eachother and there was just a whole load of money grabbing egos floating about.

Dragan

Fozzy wrote:

Bret has said before that it was his idea though. From Gerweck.net:

call me picky , but i am not believing any article that says "Bret relieved to me...."

Fozzy

Haha, yeah, I know. The guy's done some decent interviews though, and has a nice enough site

Fozzy

Just caught the end of Bret on Sky Sports News there. Promoting his DVD. I've held off on getting it yet, cos I want the region 2 one so I can play it on all the dvd players here! You'd think he'd brush his hair or somethin though! Still, he's the one with the hot Italian wife, not me

killeoin

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

It's early in the interview after the first commerical break. He acknowledges it was Nash's idea and says he gives him 'some credit for that'.

Gess I was right wankstain.

Mr.Nice Guy

killeoin wrote:

Gess I was right wankstain.

You weren't right and you know it. By the way it's 'Guess'.

Johnmb

In the review for the RF interview, on:
http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/video_reviews/32880/The-SmarK-Retro-Repost---RF-Video-Shoot-Interview-With-Bret-Hart.htm
near the bottom, it says:
"The Goldberg story: He pitched the idea for the spear and the steel plate in Toronto and everyone loved it. Bret was going to get on a big winning streak to lead up to him challenging Goldberg and they were going to do a big six-month program so Bret could teach Goldberg how to work. However, plans changed daily and Bret was jobbed out in the weeks leading up to the show. Then, two hours before the show, Eric came to Bret and asked him to turn heel on the Toronto crowd. Bret refused for obvious reasons, so Jericho got that “honor”. Then Eric wanted to switch the angle to Hogan coming out and shaking Bret’s hand, only to turn on him. Eric said that Hogan would have to veto the angle personally in order to kill it, so Bret went to him and got Hogan’s “permission” to do the angle he originally pitched weeks before, without Hogan."

Mr.Nice Guy

Johnmb wrote:

In the review for the RF interview, on:
http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/video_reviews/32880/The-SmarK-Retro-Repost---RF-Video-Shoot-Interview-With-Bret-Hart.htm
near the bottom, it says:
"The Goldberg story: He pitched the idea for the spear and the steel plate in Toronto and everyone loved it. Bret was going to get on a big winning streak to lead up to him challenging Goldberg and they were going to do a big six-month program so Bret could teach Goldberg how to work. However, plans changed daily and Bret was jobbed out in the weeks leading up to the show. Then, two hours before the show, Eric came to Bret and asked him to turn heel on the Toronto crowd. Bret refused for obvious reasons, so Jericho got that “honor”. Then Eric wanted to switch the angle to Hogan coming out and shaking Bret’s hand, only to turn on him. Eric said that Hogan would have to veto the angle personally in order to kill it, so Bret went to him and got Hogan’s “permission” to do the angle he originally pitched weeks before, without Hogan."

It didn't mention that Bret got the idea from Nash which Bret actually says on the clip.

Johnmb

He says he came up with it, but that he got the idea from Kevin Nash. He doesn't say how exactly Kevin Nash gave him the idea. So I guess you were both right.

killeoin

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

You weren't right and you know it. By the way it's 'Guess'.

I was too!
And gess is perfectly ok to use on the internet!

Mr.Nice Guy

Johnmb wrote:

He says he came up with it, but that he got the idea from Kevin Nash.

If he got the idea from Kevin Nash then he didn't come up with it. Nash did. See what I mean?

killeoin wrote:

I was too!

You weren't.

killeoin

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

If he got the idea from Kevin Nash then he didn't come up with it. Nash did. See what I mean?

No, he came up with it.

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

You weren't.

I was.

Mr.Nice Guy

killeoin summed up

killeoin

You're not all that nice Mr. Nice Guy.

Devon

:eek:

killeoin wrote:

Gess I was right wankstain.

Dragan

I thought this page was supposed to have mod????

If there's one out there, just for my money, Killeoin should be banned.

Mr.Nice Guy

Dragan wrote:

I thought this page was supposed to have mod????

If there's one out there, just for my money, Killeoin should be banned.

Apparently all kinds of comments are acceptable here.

Porn could probably be posted on this forum and no one would do anything.

It's like the Mod Phantom Zone...

Johnmb

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

If he got the idea from Kevin Nash then he didn't come up with it. Nash did. See what I mean?

That's not actually true. He doesn't say how Nash gave him the idea. The guy who invented cats eyes for the road probably got the idea from his pet cat, it was still his idea, not his cats. From the tiny mention given on the interview, it is impossible to say which one of you is correct, because Bret didn't go into any detail about how the idea came to him, just that he got it from Nash. That doesn't mean that Nash walked up to him and told him about the idea.

Mr.Nice Guy

Johnmb wrote:

That's not actually true. He doesn't say how Nash gave him the idea. The guy who invented cats eyes for the road probably got the idea from his pet cat, it was still his idea, not his cats. From the tiny mention given on the interview, it is impossible to say which one of you is correct, because Bret didn't go into any detail about how the idea came to him, just that he got it from Nash. That doesn't mean that Nash walked up to him and told him about the idea.

