Inappropriate Laughter in Movies

ixoy

OK, I went to see "Brokeback Mountain" last night (22:00 showing in Cinéworld). It was to a packed screen, so there was a fair few people there.

Those who have seen the movie know that it's a thoughtful enough piece, fairly slow moving but one to dwell over. Those who saw it with me, however, seemed to think that many of the serious moments were comedy. Now if the directing or acting had been of poor quality, I might have understood but they clearly weren't. It was particularly evident in one scene where at least half the cinema seemed in paroxysms of laughter when it was definetely a scene displaying hurt/anguish of a character.

Now I had a quick look on IMDB and it seems to be a problem that has plagued this movie - and this one scene in particular - at showings everywhere, both here and in the US. There's a lot of debate raging and some people are writing off the laughter as emotional release whereas others, and I'm on this side of things, are putting it down to emotional immaturity dealing with the subject matter onhand. It seems the audiences have been trained to laugh at certain stock situations from sitcoms and automatically react that way when it's on screen despite the harrowing effect it has on characters.

Certainly when the audience laugh aloud they're utterly destroying the ability of the rest of us to enjoy the mood of the movie, especially one like this that demands a more respectful tone (as it is quite an emotional one). Regardless of whether you like the movie or not, do people not realize what sort of emotion or story is being conveyed to them? Do they laugh because others are laughing? Does it annoy any other users when the emotional aspect and atmosphere is being mangled by their braying? My experience of this movie was utterly ruined by the braying of some of my fellow movie goers and I've only today gone from absolutely livid to pissed off at the whole experience.

xha1r

take a deep breath and calm down...

whiskeyman

If fellow movie go-ers get on your noodle so much, wait for the films to go on DVD or splash out and buy every seat for yourself... I've rented out a lot of movies I saw at the cinema because some of the times the sound/crowd was woeful.
Actually, try going to The Screen or the IFC instead.... usually a better and more mature crowd there who are less interesting in making noise (opening bags of sweets... phones... popcorn munching etc...).
Can't stand going to the bigger commercial cinemas. Sometimes the atmosphere is like a pub with everyone chatting!

kc66

I haven't seen it so dont know the particular scene you mentioned. But if half the audiences around the world are laughing at it, it must be in some way funny. Let people enjoy movies the way they want to enjoy them- not the way you want people to enjoy them. I love movies but dont look for a deeper meaning in them so I would probably laugh at it too.

shuushh

sounds like some people might be embarrased at particular scenes in the film and laughter is an easy defence mechanism

Karoma

Each person is entitled to react and take from a film whatever they want (Even if they are wrong). It does not matter what you think or how you feel they should react. If it bothers you, take the above advice (Wait and watch it on DVD, or go to another cinema in the hopes of a smaller, more mature crowd).

Vokes

ixoy wrote:

and this one scene in particular

What happens in the scene?

TerrorFirmer

Well if everyone seems to be laughing, then surely it's a scene warrenting a few laughs at least.

It's hard to really understand without knowing what the scene is about, and if more people are laughing then not, then it doesn't exactly sound like a clear cut case of "They're wrong"

leeroybrown

I havn't seen the move but if some people are picking up on a humourous element at these points then obviously it's there, whether by design or accident.

rubadub

ixoy wrote:

Those who saw it with me, however, seemed to think that many of the serious moments were comedy.

they could well be saying "many thought the comedy bits were meant to be serious"

what is the scene?

daiixi

ixoy wrote:

Certainly when the audience laugh aloud they're utterly destroying the ability of the rest of us to enjoy the mood of the movie, especially one like this that demands a more respectful tone (as it is quite an emotional one).

I don't understand how anyone can claim that any part of a movie is an inappropriate time to laugh? Just because it is an emotional part of the movie for you does not mean that it is an emotional part of the movie for me!

I remember a friend and I went to see "Doing Time for Patsy Cline" many years ago (it was the only film starting anytime near to the time we were at the theatre) and we were laughing at completely different parts of the movie to the rest of the theatre. We got a few weird looks when we were laughing but to be honest, when the rest of the theatre laughed, we had no idea what they were finding funny!!

