Stalls on Henry St.

fischerspooner

Happy christmas. Ok these stalls that set up at this time of year on Henry street and sell the t-shirts and all that other crap. What I want to know is if they are legal or not? Are the handlers paying tax? Are they still claiming the dole?
I think they're not legal, that they don't pay tax, and that yes of course they're getting the dole. The authorities probably just turn a blind eye because the people are inner city dwellers, who have a law unto themselves much like travellers. Can anyone enlighten me?

bennyx_o

If you look at the stalls you'll see they (should) have a certificate saying they're allowed to sell there forthe month of December.

Siogfinsceal

who cares? good stuff at a cheap price so im happy

drdre

ah guys leave them alone,there just trying to make a living.:D we are benifiting of getting cheap stuff

fischerspooner

yeah but I don't understand why we can't claim the dole and work and they can. "Just trying to earn a living" my ass, we're all just trying to do that, most of us within the law and paying tax.

connundrum

They are a bit annoying with the shouting etc (rrrrdddapping paaaper, 2 per 2 eeeuuurrdoo) but they do provide a service. I mean you tell me what shop is going to be honest enough to sell their goods at anything less than a 40% mark up coming up to Christmas?! 4 boxes of Roses for €10, whereas in a Spar its 2 boxes for €12.90 - who wins, YOU DECIDE!

As for the legality of it, I'm pretty sure they have to have a licence to have the stand there, but everyone knows that most of the stuff they're selling is well dodgy. Did ya ever see them packing up their stuff when a guard walks by?!

Did anyone see the punching puppets outside Roaches Stores?! Ha ha ha, well impressed by them, Bush v Bin Ladin and Saddam.. very good

spiderlegs

Ah who cares whether they're legal.Stalls on henry street are like the late late toy show.They are an institution in themselves!! Plus I like getting cheap chocolate...:rolleyes:

fischerspooner

Ok so you're all saying it's ok to work and not claim tax and claim the dole?

gary the great

They get a casual trading licence from Dublin City COuncil, pay a fee and are inspected by the Garda and environmental health officers from Dublin City council.
The licence is supposed to be displayed but most dont bother with it.

JohnCleary

fischerspooner wrote:

Happy christmas. Ok these stalls that set up at this time of year on Henry street and sell the t-shirts and all that other crap. What I want to know is if they are legal or not? Are the handlers paying tax? Are they still claiming the dole?
I think they're not legal, that they don't pay tax, and that yes of course they're getting the dole. The authorities probably just turn a blind eye because the people are inner city dwellers, who have a law unto themselves much like travellers. Can anyone enlighten me?

stfu n00b

fischerspooner

what the hell is that supposed to mean? Care to ellaborate?

JohnCleary

fischerspooner wrote:

what the hell is that supposed to mean? Care to ellaborate?

It means SHUT THE FCUK UP and get a life

jaggeh

fischerspooner wrote:

Happy christmas. Ok these stalls that set up at this time of year on Henry street and sell the t-shirts and all that other crap. What I want to know is if they are legal or not? Are the handlers paying tax? Are they still claiming the dole?
I think they're not legal, that they don't pay tax, and that yes of course they're getting the dole. The authorities probably just turn a blind eye because the people are inner city dwellers, who have a law unto themselves much like travellers. Can anyone enlighten me?

got any proof to back up these wild claims of tax dodging dole monkies?

subway

are you angry at dole spongers or inner city folk or what?
which "inner city dwelers" have a law unto themselves?

has daddy let you go into town on your own yet?
get off your high horse ffs.

i dont care what you posted.
your lovely little rattle about the inner city tells me all i need to know.

godtabh

It looks to me that some of the stuff they sell is conterfit. It may or may not be but does any one check up on this side of things?

They seem to be able to sell anything legit or not.

Somnus

They are legal, I've seen people putting a license up on their stalls in the mornings

yossarin

connundrum wrote:

rrrrdddapping paaaper, 2 per 2 eeeuuurrdoo

hold on. that doesn't rhyme at all. and is a significant markup on five for 50.

Gazza22

Well it's not the tax issue i would question them on....probably what some of them are selling that's technically not available for everyone to see!

I was walking past one last week when one of the stall owners makes a big fuss and starts saying to the stall holder beside her to move her "stuff" because Moore St. is being raided. So she took a bag from beneath her own stall and another from the stall beside her and proceeded down the road....

Hmmm i was curious to what was in the bags! I doubt it was anything like drugs or anything like that though it was maybe illegal cigarettes, drink and the like

fischerspooner

I have no proof that they don't pay tax or get the dole, but I would put my life on it that they don't. And how come one of the previous posters is allowed to verbally abuse me with foul language and I've been banned from the fitness forum for calling a bodybuilder that doesn't use this site a tw@t!!!

