Drugs in Dublin

boo2u

There is so much publicity about drugs in dublin these days with reports that pub owners are putting baby oil on cisterns in toilets to stop people snorting cocaine is dublin that bad???

jay-me

In short yes....

BigArnie

The drugs in Dublin are crap anyway. I don't know why anyone bothers.

boo2u

what are people using is it just hash/weed or what

boo2u

boo2u wrote:

There is so much publicity about drugs in dublin these days with reports that pub owners are putting baby oil on cisterns in toilets to stop people snorting cocaine is dublin that bad???

Heard this recently, hilarious

Mikros

Hash/weed/coke/heroin/lsd/speed/ecstasy…and many more I can’t be bothered writing out. Dublin is a city with around a million people in it, yeah there are some who take drugs, and there are plenty others who don’t. So as far as I’m concerned its like pretty much any other city I’ve been in. The media might lead you to believe everyone out in Dublin is hoovering up cocaine, and while it certainly has become more popular/available, in reality I’d argue most people don’t. Everyone has a choice, if you don’t like it, you can easily avoid it.

I don’t really know what your looking to hear. Drugs are bad

jay-me

BigArnie wrote:

The drugs in Dublin are crap anyway. I don't know why anyone bothers.

Don't

slipss

jay-me wrote:

Don't know what you have been getting but i reckon they must be of decent quality to have so much popularity

as for the drugs in dublin being crap, it all depends who your getting them off
pure (i.e the best their is) cocaine, mdma, heroin, lsd ect are all readily available if you know the right people.

so says the man who wants a legal highs forum.would it be of financial benefit to you for there to be a legal highs forum?;)

slipss

Deleted User wrote:

so says the man who wants a legal highs forum.would it be of financial benefit to you for there to be a legal highs forum?;)

Lmao

SpAcEd OuT

During 2004/2005 we had the highest number of ecstasy users and joint highest number of cocaine users in the EU with 3.4% of our population having tried ecstasy at least once. by EU standards drug use is high in Ireland thus its only natrual that there are a lot of drugs/drug users in the the countrys capital city.

to the poster who said drugs are crap in Dublin it all depends on who you know as said by an other poster is it quite easy to get pure or near pure products if you know the right people, I have heard for instance that MDMA crystals are rampant in Dublin right now and recently people have come across some amazing weed (AK47)

rick_fantastic

its true regarding the weed. plenty of it floating around...

getting pure coke now on the other hand is not easy to come by considering most of it is stamped on before it even gets to ireland and is then stamped on again before being sold to general public...

saying that there has been some high grade peruvian coke going around but its really expensive (2grand an ounce) + i can say it its much much better than any other stuff ive tried in this country

SpAcEd OuT

rick_fantastic wrote:

getting pure coke now on the other hand is not easy to come by considering most of it is stamped on before it even gets to ireland and is then stamped on again before being sold to general public...

saying that there has been some high grade peruvian coke going around but its really expensive (2grand an ounce) + i can say it its much much better than any other stuff ive tried in this country

Getting pure coke is indeed a myth it is mixed before it even leaves where it was produced the best you can hope for is 90-95% pure but unless your some sort of drug lord thats impossible to get your hands on.

Oh and and unless you know the person importing the cocaine into the country you dont know whether its peruvian or not.

slipss

its true the coke here gets a good mixing in spain, and probably before, some deos get through untouched though and there are certain people that spend the time converting the mixed stuff back to pure HCI cocaine for sale to thier more important customers. Ehh i feel a ban coming on so i don't think i'll say anything else along these lines

rick_fantastic

yeah that would be the case

Wertz

Before this thread is locked, I have to add that some bar proprietors in the town I live near are spraying the cistern tops (or equivalent) with some type of spray...not only does this f*ck over the powder you just spent your hard earned on but it also makes your nose start to bleed when you snort your stuff and you are kindly escorted from the premises by the more than friendly door staff :v:

BTW whoever's talking about MDMA crystal in Dublin needs to watch themselves since there is a lot of crystal meth being pawned off under the guise of beoing the other (much more expensive) substance...and as much time as I have for getting high, I've seen what way that stuff leaves people whilst living in the US. Nasty nasty drug...

rick_fantastic

yeah baby oil, wd40, vaseline...

thats what the corner of a card is for!