Surely everyone who watches a movie interprets and appreciates the movie in their own personal way. If you don't like audience reaction to a film, perhaps you should wait until the movie has been out for ages and see it in an empty theatre or just wait for the movie to come out on DVD?

ixoy

I've been to many screenings in Cinéworld/UGC - literally hundreds. I've never encountered anything like this before. And judging by threads I've read elsewhere, it seems more particular to this film perhaps than anything else - I do wonder if it is te subject matter rather than anything else given it's somewhat unusual for a more mainstream movie.

kc66 wrote:

But if half the audiences around the world are laughing at it, it must be in some way funny. Let people enjoy movies the way they want to enjoy them- not the way you want people to enjoy them.

I find it difficult to conceive of how this scene, in particular, is humorous. It's someone dealing with a very painful realization and witness their life shattering. Laughing is almost sadistic.
Regardless, the laughter - outwardly expressed - obviously impinges on those with a different emotional state, much the way mobiles ringing do. It's nigh on impossible to tune them out. If it was a comedy of course it'd be fine, but in this case. It'd be like laughing at the various suicides in "Downfall" almost.

I'd go to a different cinema but for the following reasons:
1) It's easily the closest to me
2) I've never really encountered this as a problem before until this movie
3 (most pointedly) ) I've got a year's free cinema there.

However, the next time a drama comes along that I'd like to invest some time/emotion in, I think I might wait for the DVD or forgo a more mainstream cinema.

Davei141

Well if people are laughing at so called serious moments, thats the directors fault.

ixoy

FWIW, the particular scene is:

When Heath's character's wife discovers her husband kissing another man. Her face is clearly devestated as she realises her marriage is a sham. I'd understand some laughter as they embrace, because it's a joyous occasion, but the laughter came only when the sort of heavy pain was being portrayed.

It completely baffles me when I'd normally at least see the humour inherent in certain situations. The fact that it's actually caused a fair few similar reactions (via IMDB), which I've never seen for another movie, makes me really wonder in this case whether it was the audience reacting to the rather more abnormal situation or something else. This wasn't the only example, but the most clearcut one.

Vokes

Then it sounds like the people were uncomfortable with the above mentioned scene, and were using humour to deal with it.

I can see how you'd be annoyed.

Cactus Col

Haven't seen the film, but maybe people were laughing at the soap opera style timing.

I agree, I hate it when I'm at a film I'm trying to enjoy, and it's ruined by people laughing or taking the piss, it can completly ruin the film for me, and is one of the reasons why I'm careful about when and where I go to films (and who I go with).

Zulu

That sounds like it could be funny enough. I'd have propably laughed.

Perhaps half of the aduience have a sence of humour?
...or perhaps you're taking it all a little too serious because it's a topic thats a little closer to you than the other half of the audience?

Bottom line is: if it's funny, people will laugh. There's nothing you can do about it except upset yourself, and whats the point of that?

Hagar

No offence but maybe homosexuals and heterosexuals would have a totally different view of the same scene.

MadsL

I remember seeing Schindlers List in Prague when it came out with a Canadian friend. Towards the end of the film it came to line "You have been liberated by the Red Army"...he laughed so hard I thought we'd get thrown out. Not so much the fact that he was loud, but I could feel a couple of hundred eyes burning into the back his head who had experienced 40 years of Red Army "liberation".

radiospan

Hagar wrote:

No offence but maybe homosexuals and heterosexuals would have a totally different view of the same scene.

I agree with Hagar. I haven't seen the film, but after reading your spoiler, it sounds that the general audience were uncomfortable with the scene.

Do you think they would have been laughing if

the husband had been kissing another woman

?

segadreamcast

Graham Norton just said that he had quite a few laughs at it too ixoy... so I'd question your thesis. Unless Graham Norton is suddenly uncomfortable about his sexuality...

ixoy

NoelRock wrote:

Graham Norton just said that he had quite a few laughs at it too ixoy... so I'd question your thesis. Unless Graham Norton is suddenly uncomfortable about his sexuality...

Was he referring to that part though? There are laughs in the movie, never thought otherwise, it's just that certain parts mystified me as to why people were laughing. Whether it's being uncomfortable at that scene or maybe it was too reminescent of soap operas, I don't know but am damn curious about it. As I said, haven't seen its likes before.

Whereas today, when people laughed at "Running Scared" I could see it because it was somewhat farcical (believe me, there's a world of a difference in the execution of those two movies).

simu

A lot of people have really dumb attitudes towards homosexuality tbh - they might not be openly homophobic but they still tend to think of homosexuals as freaks rather than normal people with normal emotions or their way of dealing with the idea is laughing about it - maybe this is why they laughed?