I'm sorry but that's a totally flawed analogy. Kevin Nash is not a cat he's a human being! He has a brain and he thought up the idea!

Bret explicitly states on the video, "It was actually Kevin Nash's idea so I give him credit for that".

What more do you want? It's clear-cut and not up for debate.

Your analogy is flawed as you basically assume that the cat eye inventor came up with the idea through looking at his cat. However Bret got the idea having been told it by Kevin Nash. Thus it was originally Nash's idea.

Do you see what I mean?

Johnmb

Bret does not say "it was Kevin Nash's idea", he says he came up with the idea, and that he got it from Kevin Nash. For all you know, he could have seen Rey Mysterio run into Kevin Nash, who was sneaking a nice tray out of the canteen under his shirt, and that gave Bret the idea. It could also have been something Nash said he'd like to see happen to Edge, and Bret came up with the idea of using it in his feud with Goldberg. There is no way of knowing from the RF interview, as Bret doesn't go into any details. You are assuming that he was told it by Kevin Nash, but Bret doesn't say that, he just says that he got the idea from Kevin Nash, having just said that he came up with the idea himself. Given the clearly unscripted nature of the interview, unless someone actually goes and asks him for exact details it is impossible to say who came up with the specific idea first. Chances are, like most ideas, it was probably 50-50. Either way, it is a daft argument for the two of you to be having, given the ambiguous nature of what was said (the point Bret was making was the stupid booking decisions that lead on from it, not who came up with the idea).

D-FENS

Jesus Lads, this isn’t who had the idea for Wrestlemania you're arguing over,
granted it was a good/funny angle, but not even Bret or Nash would care enough to bicker on this much. Any chance of drawing a line under this thread?

Dragan

Not likely,we don't appear to have a mod at the moment!!!!

Mr.Nice Guy

Johnmb wrote:

Bret does not say "it was Kevin Nash's idea", he says he came up with the idea, and that he got it from Kevin Nash.

In other words, HE GOT THE F*CKING IDEA FROM KEVIN NASH. WHICH IS WHAT I SAID.

Johnmb wrote:

For all you know, he could have seen Rey Mysterio run into Kevin Nash, who was sneaking a nice tray out of the canteen under his shirt, and that gave Bret the idea.

Can you not comprehend the English language? He said he got the idea from Kevin Nash and said "I give him credit for that".

Johnmb wrote:

There is no way of knowing from the RF interview, as Bret doesn't go into any details. You are assuming that he was told it by Kevin Nash, but Bret doesn't say that, he just says that he got the idea from Kevin Nash, having just said that he came up with the idea himself.

Are you for real man? HE SAYS HE GOT THE IDEA FROM KEVIN NASH AND THAT HE GIVES HIM CREDIT FOR IT. THEREFORE IT WAS NASH'S IDEA.

It's not rocket science.

Watch the damn video for f*ck's sake.

I can't believe I have to debate this point when the video which is linked reveals what I'm saying to be true.

Unbelievable.

D-FENS wrote:

Any chance of drawing a line under this thread?

To be honest I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall on this thread. I have linked the video and anyone who watches it will see what I have said is the truth. I can't do any more than that.

Johnmb

Okay, this is the first time I've gotten into anything with Mr Nice Guy, but now I see where Killeon is coming from with some of his comments. You know, highlighting half a sentence in order to pretend that the other half isn't there doesn't really work. Bret also clearly says the he came up with the idea himself. It's not the point of what he was discussing, so he doesn't go into any details. He contradicts himself, and moves on because it was irrelevant to his point. You are in no position to claim to know which contradictory statement of Brets is the correct one. Given how irrelevant it is to the point he was actually trying to make, I would seriously doubt he ever clarified it anywhere else, and I'd doubt anybody else would be stupid enough to ask him such an irrelevant question if they got a chance.

killeoin2

killeoin wrote:

Gess I was right wankstain.

Thats ridiculous. I got banned for that, What on earth is wrong with some people here?? Mr. Nice Guy said a lot worse and he's still posting!

Mr.Nice Guy

Johnmb wrote:

Okay, this is the first time I've gotten into anything with Mr Nice Guy, but now I see where Killeon is coming from with some of his comments. You know, highlighting half a sentence in order to pretend that the other half isn't there doesn't really work. Bret also clearly says the he came up with the idea himself. It's not the point of what he was discussing, so he doesn't go into any details. He contradicts himself, and moves on because it was irrelevant to his point. You are in no position to claim to know which contradictory statement of Brets is the correct one. Given how irrelevant it is to the point he was actually trying to make, I would seriously doubt he ever clarified it anywhere else, and I'd doubt anybody else would be stupid enough to ask him such an irrelevant question if they got a chance.

Bret said and I quote:

It was Kevin Nash's idea so I give him credit for that.

Maybe instead of inventing scenarios how Bret might have actually come up with the idea instead of Nash, you might actually, oh I dunno, LISTEN TO WHAT BRET IS SAYING?

Hey, maybe Kevin Nash used his psychic powers to implant the idea in Bret's head? Is that what Bret was referring to in the video do you think?

Give over.