SpAcEd OuT

Wertz wrote:

BTW whoever's talking about MDMA crystal in Dublin needs to watch themselves since there is a lot of crystal meth being pawned off under the guise of beoing the other (much more expensive) substance...and as much time as I have for getting high, I've seen what way that stuff leaves people whilst living in the US. Nasty nasty drug...

Thats a shame I didnt know meth was avaliable in this country horrible, horrible drug, though I have no doubt the crystals are indeed MDMA crystals as i've heard people have no trouble sleeping after, something which is near impossible on meth for at least 24hours!

SpAcEd OuT

slipss wrote:

its true the coke here gets a good mixing in spain, and probably before, some deos get through untouched though and there are certain people that spend the time converting the mixed stuff back to pure HCI cocaine for sale to thier more important customers. Ehh i feel a ban coming on so i don't think i'll say anything else along these lines

I hear you, I should of elaborated of course you can do your own cleaning process I meant the average punter is never going to get a gram of coke over 80% for the price of a gram of coke unless they are importing the stuff.

is hci cocaine crack?

Executive Steve

no, hci cocaine is not crack - it's the pharmaceutically pure cocaine hydrochloride.



the reason there's so much coke around is the fact that since the euro came in the profit margins on ecstasy plummeted - since nobody wanted to charge 12.70 for a pill and have to deal in change etc. it dropped almost overnight by about 20%

at the same time its punished just as harshly as cocaine whereas the same volume and weight of cocaine is waaay more lucrative....

no sense doing 10 years for 20.000 pills you'll make 15.000 on if you're lucky when you can make ten times that with coke.

unfortunately people get high off their own supply, and heavy coke use makes you paranoid and aggressive - next thing you know you're sitting in your safe house in clondalkin convinced everyone is out to rip you off so you go and take them out before they can... horrible drug...

there's bugger all ecstasy in dublin compared to five years ago, and there's lots of cheap relatively good quality coke. as a result club culture has gone and completely died [the smoking ban just finished it off] - nowadays you go to a nightclub and its full of smal bunches of people eyeing each other and bitching about each others haircuts.

cocaine is for losers.

amazingemmet

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is hci cocaine crack?

No hcl is the acidic form of coke which is used for injecting as its water soluble, cracki is the free base form which isn't water souble and evaporates at alower temperature hence how it can be smoked

connundrum

In fairness it is rediculous to walk into a 'local' pub's toilets only to see 4 or 5 young lads taking turns at making best use of the cistern. I used to get majorly pissed off with them any throw em all out, but about a month before I stopped working on the doors I just gave up completely.
What I found was I went into bathroom, threw 4 guys out, 2 minutes later one of em rings the pub manager and a further 1 1/2 minutes later they're back in the pub. Who wins?!

Each to their own etc but I don't indulge in it, and I actually do hate to see the above situation happening. And it is getting worse around the city, especially for coke. They'll have to come up with designated coke areas out the back of pubs & clubs :rolleyes:

mise_me_fein_V2

Anyone here ever take Heroin?

I've heard it's better than sex.

HMM!any ideas how to set up my own "cartel"?;)

meditraitor

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

Getting pure coke is indeed a myth it is mixed before it even leaves where it was produced the best you can hope for is 90-95% pure but unless your some sort of drug lord thats impossible to get your hands on.

Oh and and unless you know the person importing the cocaine into the country you dont know whether its peruvian or not.

The best the dealers can get is about 50-60% , usual grade for joe soap is about18-30% and rightly so, coke will fuck you up if you get complacent.

mise_me_fein_V2

mise_me_fein_V2 wrote:

Anyone here ever take Heroin?

I've heard it's better than sex.

Your joking right ?!?!

I have to agree with the above statements about coke
all my mates/relations/aquaintences do it and i have been offered it hundreds of times
and i've never once been tempted to do it and i never would becuase i've the way people act when on it and its pathetic

mise_me_fein_V2

mise_me_fein_V2 wrote:

Anyone here ever take Heroin?

I've heard it's better than sex.

I bet you are from Dundalk.:rolleyes:

amazingemmet

mise_me_fein_V2 wrote:

Anyone here ever take Heroin?

I've heard it's better than sex.

A friend of mine has done it and she said it was like 25 orgasms at once. Would touch the stuff me self though unless i was a rockstar then i'd be cool but your only a junkie if your not rich and do it (ref: pete doherty)

jay-me

Can't believe this thread is open still...lol:D

I thought heroin put you to sleep, made you relax.