I haven't seen BB Mountain yet (hope I'm in with a better audience) but I have noticed that people will laugh at the most unfunny things, everyday when they're on the big screen. Is it that people have some expectation that films are supposed to be funny, ingrained into them from childhood I wonder? It's odd and annoying and happens a lot in Arthouse cinemas too.

yawnstretch

Something similar happened to me once. I was watching Meet Joe Black in UCI

and Brad Pitt's character is killed

. The entire audience laughed while I sat there shocked (It was a pretty gruesome moment imo).

I've not seen Brokeback Mountain but (and this comment could cause some issues) I don't want to because of the subject matter. What annoys me is how many people take offence when I don't want to go see it with them - as if I have to go see it to prove Im not a homophobe or something.

My guess would be that plenty of girls brought their boyfriends with them to this movie when it just wasn't their kind of movie.

Zulu

yawnstretch wrote:

Something similar happened to me once.

I was watching Meet Joe Black in UCI and Brad Pitt's character is killed

. The entire audience laughed while I sat there shocked (It was a pretty gruesome moment imo).

The very first time I saw that, I burst out laughing. It was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Agreed it was gruesome - but did you not feel it was way ott? Getting knocked down (normally), wouldn't have been funny, but the fact he was bounced off two cars was ridiculous; farcical, and that's why it was funny.

My guess would be that plenty of girls brought their boyfriends with them to this movie when it just wasn't their kind of movie.

Now this could be a VERY good point. If someone just wasn't interested, they may find things funny that an absorbed person wouldn't. (Similar to shock-horror: watching the violence may be funny or scary depending)

nadir

yawnstretch wrote:

Something similar happened to me once.

I was watching Meet Joe Black in UCI and Brad Pitt's character is killed.

The entire audience laughed while I sat there shocked (It was a pretty gruesome moment imo).

Thanks for ruining 'Meet Joe Black' on me.

I found myself in a similar situation when watching the Exorcist. I was pissing my self laughing after about 50 Mins's nad couldnt stop, however, I seemed to be to only person laughing in the cinema

nadir, it happens at the beginning =D

I don't know, the scene sounds like it might possibly be funny especially if the acting is in any way lacking. I'm not really bothered to go see it though, so I doubt I'll find out.
I remember when I was watching crouching tiger when it came out in cinema, the audience was laughing at lots of it I didn't find funny at all...

yawnstretch

Sorry Nadir - I've put up a temporary warning because I don't know how to do proper spoiler text.

Anyone?

Bueller?

Karl Hungus

yawnstretch wrote:

Sorry Nadir - I've put up a temporary warning because I don't know how to do proper spoiler text.

Anyone?

Bueller?

Sorted. Click to edit again to see how it's done.

yawnstretch

Cheers - might want to edit their quotes of me though too.

delly

After reading the spolier, there is no way that i could react with laughter to such a scene, speaking as a married man.

The thoughts of realising that your relationship with your partner is over as well as a sham, would fill me with horror. Maybe the people who are laughing can't think of the same thing happening in there lives? i.e. they would see such an act as been so far removed from there live and family, to the point where its a big laugh.

TerrorFirmer

It doesn't sound like it warrants laughing. I can imagine it's one filled with nothing but pain and anguish; BUT, if this is a world wide problem, then the director failed to complete the scene as he fully intended it to be. I've seen plenty of films with moments like the above and believe me, a laugh would be the last thing from my mouth.

I'm guessing the style of the scene is just poorly done as to make it look like a comical soap walk-in-at-the-wrong-time moment, as someone suggested, rather then being as actual outrageous comedy moment, it really just sounds like poor direction in this particular scene.

I'd have to see it to really try and understand though, and I really don't intend on seeing this film either now or in the future.

Interesting though.

Davei141

Davei141 wrote:

Well if people are laughing at so called serious moments, thats the directors fault.

Remember when John Gregory had to sell Dwight Yorke to Man Utd - when dwight said he wanted to go Gregory says "if i had a gun, i would have shot him" thats how i feel about the above quote

Now im probably goin to exaggerate a bit here because this topic has riled me for years and almost stopped me going to the cinema and just watching flicks at home.

Example1: Saw - fighting in the film, scene where the long top bit of a toilet is smashed over a guys had, in no way comedy, but most of the cinema (Dunlaoghaire) laughing out loud, most scenes of horror accompanied by laughter.

