Taekwondo Grading

Mist

Hey does anyone know where i can find a diagram or video or anything showing the 8th kup World Taekwondo Federation patterns?

There is no class in the university until the end of january due to exams so id like to start learning the patterns now.

Thanks

pma-ire

Mist wrote:

Hey does anyone know where i can find a diagram or video or anything showing the 8th kup World Taekwondo Federation patterns?

There is no class in the university until the end of january due to exams so id like to start learning the patterns now.

Thanks

You might find them on here??

http://www.natkd.com/tkd_forms.htm

Repli

Be careful learning patterns from videos, because if you are doing something wrong, you won't know and will get into a habit of doing it! I used to learn from videos and had this problem.. also if you haven't trained as an 8th kup yet there will be moves in it you don't know like the first 4 moves in that pattern involve knife hand strikes.. the rest of it is pretty easy though, just high punches, blocks, etc.. Just my 2 centeroonies

memphis

Good luck with the grading, but as repli said, be careful learning from a movie clip. As you will find (as I have anyway) that some movements vary from club to club, and what your club teaches may not be the exact way the tape does it.

Anyway, would like to add, I passed my grading in ITF TKD back in late November so am now a blue tip!

pma-ire

memphis wrote:

Anyway, would like to add, I passed my grading in ITF TKD back in late November so am now a blue tip!

I know you sweated bricks in the lead up to this one! But well done!

rainbow kirby

memphis wrote:

Anyway, would like to add, I passed my grading in ITF TKD back in late November so am now a blue tip!

*high-fives*
Well done!

memphis

Thanks all!!!! Was a wee bit nervous of it ok, but at the end of the day, I got the grade.

Tim_Murphy

well done memphis. But I wouldn't worry too much about coloured belt grading, they're fairly hard to fail.

memphis

Jaysus, thanks for the vote of confidence, really know how to make a man feel good!!!! But yeah, I understand what your saying, its BB and up that are the real hard earners.

pma-ire

memphis wrote:

Jaysus, thanks for the vote of confidence, really know how to make a man feel good!!!! But yeah, I understand what your saying, its BB and up that are the real hard earners.

Well thats not all that hard either TBH

But we've already had that conversation

dudara

Don't rain on our parades, eh ;D

I just recently got ITF red belt and black is a year away with hard training. I'm really looking forward to the years work

Well done Memphis

pma-ire

dudara wrote:

Don't rain on our parades, eh ;D

I just recently got ITF red belt and black is a year away with hard training. I'm really looking forward to the years work

Hey you go girl

I worked my B0ll0cks off for my 1st dan!!

It was worth 4 times the quality of my 2nd dan!

So I'm sure you will put in 100% and it will be your best grading ever!!!

memphis

dudara wrote:

Don't rain on our parades, eh ;D

I just recently got ITF red belt and black is a year away with hard training. I'm really looking forward to the years work

Well done Memphis

Thanks Dudara, and congrats to you on getting Red belt. fair play. have a good year of training now, and you'll be a Dan before ya know it!! Reckon at the rate I'm going I'm about another 2 and a half years to go before I grade for my 1st dan, but I am sure as hell gonna stick at it til then!!!

Mist

I know the knife hand strikes and blocks already so that should be ok.

The help is much appreciated guys, thanks ;-)

Clive

If anybody wants a blackbelt, I'll sell you one for €50, which will take all the nervousness out of gradings.

memphis

Clive wrote:

If anybody wants a blackbelt, I'll sell you one for €50, which will take all the nervousness out of gradings.

A Black Belt should not be bought, it should be earned!

You and I know that Clive. Shame on you for suggesting such a thing!!

Cake Fiend

memphis wrote:

A Black Belt should not be bought, it should be earned!

That's what I told the

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in the martial arts store, but he still demanded a fiver from me :mad:

Capitalist pig-dog...

columok

If anybody wants a blackbelt, I'll sell you one for €50, which will take all the nervousness out of gradings.

Clive you should set up a McDojo.

ScaldiJitsu. You could be really scaldy. Gradings outside redz

Clive

memphis wrote:

A Black Belt should not be bought, it should be earned!

You and I know that Clive. Shame on you for suggesting such a thing!!

Says who? Who gets to define "earning"?

ColumOK - scaldyjitsu black belt - "'cos ya know wha' dat means..."

Cabelo

I'll define it right now...

