South Dublin girl goes overboard on cruise liner in the Caribean.

Binomate

http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0106/mexico.html

Very sad. Driving back from dropping my brother off to a party I saw a line of people with hugh buquets of flowers to place outside the girls driveway. They must have been friends of her or school mates or something. Did anyone know the girl?

SpAcEd OuT

4th year in beaufort terenure according to my younger brother.

Creamy Goodness

aye heard it on the news there as i was driving home from work (only time i listen to the radio).

very sad.

LiamD

She's in my friend's class.All the girls are finding it very hard to take.Obviously we are all clinging onto hope that she is still alive but it is hard for them having no definite answers.They don't know whether to be remembering her or waiting for her return.It really hasn't hit them yet, because they are trying not to think of her being dead.Can you blame them?

We all hope and pray that she will come home safely, however unlikely it may seem now.

Binomate

The film 'Open Water' was just on the other night. It really brings a sense of how horrible it would be to actually be drifting about in the sea in the middle of nowhere, provided she wasn't knocked unconcious by the fall. Horrible way to go. Then there is the probability of sharks attacking her. I supose there is still hope that she might be found.

Supercell

Very sad, hope her death was quick if she did fall overboard.
Hope she is found so that the people that love her get closure.

Sad waste of a life.

dr zoidberg

That's terrible. Especially for the family, not knowing whether she's alive or not.

Binomate

There's a candle light vigil outside her house at the minute.

embraer170

A truly tragic story, my prayers are with the family.

That's terrible. Especially for the family, not knowing whether she's alive or not.

I think the answer to that is pretty clear. It's unlikely you'll even survive the impact with the water from 40-50m not a mind anymore.

Without wanting to be insensitive, I will say it's pretty hard to just fall off a cruise.

SpAcEd OuT

Binomate wrote:

The film 'Open Water' was just on the other night. It really brings a sense of how horrible it would be to actually be drifting about in the sea in the middle of nowhere, provided she wasn't knocked unconcious by the fall. Horrible way to go.

whats worse is she would've been on her own as well

terrifying expirience.

LiamD

What can you say to that except accidents happen?

MrJoeSoap

Tragic. Thoughts are with the family and friends.

ST*

Her family are probably distraught.

*really dont mean this in an insensitive way but*
I wonder what happened just before she fell over...?
At her age I know I was sneaking a few drinks - could that have been an element here?

In her picture, which I would imagine is recent enough, she seemed happy enough, I doubt very much she took her own life..

MrJoeSoap

Shock_treatment wrote:

Her family are probably distraught.

*really dont mean this in an insensitive way but*
I wonder what happened just before she fell over...?
At her age I know I was sneaking a few drinks - could that have been an element here?

In her picture, which I would imagine is recent enough, she seemed happy enough, I doubt very much she took her own life..

Not even really worth discussing tbh.

ST*

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Not even really worth discussing tbh.

When something tragic like this occurs, I automatically think of what their last moments most have been like.
Only then, I can only begin to imagine what it must be like for the family.

I think her family will be thinking about her last moments alot tbh..

Sparky

aye my sisters friends knew her well, but there seems to be 2 storys going around.

dr zoidberg

embraer170 wrote:

I think the answer to that is pretty clear. It's unlikely you'll even survive the impact with the water from 40-50m not a mind anymore.

Yeah but a grieving person will hold on to any last slim hope. There are people who have been missing twenty+ years, and their family can't get closure and still have a small bit of hope. Granted going missing is a tad different to going overboard.

embraer170

Interesting link:
http://www.cruiseserver.net/travelpage/other/man_overboard.asp

Mentions one person who was rescued after 18 hours.

Shock_treatment wrote:

At her age I know I was sneaking a few drinks - could that have been an element here?

Given the cruise started in the US I would say that is pretty unlikely.

TerrorFirmer

What's the full story? She fell overboard and no-one noticed? Or what?

Awful thing to happen.

arac

I would imagine it to be highly unlikely she survived the impact of the fall, that cruise ship looked huge
Ar Dheis Dé go raibh a anam

MrJoeSoap

http://www.irishexaminer.com/pport/web/ireland/Full_Story/did-sgmEKKTz4vGMYsgTbBP-2fa91M.asp

ronbyrne2005

anyone hear the interview with her friends on the radio ? very very posh.she was with her younger sister so i doubt she was drinking.