Lady_Macbeth

mise_me_fein_V2 wrote:

Anyone here ever take Heroin?

I've heard it's better than sex.

amazingemmet wrote:

A friend of mine has done it and she said it was like 25 orgasms at once

eh..'scuse me for being a bit of a spoilsport, perhaps, but surely heroin abuse (and yes, it is abuse) should not be discussed in a favourable light on a public forum such as this...? I don't care what anyone says, if someone personally decides to do a certain drug, then they can as far as i'm concerned, but really, telling the "benefits" of taking a drug as lethal as heroin is outrageous. Drugs are dangerous, harmful and potentially fatal and the 'feel-good' factor of taking them should not be advertised like this.

- Lady

Rollo Tamasi

I'd agree with CM Tranny that coke is ruining irish night clubs. It's becoming really sleazy and boring with clubbers on coke instead of pills, the buzz is gone completely. Bring back the mitsubishi and roles royces, now thats old school baby!

Coke is the biggest heap of ****e ever. I'd prefer to spend money on jack daniels tbh, i'd get a better bang for my buck anyway.

amazingemmet

Lady_Macbeth wrote:

eh..'scuse me for being a bit of a spoilsport, perhaps, but surely heroin abuse (and yes, it is abuse) should not be discussed in a favourable light on a public forum such as this...? I don't care what anyone says, if someone personally decides to do a certain drug, then they can as far as i'm concerned, but really, telling the "benefits" of taking a drug as lethal as heroin is outrageous. Drugs are dangerous, harmful and potentially fatal and the 'feel-good' factor of taking them should not be advertised like this.

- Lady

Someone asked me a question and i answered it in an objective manner i don't condone heroine use. Heroine isn't particularly leathal a lot of prescription drugs have lower ld50s then heroine. Its my personal belief that knowledge shouldn't be supressed no matter what that is. Sorry for having a different point of view then you but thats just life

BlueSpiral

In the homeless shelters they don't give the homeless any metal spoons, as alot of the people end up on the streets due to drugs and are still addicted.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote:

is hci cocaine crack?

Its hcl.

And no its not.

I shold have known that.Ido science.

steveland?

amazingemmet wrote:

Someone asked me a question and i answered it in an objective manner i don't condone heroine use. Heroine isn't particularly leathal a lot of prescription drugs have lower ld50s then heroine. Its my personal belief that knowledge shouldn't be supressed no matter what that is. Sorry for having a different point of view then you but thats just life

Yeh but perscription drugs are regulated and you're certain it's going to be pure and (in the correct doses and assuming you're not going to have some allergic reaction) non-lethal.

A perscription drug also won't be available forever... you have your course on the medication and that's it (hopefully... depending on what medical condition you have)

I don't see the point of comparing the qualities of heroin and perscription drugs unless you mean perscription drugs you get illegally...

[cm]tyranny

[cm]tyranny wrote:

no, hci cocaine is not crack - it's the pharmaceutically pure cocaine hydrochloride.



the reason there's so much coke around is the fact that since the euro came in the profit margins on ecstasy plummeted - since nobody wanted to charge 12.70 for a pill and have to deal in change etc. it dropped almost overnight by about 20%

Yokes were hitting €3 a pill about a year ago.
But you are wrong about the reason noone does them anymore.
The first few times is "wow these are the best thing ever" they slowly get not as good and the hangover gets longer and worse. Tollerence increases quickly also. There comes a time when even the most seasoned pill popper decideds its not worth it.


Ive seen E really mess with peoples heads.

amazingemmet

Yeh but perscription drugs are regulated and you're certain it's going to be pure and (in the correct doses and assuming you're not going to have some allergic reaction) non-lethal.

In theory your right but a conserviative estimate by the dept of health stated that 25% of prescription drugs are counterfits (as in not made by the companies that claim made them) kinda scary really.

Riesen_Meal

as a result club culture has gone and completely died [the smoking ban just finished it off] - nowadays you go to a nightclub and its full of smal bunches of people eyeing each other and bitching about each others haircuts.

cocaine is for losers.

Club M doesnt count man.......

Club culture will always be alive and kicking, now its just gone back underground, best place for it!

LegacyUser

slipss wrote:

as for the drugs in dublin being crap, it all depends who your getting them off
pure (i.e the best their is) cocaine, mdma, heroin, lsd ect are all readily available if you know the right people.