Le Rack

Sico wrote:

That's what I told the

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in the martial arts store, but he still demanded a fiver from me :mad:

Capitalist pig-dog...

Do have to buy your own belts? We get them as the thingy for passing our grading, if ya know wat I mean....

OP, I don't know if it will of any use to you but on the AIMAA website you can get videos of almost anyhting, but if you're a different association they might not be too much help...

Repli

Le Rack wrote:

Do have to buy your own belts? We get them as the thingy for passing our grading, if ya know wat I mean....

Same here - they are included in the price you pay for the grading..

Kev

Repli wrote:

Same here - they are included in the price you pay for the grading..

If you fail do you get the price of the belt back ?

Repli

I wouldn't know I've never failed :v:

dlofnep

Why would you pay to grade? It's something you earn. It's an insult to say "Oh yeah, I know you've earned that - But you aint getting it unless you pay us 99.99 including tax".

Repli

In fairness our gradings are on Sunday when there's no TKD and the instructors/board have to spend the whole day on their own watch there.. I know some of the clubs have the gradings when class time is supposed to be.. In that case it would probably be unfair to charge extra for it..

columok

Clive... KOMRADES!

pma-ire

Repli wrote:

In fairness our gradings are on Sunday when there's no TKD and the instructors/board have to spend the whole day on their own watch there.. I know some of the clubs have the gradings when class time is supposed to be.. In that case it would probably be unfair to charge extra for it..

So what is the going rate for gradings these days??

Most grading fees are split as profit between the instructor, the examiner and the assoication after the hall is paid for! Many clubs don't get you a belt for passing unless it's your BB. And a lot don't even give out certs?

So no overheads! Just easy cash :v:

Though with the price of insurance these days an instructor with a small club will have to claw back much of the cost of a clubs insurance fee over the year.

grosser

twenty euro!i think thats pretty reasonable.

Tim_Murphy

Nobody ever gave me any belt after the dan gradings I did! that said they only cost €130 each so that would explain it!:rolleyes:

Why would you pay to grade?

Why wouldn't you?

dlofnep

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Nobody ever gave me any belt after the dan gradings I did! that said they only cost €130 each so that would explain it!:rolleyes:

Why wouldn't you?

Pay for something that you earn? I don't see the logic.

Tim_Murphy

It's something you are tested on, you are charged for the test. You shouldn't try to think of it in a BJJ type context where people are given grades. BJJ grades are based on performance so this is possible, the structure of TKD grades is not based on performance in the same type of way.

Not sure why I'm arguing on the side of grading TBH, I'm not a believer in them at all.

dlofnep

Tim_Murphy wrote:

It's something you are tested on, you are charged for the test. You shouldn't try to think of it in a BJJ type context where people are given grades. BJJ grades are based on performance so this is possible, the structure of TKD grades is not based on performance in the same type of way.

Not sure why I'm arguing on the side of grading TBH, I'm not a believer in them at all.

A point. Still, I never understood why some representative has to come for the gradings. Why don't they just allow a black belt to grade? This way, they could do it in class and not have to fork out x amount for some guy to come and grade a bunch of katas and what not.

columok

I don't think its a major issue for clubs to charge small fees for gradings. They need sources of revenue and its one to be honest. When clubs start charging thousands for black belts then its a bit ridiculous.

columok

then again, boxing clubs seem to do fine with out this source of revenue.

Boxing clubs get governmental funding.

Roper

A lot of places charge incrementally. ie. the higher you go the more expensive it is. So you see you have them locked in and they're more likely to pay a higher cost if they're going for a higher grade even though the overheads don't grow one bit. That's exploitation IMO

I can only speak for our place, both coaches are present, you grade, you get your belt and a cert and it costs €25 whether you're going for yellow, magenta, camoflague or... I'm joking there, but regardless of grade the cost is €25.

I wouldn't be too quick to jump on places for charging a reasonable rate for such a service dlofnep. A lot of places wouldn't exist were it not for the filthy lucre at the end of it all, and most of these places do good work in MA. Surely it's not a shock to you to hear that people do things for profit, even when they do it for the love as well?

