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RTE News Revamp
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13-01-2006 11:03PM#1
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It'll definitely be this year fegsmoke, just a question of when.
95% sure it'll be September as it nearly always is - a slightly earlier change is conceivable around May but highly unlikely. RTÉ like the dead summer period to prepare.
They're limited in what they can do for a new look in terms of space and set. The small Studio 3 that they use upstairs right next to the Newsroom has been in use since time began, and this is unlikely to change. No major restructurings will happen so unless quite literally a news centre is built, which is a possibility in the future if some sort of 24 hour news service is launched, even if in a limited form.
So this time anyway we'll get new titles, new astons (titles bars), new graphics packages for reports, new set, possibly slight tweaks to presenting 'techniques' i.e. stupid distracting gimmicks as per BBC Six like stand-up acts etc, and new closing titles, as well as a different directorial style like perhaps a tracking wide of the studio at the start, maybe slight zooms like the BBC, maybe a sting between the Presentation introduction and the headline sequence etc etc - things as viewers people just don't think about but all come together to form a particular 'look'.
The main thing though this time to to do away with that monstrous set - it has proved exceptionally difficult to light given the bright colours, and maintain, particularly the floor which is always manky filthy with scuff marks. Similarly those cream walls are wallpapered and the joints are becoming ever-more evident, there's heat dmage in places, and even dirty finger marks you can see behind the sports presenter on Six One :rolleyes:
Similarly there's the odd punch mark in the blue cyclorama that surrounds the set, very notable over near the monitor when guests are interviewed.
The design of the desk is appalling, lacking the slightest element of finesse, modernity or style, whilst the set 'units' are very crude, both in themselves and where they join the floor:
The lighting can prove incredibly harsh at the best of times, but especially on that cream set, with the hard lines casting shadows everywhere (sure look at that box flood blasting down on top of the monitor unit :rolleyes:).
And when guests are interviewd to the left there, they cast shadows on the set behind them they're that squeezed in! I mean that's just appalling for a professional broadcaster.
Major changes are needed, a darker look will look so much better. Natural dark timbers this time, quality joinery and metalwork, carpets carpets carpets - for goodness sake do away with those ghastly harsh shiny floors RTÉ are still in love with since 1994.
Raise the desk up if possible on a nice deep green carpeted dais with timber surround and underlit step. Nice quality wall and set treatment. Integrated light features perhaps. Distinctive overall look for wide shots.
And other features like lights up at the start and down at the end - a complication most broadcasters have done away with I know, but it's a nice distinctive option and would really make RTÉ stand out from shoddy TV3 in particular.
And for goodness sake keep the picture windows! If there's one place that RTÉ must make a stand, and deliberately avoid the BBC route it is the retention of picture windows beside presenters - an absolute must that is sorely missed by most presentation fans in the UK. Widescreen is no excuse - it's more than possible for them to be retained.
A ton of RTÉ News pres info (ranting) available on this thread here - 25 pages long at this stage!
http://www.tvforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15258&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=00 -
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I think it works reasonably well, if a bit half-hearted alright. On the very rare occasion it is used alongside the presenter instead of a picture window, but retaining the picture window caption. Looks okay if used for a brief story.
Agreed about the astons fegsmoke - utterly hideous in every respect. Worst of all though is that they are not standard! For a standard Minister or whoever their name will be displayed in the upper bar, and their title in the blue - fair enough. However if average Joe Soap appears, then the blue bar is done away with and just the white is used! And worse again if an anonymous person or homeless person perhaps is featured, nothing but 'Ann' or 'John' or whatever appears in a little white cube at the bottom of your screen!!!! I mean it just beggars belief!!
Astons must always be of a standard size regardless of what text is featured on them, and generally feature the news service's ident too.
Also, as above, the way the aston only begins a couple of inches into the screen is horribly crass and ill-proportioned - just flaoting about as it does. Similarly the lack of any sort of animation or movemnt in the aston, nor any innovative method deployed in bringing it on screen save a predicable dissolve is equally mundane.