How can you feel the intensity of a horror film, when idiots throughout the cinema laugh at every possible opportunity - mostly because they think they should be laughing because someone else is laughing. The director of Saw unless I missed something huge did not intend the violent parts, such as closing face masks etc to be humerous. Watch those things on your own in a dark room and they are scary. There are so many incidents of this happening im surprised some of you guys cant think of more times this has happened

Example2: Red Dragon....an important point in the film and someone lets a baloon up in the air which floats to the ceiling. Whole cinema bursts out laughing for i sh*it you not 5 mins which can be a long time in certain situations.

This kind of thing combined with people having conversations throughout the film, usually people age 18-30 is many things, none of them positive - ignorant, immature, selfish etc etc.

It makes me beleive that the majority of filmgoers in ireland are complete morons, dont get me wrong not in general, but just when it comes to FILM. Ive been travelling around the world for the last year and been to many cinemas in many countries and i havent found the complete ignorance i come across in ireland anywhere (although havent been in the states or UK).

Now there are lots of points in films Ive found funny that other people wouldnt, maybe i dont like the sound of my own laughter but i dont feel the need to constantly laugh out loud, due to the fact i dont want to upset the other people around me, simple courtesy, manners almost.

At the end of the day the word 'ignorance' sums up this whole topic. Ignorance of what the film is trying to portray, ignorance in processing the information, and ignorance towards the other people in the cinema.

simu

yawnstretch wrote:

My guess would be that plenty of girls brought their boyfriends with them to this movie when it just wasn't their kind of movie.

Well, they should learn to say no to their partners or stfu. Cinema is serious stuff! :mad:

Hagar

I'm open to correction on this but as far as I know laughter is what is known as an "interrupted defence mechanism" by psychologists. It's a natural reaction to an incongruous or perhaps threatening situation, such as indirect violence, which we know cannot actually reach us.

Portrayed violence in a movie, if convincing enough, may trigger the reaction in many people. Bear in mind the director is deliberately toying with your emotions. It is wrong to consider this reaction ingnorant. I would even say it's ignorant to do so. It is just people acting as nature intended.

User45701

i dont know certan movies are very funny even tho there ment to be serious havent seen brokeback mountin so dont know but i know that ppl gave out to me and a freind of mine for laughing at theb day after tomorrow when the presdiant was giving his speech at the end

missingtime

I went to see A History of Violence when it came out. It was a 7.30 (or thereabouts) showing so I thought there would be a fairly quiet crowd there.

If anyone has seen the movie it's not exactly a light experience but at the "sex" scenes a bunch of fu(kwits started giggling and laughing.This was repeated whenever a violent scene occured.

I suppose you cant predict peoples reactions to these things.

super_furry

Deleted User wrote:

Example1: Saw - fighting in the film, scene where the long top bit of a toilet is smashed over a guys had, in no way comedy, but most of the cinema (Dunlaoghaire) laughing out loud, most scenes of horror accompanied by laughter.

How can you feel the intensity of a horror film, when idiots throughout the cinema laugh at every possible opportunity - mostly because they think they should be laughing because someone else is laughing. The director of Saw unless I missed something huge did not intend the violent parts, such as closing face masks etc to be humerous. Watch those things on your own in a dark room and they are scary. There are so many incidents of this happening im surprised some of you guys cant think of more times this has happened

Interesting that you mention Saw, because all through this topic I've been thinking of the time I saw it. I'm a bit of a horror film fan, but I laughed through most of the second half of it, mainly because the acting was so bad - especially in the final scene.

If the majority of people in a cinema are laughing, there is usually a very good reason for it. I remember seeing the Exorcist when it was re-released in the cinema's here and there was a similar reaction (not from me, I was engrosed), but from the majority of people who witnessed what they percieved to be an outdated, over-the-top and no longer scary film.

lodgepole

I laughed during the violence in Saw because I find that kind of gore funny. I enjoy the hell out of it. It's not a serious horror film... I winced when I was supposed to wince, I jumped when I supposed to jump and during those over the top bits of violence I broke my arse laughing.

I also laughed at every murder scene in Argento's Sleepless. Fupping hilarious film.

Meet Joe Black was the director's fault. The scene in question was similar in execution as a similar scene in Final Destination. It wasn't in keeping with the tone of the rest of the film (long, dull and boring) and was thus incredibly funny.