The RIGHT people for some are the WRONG people for others.

Drug dealers, in my opinion, are the WRONG people to know.

Perhaps it is this attitude that has aided the rising acceptance of substance abuse.

slipss

mise_me_fein_V2 wrote:

Anyone here ever take Heroin?

I've heard it's better than sex.

People are always saying that, it's nothing like sex the first few times you take it, its a completely different sensation. But once your addicted the relief/satisfaction you feel after talking it is similar to an orgasm.

Just to add my opinion, no one should ever try heroin. Its the most cruel and distructive drug thats ever landed on our shores. I'd say nearly a third of the junkies I knew weren't the "northsider, inner city, nothing to live for anyways so I might aswell be a junkie cause I don't give a ****" stereotype that some people have. They did well in school, had jobs and decided to try it just once, and then after they know how it feels try it again because last time they didn't get addicted, then next time something bad happens to them and they get depressed or pissed off, it seems easy to just smoke a bit of smack and know that once you to all your troubles will disapear....and you all know how its going to end.

But I'm sure everyone has heard these kind of stories hundreds of times and in the end are going to to whatever you want to do anyways.

CiaranC

The RIGHT people for some are the WRONG people for others.

Drug dealers, in my opinion, are the WRONG people to know.

Except maybe if you want to buy drugs. I think these friendly public servants are the most underappreciated demographic in our society today.

slipss

and while on this topic click here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054872984

amazingemmet

CiaranC wrote:

Except maybe if you want to buy drugs. I think these friendly public servants are the most underappreciated demographic in our society today.

Here here

SpAcEd OuT

Lady_Macbeth wrote:

eh..'scuse me for being a bit of a spoilsport, perhaps, but surely heroin abuse (and yes, it is abuse) should not be discussed in a favourable light on a public forum such as this...? I don't care what anyone says, if someone personally decides to do a certain drug, then they can as far as i'm concerned, but really, telling the "benefits" of taking a drug as lethal as heroin is outrageous. Drugs are dangerous, harmful and potentially fatal and the 'feel-good' factor of taking them should not be advertised like this.

- Lady

So i'm sure you also believe that people on this site shouldnt be advertising the feel-good factor of alcohol as well? after all alcohol is harmful and potentially fatal, it was judged to be the most harmful recreational drug known to man, more lethal and potentially fatal than this 'demon drug' heroin that you speak of.

Start with the allegation that heroin damages the minds and bodies of those who use it, and consider the biggest study of opiate use ever conducted, on 861 patients at Philadelphia General hospital in the 20s. It concluded that they suffered no physical harm of any kind. Their weight, skin condition and dental health were all unaffected. "There is no evidence of change in the circulatory, hepatic, renal or endocrine functions. When it is considered that some of these subjects had been addicted for at least five years, some of them for as long as 20 years, these negative observations are highly significant."

Check with Martindale, the standard medical reference book, which records that heroin is used for the control of severe pain in children and adults, including the frail, the elderly and women in labour. It is even injected into premature babies who are recovering from operations. Martindale records no sign of these patients being damaged or morally degraded or becoming criminally deviant or simply insane. It records instead that, so far as harm is concerned, there can be problems with nausea and constipation.

Or go back to the history of "therapeutic addicts" who became addicted to morphine after operations and who were given a clean supply for as long as their addiction lasted. Enid Bagnold, for example, who wrote the delightful children's novel, National Velvet, was what our politicians now would call "a junkie", who was prescribed morphine after a hip operation and then spent 12 years injecting up to 350mg a day. Enid never - as far as history records - mugged a single person or lost her "herd instinct", but died quietly in bed at the age of 91. Opiate addiction was once so common among soldiers in Europe and the United States who had undergone battlefield surgery that it was known as "the soldiers' disease". They spent years on a legal supply of the drug - and it did them no damage.

We cannot find any medical research from any source which will support the international governmental contention that heroin harms the body or mind of its users. Nor can we find any trace of our government or the American government or any other ever presenting or referring to any credible version of any such research. On the contrary, all of the available research agrees that, so far as harm is concerned, heroin is likely to cause some nausea and possibly severe constipation and that is all. In the words of a 1965 New York study by Dr Richard Brotman: "Medical knowledge has long since laid to rest the myth that opiates observably harm the body." Peanut butter, cream and sugar, for example, are all far more likely to damage the health of their users.