And don't get me started on the astons of late night bulletins coming from the Single Operator Control Studio/Gallery! :eek:
The feckin bars don't even allign! The blue used in the DOG isn't even that of standard RTÉ News! The text on the astons often just rolls off the bars because it won't fit on! The font used isn't that of RTÉ News either, not to mention just looks feckin awful!
The output from the SOCR is simply hideous - look at this for prouction values:
A faded, jaded computer generated backgound.
A black shimmering line at the bottom of the ascreen that has nothing to do with aspect ratios.
And woeful picture quality.
Usually lighting is a million times worse than this too, sound poor, and the presenter sitting off-centre as was the case with John Finnerty a few nights ago - he was sitting over to the left! The director couldn't even be bother to tell him to move over a bit more!
There are so many problems with the presentation of RTÉ News it'd drive you insane to factor them all in. Presentration-wise TV3 is far superior to RTÉ - their design may be horribly crass too but their production values are second to none. One of the few areas in which TV3 have really shown RTÉ up.0 -
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Telefí wrote: »This?
I think it works reasonably well, if a bit half-hearted alright. On the very rare occasion it is used alongside the presenter instead of a picture window, but retaining the picture window caption. Looks okay if used for a brief story.
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My TV perhaps overscans a bit (28" 4:3 set), when it does WS (which it does by reducing height drive, not letterboxing) the picture is nearly the same height as on a 28" WS TV, so it must overscan a bit.
IMO it looks bad on your excellet screen shot and hideous on my TV.
What is it supposed to do apart from distract the eye?0 -
Well it has to be considered within the broader context of the titles package:
Aside from being used the very rare time in place of a picture window, the green line only features in the headlines package, in 'still to come' links, and 'tonight's sport headlines' links - all used in the context of a bed of music being played under, and directly before or after titles - so they do integrate rather well I think.
And it looks rather good with full picture window too I think:
...though admittedly it did jarr a bit the first time I saw it.
What I don't get is the use of orange in the set - it seems like it's just been thrown in for a dash of colour. Whereas we've all since got used to it, objectively it doesn't work at all in the 'blue n green' scheme they've got going.0 -
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Ulsterman 1690 wrote:
Do any of ye actually pay any heed to the news itself ???
Not a chance! Thats like asking someone with multisat do they actually watch TV!
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There is a Croation language although some maintain its just a dialect of Serbo-Croat while others maintain Serbo-Croat itself doesnt exist but is a (politically motivated) invention
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LOL I rarely have time to watch TVNot a chance! Thats like asking someone with multisat do they actually watch TV!
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Ulsterman 1690 wrote: Do any of ye actually pay any heed to the news itself ???
With such an appaling layout that's a VERY difficult thing to do0 -
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superdudeman007 we don't know that Red Bee is handling the News relaunch, and it's pretty likely that it isn't them - more than likely an in-house job, with some comissioned outside help. Interesting about Greystones though...
Agreed about the general trashyness of newswalls and walkabout sequences, but again remember all we know is that RTÉ have put a 13m x 1.5m LED video screen out to tender. This can mean absolutely anything. All we do know is that they match the dimensions of Studio 3 very well: eg 5m rear wall x 4m side wall x 4m side wall, as a rough example. Given they are LEDs and not projector cubes like the BBC use, the wall may only be used as a decorative illuminated backdrop - no idea frankly. But let's not jump the gun here about newscaster standing or flashy news sequences!
As for strikable sets for news superdudeman007, it's a complete no no. 1) because the news facility must be ready 24-7 (that includes gallery preperation and bulletin rehersal), 2) it'd cost a fortune to be striking such a regular set so often, and 3) it'd look hideously cheap and lacking in solidity were it to be 'dismantleable'. News facilities are also exquistely tailored (yes even RTÉ's!) for lighting, camera and audio - impossible to replicate on a strikable set. It also needs to be adjoining the newsroom proper, hardwearing and generally practical - the precise opposite of the standard television set really! So all in all, utterly, madly, incomprehensively impractical!
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