LegacyUser

fischerspooner wrote:

I think they're not legal, that they don't pay tax, and that yes of course they're getting the dole. The authorities probably just turn a blind eye because the people are inner city dwellers, who have a law unto themselves much like travellers. Can anyone enlighten me?

Most of them, although I doubt if its all of them, are legal, you need to apply for a license before you can set up, and they should display this license somewhere on the stall.
As to whether they are claiming the dole, well, all I know is that you can earn under a certain amount and still claim the dole, and after you go over that amount, there is another cut off mark that enables you to claim part of the dole.
I couldn't tell if if they are claiming full dole payments or not, but I don't think they are legally allowed to.

fly_agaric

subway wrote:

are you angry at dole spongers or inner city folk or what?

LOL.
Yes, he is.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=299704

Prefacing his little rant about the stalls with

fischerspooner wrote:

Happy christmas.

made it even funnier!

Miguel_Sanchez

It's pretty damn judgemental to just assume that because someone works on a stall that they're automatically claiming the dole. Maybe some of them are, maybe some of them aren't. As was already stated you can quite legally work and claim part dole.

Seems like you're well and truly insulated in your cushy middleclass existence.

fischerspooner

I was in Hamburg at the weekend, all over the city centre they have little christmas stalls selling mulled wine, crepes, pastries etc. All very christmassy. What do we get? Junkies selling celtic t-shirts and lighters. Woohoo.

subway

are you even living in dublin?
ffs go into town and look around,
theres plenty of pretentious fun to be had at the ifsc christam market.

homeOwner

fischerspooner wrote:

I was in Hamburg at the weekend, all over the city centre they have little christmas stalls selling mulled wine, crepes, pastries etc. All very christmassy. What do we get? Junkies selling celtic t-shirts and lighters. Woohoo.

Maybe because Hanburg was rebuilt after WWII so they probably planned it well and moved social housing further out? (I've never been to hamburg btw so have no clue what it looks like)

Dublin is an old city and low- or no- income families have been living in the inner city for generations....hence knackers and old dears selling cheap tat on Henry street.

BadAcidStudios

while in hamburg you must have also seen the huge amount of Junkies/drunks and blatant prostitution and sex shops/ stripclubs everywhere.
Im over there every 2nd weekend and yes the christmas markets are cool but as someone said before we too have had a german christmas market behind the ifsc for a few weeks. Sadly it was being packed up today as i was on the way work.
This city is where the Inner city people you talk about live. We come here to work and shop everyday but they live here. Henry Street is their Street.


Im sure you were having lots of fun wearing a little woollen hat and mittins on your hands as you skipped around the christmas wonderland in hamburg but believe me, i could should you many "Henry Streets" in hamburg.



I love Hamburg by the way

fischerspooner

yes hamburg is a class city. So it takes an allied bombing campaign to get knackers out of the inner city? hmmmmmm

jaggeh

another generalisation that i dont like, in march ill have been living in the city center for 2 years..... does that make me a junky/tax dodger/dole monkey?

seriously grow up. How about next time you go to hamburg you stay there.

fischerspooner

well you're not from the city centre are you? You have to work to pay your rent I presume?

Pal

fischerspooner wrote:

I was in Hamburg at the weekend, all over the city centre they have little christmas stalls selling mulled wine, crepes, pastries etc. All very christmassy. What do we get? Junkies selling celtic t-shirts and lighters. Woohoo.

Priceless. LOL

connundrum

yossarin wrote:

hold on. that doesn't rhyme at all. and is a significant markup on five for 50.

Sorry, when did we become the poetry police??
Thats what Iheard walkin down Grafton street yesterday anyway.. the mark up must be greater cos of the location.. ey ey! I presume it was rolls of wrapping paper she was selling, but lets not quibble over the details.

*I win. end of

WhiteWashMan

JohnCleary wrote:

stfu n00b

banned n00b

Terry

someone can ban me for this if they feel the need, but this guy is a complete ****ing wanker. poor you, having to look at poor people all day. it really must upset you. so what if htese people are making a bit of extra money in the run up to christmas. who the hell are you to judge them?
my father grew up in the inner city and never resorted to drug use or any illegal activities, nor did his brothers and sisters or any of their children.
there are scummy junkies and dole scroungers in every town in the country. there just happens to be more of them in Dublin because it's a city. get off your ****ing high horse and take a look at yourself. you're the scummiest person of all the one who looks down on others. i hope you never find yourself in need of money, you obviously have no idea what it's like to be poor.

connundrum

julep wrote:

someone can ban me for this if they feel the need, but this guy is a complete ****ing wanker. poor you, having to look at poor people all day. it really must upset you. so what if htese people are making a bit of extra money in the run up to christmas. who the hell are you to judge them?
my father grew up in the inner city and never resorted to drug use or any illegal activities, nor did his brothers and sisters or any of their children.
there are scummy junkies and dole scroungers in every town in the country. there just happens to be more of them in Dublin because it's a city. get off your ****ing high horse and take a look at yourself. you're the scummiest person of all the one who looks down on others. i hope you never find yourself in need of money, you obviously have no idea what it's like to be poor.

who are you on about?