The the sex scene in History of Violence was funny. I don't think i'm ruining the film to say that Viggo Mortenson suddenly tearing into a 69 on the screen was one of the more surreal and humouress things i'd seen that day. I presume there wasn't much laughter in the second sex scene?

missingtime

Lodgepole wrote:

I presume there wasn't much laughter in the second sex scene?

They seemed to find the fact that there was a naked hairy arse on screen funny. Hairy arses are funny but it was the fact that they kept laughing, guffawing and elbowing each other.

Vokes

Lodgepole wrote:

I presume there wasn't much laughter in the second sex scene?

Is this the one on the stairs? Lots of ppl laughing at this when I went to see it in UGC.

Kingp35

SofaKing wrote:

Is this the one on the stairs? Lots of ppl laughing at this when I went to see it in UGC.

Yeah I saw it in the UGC as well and there was lots of laughing in at both sex scenes but thats because they were totally unexpected and not needed at all, but thats Cronenberg for you. People laugh when they are uncomfortable, its a natural thing.

Rcuomo

yea in cineworld this evening there was a bit of laughter at some parts in brokeback mountain which were a bit out of place...it seems a bit of immaturity seeping in....

i mean in the part when ledger and gyllenhal meet for the first time after brokeback mountain and have a passionate kiss outside ledger's home - this wasnt lasughed at...it was only when it showed the ledger's wife had seen the kiss that people started laughing...i mean what was that about? if it had of been a heterosexual couple kissing and the man's wife saw it wouldnt have been laughed at, so i thought it was a bit strange...

but i totally agree with the comments about a history of violence...that was just unintentionally hilarious all over the place

Stark

Funnily enough I laughed at that scene at first too even though I thought it was the most heartwrenching bit in the whole movie. There was a certain slapstick "Hah, nabbed!" moment to it if you weren't thinking, like watching a kid being caught masturbating in a crappy teen movie. What was inappropriate was when people continued to laugh while they discussed their fishing trip in front of her! I was just sitting there imagining the absolute pain and cold scalpel through the guts feeling that someone would be experiencing at that point. The way she was just paralysed and couldn't even bring herself to argue was perfectly done.

Davei141

Deleted User wrote:

Example1: Saw - fighting in the film, scene where the long top bit of a toilet is smashed over a guys had, in no way comedy, but most of the cinema (Dunlaoghaire) laughing out loud, most scenes of horror accompanied by laughter.

There is no way saw could of been taken seriously, come on... silly masks, stupid situations, and characters you couldnt give a **** about. Thats what its all about, if people dont like a character they will laugh at their misfortune. Make me like the character, and i wont revel in their misfortune. who's job is that?

How can you feel the intensity of a horror film, when idiots throughout the cinema laugh at every possible opportunity - mostly because they think they should be laughing because someone else is laughing. The director of Saw unless I missed something huge did not intend the violent parts, such as closing face masks etc to be humerous. Watch those things on your own in a dark room and they are scary. There are so many incidents of this happening im surprised some of you guys cant think of more times this has happened

Exactly, some people laughed at the scenes, some winced. Maybe with a bit more effort and less rediculous plots/masks/acting, they would of all winced as intended.

Example2: Red Dragon....an important point in the film and someone lets a baloon up in the air which floats to the ceiling. Whole cinema bursts out laughing for i sh*it you not 5 mins which can be a long time in certain situations.

Thats moronic, i agree.

Now there are lots of points in films Ive found funny that other people wouldnt, maybe i dont like the sound of my own laughter but i dont feel the need to constantly laugh out loud, due to the fact i dont want to upset the other people around me, simple courtesy, manners almost.

Most people are like you, including myself.

At the end of the day the word 'ignorance' sums up this whole topic. Ignorance of what the film is trying to portray, ignorance in processing the information, and ignorance towards the other people in the cinema.

Its not always ignorence, it can also be incompetence from the director/actors ect.

simu wrote:

A lot of people have really dumb attitudes towards homosexuality tbh - they might not be openly homophobic but they still tend to think of homosexuals as freaks rather than normal people with normal emotions or their way of dealing with the idea is laughing about it - maybe this is why they laughed?

I had a feeling this whole thread was going to come down to something like this. People laughed at the heterosexual womans anguish, for reasons unknown, maybe they hated her character, laughed at her naivety, who knows, untill you do, might want to ease up on calling people homophobes because they laugh at a scene.