ST*

embraer170 wrote:

Given the cruise started in the US I would say that is pretty unlikely.

Assumably you mean that it wouldnt be sold to her because she wasnt 21?
Well she was 15, I never meant that she had bought it herself- was just a theory anyway.

The two stories I've read so far are that she was on her way back to her room when she went over board, and the second was that she was playing with her sister on deck when she fell over.

Imagine bringing up a child to the age of 15 only to have her taken away from you. I would crack up.

MrJoeSoap

ronbyrne2005 wrote:

anyone hear the interview with her friends on the radio ? very very posh.she was with her younger sister so i doubt she was drinking.

Her father is a millionaire, if the Evening Herald is to be believed.

Binomate

Actually I wouldn't put it past them. Looking at how much some of the houses are going for on fortfield road these days and their house isn't exactly the smallest on the road. A million sounds right.

Litcagral

Binomate wrote:

Actually I wouldn't put it past them. Looking at how much some of the houses are going for on fortfield road these days and their house isn't exactly the smallest on the road. A million sounds right.

What's the relevance of her family's wealth or lack of it?

Binomate

Ask the Evening Herald. I'm just replying to MrJoeSoap.

ronbyrne2005

the families wealth isnt relevant and the herald prints sensationalist tripe but this thread is just to discuss the whole incident and not just to do the usual thing of saying "oh what a tragedy" "god love her" and all the usual banal condolences.obviously everyone feels sorry for the girl and her family so theres no need to post such cliches

Heyes

Litcagral wrote:

What's the relevance of her family's wealth or lack of it?

My thoughts exactly. A family may have lost there daughter, can we please be a bit more sensitive about it, it appears to be pretty clear that there are friends of her s and friends of friends etc reading this, so a bit of sensitivity would be nice.

LiamD

IS there really any need for any discussion at all?Already people are starting to pass around stories, I've heard three and really no-one knows the truth.I think we should leave this topic at that.Please.It doesn't matter what happened.

shuushh

what is insensitive about mentioning her father being a millionaire ? and attempting to judge someones mental state from a single photograph is one of the more ludicrous things I've seen on boards

id agree with closing the thread until we know the truth of the matter

xha1r

I do really hope she returns.

embraer170

There are a good few stories on her if you use Google news.

Apparently sister went to tell the parents who then contacted the captain to turn the ship around. Took 10 minutes. The ship stayed searching for 5 hours before continuing on to Cozumel (island where Kirsty McCaul was killed a few years ago).

I again hate saying but you don't just fall off a cruise ship. The playing with her sister story sounds quite plausible.

Mexico is a hard hard country for this to happen in and my thoughts are with the parents and sister.

omb0wyn5ehpij9

A friend of mine from my old job's little sister was in her class, apparently there was news crews outside the school all day yesterday, which i personally think isnt right at all

Sauron

^^

Aye, the media are vultures when it comes to something like this. They really milk it for all it's worth. I saw them interviewing what looked to be some second years on the matter, I've really grown tired of the sky news-esque tragedy reporting that we see nowadays.

It would have been completely unexpected. The location and the nature of her disapearance must have made it incredibly hard to contemplate on top of everything else. That area of water is infested with sharks and barracudas afaik, so regardless of the initial impact of the fall, and the size of the ocean, her chances of survival are tragically bleak.

Incredibly sad and not the kind of thing that this class issue, as in the Evening Herald, should interfere with. Tactless imo.

johnnyrotten

xha1r wrote:

I do really hope she returns.

WTF? She fell off a cruise liner into the sea, 20 miles from land!

Binomate

johnnyrotten wrote:

WTF? She fell off a cruise liner into the sea, 20 miles from land!

... at night, possibly drunk, in shark infested waters.

embraer170

That area of water is infested with sharks and barracudas afaik, so regardless of the initial impact of the fall, and the size of the ocean, her chances of survival are tragically bleak.

I don't have any illusions about her chances of survival but I think suggesting she might be attacked by sharks or barracudas is ridiculous.

My sympathy is with her family.I've lost a close friend to a stupid accident on a quad last summer.This will have a big impact on her school year.A lot of people wont be able to put the event behind them.