TwoKingMick

governmental funding? That doesn't sound right.

columok

governmental

adj 1: of or relating to the governing authorities; "the core of a governmental system"; "public confidence and governmental morale" 2: dealing with the affairs or structure of government or politics or the state; "governmental policy"

Therefore...

governmental funding : funding of or relating to the governing authorities which in this case would be the Irish Sports Council AFAIK

columok

Columok - I assume you mean the IABA receives funding from the "government" and this some how makes it's way to the boxing clubs. If we do take this as been true, I'll just make the additional point Muay Thai clubs seem to do fine without either sources of income. And by "do fine" I mean get by.

I'm not sure how MT clubs work their finances but when I was training in Aikido the class rates (I was a student) were very reasonable -maybe €2 a class and it was €15 for a grading. I had no issue with it and accepted that clubs need revenues from various sources. It was in no way excessive.

So maybe PaddyC or Paul Kelly could show how MT clubs work their finances without funding.

columok

What did I take out of context?

Le Rack

Repli wrote:

In fairness our gradings are on Sunday when there's no TKD and the instructors/board have to spend the whole day on their own watch there.. I know some of the clubs have the gradings when class time is supposed to be.. In that case it would probably be unfair to charge extra for it..

WE have gradings on days that suit and the cost depends what belt you're going for, mostly it's €20-€30 but for the high grades it's €56... My instructors have five schools around the county, overall the biggest school in the country I think... but you have to grade under the head guys like, whom here in my association are Master Darcy and Mr./Master Byrnes (he went for his masters lately). The money cover's the hall, insurance, payment of the instructors and then the rest goes into the school fund, afaik.

dudara

E20 to grade in the INTA, or at least in the Cork clubs, and that includes your belt when you pass. Certs are presented on the solid colour belts only. Most gradings are held outside regular class times, so I don't object to a small fee to cover costs and to also add a few quid to the club coffers.

dlofnep

dlofnep wrote:

A point. Still, I never understood why some representative has to come for the gradings. Why don't they just allow a black belt to grade? This way, they could do it in class and not have to fork out x amount for some guy to come and grade a bunch of katas and what not.

I'm guessing it's a lot easier to maintain consistency in standards, if you have the gradings conducted, by the same few people in the same way, everytime.

pma-ire

dlofnep wrote:

A point. Still, I never understood why some representative has to come for the gradings. Why don't they just allow a black belt to grade? This way, they could do it in class and not have to fork out x amount for some guy to come and grade a bunch of katas and what not.

there is nothing stopping an instructor grading their own students the invited examiner is usually done by assoications.

if you are stuck in a situation where you have no supporting BB's then the rule that you can grade people up to two grades below you can apply. the AMA will back any gradings done in this manner by the members. also some other MA groups.

Roper

Every time I hear the word "standards" in relation to taekwondo gradings I have a little chuckle. There's simply no such thing.





Cue lots of people replying with "there is in my association!"

pma-ire

Roper wrote:

Every time I hear the word "standards" in relation to taekwondo gradings I have a little chuckle. There's simply no such thing.





Cue lots of people replying with "there is in my association!"

Funny but true!

I can't ever remember someone failing a colour belt grading in TKD!!

Though I have seen plenty that should have!!

I have seen people fail 1st dan gradings, my partner on the day of mine did! And boy was he bad!! But it was'int his fault that he was so bad and he was telling me before hand how he was forced into doing the grading by his instructor:rolleyes:

memphis

Have seen a few members in my club fail colour gradings, but pasted em then when they repeated it a few weeks after!!! Our grading in Nov was the first time everyone passed 1st time!! Instructor says its cos he raised the "standards".... and perhaps cos we are now ITF.

dudara

We've also had a few fails at colour belts. I also heard that at the last INTA black-belt grading in Dublin, there was a fairly high fail rate.

pma-ire

memphis wrote:

.... and perhaps cos we are now ITF.

Are you trying to wind me up??

pma-ire

dudara wrote:

We've also had a few fails at colour belts. I also heard that at the last INTA black-belt grading in Dublin, there was a fairly high fail rate.

Well if they are now failing people then I hope it's for a good reason!

Really no one should fail a grading as the instructor should only put them forward when they are ready to pass it!!

I've ear-wigged a few instructors getting a b0ll0cking from a Master examiner after a BB grading about the students Pretty funny, and they even begged to have them pass so that they could do better the next time??

memphis

pma-ire wrote:

Are you trying to wind me up??

I donno what you possibly mean cheif!

//goes away whistling quietly.

But no I actually wasn't.... Your just paranoid mate!!! LOL