I totally agree 100% that some idiots laugh at absolutely anything at the wrong time, and it gets incredibly annoying, but i cant help but feel that theres some ulterior motive to this whole thread. I mean, does this thread exist because people are laughing at a serious film with a serious theme, or because people are laughing at a serious film with a serious gay theme?

Davei141

Davei141 wrote:

There is no way saw could of been taken seriously, come on... silly masks, stupid situations, and characters you couldnt give a **** about. Thats what its all about, if people dont like a character they will laugh at their misfortune. Make me like the character, and i wont revel in their misfortune. who's job is that?

Well we'll have to agree to disagree there.......its the same as any horror film, youve got to let certain things go. The Omen for example might be a bit unbeleivebale in parts but if you start thinking like that the whole film gets ruined for you. Getting the best out of horror films hasa lot to do with your frame of mind goin into the film. I think the director did a very good job on the first one (Saw)



Exactly, some people laughed at the scenes, some winced. Maybe with a bit more effort and less rediculous plots/masks/acting, they would of all winced as intended.

There are many 'unbeleivable' situations in many films, but if everyone laughed at every scene that is unlikely to be reality 90% of films would be comedies. The masks I thought were clever and horrible....yes far fetched but scary at the same time if you let them be



Its not always ignorence, it can also be incompetence from the director/actors ect.

It can be in some situations, but surely not the majority of the time - your talking about filmgoers who no nothing about directing, and most likely wouldnt notice any difference either way

Agent Orange

I don't mind inappropriate laughing too much. But I see red when it's deliberately obnoxious and unwarranted by what's going on onscreen.

I had waited years to see 'Land of the Dead' in the cinema, and I saw it in a small cinema with a packed audience. It was completely ruined by a row of guys who pissed themselves laughing whenever there was some gore (i.e. half the movie). It's really put me off going to the cinema, at least for horror movies and films made with some degree of subtlety or understatement.

Basically, people are morons; movie audiences moreso.

tSubh Dearg

The opposite thing happened to me. Myself and my gentlemen friend went to see The Libertine in Cineworld and nobody laughed at the funny bits.

Now this film has a lot of black humour and dry wit in it and was very funny in it's own way. However, we were the only ones laughing at some quite funny scenes, whereas the audience laughed at parts that weren't funny at all or that were more slap stick humour.

Maybe we were wrong and were ruining serious bits for the rest of the audience but I suspect it was that a lot of people just didn't get the humour of the film.

kaimera

I'm an idiot.

I'm prolly one of those folk who'd laugh at the most inappropriate scene [usually horror || death].
Then again, I did pay money to be entertained and what entertainment I get from the movie is my own.

Roar

i can remember the funniest time was when meself and the missus went to see vertical limit, and at the start Chris o'donnell and his old man are climbing a mountain, and the opld man cuts his rope to keep his son alive, or something.

anyway the old fella falls down the mountain to his doom and crashes to the ground, and i started laughing hysterically. the only one in the cinema. people turned around to give me looks and i got an elbow in the ribs too. still makes me chuckle i have to say.

another time was at the the matrix revoutions.. when the end credits came up i laughed and said aloud "what the fcuk was that??", to which some guy responded "i have no fcuking idea"..

TerrorFirmer

SofaKing wrote:

Is this the one on the stairs? Lots of ppl laughing at this when I went to see it in UGC.

Yeah, same here, Eye in Galway. The first scene was ott, but I wasn't laughing, you could argue it's supposed to emphasize the relationship etc etc, a little graphic but nonetheless.....

However the second one was not only ott, it was absolutely random and served absolutely no point to the story. The randomness and sheer Eh, whats going on here? aspect had me and my friend laughing. But as someone said thats definately Cronenberg for you. Crash, anyone....?

Roar, agreed alot of people laugh at different parts in movies, but anybody who "Laughs out loud" at a scene in which somebody dies to save their children, is just an idiot. Firstly, its not a scene open to general interperation like the scene originally being discussed in the thread, nor would 99% of people find it funny. It's a simple scene where a man falls to his death. End of. Nothing more to it.

The fact that you also seem proud of both this fact and your public announcment after the Matrix makes me tend to agree with Agent Orange. Some people really have no respect for everyone else that has paid to see a movie.