Binomate

embraer170 wrote:

I don't have any illusions about her chances of survival but I think suggesting she might be attacked by sharks or barracudas is ridiculous.

It's not rediculous at all. Most of the sailors who were stranded at sea after their ships sank were eaten by sharks during World War 2, in the Pacific Ocean. I've heard horrible stories about people being eaten by sharks. Since she fell from the top of the ship about 50ft, if the impact at all broke the skin sharks would be attracted to her from miles around. If not, I'd give the sharks a couple of hours before they start bumping in to her and taking curious bites.

Cake Fiend

Folks, are you sure it's the best idea to have a graphic discussion on the likelyhood of this girl being eaten by sharks when very possibly her family or friends could be reading?

I know it's no use burying the head in the sand either, but Jesus, bit of tact like.

embraer170

It's not rediculous at all. Most of the sailors who were stranded at sea after their ships sank were eaten by sharks during World War 2, in the Pacific Ocean. I've heard horrible stories about people being eaten by sharks. Since she fell from the top of the ship about 50ft, if the impact at all broke the skin sharks would be attracted to her from miles around. If not, I'd give the sharks a couple of hours before they start bumping in to her and taking curious bites.

The Yucatan coast and Cozumel where this happened is the number diving spot in the world. I don't hear of too many divers being eaten by sharks or barrucadas.

Binomate

embraer170 wrote:

The Yucatan coast and Cozumel where this happened is the number diving spot in the world. I don't hear of too many divers being eaten by sharks or barrucadas.

They're not in the water long enough, and they certainly don't go in to the water with open cuts. Mexico and the Carribean also contain some of the number one spots for shark diving.

Call Me Jimmy

did i miss something? she was with her sister when she fell overboard? how did her sister not see what happened?

Heyes

Sico wrote:

Folks, are you sure it's the best idea to have a graphic discussion on the likelyhood of this girl being eaten by sharks when very possibly her family or friends could be reading?

I know it's no use burying the head in the sand either, but Jesus, bit of tact like.

I 100% Agree, Lads stop going into so much detail, you would not like to read this about one of your friends who was missing. An opinion is not always required on everything. Just think of her family and friends on this occasion

Binomate

Why are we so sure that her family are reading this? Checking up on messagboards is hardly the first thing you do when one of your loved ones falls off a ship. Sometimes the probable truth isn't nice.

ronbyrne2005

agreed , i dont think any close friends or relatives would be reading messageboards at a time like this and even if they were i dont beleive they should be shielded from reality.theres no problem discussing what might have happened.

LovelyHurling

Somebody close this please I think we've gone past condolences

Binomate

I'm sorry if you misread the title of this thread, but it doesn't say girls book of condolences. If you can't handle reality then ignore it.


[Edit] Removed the last segment because I was asked to. Meant no disrespect to the girl or the girls family. The point of it was to rub ir in to the people who seem to be ignoring plausible realities and possibilities in this thread that realities should be discussed.

LiamD

PLEASE STOP!I know for a fact some of her close friends have seen this.They are at this moment laying flowers outside her house.It's hard enough that they've lost a good friend without reading comments from pricks with absolutely no basis suggesting she was drunk.What sort of sickos are on here discussing her getting eaten by sharks?

Please close this thread.It's just not right.

EDIT:After seeing the last post, I think he/she should be banned.It's not even like he was trying to discuss the situation, which is bad enough.He's just trying to be provocative and get a reaction.I hope no-one else who knows her sees this.

Binomate

LiamD wrote:

PLEASE STOP!I know for a fact some of her close friends have seen this.They are at this moment laying flowers outside her house.It's hard enough that they've lost a good friend without reading comments from pricks with absolutely no basis suggesting she was drunk.What sort of sickos are on here discussing her getting eaten by sharks?

Please close this thread.It's just not right.

EDIT:After seeing the last post, I think he/she should be banned.It's not even like he was trying to discuss the situation, which is bad enough.He's just trying to be provocative and get a reaction.I hope no-one who knows her sees this.

So it's not possible at all that she was attacked or eaten by sharks or even that she was drunk because it's not nice?

You take life way too serriously. My last post was directed at the people who can't take a bit of reality. If I'd have known her I'd have accepted reality by now.