Now, move on to the allegation that heroin kills its users. The evidence is clear: you can fatally overdose on heroin. But the evidence is equally clear, that - contrary to the claims of politicians - it is not particularly easy to do so. Opiates tend to suppress breathing, and doctors who prescribe them for pain relief take advantage of this to help patients with lung problems. But the surprising truth is that, in order to use opiates to suppress breathing to the point of death, you have to exceed the normal dose to an extreme degree. Heroin is unusually safe, because - contrary to what those US congressmen were told in 1924 - the gap between a therapeutic dose and a fatal dose is unusually wide.
Listen, for example, to Dr Teresa Tate, who has prescribed heroin and morphine for 25 years, first as a cancer doctor and now as medical adviser to Marie Curie Cancer Care. We asked her to compare heroin with paracetamol, legally available without prescription. She told us: "I think that most doctors would tell you that paracetamol is actually quite a dangerous drug when used in overdose; it has a fixed upper limit for its total dose in 24 hours and if you exceed that, perhaps doubling it, you can certainly put yourself at great risk of liver failure and of death, whereas with diamorphine (thats heroin folks), should you double the dose that you normally were taking, I think the consequence would be to be sleepy for a while and quite possibly not much more than that and certainly no permanent damage as a result." Contrary to the loudly expressed view of so many politicians, this specialist of 25 years' experience told us that when heroin is properly used by doctors, it is "a very safe drug".
Until the American prohibitionists closed him down in the 20s, Dr Willis Butler ran a famous clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana, for old soldiers and others who had become addicted to morphine after operations. Among his patients, he included four doctors, two church ministers, two retired judges, an attorney, an architect, a newspaper editor, a musician from the symphony orchestra, a printer, two glass blowers and the mother of the commissioner of police. None of them showed any ill effect from the years which they spent on Dr Butler's morphine. None of them died as a result of his prescriptions. And, as Dr Butler later recalled: "I never found one we could give an overdose to, even if we had wanted to. I saw one man take 12 grains intravenously at one time. He stood up and said: 'There, that's just fine,' and went on about his business."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,2763,506559,00.html

if you can get good quality heroin its actually quite safe despite what propaghanda has been drilled into our heads by the govt. the problem is the average heroin on the street, is harmful for you.

s8n

Are you on drugs ?????

Where did that post come from ???

Cake Fiend

Lady_Macbeth wrote:

really, telling the "benefits" of taking a drug as lethal as heroin is outrageous. Drugs are dangerous, harmful and potentially fatal and the 'feel-good' factor of taking them should not be advertised like this.

Yep, let's pretend drugs don't make you feel good. The only reason people take drugs is because they're criminals in the first place!

Then we'll all sing happy happy songs about kittens.

And then you can come and play with my unicorn on the moon!*




*quote nicked from someone or other

Wertz

SpacedOut wrote:

if you can get good quality heroin its actually quite safe despite what propaghanda has been drilled into our heads by the govt. the problem is the average heroin on the street, is harmful for you.

The problem is the heroin on the street is illegal, is not regulated in any way, is of varying purities depending on the source/supplier/general availability and costs so damn much due to all of the above factors.
Some cases of overdose happen when a glut of smack comes onto the streets after a "drought"...some addicts used to getting stuff that's cut to f*ck, may OD on the higher purity simply for the fact that their tolerance is low...but in most cases death due to heroin is likely to be in conjunction with alcohol consumption or a simple case of the user choking on their own vomit.
Heroin cut with furniture polish and god knows what else, poisons the blood and can cause clots and all kinds of other complications for the injecting addict.
The ironic thing is, that a dealer will make more profit from selling low purity smack because addicts need a lot more of it to keep them on the level.
But the marketplace will move to fill that gap and someone will always offer better stuff or lower the price (assuming there's enough to go around)

While legalising may be a huge step to take, it would cut the danger to heroin addicts immensely, and would pull the rug out from beneath criminal suppliers (the real bastards here lest we forget)...but it seems that it's just easier to demonise the addicts and keep trying to stem the flow of supply; but we already have a methadone system (albeit a very poor one) in place...the leap from supplying meth to supplying hospital heroin isn't really that huge a leap is it?

alantc

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

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Yeah, poor people are the problem.