Terry

the op

LegacyUser

connundrum wrote:

who are you on about?

The OP, who seems to have something against those who dwell in Dublins City Centre, and trys to mask his distaste for such people by not complaining about them directly, but whinging about dole schammers and stall workers.

WhiteWashMan

sillysausage wrote:

The OP, who seems to have something against those who dwell in Dublins City Centre, and trys to mask his distaste for such people by not complaining about them directly, but whinging about dole schammers and stall workers.

so what?
i believe he is allowed to give his opinion. if you dont agree with it, then fine.
see, no problem.....

WhiteWashMan

julep wrote:

someone can ban me for this if they feel the need, but this guy is a complete ****ing wanker..

banned.

Terry

a lot of what i wrote was in reference to his posts in another thread.

LegacyUser

WhiteWashMan wrote:

so what?
i believe he is allowed to give his opinion. if you dont agree with it, then fine.
see, no problem.....

I know, there is no problem, I was summing up the jist of the thread for connundrum.

connundrum

Oh right, thanks. Was only catching bits of it..

adonis

i have to agree with the OP on this one..
i was on moore and henry street today, and some of those traders have absolutely no manners. i had to tell one of them, after he pushed me, that he should develop some manners like a civilised person and not a barbaric oaf.

OsamaBinLaden

you agree that they are illegal because one of them pushed you or you agree because, like the OP, you seem to have a blinkered view on society?

just an observation.

adonis

is that really you osama?
say it aint so

i dont have a blinkered view on society...im quite the open minded type actually..
i just think manners should apply to everyone, thats all. Its a basic principal of society.
I dont care about the legality of some stalls on henry street, they are way over my head.

OsamaBinLaden

adonis wrote:

is that really you osama?
say it aint so

yep. i recently had a wireless modem installed here in the afghan hills.

i dont have a blinkered view on society...im quite the open minded type actually..
i just think manners should apply to everyone, thats all. Its a basic principal of society.
I dont care about the legality of some stalls on henry street, they are way over my head.

i agree with you on the manners thing. it's something that should be instilled in everyone from the moment they are born. unfortunately that is not always the case.
as for the stalls on henry street; well, i personally don't have a problem with them. dude's gotta make a living some way or another. who are we to judge on their legality? isn't that for the gardai to look into?

i remember back in the late 80's/early 90's the social welfare would give dole rats £50 for every person they turned in. perhaps the OP would like to partake in this lucrative oppotunity. all they have to do is walk up henry street and take note of the names on the licenses and then call up one of the thousands* of inner city welfare offices and rat up all the stall holders.

*there must be thousands. nobody living in the inner city has ever had a job or ever will. i mean, look at those people. they're the scum of the earth. nobody would give them a job, even if they wanted one, which they obviously don't.



do i need to mention that the last two paragraphs are sarcastic?

fischerspooner

unfortunately your sarcasm is entirely true

OsamaBinLaden

so you're gonna rat them out?
sweet. let us know how that works out and how much money you get.

fischerspooner

no I'm going to join the part-time gardaí and bate them around the place

Flashling

Wow. Someone's a giant stereotyper. First, you generalise inner city people (which is silly, because there are alot of very expensive apartments in there) then you move onto the police? I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, but until you have met and gotten to know all the people you're lumping in under your stereotypes, your opinion is predjudiced and unimformed. So, even if what they're doing isn't strictly legal, and you don't know that it isn't, who's it hurting? Is your sense of morality offended? Will you now go out and campaign against jaywalking? Or will you deal with it, and move on, have a nice Christmas, and stop posting judgemental comments and adding to the social problems in our country with your lack of tolerence?

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

adonis wrote:

i had to tell one of them that he should develop some manners like a civilised person and not a barbaric oaf.

i'd love to have seen you say that! very formal language!

sure, everyone bumps into everyone walking along the streets. in fact you probably get bumped more on grafton street than henry street

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

btw just down in henry street recently for the first time in ages - it really looks good with the new ilac centre now, way more choice than on grafton street.